Why are white people bad exactly?

The systemic problem of disproportional representation in the workplace of non-whites independent of qualifications?

>systematic racism is bad, therefore we will institute systematic racism
woo lad

Because we run the world and non whites are butthurt about it

That is the effect however.

It did in my workplace. We desperately needed a vital position filled recently after a sudden loss of an employee. We hired a 40+ African immigrant who is really nice but so lazy it pisses me off. She will literally spend half her time hiding in a closet or restroom somewhere avoiding work and upper management refuses to even reprimand her because guess what, She black. So now everyone else is expected to take up the slack because diversity in the work place is being promoted over workplace happiness and efficiency.

Assuming this is true, we'd need to see a pattern of this happen to businesses that have affirmative action policies for this to be a sound counter-argument against affirmative action.
On that note.
Can you source that claim?

>The system was allegedly systemically racist in the past. So, we are implementing actual systemic racism. On their children.
Unbelievable

>allegedly systemically racist in
actual systemic racism
Research slavery, Jim Crow laws, and redlining before you come to me with this bullshit, faggot.
Further, the purpose of the law is to allow for people who, on average, have to struggle harder to reach the same qualifications as people who are, on average, already more established in certain industries an opportunity to establish themselves.

The point is that people who belong to groups who have had more opportunities to establish themselves over a longer period of time are not going to have as difficult a time with social mobility.

This means more social mobility for more people, which means conditions improve for society across the board.

policy* not law
Got a wired crossed, there.

>Jim Crow laws*
>the purpose of the law is to*

>the purpose of the policy is to

Cuz dey aint gibs us free shiet

>defending racism as a positive
Gross. Education and hiring decisions should be totally racially neutral. Race should not even be a factor. Anything else is racist by definition.

Despite only being 40% of the population they only commit 0% of the crimes

They never have to struggle.

Yes it does. With the percentage quotas, it means if you have a job opening, you hire not the most qualified but whatever race or other "disavantaged" person to fill your percentage.

Evidence of that?

>defending racism as a positive
Look, I'm sorry you want to individiualize this issue because it FEELS real nice to say "Well, I'm not racist by this particular definition of racism, so therefore my defense of the status quo is morally righteous," but that betrays a deep lack of understanding of what the problems are with the inequities between majority and minority groups, in most places, not even necessarily just the US.

(For instance, there are a number of asian nations I could mention who are institutionally racist in the present tense towards ethnic minorities in their countries, so saying this is just a western or white thing would be disingenuous.)

Point is that education and hiring decisions already aren't racially neutral. They are biased in favor of the majority group in the United States, which happens to be white people.

Yep, never. There's not one homeless white man out there.

When you have a majority group, obviously the majority of hirings will be of the majority group. It would be bizarre if it wasn't. What is bizarre is trying to enforce a particular racial outcome instead of simply working to let everyone compete equally.

Minorities are significantly more likely to experienced concentrated poverty. That is, high poverty in dense areas.
People with "black sounding names" are more likely to be turned down for employment despite having the same credentials as people with white sounding names.
Minorities, particularly black people, face a disproportionate amount of hate crimes.
Voter ID laws in certain parts of the company have been, and this is DOCUMENTED, specifically targeted to disempower black voters.
Black people are more likely to be sentenced to longer prison terms than white people for the same crimes.

There are a number of ways this point can be demonstrated.

That's not true at all. Non-whites are hired at drastically lower rates, even based on their names.

pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114.full

pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114.full

it's fairly obvious.

Except they can't compete equally, because companies literally exclude them based on their name: pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114.full

So the solution is to racist in turn? Instead of saying, "minorities are likely to have lived in poverty stricken areas, therefore we should force their hiring" we work to actually, you know, improve poverty stricken areas? Then minorities will have the same "advantages" non-minorities have.

Incorrect. If you shackle a man for half the race, then free him, is the race fair? Fuck no. You just fucked over his chances. Either the race needs to start over or you need to bring him back up to speed.

