Abortion is bar-none the single issue that makes me the most frustrated about Chan posters these days...

Most mass shooters are niggers, 93% of niggers are liberals. You do the math faggot.

>not my body, not my choice, not by decision to make, especially when it's someone you never knew/met/seen and isn't even remotely your kid.

I'll assume skin color is irrelevant

It's that old George Carlin bit, right? God damn, I thought people would get more like that over time but it looks like most just got more brainded. We don't even have poison in the paint chips and here we are in 2019 debating racial hygiene and Roe V. Wade.
Think of it like this, it's not a baby until much later than most people terminate it. There's never been a successful birth before 21 weeks, and even those babies went on to suffer greatly/die young at very early ages. Not once in the history of medicine has a fetus been anything more until that time. Even older religious people from the 1800's knew there was a time before the baby was alive even though it was inside the mother, called "the quickening". You're not punishing a baby. Also think about the life of the average unplanned child. Doesn't it deserve parents who at least were ready for a child? Gotta have foresight on this because it's a complex issue that too many idiots boil down into crying like upset toddlers and chanting "baby murder" on repeat.

Ironically this. Thanks dude.
MOST MASS SHOOTERS ARE NIGGERS LMAO
Son what dose are you tripping on today and where the hell did you get that much LSD this early in the summer???

How is having a baby punishment? If they don't want to risk having a baby don't have sex.

By that logic then, I should be able to do the following...

>Murder at random so long as it's not you
>Burn down random buildings so long as they're empty
>Slaughter strands of wildlife for sport and not for food

The list can go on and on. By saying "Not my body, not my choice", you're opening up the floodgates for a lot of other stuff that is not acceptable.

You're right. Most mass shooters are not niggers. However, niggers do commit over 50% of all violent crime in the US, despite only being minority.

Are you intentionally being dense in asking how having a child is a massive financial burden and moral responsibility that requires endlessly more planning than casual sex? Please tell me you're being dense or fucking with me.
Are you--- are you reading what you just typed? Murdering somebody who's not a fetus anymore is legit murder. They're outside of their mom's womb and I'd assume made it to the crib without suffocating. That's flat-out murder, a pretty huge choice you make for others. The other two are just irresponsible and wasteful. The building's already built, the wildlife are born and outside their moms.
The crux of the thing here is there's a difference between a fetus and a child who can survive outside the womb, man.

Bait

>If they don't want to risk having a baby don't have sex.
I already answered you. Take some personal responsibility.

Yeah, there can't possibly be any cause-and-effect or historical actions committed by white people that led to black ghettos or a culture of crime. We've always given them fair deals on housing, voting rights, what schools they get to go to. Yep, black people just magically were created attracted to crime. That's totally all that happened and no further reading is required. I-am-so-intelligent-and-high-IQ

That's not foolproof. Condoms break. Birth-control fails. Rape and incest happen. Abortions are needed when accidents happen. That's like saying every time there's a fender bender we have to execute one of the drivers.

nice strawman.

>That's like saying every time there's a fender bender we have to execute one of the drivers.
I'll second this, especially the fender bender was the result of some moron texting while driving.

That's kind of the point though. You hit it right on. Conservatives who don't believe in abortion genuinely think that once you hear a heartbeat a few weeks in, that's a viable human being with a life and a soul. By their logic, it's all the same.

>believing that life has any inherent value

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>moral responsibility
Hey, let's just kill the child then. No child no problem amirite xd

>People have casual sex because it’s 2019
>It’s 2019

Great argument faggot. Clearly everything else that happens in the world is totally justified because “It’s 2019”

>drunk driving?
It’s cool bro, we’re in 2019
>Wanna kill a baby because you can’t deal with your poor life choices?
Do it man, it’s 2019
>You wanna dress up like a girl and use women’s bathrooms?
Totally normal man, it’s 2019.

I bet you also think the only mass shooters that exist are the ones who get a news cycle all to themselves.
Oh my sweet summer child

Very complex issue, I agree. If it is very, very early on in a rape situation, sure. I can side with the choice folks.

If it's just unplanned and you're not wanting to take care of it, there are plenty of couples that are incapable of having children. Would adoption rather than abortion not be a potential solution? Win/Win/Win in my book.

>IF I CANT GET LAID, THEN NO ONE SHOULD!

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>The argument of people trying to control other people

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Fucking idjits, why would you keks want to ban a much of trees? An arboretum in a general sense is a botanical collection composed exclusively of trees.

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lol

I never said it was due to 'magic'. I'd say it had something to do with the fact that a disproportionate amount of black children in the US don't have dads looking after them. Welfare will encourage this societal behaviour.

But by all means user, if you disagree, explain your "cause-and-effect historical actions by whites people" theory.

I mean housewives did that a lot before abortions were legal. You wanna see little Timmy and Laura get bathtub'd to death because every time Daddy wanted to bust a nut they had two more mouths to feed? This used to happen frequently.
There's also dimensions to forcing a mother who wasn't planning to carry a baby to term. She could lose her job and end up dying from poverty, which kills the baby. A doctor could find out late in the game that if she tries to give birth she'll die from complications, which kills a person. Also if it's a couple with as many kids as they can afford who get pregnant, that risks killing their existing child and forcing the couple into homelessness. Not to mention not all adoptive parents are good people. Also what's to stop a woman from just circumventing the system and lying about being raped to get the procedure done? It's less of a headache to continue with the old Roe v Wade standard. It's kept lots of young women out of trouble.

DO
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HAVE
SEX
UNTIL
YOU
CAN
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WHAT
CAN
HAPPEN
SO FUCKING HARD TO GET?

