What do you think about hollow points?

they're nice

Dub dubs checked.

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No such thing as a “bulletproof vest”

Also, while it might be able to penetrate kevlar (depending on the angle and distance), it can’t penetrate sapi plates. It just shatters on impact because they’re not designed to penetrate armor

They're okay if they fly the other way.

0/10

I want the shredder bullets

a return check for your dubs, good sir.

Checked.

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I have a Glock 19 with 16 nig-nog no mo’s. So I like them just fine

kek'd 'n' check'd

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They are pretty effective, a cheap federal .22 LR HP round was all it took to kill my uncle when he had a psychotic break and tried to kill me. Wouldn't want to use this round in another scenario but it did its job

They are great for maximum damage to the flesh. Not so much for penetration. Also Trips

hollow points in general trade penetration for larger wound cavities. Think of the bullet parachuting into the body.

Only fact in this dumb thread.

Hydrodynamics force the metal apart like a mushroom, inflicting extremely considerable damage to body tissue.

>spam can shot by fmj .45 and HP .45

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Nice try toiletlips.

Kek. Nice dubs btw

I'm in CA, so the price is all over the place. Got FMJ for around-the-house jokes.

>Less than 1mm of aluminum
>Accurate simulation of armor
Surely this is a joke

Nice for avoiding over penetration. In terms of damage compared to other types, largely overrated.

It’s a pretty good simulation of your stomach or chest after you get shot by a .45 hollow point.

(God forbid..)

The upgrade in damage is usually more than enough to beat almost every enemy in the Mojaves Damage Threshold. Only Deathclaws tend to have enough DT to make them break even with AP rounds

Purpose of a hollow point is to make the bullet disperse all of it's energy on contact. This means maximum damage to the thing you are shooting without the bullet having enough energy to over penetrate and potentially hit something unintentionally. They are less effective against all forms of armor, infact they with be stopped by glass in many cases. All fags who say they are cop killers and armor penetrating are obviously from Europe or are gun control fags.

I see you have also played fallout 2

This here.

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This. If you’re wearing body armor its the best thing you could get shot with. If you’re not, you’re fucked

Found the low info gun-grabber!

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They're pretty great, especially newer ones like HST, Gold Dot and Ranger-T that can go through minor barriers and clothing and still expand reliably.

The technology behind modern bonded jacketed holla tipz to make them extremely reliable and effective while perfectly balancing the energy needed to fully expand and also penetrate precisely to 12-18" in order to get into the chest cavity through barriers and arms is pretty impressive.

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I think if Tony Stark didnt Die at the end of endgame it would have been better

if they cause maximum damage and pierce armor then why are they banned in war?

So many newfriends itt dont get the reference...

>over penetration of target and hitting bystanders
Enjoy your manslaughter charge.

They are police issue due to high stopping power and low penetration. I keep them loaded with hollow points when I'm in the house and solid when I need penetration like for bear defense.

B A S E D
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Sure there is. All police use them. If you want to have a self defense shoot be as clean as is possible you carry a weapon allowed/issued to police officers and you load that weapon with ammunition on the police department's approved list for it's officers. Your first job is to survive, your second job is to make sure your story is the only one that ever ends up in a report, and your third job is to make things difficult for a DA or an ambulance chaser. Hollow points do all three.

And everyone clapped

I use RIP rounds...

Would they still be as effective if filled with cum?

Order online out of state, ask them to double box, fuck the police.

This, but I'd like to add: Anyone who's reloaded - or even studied - knows that it's the simplest of Newtonian physics. Hurl {mass} at {velocity} and it only has that energy given to it. It drops like any dropped object. It penetrates only as much as (m*a)in^2 was given to it. eg. a needle weighs only 2 grams and will pierce any part of your body with 1 ld of pressure, but a 800g lead weight won't penetrate anything without considerable force. A HP is a tradeoff with energy and size, while keeping the aerodynamic profile in flight and expanding in size on impact.
>I know you fags know, for the uninitiated...

splendiferous

Makes people go down almost instantly no mater where you hit them.

Because the use of expanding ammunition is banned by the Hague. The idea is that it creates wounds more likely to kill and that its unsportsmanlike or cruel. Realistically, modern armies have discovered that a dead soldier is just a body on the field while a live one, bleeding out and screaming from a small, clean wound is a massive drain on enemy resources. Hollow points stop one guy from fighting, survivable wounds stop at least two and keep both of them draining resources.

