Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind

Reminder: socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of mankind.

Not. One. Fucking. Time.

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You say that but we literally bail out multiple Industries every year. That's one of the multiple things that makes us a socialist country already

reminder that social programs doesn't equal socialism and had been done in this country for the past 80 years. Thanks for reminded me we need to put more funds into our education system so they cut down on producing legit retards like yourself.

Norway is a socialist country and is doing very well. As is Sweden.

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Hi Ivan.exe

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>What I define as socialism hasn't ever worked.
T.retard.
Fixed it for ya.

okay, retard.

You are making a classic mistake, often made by people who really have no idea what they are talking about. You are confusing Socialism with Communism.

Reminder: Countrys has never succeeded in beeing healthy to mankind in history.

Not. One. Fucking. Time.

Faggot.

Hmmm. Are people taxed in Norway to pay for their cute, huggable socialism? Or is everything free like the demlibs in merica say it all should be?

Why don't you get onto the internet and read about it. Educate yourself.

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kys boomer

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People are taxed in every country, nothing is for free. What you are not taxed for, you pay out of your pocket or go without. But who wants to go without healthcare.

ah yes, the white socialist utopia...

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>I killed you
>therefore you have never succeeded
Your Talking Point USA bait is boring.

reminder that OP is a demented boomer who will be dead in a few years.

can't wait for boomer subhumans to die and free the world of their filth

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I don't have a problem with being taxed to cover universal healthcare because everyone will benefit from it, including me.

I don't mind paying a VAT to cover universal basic income.

Why are you afraid of infrastructure that will benefit you?

based.

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I'll bet you couldn't even find it on a map

Yeah, for now. But now that they are invaded by muds their system will collapse

I love how this went from "socialism has never succeeded" to "people in Norway pay taxes." You're gonna go far OP.

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Agreed, user. One of the arguments I hear from right wingers is "why should I pay for everyone else's healthcare?"
You're not you fucking dolt, you're paying for your own healthcare!

The Nordic countries are not socialist, they are capitalist systems with a large welfare state.
Learn the difference.

based socalism

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Why do you want to pay taxes and get absolutely nothing in return?

I disagree. I think you confuse socialism with Communism. A country can have a capitalist economy and at the same time be a socialist state.

I'm not going to do your research for you.
Learn what socialism is, learn what capitalism is, learn what welfare is.

weflare =/= socialism.

I would argue Nordic states are even more economically capitalist than even the US is now.

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>TP USA

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They have social safety net programs. They aren’t full socialist. There’s a big difference.

You do know that ancient Rome had "socialism"? They had free grain distribution to poor people. Julius Caesar was hailed for inproving on this system.

>b-but muh food

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cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000498133.pdf

American imperialists were terrified of socialism and still are, so much so that they have to constantly lie and hide the truth

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Reminder: OP is a faggot

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It always amuses me that the Amerifags shouting socialism bad, are the guys with more fingers than teeth living in trailers, no access to health care or education. Exactly the folks who would benefit from it. But with no access to education they will never understand this. Instead they'll just keep repeating, parrot fassion, what their lying politicians tell them to. Education for all is a great thing

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now you know why the elite have been dumbing down the schools for 50 years.

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You can argue all you want but would be quite wrong. You clearly have no concept what you're talking about.

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Is that the best you can do? Some Indian wears a racist t-shirt and the left is supposed to go nuts and turn on AOC?

You people are more deluded than should be possible for a living organism.

I am quite literally a political junkie and well acquainted with the terms, and i have been for at least a decade now, but hey, it it makes you feel better about yourself to put me down, why not, eh?

I am quite literally a political junkie and well acquainted with the terms, and i have been for at least a decade now, but hey, it it makes you feel better about yourself to put me down, why not, eh?

You think this because you are taught that socialism = communism. It doesn't, only in America.

Neither of those countries are Socialist, in fact they have more of a true Free Market Capitalist society than we do.

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>muh socialism doesn't work meme

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Is that Taylor Swift on the left?

(you)

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Yes, it's a fact. When a university education costs $250000 only the rich can afford it. Then the poor will believe whatever lies you tell them.

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lol shes not gonna fuck you

I'm quite literally an astronaught. But hey.

Only socialism that makes sense, and was successful, was national socialism. It took every kike in the world and their slaves to take it down

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China

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They have a free market economy. They have a socialist society.

I'm Neil Armstrong. I mean, it's the internet right?

Eat the rich

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Neither norway nor sweden is a socialist country. They are both heavily socialized capitalist countries.