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Okay, I will, because I totally disagree that American blacks have been dealt a fair hand. Throwing negative stereotypes around based on behaviors we've caused is throwing fuel on the fire.
>Blacks were robbed of billions of dollars by housing practices perpetuated since the early 1900's. This book explains the long history of how segregation and directly racist policies made ghettos exist.
amazon.com/Color-Law-Forgotten-Government-Segregated/dp/1631492853
>Communities are still mostly segregated after the fact. Bad schools that get shitty funding, a highway system that developed as a way for white flight to prosper while blacks were kept in cities or along bus routes perpetuated the poverty.
>Poverty leads to crime for all races.

Did you ever have anybody tell you "Just because I'm not having sex that means nobody else should?" It has been featured in this very thread once before.
Also "Lmao a couple had an accident while fucking one time. PUNISH THEM WITH A BABY. That'll teach them! Haha! I've forced a child to live its formative years with parents who either didn't have it or don't want it! I'm a great person and this planet needed my cruelty!"

Remind me how pic related is worth saving and keeping around.

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How does that saying go? "It's not what we don't know that's the problem - it's what we do know that just ain't so."?
No matter where you come from, it seems that anyone can become an arrogant, ignorant cocksucker... Oh well. Try to manage yourself and prescribe honesty when you can. I think we'll make it.

It’s real fucking simple.

If you fuck and get pregnant, that body is no longer “your own right”. You’re sharing it with another human life that has the same fucking rights as you. It’s no longer just “your” body. Because another body is inhabiting yours. That’s biology. And has nothing to do with you not looking as hot after child birth.

Show me a pro choicer who wouldn’t go ape shit at a pregnant mother who’s drinking and smoking pot 24/7. Even though that mother is practicing the exact same fucking thing that pro choice Cunts teach. “My body, my choice”

Teenage sluts who have their own babies ripped from their wombs are doing it because they would rather see a child die that see their tight light nubile body get destroyed by pregnancy.

If you don’t want the kid, put it up for adoption where they will likely find a family that wants them. That’s the obvious choice to a woman who isn’t a selfish twat just worrying about the validity of their whole being with a loose vagina.

Birth control in the US / UK and Europe extends to abortion and that is FUCKED UP. And just remember, this ideology is spearheaded by the so called equal rights movement of Feminism.

People will look back at our time as we do the 1600’s and regard us as a cheap, morally destitute, backward society who’s only real achievement was the Internet.

Now you're being dense. If you have sex, regardless of whether or not you use a condom, you risk getting a pregnant. In the real world, when a young mother decides not to terminate their unborn child they put their careers to rest. When I say "take some responsibility", I'm saying shaping and making use of the situation you're in. If that means getting married, staying with the (grand)parents, saving money then so be it. Clearly you don't understand this fundamental principle with your examples of whataboutary. If you don't want a 0% chance of having a baby, don't have sex.

>inb4 rape
Put the baby up for adoption. Don't kill it.

Parents go to jail in this case, they will raise that child to be a productive member of society.

>implying a gooey blob of cells with no senses developed has more rights than the caregiver

you see, this is why i hate faggots who believe this bullshit

If you've seen The Big Short—and you should, it's great—you'll know that the movie opens with a quote from Twain: “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” ... Because Mark Twain never wrote it or said it or anything like it.

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>negative stereotypes
They're called trends, boy.
>bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
>datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38,35/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431

Now kill yourself.

>If you fuck and get pregnant, that body is no longer “your own right”.

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I'm pro abortion. Fuck humanity

If you get pregnant and smoke crack then it is still your body and your right, right?

That was a lot of ad hominem nothingness and fluff for one comment. Especially from somebody smart enough to watch The Big Short. I love that movie. Inconsistent though, most people I know who sought that out and sat through the whole thing usually have things of more quality and substance to say.
>Teenage sluts--- tight light nubile body get destroyed by pregnancy
Is pregnancy partially some kind of weird fantasy for you where you punish women? Like a freaky hentai-kind of scenario where you find promiscuous women so detestable you find them forcing a 5-10 pound object out of their vaginas some kind of neckbeard, basement-dwellery form of retribution? You don't sound like a nice guy.
>Implying everybody has parents/grandparents
>Implying most people aren't living paycheck to paycheck
You're making a lot of assumptions just because you can't concede to the fact it IS taking responsibility terminating a fetus. Remember when Brett Kavanaugh was getting put on trial and he mentioned how much he and his friends used to love Fast Times At Rigemont High? Check that movie out. It's a clear example (and a fun movie) about a situation where it just makes sense to cut the pregnancy short before it's too late because the mother and father aren't ready for the enormous moral responsibility of bearing a child.
Punishing people for trying to have casual sex and being bad at it really is like executing people who drive cars the moment they get in a fender bender.
T H I S
I take it you're not one of the pro-life people in this thread?
Depends. You gonna hit up Planned parenthood and get that crack baby out of there before you give birth to a shaking monstrosity?

Post 6 weeks there is a heartbeat. If you think that a gooeyblob of cells, I suggest you fuck off back to school and get some education.

It’s a simple fucking fact you faggot. Why should some baby die coz some fucking slut doesn’t want to face the consequences of her actions.

And this brings us to women in general. One half of the human species that does not have to have accountability in their actions. “Sure I drank 20 vodkas and told that fat guy to fuck me. But now I regret it so he should be charged with rape and i want an abortion”

Grow up and get some fucking knowledge you shit eating sheep.

>Fucking slut
>women in general
>women have no accountability for their actions
>Unironically calling somebody a sheep

Don't you have homework to do over the weekend or something? Jesus Christ you reek of High School like bad pizza lunches and PDA.

