New Zealand has a gun massacre with 50 people dead

>New Zealand has a gun massacre with 50 people dead
>Semi auto rifle used with high capacity mags
>It has been 22 years since the last gun massacaare in NZ
>NZ bans semi auto rifles and high capacity mags a week later
>For the US, in just 5 years there have been 1900 deaths in mass shootings
>USA 5 years: 1900 gun deaths compared to 22 years and 50 gun deaths for NZ
It's so fucking dumb the US allows people to own such weapons. The Second Amendment was written in a time when people had muskets, not guns that can kill multiple people in a few seconds - you don't need semi auto rifles or high cap magazines.

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saged

but it's like having two cocks. If one of your cocks could kill someone, so freedom.

most of the weapons used in mass shotings were owned illegaly anyways, a ban on long guns wouldn't change anything.

First off, saged and pasted. Retard.
Anyways, the NZ govt is nowhere near the strength of the U.S and never has had the strength the U.S has. You realize they have the most powerful military on earth with the most consistent advanced technology. The people can barely rise up against a corrupt government as is. While people in New Zealand still can due to the ineffectiveness of NZ's military. The U.S is a ginormous threat to the people that it protects if it were to suddenly become more corrupt than it already is. Which is why such guns are necessary, for defense purposes.

Are you aware that rednecks and their nice guns would be eradicated without much effort ? I mean, the government wants to rule people - because without people to govern, it's not much of a government anyway, and it cannot leech on them.

However, if, to be able to keep 50% of the population, it needs to kill the other 50%, it will do it. Because the people at the top won't care for the casulaties, they only care for power and money.

So, the real chance people have if the governement is this corrupt, is to have the army side with them. For that, you do not need weapons, you need to convince the army that they should rally the people. And you usually do NOT do that by shooting them dead - because, usually, that's all the incentive they need to fire back, even if they had moral qualms before.

Which means that your guns are useless against the government, and that you're better off NOT using them against the army.

So, all in all, your guns are mere toys. Consider, now, the increased crime rate BECAUSE guns are so easy to find. Consider, too, how the police is used to shoot at the slightest DOUBT that there might be a weapon. All because they are so common.

In France, in the UK, in Spain, in Germany... well, in all the non-moronic countries, really, the police usually do NOT use their guns. And when they do, they have to prove there was a real threat, etc.

How much more likely are you to get shot because of the 2nd amendment, than you are to really need this weapon to protect yourself ?


Ponder that, and maybe you'll change your mind

seen this posted everywhere, I hope you're family gets massacred then make you watch while they fuck the bullet holes in your family members

I'll give him a 9.7 for mental gymnastics there. That's some seriously impressive triple backflip with handstand on the pommel-horse there.

Bears no resemblance to reality for anything other than an american gun-obsessive, but, that wasnt exactly unexpected.

>The Second Amendment was written in a time when people had muskets
Yes user, cause there was clearly no firearms invented at the time that held/shit more than one round...oh wait, there was, shit like the puckle gun that held multiple rounds, could blast them all off in seconds. Was also created 70 yrs before the 2nd amendment was ever created.

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6 Million More OP

Bog boy version of it too. Dont forget that Jefferson was also a big fan of firearms, so much so he had his ship decked out with them, so he can kill pirates.

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> Increase in crime rate due to easy guns
You mean our high crime rate due to niggers, right?
>Kill off 50% of an armed populace that outnumbers the US military
Does it sound easier when I put like that?
> Have the army side with them
Most likely the higher ups would but a fair amount of the peons might would coup
>Don’t need weapons if the army sides with the people
More combatants the better, and if they don’t side with the people asymmetrical warfare is surprisingly effective against any military
>Weapons are useless
How?

I’m also gonna assume that you’re British since you don’t seem to know too much about the US, if you are a britcuck then you do realize the Second Amendment exists because of you guys.

the people at the top won't care. But the soldiers do. The government is only as strong as people are loyal.And if the military doesn't wants to kill its own people what will they do?
Call in the military? kek
we're still humans despite all that weapon tech

Private citizens used to be allowed to own warships and cannons if I remember correctly, and if the 2nd Amendment doesn’t apply to modern firearms than the first doesn’t apply to phones

Save a lot more lives banning alcohol, tobacco or cars. Let's just start with McDonalds

1st was written when people were used handwritten documents... must be banned now when we have computers ...your reasoning is as stupid as you are

If New Zealand jumped off a bridge. Would you do it too?
Move there if you like it so much. Kiwifag.

You sound like a faggot. Guns aren’t the problem. Mental health is. If you disagree you have poor mental health and a low IQ. We need to help the way people think to not make them want to kill people, the guns have nothing to do with it.