Name a socialist country that has worked.

The USSR was communist, dude. Not socialist.

Every modern nation state is fundamentally socialist. Society is composed of citizens that pay into a common coffer to provide a central government with social services. Whether you have lots of social services or minimal determines how much taxes you'll pay.

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What a beautiful day that will be...…..

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Socialism works fine until the US performs a coup on your democratically elected government lol.

But now due to globalisation, single socialist nations will always be at a disadvantage due to the nature of neoliberal globalisation. Socialism needs to be a global movement

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>no access to health care or education
Imagine being so brainwashed that you actually believe this.

Nah, you've got no clue, dude. None at all. Without googling, see if you can even find Norway on a map. I swear you must be the bumdest cunt on the internet tonight. You're just reading what these other dumb ducks wrote and tried to reword it. Shame you couldn't afford that education. How many teeth you got?

>up is down
>right is wrong
>everything's just fine, user

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Also socialism isn't 'when the government does stuff'

Socialism is and always has been, when the workers control the means of production. This doesn't require the state, there is a long history of libertarian socialist thought, in fact before the mid 20th century, libertarian was synonymous with far left ideology, namely anarchism

The rich and corporate welfare cost the US citizen much more than we receive as government social services. 400,000 people own 90% of all stuff/ property, much of which was hereditarily passed down and not earned.

>people starve to death in capitalist country
"It's their fault for being too lazy to pull themselves up by their bootstraps!"
>people starve to death in socialist country
"This is socialism's fault!"

>You have no concept of what you're talking about
>Calls the free market societies of Sweden socialist
I'm LMAOing at your life.

Are there morons out there that don't realize that we can automate 90 percent of the jobs and maintain our prosperity levels? Humans work because we all collectively feel that everyone has to "earn" their survival which is assbackwards. Make robots work so we can chill and teach future generations to make sicker robots.

Norway has a free market. Norway, by definition, is not Socialist. Sorry that makes you upset.

You gotta let the boomers sleep man. They old.

If I had no argument this is how I'd respond too

ignorant fool

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The argument here is that somehow being white, blonde and blue eyed makes for a good economic system. Braindead.jpg

Free market and socialism are not mutually exclusive. Free market and communism are.

*dictatorships

Norway has a free market economy. Norway has a socialist society. Simple as that.

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youre talking to leftists bro, what master says goes and leftist masters say give everything to the government....slaves wont listen to facts about it not working

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Automation is going to completely faceroll the US economy unless some sort of universal basic income is implemented. Half the population isn't going to quietly starve to death.

Conservatism is a literal Mental illness.

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But to be fair, starvation will solve the problem.

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Right. Our only point of contention is the fact that capitalism wasn't set up so we can move off capitalism once we've progressed enough technologically. People who own the robots aren't going to pay for our basic income because we've been taught to earn our meal and they have a very strong case to tell everyone to fuck off and earn enough money for their own robots. The person who can genuinely and objectively gets around this hurdle is the leader we should follow.

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So you want me to give you money so you can buy something for me.
How about you just cut out the middlemen and I keep my money and buy what I need....

You have no idea what "socialist society" means. You cannot be a "socialist" country with a free market. You can be "a heavily socialized capitalist" country. Which is what they are.

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He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Reminder that government regulation is necessary to maintain Capitalism and protect it from becoming corporate aristocracy.

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This. Fucking this.

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Reminder: Real socialism has never been tried.

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Lmfao the amount of ignorance in this post is amazing. Right now in the U.S.A. there is a middle man, called insurance companies. You pay them to get healthcare, or the company you work for does. Universal healthcare IS taking out the middleman. Jesus.

we live in America dumb ass, its impossible to starve, we can eat worms all year round if needed. when is the last time you heard somebody starved to death in America you democrat slave ? never

Then you're kinda missing the point of what a society actually is.

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This is actually really cool. He's either really convincing our an actual moron. I am so excited to find out which.

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This is now a trump cock sucking thread.

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Trump can't buy a properly fitted suit, or properly tie a tie. That's funny.

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THE JEWS ARE STEALING FROM YOU AND YOURE BLAMING A FUCKING NOBODY LIKE THIS
CONSERVATIVES ARE BRAINDEAD

>quote slave owner about those willing to work, and giving to those who won't
lol aight

If you're going to quote the book of fables at least quote it accurately.

It actually says "He who 'will' not work, neither shall he eat". Fucking pleb evangelicals who don't even read, understand or live by their own book of myths..

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Again, confusing communism with socialism. But ok, you're not the first. I guess that's what they're teaching you in school.

