Guns make us safer, reduce crime, and save us money on prisons.
Universal healthcare makes us healthier, reduces poverty, and saves us money on healthcare.
Everyone is better off with more gun rights. Everyone is better off with universal healthcare. These are objective facts, and if you disagree, you simply don't know any better.
Why do people like you pine to be like other countries? America isn't england or japan or any of the other cocksucking places america is america. We haven't needed good healthcare before why do we need it now? Because spoiled little millennials demand it? If they don't like it do what their ancestors did and emigrate to another country
You know why universal healthcare will destroy us? Waiting in fucking line. What about people who abuse it because its free? Saying something is a fact doesnt make it true.
Dude just 3D print more doctors for all the niggers lmao.
Those who can pay more deserve better healthcare. Those who can’t pay at all deserve no healthcare. What’s wrong with that?
Never economics, huh?
While your goal in life shouldnt be to be like someone else you should try to improve yourself and if improvement means copying someone else then you should do it. The US wouldnt suddenly turn into Sweden if it adopted healthcare, the mentality would still be the same
The difference between the two is having a gun is a right. Having healthcare isn't.
Do we live in the same country?
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If doctors got paid to do stuff and get paid automatically why wouldn't they just charge like $300 a bag for saline or whatever they wanted and make themselves disgustingly rich? They could set their own prices right?
But user, if people could defend themselves, then they wouldn't be terrified and dependent on daddy government to protect them!
Or its because anyone trying to remove a government gibs is committing political suicide. Try beng a politician in the US running on a platform of removing welfare and see how far that gets you.
Except for the UK. And Canada.
>if everyone had a gun, there would be no crime!
Enjoy having your parents insurance until you're 26, before life smacks you on your ass. Wages are stagnant and the price of living keeps going up. Hospitals and insurance agencies set their own prices because they can.
If you're going to contribute to a discussion, apply just a LITTLE more effort, buddy. And try to not get the grease from your pizza rolls on your dad's laptop.
Maybe consider being actually useful to society so you don't have to be so poor?
the government isn't paying for the guns of the gun owners.
If thats what we have to do to get public health care, im willing to make that sacrifice.
Just enjoy your sense of entitlement while it lasts, buddy. Once you have to start paying for shit, it all goes downhill. If you think $1,000 for a simple doctors visit is normal, your warped perception on currency an economics is going to crash harder than your blood sugar after mommy lets you eat too much cake.
oh god yes, i would gladly pay an extra tax to pay to arm the entire US populace and educate them
i'm sure people will flock to the ER for rectal exams if they're free... you'll be first in line yeah?
>wages are stagnant
because they aren’t going up as fast as you entitled leeches want them to? yeah that’s not how it works. if you’re going to tell someone to try harder then you should lead by example
Just a reminder
Universal healthcare, no thanks. They're already almost completely guaranteed to be paid and the entire country is buckling under the cost of healthcare. Let's not make them 100% guaranteed to be paid.
Significantly reduce/cap the time drug companies can have an active patent on a formula. Remove medicaid/medicare except for a pool of funding from those who have voluntarily paid, outlaw health insurance entirely. The cost of healthcare falls.
The solution to inflated healthcare costs is not coming up with new ridiculous ways to pay these costs. It's forcing them down.
That's right. That's exactly what happened to college tuition. And now health insurance. Make legislation that says people MUST purchase a plan, the cost becomes 4-5 times greater. Surprise.
spoken like a kid who doesn't work for a living...
>i have no counter so i’ll just try an insult
>typical lib
If you keep yourself healthy and actually do something worthwhile for a living, $1k for a doctors visit is pretty negligible. Again, get out of your parents basement, shower off the BO and cheeto crumbs, and stop being poor.
"Giving"? I want to know where you think expensive services come from.
i'd hate to shoot someone, but have no problem burning someone to death
where are the rights for us flamethrower guys?
After you
>Again, get out of your parents basement, shower off the BO and cheeto crumbs, and stop being poor.
Your jokes come straight from the middle school lexicon of insults, dude. You more than likely don't have a job, have never paid rent, or even know how to pay a bill. Until you're old enough to sit at a bar, I don't think you can offer any insight on "not being poor."
You sound like exactly like what a 4channer thinks a successful "alpha" sounds like. Lel.
Somehow, even being anonymous, he sounds like a guy with a very punchable face.
Would you pay for a wall if you got public healthcare?
except he never described an alpha. what he said should be obvious to even the most autistic libs out there yet it somehow still triggered you and your little parrot there after you to make boring insults instead of proving his point wrong.
deregulate and watch medicine prices plummet due to more competition
Okay, let's be realistic, banning guns leaves me defenseless against being arrested and put in a hole forever because I refused to give my children hormone blockers or chemically castrate myself because I'm a white male. Or whatever stupid horseshit you people are going to come up with before it's realized that fascism and oppression have returned in a frilly rainbow mask. If you're going to take over I'm going to make you fight for every inch of land with your own human blood.