And we can't start over civilization so....we need to take affirmative action to ensure those fucked over by racist and inhuman policies get their fair shake of the sauce bottle.

See

It was not allegedly and the system is not currently biased against whites. So you are just stupid.

Citation needed.

No it isn't.

That is not racist in turn, idiot. It's racist NOT to bring the people systematically oppressed back up to the standards of those oppressing.

That is ANTI racist, not racist. Fuck off.

Explain the results of Africa. No shackles and its still fucked.

The solution is to create poverty that disrupts cycles of poverty and neglect that ultimately leads to shit like high crime in minority areas.

You don't even have to care about minorities, specifically, to understand this point. Having more equability means raising living standards for everyone.

Your statement has nothing to do with my citation and evidence. The FACT is, CURRENTLY, that people who have non-white names are DRASTICALLY LESS ABLE TO GET WORK.

That's a fact. It's so important that people change their names to get access to jobs. This is wrong and must be fixed.

So why is there no discrimination against Asians?

If the 'system' is rigged in white people's favour, why are Asians not discriminated against?

>Incorrect
Sorry, but it's correct. That's literally racist. Two wrongs do not make a right. You can say it isn't fair, but that's tough, life isn't fair. Some people are always going to be born with advantages. The guy who was born faster will have the advantage in a race.

That's because blacks are a less intelligent human sub-species.

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THE SOLUTION IS TO CREATE STRATEGIES

I only slept five hours last night. Sorry for the typos.

>making decisions based on race is not racist
It literally is kiddo.

Isn't it anti-racist to just hire the best person for the job, no matter what race they are?

You mean the continent systematically harmed and raped by colonialism? Go look at Haiti, which is just now finishing payments to the French for OVERTHROWING THEIR RULE and therefore having to pay for slaves, AKA, THEMSELVES.

You can't rebuild a country when your resources are owned by other countries and you've been demolished over and over and exploited.

Seriously, this is the dumbest fucking shit ever. If I take all your shit and throw you in the street, you think you'll be able to keep pace with anyone else very quickly?

Because it's bullshit.

Oh, yikes. That sounds like a mighty claim. I take it you have peer reviewed studies from intelligence researchers that unequivocally prove that race determines intelligence.

I'd be very interested in reading your sources.

>The solution is to create poverty that disrupts cycles of poverty and neglect that ultimately leads to shit like high crime in minority areas.
Yeah, and my strategy is literally to improve the infrastructure of impoverished areas, which will disrupt the cycle.

As an asian woman, there is tons of discrimination against asians.

Because your citation and evidence are not relevant.

Sorry, but it's not. It's not racist to UNDO the racist systematic policies of the past.

It's not a wrong to get justice for people.

It literally isn't. Again, is it racist to put a white guy who stole shit from a black guy in jail and give back the shit the black guy lost? No? Then why is it racist when the white guy is "the entire fucking government"?

It's clearly not what people are doing: pnas.org/content/early/2017/09/11/1706255114.full

Yes they are.

You are not UNDOING the racist systemic policies of the past, you are creating NEW racist systemic policies.
>justice for people
Justice for individuals, certainly.

No, we're undoing it. You are just wrong. You don't get to handicap an entire race then complain when they can't keep up.

You must FIX the damage, not simply go "oh well, not on our hands any more". THAT is not justice.

It's not wrong to get justice for anyone. That's just stupid.

You are literally generalizes entire races. That's so racist it's staggering.

No it isn't. It's literally what happened. Deny history all you want, it's exactly what happened.

uhh, except slavery was literally enshrined in the American constitution and was the law of the land in most of Europe for a long time and has been known to occur until quite recently. It's not a generalization, it's just history

nig thinks salvery didnt happen lmao

That's part of it, but that doesn't solve the entire problem. This is specifically an issue of race. A lot of the discrimination that pertains to minorities that still happens in the modern day is specifically race-based, as evidenced by, for instance, the longer prison sentences for the same crimes as I've mentioned earlier.