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The trump family really has a weak chin.

This thread
>Politics by meme
The world is doomed.

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>laughs nervously

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>Libs
We'd like to compliment capitalism and offset the inevitable negative effects with selective social policies that can fight wealth disparity, provide a better quality of life for everyone and even bolster the economy
>Conservatives
FULL ON SOCIALISM!?

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The Right is only memes..

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That is really retarded that our population is this fucking dumb. Both Democrats and Republicans don't really know fuck all about Che. Republicans just happen to be right by accident, hating commies is their factory setting.

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Alright. So you believe that you can be a socialist country, despite being fundamentally capitalist. You are a dipshit. But please, explain your version of socialism. This should be good.

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Republican are literal toddlers aren't they? Literally swayed by a still of spooky eyes.

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Socialism works great...
...in a perfect society.

If people on the bottom cheat the system, there won't be enough to go around and everybody gets dragged down. If people on the top cheat the system, they take control and steal, causing everyone else to be dragged down.

Have fun finding a country full of decent human beings.

cool thread, define socialism

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It's always been the left one. Who is this retard that you're pandering to?

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My man went on a diet and had so many customers that he sold out. Good for him!

See? Proof it's not about the politics. It's niggers.

instead lets live in society where the rich cheat the system

k.

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but daddy i just pegged jared

We're pretty well off as a nation and historically communities have fed the less well off so starvation hasn't been an issue in the US. The question is how we handle massive structural unemployment which still maintaining social cohesion and a well running economy.

So when we're at 75% structural unemployment due to automation and half of working age people are not only unemployed but unemployable, who's going to pay for them to keep a roof over their head and food on the table.

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lol @ all the Venezuela memes, lift the sanctions on Venezuela and stop funding paramilitary groups who's aims are to subvert the Maduro governement and sabatage their infastructure and lets see how much ''socialism'' ruins their country after that

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>pretty well off as a nation

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Weak chin, hair loss, propensity to obesity... genetic lottery winners they are not.

Blacks and latinos cost the goverment a heavy deficit, however whites do not. So maybe?

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>Medicare
>Medicaid
>Social Security
>Public primary education
>Public secondary education
>Public police and firefighting
>Public roads

All socialist structures existing in the US. You're either obtuse or retarded. Possibly both.

Fucking Rent Free

>We're pretty well off as a nation

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Just a reminder that we can walk away from our debt at any time and give zero fucks about the resulting meltdown.

>We're pretty well off

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Those are numbers on a balance sheet. In terms of resources, infrastructure, and manpower the US is still positioned to succeed.

You also ignore that virtually all that scary red debt is owed to ourselves.

That doesn't make it good. When companies fail, THAT'S GOOD. Newer competitors will show up. People fail, they can move on and do better. People need to stop giving up after one failiure and start expecting free shit. Fuck socialism.

sure, if we don't mind losing our world reserve currency status, and absorbing the massive devaluation of the dollar that would surely result

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I never said the US system is perfect. In fact, I'm cheating it right now.
>free VA healthcare (lol)
>free college
>check every month, plus a college stipend check
>state paying my mortgage

>Saved the world from Nazi Germany?
Operation Barbarossa broke the Red Army, only things that kept the USSR in WWII was Hitler's incompetence, Germany not having winter provisions, and aid from the U.K. and US. Go back and change any of these and USSR would not exist. Also if the USSR is so great then how come they have never recovered their loss in population from WWII where as the US has done nothing but grown the population.

You left out
> rural access to electricity
> rural access to telecommunications
> water management and sanitation infrastructure

>You also ignore that virtually all that scary red debt is owed to ourselves.
Nope, the unfunded liabilities owed to ourselves are larger and not even included on that chart

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Hell ya
I want more racist furies.

Ivan, this woman is not even a Senator, she's a Representative. She has zero power. Worry about the communist shithole you live in.

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Explain.

You really don't have anything other than propaganda and fearmongering, do you?

It's okay. We'll get there without you and when we do you'll see that there wasn't anything to be afraid of.

"Day" is about right.

LOL

Like the fuckwit in chief gives a shit about any of that so long as he can rule over what's left

>one hundred trillion dollar bill

why even have money at that point?

would probably be better to trade shit with each other.

and how embarrassing wouldn't it be to have your face on basically a toilet paper sheet?

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Funny how they're all white...

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>Nope, the unfunded liabilities owed to ourselves are larger and not even included on that chart
LOL Total US debt as of right this minute is 22.28 trillion. How could the liabilities owed to ourselves be larger and not included on a chart that is 17 trillion in 2017?

