Don't tell me owning a gun doesn't increase suicide risk. It's not like other suicide methods...

guns are fast though

Overdoses are usually just atempts while guns nearly always work

I've been suicidal. I don't really care, to be honest. There's this perception out there that suicide is somehow involuntary. That people are victims of it.

I'm not a fucking victim of it. If I wanted to kill myself, truly wanted to, then I would. It's a decision, a decision made with the same care as any other decision an individual makes. Some people are more impulsive. Some people are more thoughtful.

Ultimately, if you decide to kill yourself, then YOU are responsible.

yeah, but he said the same thing, so?!

Quickly paralyze or mentally disable yourself. Cool. Attempted suicide with a gun has a 20% chance of something like this. If you do an exit bag properly where no one will find you, you're fucking done. Period.

>guns just have a higher success rate
>just
Hes trying to minimize it. I'd much rather have people attempt to overdose then straight-up shoot themselves.

>Overdoses are usually just atempts while guns nearly always work
Nearly..

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Hurr durrr guns are bad you'll kill yourself don't buy em.
How about don't be a sad sack faggot.

cuz surviving a suicide attempt is a good thing right

Because not surviving a suicide attempt is even better right

yes

Could have been mentally healthy before purchasing the gun

So you like it when people die from suicide

I like people to have the right to decide what to do and how to end their life.

With other methods, there is the very really possibility of survival with crippling consequences.

Right. Get out of of here with that libertarian bullshit. It's all fun and games until it's someone you love kills themselves with drugs or pills. I don't want to get into it but it's happened to me and if it ever happened to you, you wouldn't be saying stuff like this

>Someone I know killed themselves with a gun and because I can't reconcile the fact that I alone wasn't important enough to them to stop them from feeling a life crippling and eventual terminal amount of suffering. So to compensate for my 1 part wounded ego and 1 part grieving, I blame the firearms industry for what is ultimately and obviously a mental health issue and therefore a problem for healthcare.

FTFY

not what im saying. surviving suicide attempts make people feel even worse about their life. they just keep suffering until they finally successfully kill themselves.

Protip: Suicide is the single most innate, inherent, and inalienable human right there is.

Who are you to take away someone's right to end their life?
What happened to "my body, my right"?

>Don't tell me owning a gun doesn't increase suicide risk.

this is common knowledge. More police officers kill themselves with tier own guns than shoot other people.

Post like this can't be taken seriously because they were written by someone who hasnt experienced it themselves.

same

That's unfair. they were going to kill themselves either way or live out their lives. If you think the latter has never happened or doesn't continue to happen you're out of touch

>could have bought the gun when you weren't suicidal but then developed clinical depression

"clinical depression" and being suicidal are two different things first of all. you can be depressed and not be suicidal.

my grandfather owned multiple guns for a very long time and suffered from extreme depression. he died of leukemia two summers ago, not by suicide. unless you want to show me statistics showing a correlation between gun ownership and suicide, i'm going to call you out and say you're b8ing.

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Youre bringing up statistics and backing it up with an antidote about your grandfather and I'm the one who's baiting

Surviving a suicide attempt with a gun is a horrific thing. Surviving suicide attempt by many other means is much less awful

Posts like this can't be taken seriously unless they were written by someone who conceptually can't imagine/relate to true human suffering. Someone who's never felt the very real consequences of having a chemistry-based malfunction in your brain, that causes nearly every waking moment of your life to be filled by an allconsuming feeling of inadequacy, self doubt, hatred for others, increasing lonliness and iniability to relate or connect.
I won't even get into the subject of people who are in real physical pain, from illness or diablity, and are in a place where they feel their quality of life no longer justifies the struggle to continue living.

I empathize with where you're coming from man, but what you're saying is a neejerk reaction from your Ego unable to accept that another's Id was feeling so much pain that you weren't enough to stop it.

Don't be a cynic about it, it's not a tragedy whoever you knew killed themselves, they finally ended their suffering and found peace.

You're the one feeling the emotional pain now, not them.

Tengentially, it's kinda the same thng as white people getting offended on behalf of minorities they believe have been wronged somehow on tumblr. It's just not your fight man, so why interject yourself?

This guy gets it
>don't be a cynic about it
>no longer justifies the struggle
That's pretty damn cynical to me. I subscribed to a different mentality. That maybe we can prevent shit like this and help them instead of just letting them freaking kill themselves

The whole point i'm trying to make here is, your entire argument comes from a selfish place. 'You wouldn't say people should be allowed the right to end their lives if you knew how sad it might make /you/ one day." I don't care how sad I feel, if someone I know is going through emotional agony so intense on a daily basis that their Id is able to overcome not only the superficial 'But what about XYZ' of the Ego, but the literal animal instinct wired into our SuperEgo, survival, fight or flight.

If you are in so much pain that 1/3rd of your brain is able to overcome TWO built in fail safes in our brain, you shouldn't feel guilty or like the bad guy for wanting to/actually killing yourself.

And for the record, this is coming from someone with diagnosed depression, who does indeed know what blued steel tastes like; Not just random speculation and conjecture.

I love when people use big words they can't spell and don't understand.

I love when idiots get baced into a corner and resort to standard issue strawman arguments or just straight up unrelated character attacks.

Stay classy.

Obviously their selfishness to it but that doesn't make it 100% selfish. There's other elements especially because I want this for strangers. I don't have any emotional attachments to strangers. My whole point is that I genuinely believe through medication and therapy there are ways to live a happy life. If people around them think it's okay to give up then they won't ever believe in the possibility of a happy life which will help solidify that self-fulfilling prophecy further

Living in an apartment increases suicide risk because you have access to a tall building. One leap and it's done. Don't rent apartments.

OP is retarded

I get what you're saying for the record, also I do realise the irony in my argument for selfishness, as one of the main taglines for suicide prevention groups is that to commit suicide is a selfish and permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Ultimately, there just is no black and white, yes or no, right or wrong when it comes to suicide. That's all I try to et people to realize. It's not always this cut and dry 'Suicide Is wrong, anyone who thinks otherwise is a monster.'

She's a tricky bitch, life. Doesn't care much for neat, simple, easy to read morals either, y'know?

There's definitely something to be said for the attitude of those they confide in around them. But i'll also say that that can vary oodles person to person y'know? Like, the closest I ever got to properly ending shit was when I was surrounded by only people who were fervently 100% in the motivational kitten 'Just Hang in There' camp. And n a counterintuitive way, having no one who really gets it, no other depressed person with the same inky black humor who can joke around about how you really feel with, w/o causing a panic from friends/family, can make it worse.

That's really the only reason I pop in these threads to give my spiel/take.On the chance I can give someone somebody to talk to who can relate, hopefully preventing them from topping themselves. Yet never actually asking/telling/guilting them not to.

I know you think you're hot shit but it's still harder than a gun. If you keep it already loaded somewhere it's just a trigger pull. With an apartment you would have to at least open a window and climb on a ledge or climb over something then look down and then jump which is more steps

Clown world.

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overdoses are for attention who rest that don't even have the guts to pull trough.
Either you suicide or you don't. There's no "failing"

>Willful ignorance of the human condition
>Can't understand the difference between the dictionary definition of a verb and a mental illness
>100% Autism

Okay what's the story here? Reverse image search just brings up Michael Jackson

Moron