Never seen that graph before. Pretty cool to see the comparisons

No, they would start expanding as soon as they hit a barrier instead of cutting through it and wouldn't penetrate as deeply.

No. If you came in the brass and then clamped the slug down, you'd essentially have a dud, like your dad.

Is this the current rule? It seems that between NATO and and Geneva, the rules keep changing.

user... you're right but it was a pun.

Yeah, its stood since the late 19th century. Nobody really has a motivation to change it, either.

Ahh fuck, thats what I get for posting after working 14 hours.

>Hydrodynamics
hydrodynamics has to do with liquid

small going in, big going out

That's fucking stupid. I'm glad that all these rules get violated regularly and that our soldiers do what needs to be done to equalize the enemy and keep themselves safe.
>read: no one fucking cares when your life is at stake.

fuckin' pretty

fmj is only good for war. too much possibility of bystander casualty otherwise

We're mostly liquid and we're mostly soft tissue. When you're talking about an object striking at likely over 1000 fps you're talking about fluid dynamics.

Even though sped's comment was stupid, it was indirectly correct. Meat is mostly water or viscous tissue.

A bit overrated.

>possibility of bystander casualty

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> being this retarded

see

Are you fucking retarded? You're in a whole thread showing otherwise.

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Some do, some don't. Virtually nobody is going to be using hollow points in the field because its stupid. In a firefight you're generally not wiping an enemy out, you're just trying to get through it. Anyone who has ever been next to a wounded ally knows exactly how much more damaging a guy bleeding out is to both cohesion and morale than a guy who you can't do shit for.

Besides, most of our soldiers don't have the access or inclination to get their shit pushed in over a fucking dumdum round. You're more likely to have some commission cocksucker inspect your shit and flip out than you are to kill some goat herder a little bit deader on the off chance you actually hit someone in the chaos.

Witnessed

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No I get it. But circumstances dictate everything. When you're crawling through a shelled-out city street and there's people shooting at you from hospital rooftops, you don't give a fuck what you throw back.

I had a neighbor who was spec-ops under Bush 1 and his stories - as badass as I thought they would be - depressed me and made me sick. It's more brutal than any movie. It's the reason why my Vietnam vet dad and FIL won't get into detail. It's morally hard to understand. Like a 4-year home invasion. You will do some shit.

Not much good for hunting, as they don't carry energy into the innards very well, and pollute meat with bullet fragments.

Fine for home defense. No one eats niggers anyway.

No. Just.... no.

> (OP)
>They're okay as long as they fly the other was.

Qft

The *surface* of your body. Your vital organs are deeper, and HP won't penetrate for shit.

Best option is soft point with jacketed base, or even Nosler partitions for man size targets.

>HP won't penetrate for shit
That's the point. A 3" hole vs. a .223 hole will be hard to stitch up.
>Nosler
Another good option.

Fuck off spammer

No, he's absolutely correct, unless you're targets aren't potentially armored. FMJ is for reaching through armor and cover. HP just won't.

Are you suggestion a hollow point will hit your skin and bounce off?
If you want something to die, you don't want a bullet to go clean through... you want it to get a few inches in and damage as much as possible.
A HP is made for tearing up the internals of an animal and making sure it dies.
A .22 LR hp will put a person down, easily.

They'll do the job. Godspeed user

Potato

This.
HP is for making sure things die.
FMJ is for penetrating armored/hard targets.
I don't see the argument, you guys appear to be agreeing with each other.

I want to shoot you
Where can I buy nosler minis?

Potato

Okay. How many times are they requested to neutralize the target by spraying through walls and shit? Never.

Yes, you're right that 5.56 fmj is shit for stopping power, but very useful in military engagements because it's primarily a wounding round.

I'll stick with semi-jacketed rounds for most purposes (I mostly hunt) because I've seen dozens of results and they deliver most energy to vital organs. HP can tear up my dinner and pollute it with bullet fragments. Like I said, fine for home defense, because I'm not gonna eat niggers, but still less likely to penetrate to vital organs.

>Where can I buy nosler
Literally anywhere. From bait shops to the internet. And I'm in the Califate, Northern District.