Regardless, you can see the breakdown here:
usdebtclock.org/

In which you are wrong.

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Because you can't afford it if you get sick. We all need the healthy to share the risk. If we have to pay for what we get, we get circus healthcare.

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Leftist hate what they cant control.

Right...
>Bartending was her career.
Not that looking like an ignorant fool has any consequences on here, so keep shitposting, user.

The entire image is bullshit. I was renting my own place and buying my own food in 1990 and that cart of groceries would have cost more than double the implied $20.

Putting Harriet Tubman on the mythical $100T note is a nice touch and should tell you something about the target audience for that bit of propaganda.

Just google up U.S. unfunded liabilities. Sorry to break the bad news to you.

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Ivan - good job of taking it out of context.

"Early last month, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did a bad tweet. After misreading an article in the Nation on the Pentagon’s accounting errors, Ocasio-Cortez falsely claimed that the Defense Department had wasted enough money over the past two decades to finance 66 percent of Medicare for All. This was an innocent mistake. The congresswoman had cited her source, and linked to it, making it easy for fact-checkers to uncover her error — and thus, for Anderson Cooper to call attention to her “fuzzy math” on this week’s 60 Minutes.

Confronted with her month-old mistake, Ocasio-Cortez replied, “If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.” In the 24 hours after her interview aired, the congresswoman argued that it was unclear what standards fact-checkers use when determining which truths and falsehoods to spotlight — and thus, absent good discretion, fact-checkers could actually bias public discourse by drawing disproportionate attention to progressives’ misstatements."

Venezuela is a dictatorship, not socialist.
And your god Trump wants to oust the dictator, too.

The $100 bill is the highest bill in circulation. All of the larger bills up to $100000 are gone. Banks don't need them anymore.

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You're still a shill for Putin.

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THIS

It's just a coincidence John Bolton comes in and all of a sudden there are problems with Iran and Venezuela that will lead to more wars to further this "great" economy we currently have bolstered by threats of massive tariffs.

What a shit show we have become

Republicans are retarded

I see, you're pretending we currently owe the entire sum of all future Social Security and Medicare costs.

So here's the thing with doing accounting that way, if you want to sum up all future liabilities, you also need to sum up all future revenue.

Honestly, just uncapping FICA would wipe out your entire unfunded liability boogeyman.

>Harriet Tubman
She was supposed to go on the 20. People forget quick now, so it's on permanent hiatus.

Ummm... the country's already in the shitter. And not by socialist means.

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It's not intended to be accurate, it's intended to be scary. Scare people and they stop thinking and get in line.

is what we got going on in the us a success? [spoiler]it isn't [/spoiler

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That's only because those people while flawed and uneducated still know what self reliance is and does for a family. Soon the intellectual debate will win and Globalist nonsense and Socialism will eat them and their families alive, just like yours.

What's with the tie photoshops? Is that really the best the leftards have? They're even dumber than I thought.

So you're saying raising taxes would increase revenue?

Derp, Captain Obvious.

Social security will fail. Write it down.

I remember. That movement was backed by some people on the left I personally disagree with. I was referring to using Tubman to tie the idea of hyperinflation to Democratic policy in the eyes of people unwilling or unable to look past the obvious inaccuracies in the propaganda.

Also, water is wet and fire is hot.

It's ridiculing Trump for his obvious attempts to compensate for a sense of inadequacy.

SS is quite solvent.
And Trump is doing a great job of filling the govt's coffers with tax money. The 10% tariff on imports that he wants to raise to 25% will extract plenty of money from the US population. Think it hurts the Chinks? Fuck no. They just raise their prices, you pay more, the gov't collects more, and the Chinks break even.

You literally cannot be more retarded. Socialism and capitalism are mutually exclusive. Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, capitalism is private ownership of the mean of production.

You mean like this?

If you're going to include the future until the end of time in your calculation of future debt, you need to remember that tax rates and thus revenue can change. It's why the entire "unfunded liability" talking point is retarded.

kek what a load of bs

Except AOC and Bernie actually call themselves socialist. What they advocate for publicly is socdem, but they identify as actual socialists

water cannot be wet. it makes things wet.
fire is hot

SS will be depleted by 2035 as of right now. We are at a 1:3 ratio of workers to retirees and congress and consistently spent all of the surplus they are no legally required to keep.

I don't care what label they sew into their underwear. Social democracy is part of what made America great and it's high time we get back to it.

