Socialists believe that everyone deserves the same amount of stuff regardless of a person's actual work output...

Everything about this is wrong

OP is going back to /pol/ soon

No they don't

>Americans vs history

If there is a universal health care I'm opting out, because it's illegal and unconstitutional for the government to force civilians to pay for a service, or product.

>Socialism is a cancer that threatens to undo what civilization has accomplished by taking away the incentive to give your all to something, to be replaced with what some cock smoking, unicorn believing SJW thi ks is "your fair share" of productive output.

So what's YOUR productive output and what is it "they" can take from YOU.

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You may believe that to be true, but that's sure as shit not what you're going to end up with. How you're not able to see beyond your own two feet is amazing.
I lived in Ireland before I moved to America, you faggots can keep your shitty institutional medicine. I'll very happily pay a $20 co-pay for instant and top tier healthcare. Enjoy waiting 6 months and getting gangrene from a minor cut.

The only thing that will fix the American system is raw Capitalism. Open the floodgates and force the companies to compete with each other.

This is the logic of spastics like OP. The problem here: That kid didn't pay for those Legos. They were handouts from its parents.

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Nationalism has nothing to do with left or right wing. It can be both. Big Government control with Nationalism (nazism) or Small goverment with Nationalism (classic Liberalism/basically what US was founded on).

You are probably right. I have personal experience of public healthcare as the only option. And it only resulted in people i care about dying needlessly.

That's communism you are talking.

>works 2 jobs
>no health insurance
>went to college

I want what kind of degree that guy got?

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It's great, let the weak suffer and the strong rule. There is plenty of methods nowadays to raise from nothing to greatness. Unless you are a retard, like you.

Fuck Healthcare, overpopulation is already an issue, let the weak die off.

get back to work faggot my tendies arent going to pay for themselves

You don't work twice as hard as most people (and probably not nearly as hard as "menial" workers), and you're certainly not special. You're just a selfish, egotistical asshole.

like taxes you mean, fuckin tard

Holy shit this shilling is getting ridiculous.

I didn't say that's what i wanted, I said that's what socialists believe. Learn to read.

Oh, and your opinions are completely the result of the way you were raised, not any wisdom you gained through life. Your opinions aren't your own.

*The way he was raised and the propaganda he submits himself to.

so does he want insurance or not? even fast food places have insurance plans for management and veterans get a shit ton of discounts when it comes to that sort of thing

Fuck 1984. Read Huxley you pleb.

first post, best post
fuck the /pol/fag crossboarders

exactly this, political shillingfags have no fucking place on Yea Forums

Huh

You know it's fucktards like you that fuck everything up, You fucking sense of entitlement is epic, but it hardly approximates your stupidity. Why the fuck do you care if some pos never achieves anything with their worthless lives?

Just get your shit together, and let other people fuck up their own shit. When we personally own the means of production, and you don't have to sell your labor for crumbs that fall of the table of the oligarchs, the only thing you'll have is what is in you. No one but you will care how many widgets you make, they'll make their own.

You do you. Pos's will do them. Everything will be fine, because no one will be able to keep you from making your own shit, and you won't need shit you can't make yourself. If you can keep your nose out of other people's business everything will be fine.

But I bet you won't. Because people just need to make other people obey them. Well, we're gonna be able to keep thugs from projecting power too, so you'll just have to bitch about your feelings of inadequacy to someone who care.

You're right. Taxes are theft. That's why it takes government to collect taxes.

That's why government it tyranny, and why decentralization is actual freedom. Personally having means of production renders industry obsolete, and that parasitism is what enables government. In every field of technology, the cutting edge of advance is decentralization, from agriculture to astrophysics. Get a 3D printer and get started.

Get free.

If its star trek socialism that would be nice as long as they dont take away my lolis

In 1974 was when Congress and Nixon mandated employer provided health insurance. Before then we had an actual market, and the best health care system in the world. Ever since then additional mandates have increasingly increased the costs of health insurance, and the quality of American healthcare has skyrocketed.

Today we're 50th in infant survival rates. You're absolutely correct that returning to an actual free market for health care would restore that situation - but it's not the only way.

Increasingly, apps and personally manufactured medications - AI and 3D printing and CRISPR together, are going to make the entire health industry obsolete, and healthcare will be vastly improved as a result.

Personally, because assholes are trying to make being subject to arbitrary injections against our will mandatory, I'd start with manufacturing my own vaccines.

Centralization is actual tyranny. The way to be free from oppressors is not to need anything they have, and not need to give them anything your have. Fuck them. When we make our own shit, we don't need them, and we can stop their thugs from making us do it too.

Decentralization is freedom.

you have it back to front.
capitalism is where fat lazy corporate cunts get rich off of the back of other peoples hard work.

"I want to be raped by Jethro the Woods Cultist who breeds 7 new soldiers a year because I don't want to give a nickel for roads because muh freedums."

>ISHYGDDT

None of that statist BS matters. It's all collectivism, and in fact you - each and every one of you - is sovereign. They can hold a gun to your head to get you to comply, but only if they can get that gun to your head, and dying is not compliance.

As technology continues to decentralize the means of production, the power of institutions to parasitize commerce will continue to decrease, until individuals can no longer be oppressed, because they don't need institutions and institutionns can't project power.

So fuck all that. Let's just keep from fucking with each other, and see if we can't get to the stars. Maybe folks could lend each other a hand when they need it, or to accomplish something that takes people, because it's a social goal.