Israel faced school shootings constantly not too long ago. In response they put armed security in and around the schools, along with arming teachers and teaching the students ways to fight back and escape.

A school hasn't been shot up since.

It's nearly impossible to (legally) get a firearm in France, yet ISIS walked into a concert with fully automatic AKs and killed 300 people.

Banning guns ain't gonna fix shit.

Besides, I can make an AK-47 out of spare parts if I wanted too. Instructions are right there on the internet.

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>You mean our high crime rate due to niggers, right?
No, I don't. First, the crime rate is not "due to niggers". I realize that there are probably much more "nigger criminals" than white trash criminals, or beaners, chinks, amerindians, or whatever else criminals.
But you have to realize that, overall, the "niggers" are also more prone to living in empoverished areas, where education is lacking, job prospects aren't that great, drugs are everywhere, etc.

Now, believe it or not, but it's often the poor and less educated fringes of society which engage in crime. So, have rich educated black people, and they might become, say, POTUS, instead of drug dealers, homies, and other nigger trash.

Now, as for the crime rate, guns don't honestly raise that. You can still have rapes with the threat of a blade, or by mere body strength. You can still have robberies, or murders.
What increases with guns is the VIOLENCE during crimes (or even felonies, sometime). You're much more likely to die during a crime in the US that you are in Europe, or in Japan, or in most other places on Earth. I said *most*, there ARE obviously worse shitholes than the USA - the favellas in Brasil come to mind, of course, along with others. But my point stands: By making everyone more nervous, expecting to have to shoot first in order not to die, it DOES make these situations much deadlier. Which is, frankly, not the best deal you can get.

>>Kill off 50% of an armed populace that outnumbers the US military
>Does it sound easier when I put like that?
Nope. But it doesn't sound harder. Pray tell me, good sir, how many redneck militias have their own attack helicopters ? How many of them can hide against IR cameras, from 2 miles away, while getting mowed down by a minigun ?

How many militias would be able to perforate the armor of an Abrams battle tank ? Or, honestly, how many would survive a bombing by artillery and/or airforce ?

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The only thing protecting insurgents is when you DO care about the population. So, if you're willing to sacrifice it to make an example for the rest of them, it's pretty easy to get rid of humans. Ridiculously so, even. Civilians don't stand a chance.


I'm French, by the way. But I know that asymetrical warfare only works with guerilla tactics. Guerilla tactics worked in Vietnam, because there were no ways to locate the enemy.

Guerilla tactics work in the middle east, where people aren't willing to fully raze an area.

In the US, if I'm not wrong, there are some very densely populated areas, mostly around the coasts, and some very scantly populated areas in the middle.

Well, the government would only have to hold the densely populated areas, and leave the opposition to flee to the rural areas. And then, crush any concentrated opposition they can spot using satellites or other spying means. And they're VERY good at spotting threats.

saged
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I know, a government is nothing without its supporters. But look at the "Gilets Jaunes" movement, in France (yellow jackets). The government maimed, even killed some unarmed protesters. There have been some (faint) protests from within the ranks, but not that much.

It's HARD to get the army or the police to revolt, and side with the people. True, slaughtering the population MIGHT change their minds, and tip the scales. But there are always people choosing to side with the "winner", or looking to profit from the situation.

What I'm saying is that against the advanced weaponry available to the military, the "toys" available to the civilians won't change the odds. Either the military sides with them (at least a decent chunk of it), and yes, it's a civil war, but the people have a chance. Or it does not, and the people will be crushed, weapons or not.

Considering that the 2nd Amendment was there to prevent abuse by the government, I'd argue it doesn't work anymore. Either let civilians buy and/or produce military quality heavy equipment, to REALLY offset the government advantage, or don't bother, and stop with the small arms. Because, as it is, it is doing more harm than it does good.

1st, just because the are impoverished doesn’t excuse them from committing major crimes like murder. They still account for a majority of the crime within the United States meaning that the problem is inherently them, being only about 13% of the population and consisting of over 50% of the crime is wildly disproportional and still inexcusable. If the crimes were things like voluntary prostitution that would be more understandable but being a minority and making up over 50% of crime is not okay. So yes, the problem with crime is still largely a problem with blacks. As for your arguments about guns, if I remember correctly more people are stabbed to death in the US than are shot.
>Guns don’t honestly raise that
Correct. They actually decrease violent crime in areas with high legal gun ownership.
>IR cameras, while mowed down by machine guns
Tell me how that went in Afghanistan. I think your knowledge of asymmetrical warfare is lacking
>Perforate the armor of an Abrams
Molotov cocktails or IEDs seem to work pretty well, just ask the taliban
>Bombing
Do you really think the US would bomb civilian areas in its own country, all that would make is martyrs, also you don’t have to destroy a flying copter, just take an airfield or sabotage it on the ground.