WTF are you talking about?
The US doesn't follow Geneva conventions
Beretta 9mm with hollowpoints are still used by some army and naval officers, most use .45's though
The only rifle/smallarm cartridge not allowed for military use on enemy combatants is a 50 cal.
We get by that bullshit rule by calling it an "anti-vehicle weapon"

I was raised on an island in Alaska, and yes, i absolutely have seen .357 HP slugs peeled off the hide of Grizzlies. They have 3" of bone in the front of their heads. Wadcutters or FMJ are a better choice than HP for penetration, but the best option is a jacketed base and soft point for maximum delivery of energy after penetrating to depth where vital organs are.

Also, nothing smaller than .44 mag for Grizzlies. Never seen any .44 mag round that didn't penetrate.

excellent for large buck negros

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OK. I've been hunting for my dinner since I was in diapers.

You do you though.

The .50 BMG is designed primarily to destroy cover. Cover is a consistent issue in combat, as well as hunting.

It is a constant necessity to penetrate armor and cover in combat. That's why FMJ exists.

Are they worth it? I've been using speer gold dot +p, I've always liked the idea of the RIP rounds

Hollow Points are for humans, most animals have tougher muscle and thicker skin. Like you said FMJ, Semi Wadcutters, Mono, and Bonded is what is appropriate.

What is the argument here?
This thread is full of children that are just yelling at each other over nothing...

Hollow points expand upon entry (anyone that thinks a hp won't penetrate into the body is brain dead) tearing apart the internals of the target. Very useful if you want to put something on the ground quickly. Most choice hunting rounds are hollow, with a polymer tip to maintain aerodynamics while traveling. FMJ is absolutely unacceptable as a hunting round, why would I want to put a 1/4 inch hole clean through an animal? if that 1/4 inch isn't over a vital, the animal will live, possibly for a long time before it bleeds out AND the bullet pass through is a potential hazard.
Even the smallest HP round would ABSOLUTELY be lethal to an unarmored person, our skin is fucking thin and we're basically just sacks of fluid underneath.
And why is anyone even talking about armor? who the fuck is shooting at armored deer?
FMJ - Maximum penetration
HP - Maximum damage
It's really fucking simple.

RIP rounds are fucking retarded.

I need nosler minis though
Can't you read?

We're close enough to agreement on principle for me.

This now /thread

Potato

When the fuck did I say anyhting about grizzlies?
I'm a hunter, if I'm in grizzly territory I have my 12 gauge loaded with 8 slugs on my back at all times.
I grew up, and live, in bear territory, I was not suggesting a 22 hp would kill a bear, I was commenting on dum dums talking about people.

Agreeing in a way that seems like you're contradicting is a great way to troll people.

Not all shots are fired at things you intend to eat, and some of the things that need killing wear armor.

Aw fuck this thread is spread out too much.
According to Geneva (and US military), they aren't supposed to use .50 in close fire. They completely do because they'd rather face a court marshal than be dead. No one really looks into it unless it impacts a bunch of kids or something. .50 are supposed to be for shit like armored vehicle-to-armored vehicle.

Dastardly creations but useful. You don't want the bullet passing through the assailant in the close quarters situation if other people are around.

>slugs peeled off the hide of Grizzlies
No you haven't
Stop lying

>i absolutely have seen .357 HP slugs peeled off the hide of Grizzlies
Potato

Penetrating clean through the abdomen without hitting any vitals =/= die.

They’re effective. That’s why they’re banned by the Geneva convention

so edge
much dark

Agreed

>since I was in diapers
I don't care what you did yesterday
POTATO

>nosler mini
wtf is that? Are you just acting retarded?

It's not a secret. Contact taxidermists in AK.

You want armor piercing not FMJ. FMJ only exists for two reasons.
1) Lead excessivly fouls a barrel when fired super sonic and especially when flying over 2000 fps, so a copper jacket prevents that and they leave a lead core because its way cheaper than having a solid copper bullet.
2) Hougue Convention, militaries can't use bullets that are designed to deform when shot into people.
So FMJ is just the cheapest bullet and used in war because of "reasons"

U need the +lgbt

potatoe

wait, you said .357
no you fucking havent.
Unless you fired for like 500 meters, a .357 HP is piercing a grizzly effortlessly.
.357 is literally the round professionals carry in grizzly territory.

Potato

All true, but FMJ is the poor man's armor piercing round.

a .22? Sure.
.37, not a chance. Unless you pack your own rounds and use no fucking powder.
A .357 hp will put down a grizzly.
Your "ima 9 year old tryna be edgy" is showing.