Well if that's the case, then have your precious little fetus do your job for you at no pension or salary. Quit pretending your shit don't stink cause of 'muh beliefs. That shit right there smells like liberal speak.

Retard. You missed my point completely. Of course not everyone has parents or is in a bad financial situation! That's why you don't risk having a baby!

You don't have license to tell other people how to live their lives. Mind your own fucking business you authoritarian sack of shit.

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A unborn baby didn't do anything wrong. You on the other hand are the reason niggers will never be in a good situation.

CUZ THEY DINDU NUFFIN 'IS ALL DA WHITE MANS FAULT

The more arguments about abortion vs anti-abortion I read, the more I second this.
Authoritarian shitheads.

There's a thing where people who have a healthy relationship with their sexuality know you're assuming a reasonable amount of responsibility by putting on a condom, using birth control, or expecting not to be raped, that the only people who want the worst-case-scenario should those things go wrong are simply punishing people for banging and using a flimsy argument about fetuses being babies as a smokescreen.

Then explain why pregnant mothers are vilified if they smoke or drink while carry a child?

Pretty much. Abortion is horrible. The government assuming control over your body is worse.

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Every unborn baby in history that can't survive outside it's mother's womb yet committed the cardinal sin of needing to violate somebody else's bodily autonomy to survive. Once they're at about 21 weeks though they're golden. Some people go as low as 13-15 weeks.

If that’s the best you have, you have nothing.

Just put the kid up for adoption if you don’t want it. Pretty fucking simple.

We're not sure if they're gonna abort the thing. If they don't it's a fucking war crime against a thing that won't exist for up to 9 more months.

Because people always stick their noses in other people's businesses when it doesn't affect their daily routine and then get upset over a thing that has no impact on their lifestyle. It's like having nosey neighbors snooping around in your business, always needing to know what you're up to, when it has nothing to do with them to start with, every day.

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Yeah you're right, not worth trying to reason when you won't see things from other perspectives while masking it with bullshit.

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Because it's unhealthy for the child.

No one is saying abortion shouldn't be looked down on, but the government has no place deciding what a person does with their body. Take your religious bullshit and blow it out your ass.

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While using religion as a base to stand on to enforce such regulation
So much for keeping church and state seperated.

How is having a baby punishment? Hypothetically, you had sex, you knew the consequences. Uh oh! Pregnancy! Time to get organised, start saving and get stay together. Still too difficult? Consider adoption. Just don't punish the unborn child.

If it’s her body and her choice and she has dominion over her own person, and she can choose. Let her smoke and drink.

“Kill that inconvenient child. It’s not real anyway!...

But don’t smoke and drink! That’s bad for the baby!!”

Retarded

The problem here is that you either allow abortions or you don't. You can't ethically only allow abortions for women who got raped, because then you need to decide where you draw the line, and that means it's up to someone else to decide whether your rape was bad enough to allow for an abortion. It's an unethical discussion to begin with, but only allowing it in some circumstances is where it gets even more messy. It should just be allowed period, because a fetus shouldn't have more rights than the living person carrying it.

Why is it any of your business?

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>Raise a kid
>Kid turns out to be a shithead
>Despite doing your best of ability at being a responsible adult and caretaker for your own kin
What do here if conditions are met as described

This. pro-life fags need to realize that whether you agree with abortion or not is not actually relevant, it's about not having anything to do with the bodily autonomy of another human being. It's simply not your place to decide.

I’m an atheist. Fuck all about this is about religion. The argument itself it’s based in science. At what point does that life have the same right as anyone. If it was outside the human body at 8 weeks in a test tube, and some freak ran into a lab and tipped the test tube into his mouth and chewed that little fucker and swallowed it, that would be considered murder. This argument has always been about women and at what stage in a pregnancy they decide that the thing growing inside them has much a right to life as them.

Religion is a sideshow and has little to do with the actual argument. It just so happens the only people petitioning for reason happen to be Christians.

AKA: Anti-woman.
That's all that is in summary. Guess some shit never changes throughout history.

It's just a shame more Pakistani, Indian, and every single muslim person doesn't just have abortions every single time they're pregnant. The less human will inherit the earth, I guess.

>Authoritarian shitheads.
Well look at what democracy has brought us you little shit. No responsibility, no accountability

Well if we're talking science here I gotta jump in with the assist. No successful births have happened before 21 weeks into the womb. On top of that, calling those births "successful" is kind of stretching it, because those kids went on to suffer and live notably short lives. So the minimum age any medical professional on the planet has been able to turn a "fetus" (something that only exists in the womb) into a "baby" (something that can live outside the womb) is 21 weeks. So yeah, it's a little more subjective than most people think.

IF A FETUS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SURVIVE ON ITS OWN, THEN IT HAS NO MORE RIGHTS THAN A FUCKING PERIOD

I meant to say objective. Fuck me, this is why I don't eat and post at the same time. Forgive me dudes.

>unironically call little shit
ok little man.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact

by that logic, we should start arresting men who fap to any form of lewd material on the charge of committing serial murder, because sperm cells are people too. Fuck it, this whole debate is autistic as it is.

If it is your body
And you have the right to abort
Then you might as well have the right to do meth while pregnant

Internet tough guys. They're eternal. We'll be old men and the will still be somebody calling another person on a Chan board "sheeple", "retard", "faggot". It's a law of the universe I guess.

Murder is any good person's business. Why is anything anyone's business?

That just means you're a shit parent.

It is the business of the whole humanity to protect the innocent from harm. We absolutely should get involved in the life of a woman who is planning literal murder.