Wrong again libtard the second amendment was made to allow the people to defend against a tyrannical government the soldiers and civilians carried the same weapon so as to level the playing field

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So you think that the government is unwilling to raze towns of sovereigns but not of its own?

Those rural places are the same that would fight back, they are also the ones with oil fields, farms, etc. You also seem to think this would be pitched battles, which it wouldn’t, it would be a messy guerilla war that would cost an immense amount of money, time and manpower.

Oh, look, another retard who understands nothing has come to bloviate!

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I'm not saying it excuses the behavior. I'm saying it's a recurring trend. It makes sense, really: When you are rich (or, at least, well-off), you're not that inclined to risk your good, or correct, life, in a gamble.

Now, if you're poor, unemployable, considered (maybe rightly so) as shit, and have no reasonable prospects of seeing your life get better... well, it makes sense to me that some people in this kind of situation would turn to crime in order to try and selfishly better their own situation.

As for asymetrical warfare, I'm pretty sure most armored vehicles resist molotov cocktails, nowadays. Sure, a well-placed mine, or well-thrown satchel charge, can work wonders. But this doesn't change the fact that the military have many things the civilians won't have, or won't have in sufficient quantities. Nightvision, for instance. Or gas masks, or chemical weapons, etc.

Having your own AR-15, or even Barrett .50, won't help if they use their big toys.

Laughing at all the care bears thinking they can remove the 100 million guns in America with just words... jump on the wagon and protect your family or else keep on relying on others all your life to do it for you... cops avg response time is 12 mins. A lot can happen in that time...

Let me get the folder of old guns I have
Thank you for posting this picture, I will be adding it to said folder

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This is a volley gun user. Its job was to replace the need for more men (or guns) to be able to fire and kill the opposing side

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Dumb arguement. Per 1000 people there is more crime in New Zealand overall. You are comparing a population of 4.3 million people (NZ) to 316.6 million (US).

That's cos NZ is a bunch of pussy ass socialist cucks...and you prolly wish you lived in America you fucking loser...

You are just thinking like that because it happened on the only day that all muzzies left their suicide vests at home.

The United States does not have the most mass shootings Norway does. When adjusted for the population the US doesn't even break the top ten. Also, most shootings are committed with Handguns not Rifles. In cities with lax gun laws, the crime rate is lower compared to cities with strict gun laws. Also, the average death toll with a cop stopping the shooting is about 14 compared to 1 or 2 when an armed citizen stops the attack. Also, high capacity magazines have jack shit to do with the death toll. The Parkland Shooter used Ten round magazines and was able to kill 17 people. Also most shootings from 2000-2018 used Handguns with magazines under 15 or Ten Rounds. Virginia Tec being a notable example, The fact is the United States does not have more mass shootings in the world.

Somebody post the based Jap screenshot to destroy this fucking retard.

Amerifats: Never NEVER give up your right to bear arms. You're a wonderful people. God Bless the USA.

Haha...ive never wanted to live in US...fuck that

yea but guns are fun so who cares if a few niggers kill eachother hither and thither

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>But you have to realize that, overall, the "niggers" are also more prone to living in empoverished areas, where education is lacking, job prospects aren't that great, drugs are everywhere, etc.
>Now, believe it or not, but it's often the poor and less educated fringes of society which engage in crime. So, have rich educated black people, and they might become, say, POTUS, instead of drug dealers, homies, and other nigger trash.

Goddamn you're a naive bluepilled faggot.

You're much more likely to die during a crime in the US that you are in Europe, or in Japan, or in most other places on Earth. I said *most*, there ARE obviously worse shitholes than the USA - the favellas in Brasil come to mind, of course, along with others.
I wonder why: Oh yeah NIGGERS

How many militias would be able to perforate the armor of an Abrams battle tank ? Or, honestly, how many would survive a bombing by artillery and/or airforce ?
Retard look what happened in Iraq. And to think the US Army would turn their weapons on their friends and family is dumb as fuck. An armed citizenry is in a far better position than an unarmed citizenry when it comes to protecting rights or guerrilla warfare. Your leftist whingeing about crime or mass shootings is the sign of a weak mentality. If you want Americans to give up their guns, go and take them you fucking pussy. See what happens.

Never change, America.

Yay gun faggot bait thread! So rare! These almost never get posted! Wow! So original! Much bait! Wow!

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>I'm French, by the way

HAHAHAHAHAHA This explains everything. Keep waving that white flag while your ethnic population dies off and your towns and cities turn Islamic.

There have been a few mass shootings in France in recent years so your gun laws haven't done shit you windowlicking retard. You should go now. I think Muhammad just nutted in your wife. Time to clean up you pathetic cuck frog.

Hi Ben, Nice to hear from you!
Totally correct as usual.