What is Yea Forums's opinion on Ben Shaprio?

So,who woul you really say has " the pulse" on americas thoughts?

Cricket cricket... seems like everyone wants to yell shit out. But no one will express their side in an adult fashion.

he is a master debater

Heres your chance

Fuck him he's dumb but let me fuck his sister cuz she's hotter than the oven her ancestors were put in.

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We aren't all the same, how is one person going to speak for us all? Ben Shapiro definitely speaks for me. This country is getting too weak and dumb.

Go on...

I don't want to be forced to use made up terms people use to identify with. How is it assault if I call them otherwise? Poor people need to get their shit together. Black people need to stop blaming white people.

He's good at arguing with unprepared normie liberal college students by talking fast and shitting out false equivalencies. When he's arguing someone who's actually done their homework on a certain topic, you realize he's nothing special.

Again..go on..

youtu.be/Nb-o6NZiWrw

Who has he done this with? Can you provide a link? I would like to listen

You all do realize that Ben is a Jew.

I'm not whoever else you were talking to, but here you go

That is 45 min, definitely added to my playlist. Thank you. Care to provide cliff notes?

He's pro-Israel. By definition, he's an enemy of the public

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Here

Throw all the Jews down the well. Except for the this one.

Can you explain your take from the discussion?

So..OP here..I really dont care about left or right. I go to work, take care of my family. Just seen a vid of him. What is his true stance on us commen people?

Tell me why that matters.
The floor is yours

Hard to summarize the whole thing, but essentially Ben is arguing that Western morality comes from a judeo-christian source (read: the Bible) and that morality needs to come from a divine source. Sam essentially points out that morality preceded the Bible and that the Bible is riddled with questionable, immoral passages.

I don't care about left or right either, until they start forcing shit on society that I don't approve. Trans mental people not heroes. I'm not going to call a man a woman. I'm not going to a gay wedding and I don't believe everyone who is too lazy to get a job, deserves free money.

Ben is arguing that so-called judeo-christian morals are Superior and why Western Civilization is the success it is. Sam points out the issues and inaccuracies in that argument

Thank you. I remember portions of that from the Rogan podcast with Ben, but it would be great to have that elaborated, I'll definitely be watching that video tomorrow with headphones

Ill have to watch that later.btw OP here

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let's see your Doctorate's then

Is there anyone who intelligently debates a different topic with Ben? Religion doesn't really affect me, most of the people into that generally try and do right.

> "Facts and logic"
> Christian

lel what a retard

Do you have gay friends user?

I'm mostly interested in the people debating mental illness via gender identity, abortion, gay marriage, well fare and illegal immigrants.

>250 million adults in USA
>it's possible to pay 250 BILLION a MONTH

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No I don't, i wouldn't stop being their friend if one was a faggot. But I would not go to their marriage either. I'm very open in expressing my beliefs. But I will not force them on others

those are some huge facts and logic

Again, people shouting shit out like assholes. Please say what you would like, it's not that hard to form a sentence

Ok..nothing wrong with that

ContraPoints

Thank you. What is your view on "white privilege"?

That one, right now, on the money.

He's got a good grip on economics as well as social issues. However, he will always cling to how jews are victimized and that will always take presidance over anything else.

Well, it was possible to pay 6 trillion $ on wars in the middle east over the last 18 years, so why not? at least in UBI's case the money goes back to america

This is not OP, I'm just interested in talking about this. It's not possible to do this in public without a sjw shit fest. Don't do Facebook, that would just be another shit fest

Again..OP hereHow do I figure out if Im left or right, based on my belifes

How so? The last 3hr conversation I heard didn't have any of that in it. Can you provide a video for my playlist?

The problem with white privilege is that it is not truly definable. What percentage of success does any white person attribute to privilege? On top of that, what are white people supposed to do about it? Pay some sort of tax? Which then is a tax on a certain race, which then becomes the most racist thing ever put into law of enacted anywhere. So what is the fucking point?

You don't have to be either, don't take part in that shit. Have your beliefs, take care of yourself, family and community.

Any of his reoccurring points about how badly jews are treated? Is that what you are looking for?

Political compass. Google it

I try

I will and 88 checked

I think the other side of that argument is, those who are not white. Might come from a less than ideal household. Two parents, food on the table, parent/s with a job. Would that make it easier to succeed having a start like that?

Yes, I would like to listen to that point. And the part where the treatment of Jews in the past take priority.

It is

I'm not saying that everyone has the exact same opportunities and backgrounds by any means. Does that make it easier? Sure. But wouldn't the fault then lie with your own culture and upbringing and not with other races who have different priorities? I'm a white guy, I have a four year old son, my wife stays home because I have a full time job and he gets to be home schooled and get a great education from my wife who has multiple degrees. Can everyone provide their children the same luxuries? Of course not, but does that mean that mean my son should lose his?