>claiming to be oldfag
no you won't. stop larping.

Anti-women. You fucking idiot.

By the same argument you could say women who abort are anti-babies.

95% of the time, pregnancy is to do with inconvenience. Not health, or rape. Just inconvenience. Of both the woman and the father. And it’s fucking disgusting that we live in a society that actually sees fit to try and demonstrates the illegitimate rights of a baby based on how long it’s been growing in a person just to satisfy the right of 1 or 2 adults to say “meh, not ready”

So your saying the legitimacy of human life is based on shelf life?

Move on Cunt, you’re reaching.

then how come when a chicken aborts their offspring, we call it an omelette?

You don't call fishing murder. I'd argue that the fish have endlessly more perceptive abilities than a fetus before 13-21 weeks. Things don't even squirm when you make them stop existing. This whole thing's a convoluted invention so you can punish women for having sex.

How do you feel about war?

Yup. Either all innocent people are sacred and should be protected at all costs or this is a bullshit argument from "pro-life" people.

I'm not a fan. Why?

So you’re saying every disabled person or anyone in a coma or anyone born paraplegic has no rights?

Ladies and gentleman, I give you the number one retard of this thread. Take a bow son. Your parents (probably related) must be overwhelmed with pride.

>hurrr durrr you don't like baby murder so you must like war

In need of one, as long as ICBM's are off limits. Because, no one wants a large sum of land that's useless due to radiation.
>hurr muh edge
perhaps, but when you're tired of society and its bullshit, sooner or later you may have a similar thought.

Then go eat a fetus.

>- Women who have sex

don't

>- Couples that accidentally get pregnant even though they used protection

don't

>- Women who were raped

don't act like a slut

women don't deserve the right to kill

And pro choice doesn't mean we like abortions. It just means we give people the right to make choices for their life. If everyone else's actions that don't actually affect you directly make you hurt inside then you're a damn snowflake.

We don’t call shooting elephants for their tusks murder.

We don’t call killing cows murder.

What’s your fucking point?

Just goes to show arrogance and delusions of mankind.

Why? Shit's got mad bones in it and they don't sell them anywhere except that one Chinese market by my Dad's old house in Missouri.

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That’s what this is about though.

If we were walking in the same parking lot and I ‘chose’ to smash you over the head with a hammer, then cut your arms and legs off. That would be murder.

But why is it not murder to do the same to an unborn baby. And remember there is a heart beat around 6 weeks. What’s the difference?

You're a fucking child and I wish you'd have a healthier view about sexuality. It's a thing people do. Take your puritain bullshit to Saudi Arabia. I live in a country where you're allowed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Being able to slap a rubber on and go to town is part of that happiness because last I checked Church was for Sunday mornings, not Saturday nights. Fuck yourself kid.
The concept of anybody being pro-abortion is silly. That said, framing pro-life people as anything other than anti-choice seems like a place where the level-headed citizens failed at utilizing PR.
The fetus isn't aware you're terminating it. Prove to me the thing is? What, a heartbeat? Fingernails beginning to grow? Weak sauce. the thing doesn't have enough of its brain formed until a certain trimester to understand it's alive. It exists like a tumor. You can remove the tumor if you don't want it to become a 9 month-18 year commitment.

I truly hope you’re not saying that statement as a pro-choicer. Because the eye gouging irony might make this shithole board explode.

Because it doesn't really matter if you murder me in a parking lot.

Just to repeat because I said the same thing in the post below this one: A fetus lacks the cognitive function to understand it's alive. It functions like an organic machine, but it doesn't have enough of its brain yet to understand it exists.

“The fetus isn't aware you're terminating it”

By that same argument it should be fine to shoot dementia ridden grandmothers in the head in their sleep.

Moron.

>the eye gouging irony might make this shithole board explode
really, that's all it takes? seems rather tame.

let alone survive independently outside in the current state
>but it has rights too!

So let’s termimate people who are in acute vegetative states or comas.

Who do you think you are bringing logic and common sense to Yea Forums

That happens

The only people who actually believe abortion is murder are already rotting in prison from acting on their beliefs.

If there was a business in your town murdering adults and children, wouldn't it be your responsibility to do anything to stop it, regardless of personal cost?

So yeah, you don't really believe it's murder.

We do that sometimes bro.
If you're shooting people in the head while they're asleep you should start with members of the senate. Grandmas are too easy. Do our country some actual good and use your ninja with a shotgun skills to terminate people who vote for right-to-work bills and tax cuts for the rich. But yes, shooting somebody in their sleep is kind of like terminating a fetus. Except a fetus doesn't have children of its own, friends, and acquaintances who've seen it in person and formed chemical bonds with it.

>Murder

How many "babies" have you murdered jerking off to cartoons on this shitty website?

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Brazillions

So as long as it’s a lonely individual with no family or friends and no one to miss them, it’s fine to shoot them in their sleep?

In a strange way op is right we need to get back to our Yea Forums roots

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Do I need to shoot you the number for the suicide hotline bro?
1 - 800 - 273 - 8255

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Now that's a refreshing dose of the board I once loved.

It's all good, as long as it's lil niggers being aborted.

soooo do you feel bad about killing jessies dad ?
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>shit that happened 3 years ago
old news.

Did you just tell Yea Forums that white women deserve less rights than non-white women? That's how you get "on the basis of sex" events.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Bro we knew consequences would never be the same. We knew we'd dun goofed.