Sorry kiddo, but you're not undoing it. You're trying to get some sort of weird revenge against people who had nothing to do with the systems you are complaining about.

I do want to fix damage, at the foundational level by improving impoverished areas.

Yes. They dont deserve to do that because of all the bad things they responsible for

or the fact big companies have literally not changed their hiring practices since the 80's

vox.com/identities/2017/9/18/16307782/study-racism-jobs

At what point should a man stand on his own two feet?

The current government is all white guys? They stole from all current black people? Get real.

Who even cares.

Has nothing to do with revenge. Point is that black families are poor right NOW.

Except we are undoing it. That's what affirmative action is. And it works fine.

You can't fix the damage locally. The impact was systematic so any recovery must also be systematic. All you are doing is rearranging decks on the Titanic.

Never, as no man has. We're a group species.

>all white people were slave owners and all black people were slaves
ayy lmao

The current government absolutely comes out of the governments before it, which enshrined slavery in the constitution, yes.

Get real idiot.

Of course it happened.

Disenfranchisement was enshrined in the constitution. Good luck outing yourself as an idiot!

What does the current government being integrated have to do with the claim that the legacy of racist policies in the past still have an effect today?
Or even, the claim that some current day policies are racist?

And I agree that we should get rid of such things. Race should not be a factor.

>there are no poor white families

Wrong.
>it's impossible to improve an impoverished area
wew lad

Cool, then your statement is retracted because it's stupid and irrelevant, got it, thanks

>the sins of the father are the sins of the son
You know we grew out of that shit a long time ago right?

wtf is a non-white name? my uncle was named Leroy and that motherfucker was as white as they come.

What am I responsible for?

No u. It's definitely possible, using systematic changes. Prove me wrong.

1. Almost all white people in the US benefited from the system of slavery, because that was a big part of the early US economy.
2. Most white people were responsible for propagating the system of slavery. Even if they weren't slave owners. Especially in the south, which is why the civil war happened.

Yeah, governments aren't fathers or sons. Rejected.

No, it's entirely relevant. What isn't relevant to the topic at all is that slavery existed.

Let me rephrase that for you: "Our fathers created a problem and have yet to solve it. If we solved this problem, all of society would benefit."

Prove me wrong first. My way doesn't involve being racist.

Making the world better.

No it isn't. It's not relevant at all.

Oh, so you're just ignorant of history. Got it.

Neither does mine. And your way doesn't work, so it's as worthless as anything.

too bad your way doesn't work lmao

only racist here is you buddy

And we can work to solve it, but not by creating a problem ourselves.

No, burden of proof is on you, as you are the one making the clearly bad and obviously wrong argument

Yes, it is.

no that's spot on

Trust me, not as much as you.
Please, inform me about how I'm wrong. I'm willing to learn.

literally was written into the constitution idiot

actually Im racist as well sorry

can we give this idiot a dunce cap?

No it isn't

no

Prove it.

> race determines intelligence

That wasn't the claim

Race appears to be a factor in intelligence as measured by a standard IQ test. The difference between racial prototypes isn't significant until you get out to the third standard deviation but there are a fuck load more ashkenazi jew geniuses than there are black geniuses.

Sometimes life isn't fair and no amount of wishing is going to make it so.

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I'm literally calling for race to not be a factor.

Why on Earth would think that humans achieved cognitive equality throughout their different evolutionary trajectories?

no, that's not how burden of proof works. you need to prove it DOES work, despite every bit of evidence and every study and looking out your window showing it doesn't

s/prototype/phenotype/

>Says prove me wrong
>pulls burden of proof when I say the same
wew lad

yes and that is racist, because again, you can't just fucking start a guy who has been shackled half the race to be unshackled and call it "fair".