So basically that's why you're never getting the guns, Germany could decide some absolute horseshit about it's own citizens tomorrow and start putting them in jail with no delay, no time even for a news story to get out to anyone who could disagree with it. No, we at least have to delay you a couple days.
I probably had about 1/2 a mil spent on me from insurance. It was quick, on my schedule, etc.
May e out of pocket came to 1000. Clouding the copay for prescriptions.
I’m ok with the current system.
Also, I don’t pay for health or dental, my job does that.
...anyone else think this guy should have his guns taken away for his obvious psychosis?
How do you get rid of 500mil guns?
They need to be willing to give them up
If anyone is getting triggered, it sounds like you. You don't "prove a point" by claiming how "obvious" your shitty opinion is.
>n-no you
>can’t comprehend that healthy lifestyle and regular income is obvious right way to live
you’re either showing how obviously underage you are or how ridiculously autistic you libs really are
>$500,000 in medical bills
>Only $1,000 for a copay
Either your job has the best insurance around, or you're full of shit. Either way, most businesses don't offer any form of healthcare anymore. Unless you're a desk jockey, you're pretty much paying out of pocket for everything.
Somebody has to make our food, work retail, and do the shit-tier jobs. Call me a bleeding heart for saying so, but I think those people deserve affordable healthcare. Even if it isn't universal healthcare, something needs to be done about the system in order to lower costs. Because you either have people who are completely loaded and don't give a damn about what they spend, or they're poor enough to abuse government programs. I'm not sure what the answer is, but current affairs aren't cutting it.
Well, you don’t have to believe me because it is Yea Forums
I have stage 2 cancer
I also live in Hawaii where it’s illegal to have an employee pay for than 1.5% of their weekly pay towards insurance.
My job pays for top tier of your choice of 2 different providers.
So yeah, say I’m full of shit, but I’m telling you I’m getting stupid expisive prescriptions and treatment. And it hasn’t totaled 1000 in 2018
So why would I want socialized medicine?
Oh, buddy, you're trying. You really are.
Your advice on how not to be poor is "don't be poor." You could shove vitamins up your ass all day, but that won't stop you from getting hit by a car, then being left with a bill you can't pay.
People who take care of themselves get into accidents every single day. They get cancer. Your outlook on things is going to change quick once you're actually paying your own rent and something horrible happens to you.
there’s nothing wrong with wanting better for people but you cannot take away their own responsibility and then put it on others to carry that weight for them
>autistic
>libs
>triggered
Go be morbidly obese somewhere else.
Damn, I'm sorry to hear about your cancer, user. I don't know much about Hawaii law, and I had no idea that was a thing. If that system was applied in every state, I think we'd all be in a lot better position, but I feel like most states give everyone the finger when it comes to that sort of thing.
Like I said, maybe universal healthcare isn't the answer. But if we had a system like Hawaii's on a national level, it sure as shit would be better than what the rest of the country has right now.
Keep fighting, user. I hope you kick cancer's ass.
>using accidents as an excuse to leech
>people who take care of themselves get into accidents every single day
citation really needed for that one buddy
Yeah probably. If its a full single payer program.
My objection to the wall is not about keeping illegal immigrants out, and more that it sends a message to Mexico and legal immigrants that they are a second class of citizen.
I think we can fill the role of the wall with increased surveillance of the border.
But if thats what it takes ill compromise on that.
I completely agree with you. Like I said:
>you either have people who are completely loaded and don't give a damn about what they spend, or they're poor enough to abuse government programs.
People in the middle are really the ones getting fucked worse than anyone else. And I wish we had more ideas on how to fix the situation.
go find a safe space and keep crying lib
"saves us money on healthcare" how do you think the gov pays for that, oh right through increasing your taxes but taxes don't count right?
False equivalence
>safe space
You can talk all the good shit you want, but we both know how much of a walking stereotype you are.
you also didn't need the internet for a very long time why do you need it now?
While I'm at it, I'll make sure to fact-check if apples are really red or not.
Asking someone for citation for critical thinking is kind of sad, user.
This is bait
I don’t give a shit about the cancer.
But if you look up hmaa or Hawaii insurance law, you will see it’s the basis of Obamacare
Don’t get me wrong, some companies provide the bare minimum required by federal law. For example my old job paid for my insurance. But then the doctor prescribed 100 pills, the pharmacy said we can only give you 30, and generic
The thing is, insurance here is required for anyone over 20 hrs a week. It’s also a tax write off for the company.