All the good stuff happened years ago
imgur.com/a/xrivk

Yeah but i certainty didn't see this coming
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Nice.
Well, reCaptcha is making me check 6 or more pages of bullshit
>sorry please try again

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enjoy your fap

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exact opposite friend

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and how do we know you didn't google that image

I'm here with you Yea Forumsrother. I describe myself as "somewhat reluctantly pro-choice".

My wife and I would never choose to have an abortion unless it was to save her life or if the fetus had some defect that would cause it to die or live a horrible non-life. But I think there's a lot of good reasons to have an abortion. Rape and incest are the most prominently listed ones, but some women are legitimately in awful situations to raise a child.

If a 16 year old makes a stupid sexual decision and gets pregnant, I think it's a moral act for her to have an abortion before the pregnancy gets too far along - having a child that early often ruins lives and ensures that everyone involved lives in poverty and despair.

That said, I think it's clear that if the pregnancy is far enough along, there is a life at that point and it should be protected. Where is that boundary? I think that's where people of goodwill and conscience can disagree. I think the only positions that are flat out wrong are the extremists. All abortions aren't "killing babies", and abortions in the third trimester are most certainly ending a life.

In many ways, abortions represent a failure of society. It represents the failure of people to work for a living wage, a failure of availability of healthcare, a failure of availability of birth control, and a failure of support structures. I hope for a world where abortion is available, but fewer people feel the need to avail themselves of the service.

With all that, it's a discussion fraught with emotion and ethical issues, and substantive discussions are possible. But most people are too busy yelling BABY KILLER to engage.

Look at the file name

>1552002666926.jpg

The stupid newfaggot downloaded that less than a month ago

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you cant know and i wasn't really here that far back but pretty soon after in fact this jpeg was still a gif

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You're far too reasonable to be posting on the asshole of the internet.

So ? proves nothing

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I agree with this guy That was a pleasure to read and we agree on many things. Thank you for your insight on the issue. An end-goal of the least suffering has always been the prerogative of level-headed people. I want to walk the path of least resistance with an adherence to kindness and compassion.

A significant portion of pro-lifers are angry incels who are just pissed off at the idea that there's women out there who have sex and it's not with them. Therefore, their "pro-life" views are just an attempt to punish women. They don't actually give a fuck about babies.

You know damn well that a lot of these smelly autists would sacrifice half their tendy money on an abortion if they somehow managed to get a girl pregnant.

There's no logic to be found in your arguments

Abortion is murder but just like murder it's sometimes okay
youtu.be/8XtgHEE2JRQ

Define murder

Hence the death penalty

An abortion at six weeks is not murder. There is no mind to end, no personality to obliterate. It stop a sweet pea sized mass of cells from developing.

Proves you are a larping newfaggot who needs to lurk more

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The fuckin' Avengers Endgame of abortion debate threads on Yea Forums. Kudos man, you saw through the smoke and mirrors and got right to the point.

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2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 5 - CRIMES AGAINST THE PERSON
ARTICLE 1 - HOMICIDE
§ 16-5-1 - Murder; felony murder
O.C.G.A. 16-5-1 (2010)
16-5-1. Murder; felony murder

(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.

>A significant portion of pro-lifers are angry incels who are just pissed off at the idea that there's women out there who have sex and it's not with them. Therefore, their "pro-life" views are just an attempt to punish women.

+10

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No it doesn't

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Are you implying that Yea Forumstards are sexless, obese, unwashed, neckbeards with the mental maturity of 8 year olds, who believes the reason they never get laid is because they're too "nice" to women?

I’m a male bulimic.
AMA

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This is true for most faggots on here.

There is probably an overlap in that they also are Trump supporters

If you abort a baby you killed a baby. It’s a life that could of been and you took it away. You can justify it all you want but you are a baby killer. Can you think of anything more fucked up you could do.

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Anyone who's been here longer than a year can smell the newfag pouring off of you.

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i wonder how many you will eventually kill with that post ?

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>It’s a life that could of been

So every time you jerk off you're committing mass genocide.

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Force a woman who was raped to carry a mass of cells till it becomes a baby then label her a murderer?

Yeah, forcing a baby to be born into a family that doesn't want it. Or a family that can't afford it. You know, now that I think about it I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep exterminating a fetus that doesn't even know it's alive yet. But thinking about all of the mothers out there who are abusing their kids until they die slow, painful, torturous deaths because we forced said mothers to lunge forward into a huge commitment? That's haunting.

woteva

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>/Thread

>555
trips of truth

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Here ya go user.

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For all you niggers against abortion. There is a simple solution.

>Free birth control for females.

I don't much care for abortions, but unless you start providing free birth control. What else can you do?

IUD's (intrauterine device) are grand. No babies, but loads of crimepies. Win-win.

Lol

The baby didn’t rape any one. Also what makes a women’s body so special that being forced fucked justifys murding a baby.

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What makes a baby's body so special that it can suddenly get 9 months free rent inside a rape victim? Also it's not a baby yet. Fetuses can't tell they're alive up to a certain point. They simply can't sense anything. So you can, you know, have justice happen and give the woman a choice of whether or not to keep the thing.
Also you talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.

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Hear yee hear yee...creampies for all!!!

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>- Women who have sex
They should try not being whores.
>- Couples that accidentally get pregnant even though they used protection
Reproduction is the goal of marriage. If you're married, what's the problem?
>- Women who were raped
And didn't get any anti-rape kits from the police or plan B?

There's no excuse for abortion other than grave hereditary diseases, incest, other reasons that do not make the child viable for a dignified life or a threat to the mother's life. Everything else is purely whores trying to justify being whores while making men pay for it.