The only non-racist approach is to ensure we CORRECT that systematic abuse.

Mayo

You keep saying that like it means something.

Yes, because it belongs on you, not me.

Yes, it is.

>despite every bit of evidence and every study and looking out your window showing it doesn't
Citations please.

because it does

you first, burden of proof is on you

They Social-terraform! let me be me!

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Slavery, atomic bombs, global warming, trump, want me to keep going?

It's not racist to literally not take race into consideration. By fucking definition, to be racist you have to involve race.

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You made a claim bucko.

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No, it doesn't.

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You seem rather confident in that opinion. Where's the evidence of this?
I'm not a scientist, but from what little I do know, it's a topic so complicated and consequential that no reputable researcher would make such strong claims.

You've made a claim. Prove it.

It is because you disregard the struggles of people of color like mlk when you do that. You wont get any pussy if you dont get your mind right

>I'm going to just change what racism means to fit my agenda
ayy lmao

It's time to give blacks 2-3 states in the South to form their own country, so they don't have to live under the yoke of white oppression anymore.

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IQ tests have been administered for decades and the demographics of the people taking them recorded for just as long.

The data is there but an honest analysis of that data is pretty much career suicide as Hurnstein and Murray found out.

I don't have to make a claim, I only have to point to the data.

The South volunteers Florida. They can have it.

I say throw in Alabama as a bonus

something like mohammed

There are a couple things wrong with this statement. Firstly, you're pointing to the fact of IQ tests being administered without pointing to in which contexts and without defining what even causes IQ to vary. All you are claiming is that IQ varies along racial lines, but that doesn't prove that race is what causes IQ to vary.
The proposition you're making with this message is "I'm right until you can disprove me," without citing specific evidence.
Whatever. Racialism aside, do you disagree with the statement that black people are systemically oppressed? Including black people with the same qualifications as other races and black people who commit the same crimes as other races.

>Racialism aside, do you disagree with the statement that black people are systemically oppressed? Including black people with the same qualifications as other races and black people who commit the same crimes as other races.
Yes, it is the exact opposite.

Examples?

>You must be this tall to ride.

>systemically (adv) according to a fixed plan or system; methodically
Let me know when you find the legislation or advisory that tells judges to sentence black people to harsher sentences

>asian women have math and science jobs practically thrown at them
Such discrimination. Much wow.

So does that apply to all the Irish and Italian immigrants who were oppressed and discriminated against too?

What about all the European slaves that the Turkish and Middle Eastern people had? Should they be paying reparations?

because of white racism, because is cool and woke to be racist against the best race.

When you cant go above you pull down your rival.

If the white race produces blue eyed blond loli then that the prove that thats the superior race.

I love Tanya my loli waifu

>Yes, it is the exact opposite.
I assume you're going to point the the average intelligence of black people to support this claim, which wouldn't make sense, given that the judicial system does not penalize people based on who they are, they penalize people based on what they've done.

If black people and white people commit the same crimes, it would only be logically consistent that they be sentenced the same.

If I'm going to stress my predictive powers a little bit, I'm going to assume that you fundamentally disagree with the egalitarianism that predicates our justice system.

If such is the case, would you define yourself as a fascist or otherwise authoritarian?

uh

youre kidding right

You realise slavery has existed in every culture since the dawn of history right? You realise it was literally African tribes who sold their own people to Europeans as slaves too?

For the thousands up thousands of years that slavery existed, white Europeans were the first ones in history to actually take a stand and make it illegal.

He's probably hyperbolizing his actual beliefs.

this a 100 time this.

> Tanya love, psyco loli nazi is da best

Yeah, please tell me about how I own slaves and nuclear bombs and how I'm responsible for other things that happened before i was even born.

She's not a nazi tho. The Empire is clearly modeled on WWI era Germany.

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I'm saying that there are statistical differences in performance on standard IQ tests between racial demographics / phenotypes. This isn't a value statement, this is a statement of verifiable fact.