You laugh but the local chapter of PETA somehow found a way to strap AR500 plates to the whitetails. Jokes on them because I have plenty of 30-06 Black Tip.

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>or even Nosler partitions for man size targets.
I want to shoot you
Need nosler minis

Boiled potato

Care to explain your reasoning?
U wna xplain y u thnk they r gey?

You should hunt them and make bulletproof leather jackets from their skin you fucking retard

i don't need to contact no taxi living dermatologist

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No. Contact AK taxidermists. The fact is that HP .357 rounds expand without penetrating solid objects, and 3" of bone is a solid object. .44 mag has enough energy to penetrate, .357 doesn't.

Look, you'll never need to snapshoot a charging Griz, so it doesn't even matter to you. I lived where they came into town in tough winters and took the dogs off your porch. It mattered to me, and .44 mag makes the question irrelevant anyway. You do you, just don't whine about it if you shoot a charging Griz in the face and he eats you anyway.

Pootattoe

pls tell me this is true

Remain as informed as you are then.

Do not poke the potato

I think u gay

Wait, is this you faggot? You have a distinct heat signature.

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Shut up you dumb potato

Why would you leave your dog outside in winter?
You're a dumb cunt

K

I'm Dan Quayle

>just don't whine about it if you shoot a charging Griz in the face and he eats you anyway.
I won't... for reasons obvious to everybody other than you

Potato

Because dogs are tools, and filthy vermin infested hazards in Alaska. We're not talking about Pomeranians.

>armor piercing
It's the opposite. It's hole-making, dispersing energy. You just read the top and post asshole?

Him think be gay is K
is not K

>can't answer
>just trolling

But you did talk about pomeranians

PETA is the largest animal killer on the planet. You don't need to do anything to kill animals, they'll do it for you.

Too retarded to understand he's retarded

I literally see grizzlies at least once a year.
You don't know who you're talking to.
Grizzlies don't have a solid plate of bone under their hide. A good thing revolvers have more than one round right? Hit a rib with bullet #1? Fire five more.
I have actually shot a charging bear, the sausage is in my freezer (dem berry eating black bears, yum yum), so don't trick yourself into thinking you know who you're talking to.
A .357 will do the trick just fine, unless you have horrible luck or terrible aim. Is it the BEST round for the job? fuck no. Is there maybe a freakish monster grizzly out there that could take a .357 at 5 feet and shrug it off? prolly. But in general, a .357 is likely good enough.
Personally, I don't like to risk bad luck, so as I said before, 12 gauge slugs make me feel real safe on those crisp spring/fall nights when the bears are hungry.

1)Weak penetration.

2) If you have to use RIP ammo for self defense good luck because the ammo is called RIP.

3) if a bad goy is hiding behind even just a car door and you try to shoot at him through the door, those RIP rounds will not penetrate.

The list goes on and on.

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Full Metal Jacketed rounds don't disperse energy efficiently because they don't expand, but, as you state, just poke holes in shit. That's why they're better for military use, as necessary for penetrating cover and armor, and for wounding, which is desirable in battle, for reasons pointed out earlier in the thread.

Expanding rounds disperse energy, rather than just poke holes in shit, but that also prevents them from penetrating armor or cover as well. I'm not a military fag, but a hunter, so don't use FMJ at all. It's fine for target practice with 5.56 or 7.62 because you can get milsurp cheap, but that's all I'd use it for, and I'd dial in with proper expanding hunting rounds before the hunt anyway - and not HP for hunting ever. Might as well use birdshot on big game, because of the damage to the meat.

Bears r bulletproof user
I no bcos I'm smrt

Jesus you're stupid.

There are two things a bullet can do when it enters the body: penetrate or expand. No bullet can do both efficiently. All rounds are designed to do one or the other.

Hollow points are designed to expand, not penetrate. Think of it this way (got this from an old GI Joe filecard back in the day): it'll make an entry wound the size of a pencil eraser and an exit wound the size of a frozen pot pie.

But it won't penetrate body armor. It'll just expand on impact & fall away harmlessly. Hollow point rounds are only dangerous if they impact soft tissue.

Hard point rounds, OTOH, can and, depending on the caliber & velocity, WILL penetrate body armor. But what it won't do is expand upon impact like a hollow point does. That's why there are no hollow point rounds for rifles; because rifles send rounds downrange w/ much greater velocity & accuracy, the damage they could cause would be catastrophic.