>Inb4 HURR DURR
Who's paying for the fucking abortion, dipshit? That's right, the taxpayer. The overwhelmingly male taxpayer. Men are forced to be complicit in infanticide without their consent. That's worse than rape on so many levels. Not that you'd care, because in the deranged mind of a leftie the feelings of a woman trump even the sanctity of life. Female suffrage was not just a mistake, it was the final nail in the coffin for Western civilization.

>Free birth control for females.

I'd take it a step further and require it for those receiving welfare

We could save trillions. Don't have to pay for 6 years of childcare, 12 years of school, and then another 30 years of prison.

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you fucking racist trying to wipe out the blacks

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Why would anyone care about what another person does to an unborn fetus?

Why would anyone care about what another person does to a newborn child? At least when a whore chokes her baby, she isn't using anyone's hard earned taxmoney.

Eh? she probably used everyone elses tax money her whole life

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vagina with teeth... my greatest fear...

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>Casual sex makes women whores
Yikes, you ok there champ?
>Taxpayers pay for abortions
Not in my country compadre. That's a $400 bill right there. You don't know much about this subject besides that you hate women a whole lot, don't ya? You should settle down a bit before posting here, it might make you shit yourself.
Because they hate women and want to punish them for having sex. It's kind of like a religious thing, except it's only usually done by really stupid people who use religion as an excuse to control the lives of others even when issues are none of their business.
Newborn babies can see, hear, and feel stuff. A fetus doesn't have that kind of matter in its brain for some time. It's like making a person disappear in their sleep. Except it's a gooey cluster of cells instead of a person.

would anyone miss them?

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the jeep wranglers owners club ?

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Who pays for the care of all the unwanted children if abortion were to be banned? Many would have expensive special needs. Where do you put them? No one seems to ask this question.

>Yikes, you ok there champ?
Yeah. Are you, cuck?
>Not in my country compadre
>You don't know much about this subject
Wow, yeah. How dare I not be informed about how the law works in your unnamed shit tier country?
>Newborn babies can see, hear, and feel stuff.
Yes. And?
>It's like making a person disappear in their sleep
So that's legal now?
>Except it's a gooey cluster of cells instead of a person.
A person is also a gooey cluster of cells. It's just a larger cluster containing more cells. Can you give me a cellcount where "gooey cluster" ends and "person" begins?

Did you know orphanages exist?

liberals dont really do cause and effect

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There are maybe 10 or 20 conservative shills here that are responsible for the bombardment of right-wing posts.

Sure. It's the cell count between 13 weeks when the baby starts kicking and 21 months when the baby can be birthed if you want it to die at age 5. Preferably later than that, but I'd say as early as the old religious idea of "The quickening". You know, a whole two months after the woman's missed her period. Conveniently, enough time for her to reasonably consult with people and abort the baby if she's not ready to have it.
Also I'm from America. We pay for abortions here. If your health insurance covers it, it's less than $400. But that's all fine and good considering everybody male/female sinks money into health insurance.
But yeah bro you sound angry at women in general and unironically called me a cuck. Don't you have homework assigned to you over the weekend? It's better to get started on it now so you can enjoy your Saturday and Sunday before the school week comes back.

Vocal minorities on the internet fuck with my head. Their views are so backwards and cause so much needless suffering bro. Shit's totally not cash money.

>Republican

Pretty sure those are anchor babies / welfare babies

But fuck building a wall right? Let them all in!

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So abortion is not murder because
1) it's not unlawful and
2) it's not out if malice

aren't there more white people in the usa?
ten times more than niggers

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Same user, Agreed.

These GOP fool's are only help create the problem.

Liberals are primarily pro-choice on abortion, idiot.

>t's the cell count between 13 weeks when the baby starts kicking and 21 months when the baby can be birthed
That's not a cell count. I want a cell count. I want, down to the last cell, the threshhold where personhood begins according to you. But even if you go by time, give me a timeframe. Give me a timeframe accurate to the hour. Because the moment of fertilization can (with sufficiently accurate equipment) be measured down to the microsecond.

>Preferably later than that, but I'd say as early as the old religious idea of "The quickening". You know, a whole two months after the woman's missed her period.
Funny that you'd resort to ideas that existed before microscopes were a thing and humanity only had a very vague idea of how reproduction worked.

>If your health insurance covers it, it's less than $400.
And... do you know how healthcare insurance works? You're still making others complicit in your murderous act. At the very least pay for it fully out of pocket or just choke the child to death after it is born, if you really feel the need to kill the child.

>But yeah bro you sound angry at women in general
Of course, they're disgusting creatures. Did you not see how women in Ireland were fucking CRYING over having gained the "right" to terminate an abortion? How could anyone of sound morals not be disgusted by such vile beings? Letting women vote is like letting the fools run the asylum.

>Fucking don't until you are ready for the potential consequences

Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. With your retard logic, you better not get into a car because once you are in a wreck with life threatening injuries doctors get to say "live with the consequences".

>Is that the baby's fault?

The fault of the pregnancy is 100% on the rapist. And the day you get to force a woman to carry a fetus of rape to term is the day a person who needs a new heart gets to take if from you without your consent.

Yes, that is the definition of murder.

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Yeah, shits out of control. Most Americans don't agree with the bull shit the GOP sells.

But they invest loads of money in propaganda.

Every single human that's ever had an opinion on abortion, and any other thing for that matter, has survived the fetus stage, therefore I think its only natural selection that we collectively decide we only give a fuck about you if you make it past that stage. So for that reason fuck foetuses, theyre not human and I really couldn't give less of a fuck about one and your lying if you did say you gave a fuck about one, nobody is entitled to say they care about foetuses surviving pregnancies because we all survived them, who gives a fuck about the dead ones

Build it as high as possible, keep all you cousin fuckers in. World peace at last.