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Not quite, Chicken Little...
"Currently, the Social Security Board of Trustees projects program cost to rise by 2035 so that taxes will be enough to pay for only 75 percent of scheduled benefits. This increase in cost results from population aging, not because we are living longer, but because birth rates dropped from three to two children per woman. Importantly, this shortfall is basically stable after 2035"
www ssa gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html

Translated...socialist programs isnt socialism. I need to redefine socialism and the programs I scream like a city over while claiming they are socialistic for my dumb argument to gold water

If socialism was so good, then anything America could do short of war shouldn't effect them

Actually, what made America great was having a less regulated market, and the greatest constitution and system of government in the world. Personal and economic freedom is what made us great, it's high time we get back to THAT.

Despite her being a polistitute, I had the hots for her.

So we adjust FICA withholding or reduce benefits. It's not rocket science.

What is communism then?

What is NYSE and publicly traded companies?

What are schools, roads, bridges, SS, military, public assistance programs, libraries, farm subsidies, steel subsidies, coal subsidies, tax breaks for certain industries (GA/CA/NY: Film WV/V/LA/WY/NM/NV: Coal/Oil/Natural Gas)

Robber barons good, New Deal bad. Got it.

The USSR turned to Democracy because the country was crashing, they couldn't continue its ways, learn the fucking history.

Communism is a stateless, classless society. Marx viewed socialism as a road to accomplishing the end goal: communism. You really need to read some literature on the subject, I'd start with The Communist Manifesto and Kapital. Government programs are government programs, not socialism. Government intervention started being falsely equated with socialism, it actually started as a way for the right to attack the programs. They are not socialism.

I'd say the New Deal was alright, the type of big government overreach that aoc and bernie want is what's bad.

Decent point but, You want be to believe the Gov't?

And when the democrats do this, the boomer generation will raise hell and republicans will seize the opportunity to attack, with the truth, that retirees are not getting what they paid in.

Norway isn't socialist, you sentient dick cheese. It's a capitalist liberal democratic country that's on life support.

>You want be to believe the Gov't?
Rather an entity who has direct access to the real data than an anonymous who-knows-what on a board of retards.

One day at a time, comrade. One day at a time.

that is some straight talk from someone who stays on /b and /pol regurgitating propaganda to write their essay

You realize that the New Deal is the social democracy I'm talking about, right. What AOC and Sanders are talking about isn't all that revolutionary or scary and certainly isn't as big a game changer as the New Deal.

> (You)
>And when the democrats...
I'm gonna bet you meant

I would say this is still closer to insolvent than solvent if the truth is 75% payouts

I don't even go to /pol/, but I'd love for you to tell me what I was incorrect about. Go ahead and read the manifesto and kapital, you'll see what I'm talking about perfectly laid out. Marx defined communism as the end goal of socialism. Government programs/intervention is fine in small amounts, but they are not socialism. They've been called socialism in recent years, but like I said that started out as a right wing scare tactic.

The truth is more likely to be an adjustment to FICA than a cut to payouts.

Strange maths. I'd say 75% was closer to solvent that in-. But I agree, it's not good in any case.
Hence the 401ks, IRAs, etc.
And Trump is raising taxes on everyone, so money's coming in (if he doesn't take it himself somehow).

The Green New Deal is leagues beyond anything the original New Deal did. We already have significantly more regulation and government intervention than we did after the new deal, there's no reason to take it any further. It is scary, because many countries with these programs in place have had to massively scale them back, and this is in countries with tiny homogeneous populations. Ain't gonna work as well here, buddy.

>many countries with these programs in place have had to massively scale them back
Do tell. Please cite some examples.

that hypothetical person is a myth.

yes mommy please

thanks obama
its his economy anyway

thats why shes so smart she didnt get entrapped and brainwashed by all of the things you listed. she is the closet to feeling represented by my government that i have ever felt, and she doesn't represent me.

Most of the Nordic countries have had to pull back on their welfare programs, partly due to high influx of immigrants collecting.

not pictured, the people being squished, collected and turned into a food paste under the foot of capitalism

brainwashing, not history class

I shit you not I made that pic!

You are a moron!

>those countries were doing just fine before america ruined them!

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Whoever this chick is she could totally do me with a strap on.

You idiot! You will be assigned an untrained low IQ negro as a “doctor” and if you don’t like the quality of the care, we’ll thats just racist

The CIA will make sure of that at all cost

having a few socialist programmes doesn't make it a socialist country, unless the country is ruled by socialism is can't be socialist, at most a social democracy like Sweden or England

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The only difference would be that the phone would be design to not break after 2 years

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