Breaks down like this: rifles fire rounds that penetrate their target (and usually that's all the damage you need). Pistols/submachine guns (which are 2-handed weapons that fire rounds made to be fired from a pistol) can fire rounds that penetrate, but they can also fire rounds that expand upon impact. The ability to expand on impact is to compensate for the lack of velocity compared to a rifle.

Thus endeth the lesson.

Only as a metaphor for the size of your dick in relation to normal sized dogs.

>infested
>alaska
You're RP is showing.
Cold climates kill off parasites and most infections, that's why it;s best to hunt rabbit in winter, you KNOW they have no ticks/tularemia

Texted my AK hunting (and sells guns) bro. 357 is a maybe, but not a good bet. 44mag and 10mm are the two most common, followed by 12ga slugs.

>1)Weak penetration.
Your penis

Naw, your'e that faggot that posts in all these things.

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Okay, whatever fggt... you asked I told you.
Enjoy your CNC machined weak and retarded bullets.

Potato

Damn. Your list of "three jobs" was spot-fucking-on.

But it's a shame you missed the pun. Was pretty on-point.

Talks about dicks
GAY!

1&3 were the same thing
2 if I'm using hollow points or these for self defense I'm going for a kill shot

That's why I alternate FMJ and HP rounds in the magazine.

They sure as fuck do have a solid forehead, and it is literally 3" thick, and will stop a HP .357 slug.

As I have repeatedly said, don't sperg your ignorance at me when all you have to do is ask actual taxidermists where Grizzlies are common and aggressive enough to be shot in self defense. That ain't Montana where you might see one.

It's in Alaska where we have to fish next to them on creeks every.fucking.day.

I was the one that asked, not that dickhead

>Alaska
So you're a registered sex offender.

I didn't ask, I only ridiculed
Limp penis angery gay man

l caught a coup[e.. no big deal

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It’s a shit round...
Go to /k/ and ask them about that ammo if you want.

ORRRR do your own reasearch Mr autismo.

>literally 3" thick
it literally isnt

All true, except that hunting rounds are generally soft pointed so they do expand after penetration, and have a jacketed base for various reasons, but primarily so the bullet doesn't fragment and destroy meat.

You asked for anal sex you gay cunt

Yes

Potato

No ticks, but plenty of fleas in Alaska. Alaskans have dogs for reasons besides they make good pets, and keep dogs that tolerate the outdoors even in sub zero temps.

no one said .357 is the best, but will it kill a grizzly? fuck yes it will. Is it the best bet? fucking no.
44mag is most common, cuz handgun. It's easy to carry.
I carry a 12 gauge with slugs, leave nothing to luck.
a .357 bouncing off a grizzlies hide is laughable...

It's damn near the only reason anyone would move to Alaska.

Wise man.

Why is it always autism or faggot for asking a question? From the research and ballistic testing I've seen they seem like a decent round. The only people who really hate on them are guys over 40 who think the only gun to carry is a full size 1911

Yeah, "bouncing" is stupid. I take that at a non-mortal wound. I guess some fucks think it's like shooting Robocop.

potato

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Ok retard. You've never held a Grizzly skull in your hands, so you're the expert.

Hell, you can beat a Grizzly to death with a stick. The point I made - the only point - is that their skull is 3" thick in the forehead, and that's the middle of what's charging at you when you need to stop one.
Just use a .44 mag.

potato

Holy fuck. That place is dirty as hell, as in real dirt and rocks. They have a drunk-bus that drives around because there's so many drunks. Come sundown (1am) the Eskimo hookers come out. Fucking leopard pants and a full gulag outfit up top, doing these "I gotta stay warm" dances on the sidewalk. It's beautiful to visit, but a week is all you need.

REEEEEEEEEEEE
bears are bulletproof because I said so now stop lying and making fun of me

>They sure as fuck do have a solid forehead, and it is literally 3" thick, and will stop a HP .357 slug.

.7 inches thick.
I don't care how many times you say Alaska, I grew up eating animals, including bears, I shot myself.
Bone isn't steel, it isn't indestructible, and a grizzlies skull isn't fucking 3" thick,m and even if it was, a .357 Hp at 5 feet would still penetrate, especially 6 of em. AND, that only matter if you hit the fucking thing square in the middle of the forehead, not in say, the fucking eye, or nose, or mouth, or neck, or chest, where the is no magical 1km thick bone armor.