Dude like 90% of domestic terror in the US is from extreme right wing ideology.. it's not even close.

I have no clue why you are posting this to me. I

1) Only provided an answer to the question.
2) Don't give a fuck.

abortion is baby murder. Plain and simple. If you want to defend that, fine but don't pretend that that isn't exactly what is going on.

>With your retard logic, you better not get into a car because once you are in a wreck with life threatening injuries doctors get to say "live with the consequences".
Not the same thing. It's more like getting behind the steering wheel drunk and not consenting to running another person over. Or hell, in some countries the driver is held accountable by default in a driver-pedestrian collission. In that case even getting behind the wheel sober means accepting the consequences.

>And the day you get to force a woman to carry a fetus of rape to term is the day a person who needs a new heart gets to take if from you without your consent.
Yeah, sure. If he spontaneously spawns around my heart, leaves my chest and then leaves a fully functional copy of my old heart behind... sure. Or are you really trying to sell me that "you're not allowed to kill an innocent child" is on par with "you're expected to die for the sake of someone else"?

Logically that's the case, but that's not how women see it. To them, their feelings are their reality. It doesn't FEEL like murder (unlike choking a newborn child) therefore it's not murder.

Do go on, when is a person a person? Or a baby a baby?

Are you cool with the death penalty? How about drone strikes that kill civilians?

>
Both are under fyi.

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>Not the same thing.

It's the exact same thing, dipshit.

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Wow, that's the single dumbest thing I've read all week. Fuck, you jews aren't even trying to make your lies makes sense anymore.

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who says baby murder is wrong? if your gonna class foetuses in the same brackets as babies anyway, Ive got no sympathy until the babies at least in the third trimester, before its literally a bundle of cells and I couldn't give less of a fuck, also by that logic cumming into a tissue and not utilizing that sperm to make a baby is baby murder

Yeah, my gf got pregnant accidently. We were careless. Her health is fine. It wasn't a rape. Just a bummer, ya know? We decided to kill her 3rd grade teacher. She didn't have anything to do with it, but what the fuck.

Makes a lot of sense, huh?

LOL...kep telling yourself that. Just wait until your views and ideas skew from a lefty; violence will become you against your will.

Lmao you defend enslaving a woman to her own body for the benefit of another potential person.

You are the monster here. Never forget it.

Sure thing. A doctor refusing to help someone who's dying is the same as a doctor refusing to murder.

>cumming into a tissue and not utilizing that sperm to make a baby is baby murder
Only to people who have absolutely no idea how microbiology works.

>enslaving a woman to her own body
What the FUCK does that even mean, dumbass? Am I a "slave to my own body" because I can't consent to needing to take a shit?

Still waiting for the "pro-life" retards here, who aren't vegan and therfore not pro life by the way, to explain how they will keep rape and organ trafficking illegal in their fantasy world in which abortion becomes illegal.

Just because you can pathologically determine when somebody spunked on an egg doesn't invalidate the fact a fetus grows into a thing that's eventually more like a living thing than a--- well, an organic machine that isn't aware it's alive yet.
You didn't need a microscope to feel a baby start kicking. Also even the archaic church knew there were cases where "sending the baby back to god", aka aborting it while it's still a fetus, were good for the health/mental well being/social standing/etc of the mother. It's weird people are pushing more punitive agendas than they were hundreds of years ago.
>Choke your child after it's born
Nigger are you insane? I get the point is that you want people to feel the kill, but the baby is aware it's alive at that point. That's actual murder your crazy ass is advocating for.
>Women are disgusting creatures
Holy fuck you need to get some of your emotions sorted out before talking about this issue in public. It's a complicated topic that's sensitive for every woman who has to deal with it. Going in thinking they're not your human equals is not the correct approach. You sound like a psychopath, or somebody with a lot of life left to experience before I'd ever call you a "man" instead of a fucking "boy".

>Sure thing. A doctor refusing to help someone who's dying is the same as a doctor refusing to murder

Abortion is a life-saving procedure, you absolute moron. Does that make your tiny brian overheat?

So what's your position on the death penalty?

Nah bro it sounds like you murdered an innocent person. I take it you guys decided to keep the baby? You didn't tell me you aborted it or anything.

world is already overpopulated, no need to keep genes of the worthless.
If you are beta you can always give a birth and hand over the kid to some cucks

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The growing Back to Africa Movement must be encouraged to remove as many of the foul, feral, bestial sub-species members from the USA as possible. America's Bane needs to go NOW!!!!

This dude's advocating for making women carry a baby to term, you know, where it has a developed brain and has breathed oxygen, and then making them choke it to death.

In other words I think he's off his meds and probably shouldn't be posting on the internet.

That's actually fairly accurate user. Righ-wing and Eco nuts commite most terrorists acts.

Read a report every now and then.

>The root of all problems in society comes from poor parenting
>prove me wrong

>Your pushing to force people who aren't ready to birth and raise a child
>Because good Christian morals
you fucking mong go back to the dark ages

A dead Negro is the best Negro.

>enslaving a woman to her own body

>What the FUCK does that even mean, dumbass?

I find it so funny that you don't have the mental capacity to understand what that means. Most "pro lifers" run when I say that because it's exactly what they advocate and it is indefensible.

See

Got off your soapbox and fuck off nobody cares.

You gonna cite a source or wut?

lol no. It's a privacy issue fuck off fag.

Only because the left wing media immediately labels everyone who commits an attack right wing regardless of their views.