Look, if I told you that nordic scandanavians were on average taller than sicilians, would you have a problem with that statement? Likely not because you know it's statistically verifiable and you don't place significant value on height.

The difference is that you value intelligence and likely judge people's worth base on their relative intelligence. That isn't something to be embarrassed of as it appears to be a universal trait in people.

So what you're running afoul of is your perception of intelligence as a measure of value and your belief that all people are equally valuable. And that's not a bad thing.

What you need to understand is that all people have intrinsic value and recognizing that one racial group is likely to be a little different from another doesn't affect their intrinsic value as human beings.

Still the best

>Evidence of that?
Provides no evidence. Gottem.

checked and agreed

We're talking about modern history and specifically about western countries. The Atlantic slave trade was chiefly meaningful to the white slavers and black slaves.

Further, you act as though the creation of demand for slaves, an entire industry of slavery, laws designed to dehumanize slaves and protect the institution of slavery, and over war profiteering which is how a lot of these slaves were even captured in the first place, in Africa, is somehow absolved by the fact that some groups of black people traded slaves to the whites at the start of the process...
Not to mention, most of the slaves who ever existed in the United States were born in the United States. Most were not traded by Africans.

The Atlantic slave trade lasted for several hundred years, homie. Its chief participants were white people.

fuck you cunt

And those white people are long dead, as are the former slaves. Now if you want to get into the sex slave industry that is still alive and well today...

Chinese people are the largest demographic in the world. Why are you talking about minorities?

Racialists make the comparison to height a lot, which is fallacious, because genetically speaking, height is much more complicated than intelligence. Especially given the proven effect environmental factors have on intelligence. The evidence barrier to prove your specific claims is much, much higher than it would be were we discussing race.

Also, my previous post that you link to does not make any value statements. As far as you know, I'm extremely racist to black people. Wouldn't change my perspective on the academic issue of whether they are or aren't on average less intelligent than other races specifically due to genetic factors. Also wouldn't change my perspective on WHETHER they are discriminated against or not.

I'm not Chinese. I assume neither are you. Obviously, I'm talking about ethnic minorities in western nations.

>height is much more complicated than intelligence

That's a bold claim.

> Racialists

I'm talking about phenotypes but if you want to believe that two dark skinned africans are likely to have children that look ethnically japanese, you do you.

doesnt matter if white or not, what matters are the powerabuse a high positioner does, sadly all kinds do it the higher there position the higher their crimes they get away with it hiddenly

You're obfuscating the argument. The post you are responding to was in reference to another post that claimed that discussion of the Atlantic slave trade is irrelevant because slavery has existed for a long time in history "so really, it's all a wash." The post you are responding to claims that it is relevant, because it's the form of slavery that is the most contemporary and geographically significant to the west, specifically the United States.

To take that argument further, in response to your reply to it:

The slavery in the US is still relevant today because the institutional racism that slavery introduced and that was reinforced after the abolishment of slavery in the United States still persists in a number of ways, illustrated in an earlier post in this thread.

The biasing that leads to discrimination against black people in the modern day is an indirect consequence of the fact slavery existed in the United States.

ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/height
ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence

And what about all the other slave trades in history? Why are you only focusing on that?

Those primers don't support your claim that height is more complex than intelligence. The fact that we can more readily identify gene complexes associated with height than with intelligence appears to point to the opposite.

Seems kinda close minded. We are all on one world and it's becoming more globalist.

I was re-directed to lemonparty.org what is this?

Kike spambot has been summoned

These primers suggest it's more difficult to attribute differences in intelligence to genetics. A part of the complexity of intelligence is how it's defined in the first place, which is not a complexity that can be attributed as easily to height.

I mean, if you really, really want me to, I could probably look into more research on the subject and get back to you with more precise information, but I'd consider that fairly unreasonable given the thread is liable to die before that task is completed.

their skin

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