How olds your daughter?

Potato

>fleas
>sub zero temps
I live in sub zero temps, virtually year round. You know what the HUGE perk is? There are 0 bugs.

She would be 28 if she hadn't been aborted.

GAY dick discussing potato

I heard there are fleas.

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>sounds like you dodged a bullet.

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First deer I ever shot the bullet bounced off it's forehead, and that was a rifle round.

Laugh away, because I am laughing at your ignorance. Shit happens, and you can ignore folks to your heart's content and at your personal peril. It really doesn't matter, because you'll never get out of your mother's basement anyway.

You are getting angery at facts.
Bear skull bone is not 3 inches thick

Yeah, and her would be mom is dying of breast cancer.

>0 bugs
I envy you, except the -0 part.

It's not though
You rang about only making ONE point, and it's not even true
Potato

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I don't care about the black bear you shot. Good for you. I stated my experience, and the fuck you say Grizzly have a half inch thick skull. Believe what you want and live the results.

I'm alive because I learned from my experiences. That matters to me, and your sperging ignorance doesn't.

Way to miss the point. Any bullet can glance at the right angle. user said, "Bouncing off a Grizzly's head is laughable.", like it's somehow armor plated.

Here is your guaranteed reply

Bear skull are 20 feet thick and their skin is bulletproof
Stop lying

I carry H&K
I am a 34 year old who has looked into RIP ammo, I thought it was unique and possible great ammunition but I did some research... If you ever have to use the bullet in self defense and have to stand trial in front of 20 (usually gun retarded) jurors and have to explain to them why you carried “RIP” ammunition in your pistol, good luck not coming across like a cold blooded killer.

Again penetration and the name of the ammo makes it horrid above all.

But you live there

Not in doggy beds, and especially not in a nice warm house. Jesus, are there nothing but ignorant retards on Yea Forums anymore? There are fleas in Alaska.

potato

I'm gonna sell a bullet called pink fluffy bunnies

Ironic vegetable

Show me the pic of the one you measured.

Your book learning is showing boy.

Potato

You’re missing the point with how jurors interrupt a bullet that is literally called RIP
Use yer fuckin’ noodle mate.

run .45 ball ammo.

feeds better, recoil is smoother.

I'm not arguing with a potato anymore. I hope you enjoyed trolling me.

Why are there a bunch of murderers, sex offenders and generally shady types living there?

exactly, Imma sell a similar bullet called pink fluffy bunnies or totally harmless

Finally a fucking good answer, never really considered the whole juror thing. Cops carry gold dots so that's far more understandable to carry them

Good point. Agreed.

Iconic vegetable

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Repeating words you learn is a symptom of autism

Show me the pic of the one you measured.

Shut up faggot
You didn't find a magical bear
Stop talking shit

Potato

>Merely pretending

You haven't posted a pic if your 3 inch thick bear skull, so by your own logic, it doesn't exist

H&K goy here.

Yes exactly.
I saw a man on trial that was getting hounded by the DA for carrying “hydroshock hollow points”
Imagine ammo called “RIP”

Did I mention the penetration is shit??
...Oh I did...

Not surprised you won't argue anymore considering what you claim is not true, or even within the scope of reality

Potato

Calling out bullshit is trolling?

Would be totally harmless to a bear
They're bulletproof

They ain’t flame retardant or explosive proof

Stfu
I want everyone to know I Got the reference because it make me smrt

Kek

I keep my 9 mm loaded with a backup clip for the house and also use it when backpacking.

They have bulletproof skin and 10 foot thick armour plated bones
They might be explosion proof

Potato

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Not a hunter so I didn't know that. I am an 82nd Airborne veteran though, and I have a CCP (9mm H&K), so I do have experience with both round types.

Plus I'm a liberal. Go figure.

That's the gayest fucking thing I've ever seen. How dare you make the 13 gauge slug look like a tiny cavity for your pencil dick. The 12 gauge slug is one of the most destructive things to a man's flesh. You stupid fucking cunt.

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Welfare queen

Harmless to bears though

peels right off their hide.

Why would you want hollow points when you can get solid points for the same price and get more bullet.

Checkmate Faggots.

That's what i have loaded in my glock 21, damn good ammunition

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Reduce collateral damage