That's the world that's coming, sooner or later. The quicker you wrap your head around it, the less trouble you'll cause the rest of us while we're getting shit done. So, clear your head and be useful, or stfu and stay the fuck outta the way.

lol what a loser

Oh, a real, alive antivaxxer.. Aren't you scared someone's gonna sneeze or fart or exist within 10 metres of you?

>quality of American healthcare has *plummeted

Is Bill Gates smarter than you? Probably. Is he 1000x smarter than you? Or rather, given 3 years to prepare, could you manage to get done what he does in 1 day? There are massive differences in output between people, but if you think the status quo is merit based, you would receive disability under socialism, win/win. I'd bet you associate socialism with Venezuela and not Nordic policy. There's a good chance your media bubble fits comfortably inside mine. Seriously, you have a lot to gain, we can help you.

Welp, asshole, my name is Jethro, and i live innawoods. i'm your worst fucking nightmare, because I have a 3D printer, grow my own food without glyphosate and phytoestrogens in it, and my people own more guns than all the military forces in the world combined.

Prepare your anus.

You managed to grasp that from the decentralization powers that are coming to individuals.

So, you're a shill for Big Pharma. I doubt they pay you well, but I doubt more you're worth what they pay you.

Big Pharma's going down like all parasites. We can already print drugs with 3D printers. We can already use CRISPR to alter plants, animals, and fungi to produce the medications we need, and we can grow them ourselves, whether you like it or not.

The entirety of human knowledge is being commodotized and AI that fuels human use of knowledge is improving every day.

We won't need you, and your industry is obsolete. We're just waiting for the tooling to get to us.

This post is just so wrong in so many ways. Seriously how dumb are you or would you have to be to believe this shit?

"Your people" would all be dead with one drone strike...should probably just go ahead and kys

Hey don't pick on him, he's trying. I've seen enough bundy ranch types to know when to show empathy. The complexities of mass production that allows militias and communes can't really be explained to those who think they are independent of said production. Let him play it out.

inb4 they did it themselves because they love being the victim.

Everything you just said is wrong.

Socialists think every equal amount of work is of equal value ie. a bricklayer is worth same as a doctor per hour.

Nazism isn't a form of government. National socialism was, and you know what else is socialism? Any nationalism in general.

like car insurance?

>Socialists believe that everyone deserves the same amount of stuff regardless of a person's actual work output.
You know that kind of Socialists are a minority within the Left Political movement, right?
>t. eurofag governed by centre-left, "soicialist" party

>work 1/3 of your life for some fleeting pleasure captured by buying useless shit

Poe's law in full effect, and I want so desperately to believe this is a joke. But in my secret dark heart, I know its not.

Also, the healthcare industry will never be obsolete as long as there are patents and medical research. I don't care how many 3d printers you have, you can't make a drug if you don't know how.

you don't work twice as hard

>Vaccinated
Deserves it.

/r/thathappened

Probably why Ilhan Omar is such a nazi.

>Socialists believe that everyone deserves the same amount of stuff regardless of a person's actual work output.
>capitalism pays more for jobs that require less work
....

>I refuse to work twice as hard as someone, only to be given the same amount as someone who sits on their fat, tendie munching ass.
you a NEET then?

You are thinking about communism, not socialism. Idiot

>2019
>using your car as a political billboard

you deserved it shithead

>Socialists believe that everyone deserves the same amount of stuff regardless of a person's actual work output.
Wrong.

>nazism is a left wing form of government
Yes, the part where the economy had a bunch of private large corporations that individuals profited off like mad really tells me just that.

I mean, pretty much (to refute your amazing rebuttal)

Socalists don't believe that. Socialist believe in putting ownership of the means of production in the hands of the workers. That says nothign about the reward structure.
You're probably thinking about communism, but even in "communist" countries, that never happened, and total equality wasn't even a theoretical goal. The credo is "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." - this respects that people have different needs and hence will not all get paid equally, and it respects that if someone doesn't pull his weight, society is entitled to take action against him, or refuse him participation.

'hands of the workers', ie hands of the government.
and to believe that 'each according to his needs' is "respected" as you say... uh, practical application in every instance says otherwise but ok lol

>'hands of the workers', ie hands of the government.
Not necessarily. You can also make the worker cooperative the default company model in your nation.
> practical application in every instance says otherwise but ok lol
Practical application also ignored just about all other required aspects of communism, so that's not a surprise. But, as I said, even practical attempts never implemented flat payment structures where everyone's paid the same.

The problem is that what each individual needs is subjective, and that the person charged with deciding how much each individual needs finds themselves in a position of immense power.

Western countries are already halfway to that point anyways, between benefits available to a vast number of people and tax writeoffs to the rest. The power is diluted in government agencies bound by a million protocols.

no they don't.

they never implemented it why? because such a thing is impossible, haven't you realized yet?

They never inplemented it because they had no reason to. They already had all the power and lifestyle they wanted, and the peons under them were under control, so why mess things up and potentially risk outrage?

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Bernie's a left libertarian

Good job user. Your meaningless rant saved the world from your own personally defined form of socialism!! You're a hero user!

>I refuse to work twice as hard as someone, only to be given the same amount as someone who sits on their fat, tendie munching ass.

Your already doing just that, the ceo of your company probably inherited it at birth and sits around all day while you make him money. In fact nearly all of the higher ups, sometimes even managers, are just sitting on there fat asses while you make money for them.

But why do retards thing this is the socialism people want? No one wants that lol

You poor confused mother fucker. USA is a socialist country btw.