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No replies yet lmaooo

>more like a living thing than a--- well, an organic machine that isn't aware it's alive yet
Awareness is your definition of life? Write a letter to every university you can then, because you've just revolutionized the entire field of biology.

>You didn't need a microscope to feel a baby start kicking
Wait, so the baby is alive when it starts kicking? I thought life began with awareness?

>It's weird people are pushing more punitive agendas than they were hundreds of years ago.
Yeah. Do you know what's also weird? We don't give people who start drooling and screaming exorcisms but we send them to psychiatrists. Almost as if our understanding of the human mind and body developed or something.

>Nigger are you insane?
Why does this suddenly offend you? What's the difference between killing it in and outside of the womb (other than whether or not you make others complicit)?

>That's actual murder your crazy ass is advocating for.
I'm not advocating for shit, you'd realize this if you could read. I'm just saying that if you really need to satiate your bloodlust, it's better to not make others complicit against their will.

>Muh emotions
And here we have it: women and their soiboi pets exist in the realm of the emotional, not in the realm of reality. Yes, I need to get my FEELINGS sorted out, I don't need to get my FACTS straight.

>It's CURRENT YEAR
Sick argument bro

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Bold of you to presume all those things.

shut the fuck up you whiny little cuck, youd never say anything like that to a black guys face, you probably got a joke made about you in the office by a black guy and you stammered and went red. Your a pussy and people like you need to get the fuck out of America

It's not bold at all. "Pro lifers" are the most willfully hypocritical nut jobs currently occupying the wrong side of this non-debate.

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>dismissed my argument and jumped right to the last thing I said

ill repeat myself
>All problems come from bad parenting
>your trying to force people who aren't ready to become parents

wheres your logic on the overall impact on the world

ok

>your

Still no replies.

Big yawn.

>You are the monster here
Hey whatever helps you sleep at night. All I said was killing unborn children is wrong. If that's what sets you off then okay. But I'll have to disagree on which one of us is a monster.

so populations with a lot of mexicans? They don't like abortion anyways.

Then there's west virginia. They have nothing to live for.

Number one method of reducing abortion is sex ed and contraception; people don't abort babies they want

Banning abortions just kills more women then reducing the need for them does

Pregnancy permanently changes the female body and still to this day has a non-zero chance of death, by demanding adoption you're forcing women to risk their lives and wellbeing because you think the bundle of cells that has a detectable rhythm at six weeks is a living breathing person right then

More than half of all fertilized eggs that implant into the uterus self abort in the first few weeks, good luck imprisoning all fertile sexhavers for manslaughter

>All I said was killing unborn children is wrong

Except it isn't. And I don't care how many buzzwords you use. "Children" "murder" "kill" "choke". All I care about it bodily autonomy and if we are to have a society that believes things like rape and organ trafficking are wrong, the you have show why body autonomy doesn't apply on this issue. Which no "pro lifer" has. I sleep great btw, I don't believe in enslaving women so

A preteen is raped and becomes pregnant. There are complications before the fetus has developed enough to survive outside the womb and if she doesn't have an abortion she will die. You have been given the say in whether the operation goes forward. Do you leave her to die or permit the abortion, saving her life at - in your expressed terms - the cost of the fetus?

lol france

I literally don't care if women want to murder their babies. Not even trying to edgy. Why should we care about someone whose own mother wants them dead? Doesn't make sense.

I never said I'm against abortion if the woman's life is at risk. The way I see it, one of them has to die. No murder is being done if nature sees that one among two has to die. Let the woman decide whether or not to go through in that case.

This board is filled with boys who will never fuck

" Also think about the life of the average unplanned child."

This is why my next humanitarian charity is dedicated to pumping large amounts of abortion drugs into african nation's water supplies.

Vegan plant murderer.

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Buzzwords? Look, you're are advocating for the right to make living organisms (that would develop into humans under natural circumstances) become deceased. Is that "unbiased" enough for you?
Rape is wrong. Always will be. Same with organ trafficking. In a pregnancy, there are two bodies present.

So your definition of person hood is birth? If a woman decides at 39 weeks she can't deal with the child, she should be able to abort it?

As someone that is Independent with a bit more right-leaning viewpoints, I say fuck it. Legalize abortion up to 20 weeks. After that, unless it's gonna jeopardize the health of the mother, you gotta give birth. Also, if the father is still present, you must have his consent to the abortion as well. It takes two to tango, and even if the woman doesn't want the baby, if the man does they should have to keep it. Be adults and talk it out.

And don't forget vaccinations, the devil's handiwork.

No nigger, these comes from the FBI.

give me the salsa then faggo

Fucking look that shit up on their website you lazy nigger.

Only bible thumpers care about this shit

Depends.
What race is the baby?

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Ok nigger

You could fuck it.

>Legalize abortion up to 20 weeks. After that, unless it's gonna jeopardize the health of the mother, you gotta give birth.

And this is why independents are the biggest laughing stock of the political system.

>I made up bullshit and have no source

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>Buzzwords?

Yeah. Words with no substance only used to invoke emotion which is useless in intelligent discussion.

>Rape is wrong. Always will be.

Exactly, which is why abortion will always be legal.

Again look it up nigger. Stop being lazy.

fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism

Shit is useless. Which makes me believe you're just making up bullshit.

You made the claim, you provide the source. I'm not going to dig through mountains of bullshit to prove your point.

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I like the idea of killing babies but I don't like the idea of giving women a choice but I think I like baby killing more so I'd say I'm pro choice

How about forcing all women to get abortions?

Holy shit I didn't think of that, what if women who want abortions are forced to carry it and women who want to keep it get punched in the stomach