Average income in the us is ~44k less for someome in there twenties. you probably take home about 36k. that's 3k a month. a third of that is gonna be on mortgage or rent. another third on car utilities food etc. 1000$ for for a single Dr visit is a lot for the average person. but what do I care I have free healthcare in the United States. oh wait
Granny Smith apples are the best baking apples. They are green
Universal healthcare is like being forced to buy guns for other people. You might make the effort to train on proper firearm usage and maintenance but 9 other people won't. 4 of them will never be able to hit the broad side of a barn, 3 of them will accidentally shoot themselves, 2 will intentionally use them to shoot others and 1 will intentionally kill you.
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Those numbers are inflated by things like
" 34yr old man kills himself on school property at 11pm"
Oh you youngins
>what is irc
Paying for universal healthcare is the problem with universal healthcare... now, if you had a society that promoted preventative care then it might work as the problems would be solved before they become expensive to solve.
yeah yeah walking stereotype uh huh okay typical insults from you libs are still boring but I've been waiting on that explanation on why leeching off of other people is somehow better for everyone instead of, you know, being an actual responsible adult
You can brush your teeth every day
Your gonna lose your teeth when you old
You can’t prevent sickness. You can only moderate it to some extent.
in other words...
>facts won’t support my narrative so no citations for you!!
>What are vaccinations?
Oddly enough we getting ones for the really bad illnesses.
See, here's the thing: caring for the less fortunate members of society is proven to be beneficial to the society as a whole, and if you actually bothered to familiarize yourself with any sort of political literature that wasn't your grade 9 government textbook, you'd know that.
So I'm not going to try to convince some dweeb on Yea Forums about something they should have known already. But that's how you morons operate, you already made up your mind before even considering the facts.
I’m not talking vaccinations
Shit happens. You eye gets cloudy. Fuck you have a cataract. Shit, your visiting mom and you fell and broke your leg.
None of this shit is preventable. Shit happens. You’re gonna lose a tooth.
You can’t vaccinate every medical issue
The cost of healthcare has dramatically gone up.
only in the liberal mind you’ll find the belief that acting on happy rainbow thoughts will make the world a better place and everyone will hold hands singing kumbaya. sorry not sorry to burst your little bubble but that’s not how the world works. you should also learn the difference between *caring for and babying*. you might be used to handouts so you might not see it at first but there is a big difference.
>made up your mind before considering facts
you wouldn’t happen to mean that information i’ve been asking from you fools for last hour and still have not gotten right
Why don't we just have a bullet to the head as an option for free healthcare. Death with dignity. Let's bring back evolution.
you can thank obama for that one
They tend to be mutually exclusive, you see when little Timmy gets refused his life saving operation if his parents can access firearms easily they might be tempted to do something stupid, vs when the population is generally disarmed and only agents of the state are armed people tend to behave more passively and accept thier situation.
If money is worth less through inflation but you don't get paid more, then the gov basically taxed you. People just want some of that capital back.
So you immediately go to the hospital and follow all directions given, this limiting the time you are out of the workforce. Yeah, I get that none of it is preventable but if it is treated quickly then it will be cheaper to treat.
Yeah, but one can go directly to the hospital instead of waiting for sepsis to set in.
I should've said that we should promote proactive care and treatment. As in, you seek preventative care for that which can be prevented and actively seek treatment for other illnesses and injuries as the occur.
>when the population is disarmed they are generally more behaved
being this retarded
aaaand, as a lurker, here is where you lost me.
oh I do to an extent, but it's been going up for the last few decades
both republican and democrat economic agendas has bloated the cost of living
I miss Ron Paul
This man gets it.
he’s trying to use accidents as an excuse to push medicare for all no matter the quality (or lack thereof) and cost to the people who actually work.
he then goes on to claim that everyone who is healthy gets into accidents. so i asked for stats of that claim though there obviously isn’t any.
all caught up?
But a can go to a hospital before sepsis sets in.
And anyone here can as well
And it’s not federally mandated and no one pays out of their pocket more than 1.5%. No employer takes that 1.5%
that second part is where you lost me because it's absurd
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schmidtkramer.com
There's a link. I think there's a deadly car accident every sixteen minutes in the US, if google is to be believed. And I think some of them were healthy, responsible people. And that's just car accidents. Accidental injuries are really fucking common and random. Don't be deliberately obtuse because you want to prove an argument.
Stupid fucks be like "free is always better!"
I don't think legal immigrants have a problem with the wall.
>its free healthcare haha
>its like regular healthcare haha
>only you overpay for it haha
>or else you go to jail haha
This right here is why we have guns and if you truly valued your right to bear arms, you wouldn't support such blatant communism.
most of the world has free health care, most countries with free health care only require you to pay for medication depending on income.
I don't want to have to pay what like 100 bucks was it to go to the emergency room?
Fucking Obama