Op here.
Happy to see a good thread on here

My other view of this same argument.. Everyone knows right from wrong, we all know not to hurt others, to listen to the police, don't steal, support your kids and if you make mistakes or commit a crime there will be consequences. The color of your skin has nothing to do with that

I don't have a video that is a compilation of all this, but look midway through this article and it's a quote from him that basically says he pities catholics for getting the same treatment the jews have got.

lifesitenews.com/news/ben-shapiro-this-time-leftist-radicals-are-coming-for-catholics-first

I agree with you, that post was mine. I feel like I need to be able to argue both sides, in order to have an opinion on one. Thanks for the great replies. I actually turned my Xbox off

This guy gets it

One quote? I don't understand how that makes the treatment of Jews in the past take priority. I'm still objectively listening if you care to elaborate

My only point is that race has nothing to do with it. The problem is culture. And if you do the research black families actually started getting broken up after Civil rights laws were enacted. That's when black fathers began to leave their families. Those are facts, not racists statements. There can be a problem within a certain culture and always exceptions to the rules. But not everything has to be viewed through a racial lens.

Thanks user. There are some shitty episodes but listening to the Joe Rogan podcast really helped change my view on life. I always knew right from wrong, but now I think a little more before I speak.

I understand that I only provided one quote. But nobody has, as of yet, take the hours and hours of his lectures, q and a, and his show and complied it specifically to show his continuous affliction towards sympathy for the Jewish people (for lack of better word) I hate when people use nothing but anecdotal evidence but as of now that's all I can point to. I have seen many of his articles and comments and they can come down to that. Check him out on Dr phil. That's one that comes to mind.

Any others?

Hes a fucking Melvin that thinks hes a Chad and his 15 yr old fanbase thinks liking him makes them intellectual.

Hes just a fast talking player of the emotional strings of someone looking for someone on the internet latch on to.

Just like Trump. No substance but hates the same people a lot of worthless fucks hate so they feel validated.

that's not her you faggot

I'll listen a little more carefully and try and see if I can pick up on that now that I'm aware. I just haven't heard anything thus far.

Chill out Ben.

It's very subtle. Don't get me wrong though, I like him alot and he has hinted at running for office in the future. And if he ever does he has my vote. He's actually my number two in terms of future republican candidates. Behind only Candace Owens.

I'm interested in the "no substance" part of what you said. I feel like he speaks for alot of people who share some of the so points of view, but are unable to elaborate . Or don't have a platform to be heard. We all know conservatives are heavily silenced on almost all forms of social media

I just remember seeing that video from a few years ago where he says that there are almost a billion radical muslims.

he is one of those people who kind of make sense until they touch a subject you actually know a lot about. then you realize what an idiot he is and question everything he said before.

Same user here. I think I understand what you are saying, I'm not Jewish but I can understand some of the "home team" mentality. With regard to bringing up the treatment of Jewish people. I would definitely be against him encouraging people to become Jewish. Although I do understand that is highly discouraged in the Jewish community

that would be half kek

How don't you know not to feed me this garbage when I'm up late?

What subject was this? Can you please share your knowledge

He is a republican and trump supporter so he isn't all bad.
I don't like his views on Jews, Israel and how he is limitless pro capitalist.
Therefore I think he is dishonest.
I stand with Tucker Carlson.

I don't blindly follow the opinion of any eceleb.
Also debating sjw is stupid because sjw are mentally ill retards.

I don't watch Ben Shapiro, I ain't got time for his crap.

>people to become Jewish

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A far right retard shuts down a far left retard and conservatives have explosive diarrhea over it? My opinion on it hasn't formed yet.

I don't know alot about trans people, I'm not going to call them by their made up terms. I don't know alot about gays and I don't support them, I also don't know alot about abortion. But I think killing is wrong. How is his view on those subjects wrong?

It's impossible to avoid completely. I mean I'm a Christian and truly believe that Jesus is our savior. And I get upset when I hear about the recent bombings and even more upset when people refer to them as attacks against, "Easter worshippers." so I don't hold that against him by any means, it's just his biggest fault in my opinion. And we all have faults. So again, he understands economics very well and he has social issues down pat. As far as the user who claims he has no substance, I don't know how anyone could come to such a conclusion.

He wants to force rape and incest victims to carry fetuses to full term.

He displays his duplicity often enough that it can't be unseen. When it comes to his proper conservative views and positions, he is able to lay out, defend and assert his arguments in perfect and unassailable form.

But when it comes to anything MAGA, he can only assert weak and baseless points. For example, when Roy Moore was running, he asserted the claims against him were "credible" and yet it was clear the evidence used against him was unverified and not available to 3rd party scrutiny and that which was available was completely inconsistent with the claims made. He's a lawyer and yet continued to claim they were "credible." And his attacks on Trump are equally baseless.

He never offers the logical and powerful arguments against Trump either. He just makes baseless opinion statements which is is sharp contrast to the logic and reason he applies elsewhere. This says to me he has no good reason to oppose Trump other than his personal views which do not reflect his publicly expressed views.

In theory, Trump and Shapiro should be seeing eye-to-eye. And yet he can't bring himself to do that. He's absolutely hiding something and every conservative out there is now avoiding Shapiro because of it.

Judaism is the term I intended to use. Jewish to me is a synonym for the religion. Maybe I'm wrong for using that term

anything regarding hitler and the holocaust.

Full school term

The amount of abortions performed for these reasons are astoundingly low.

Unless the fetuses also become pregnant

True, he isn’t all bad, he’s just as big of a piece of shit as republicans and trump supporters. Aside from that, he’s a fucking quack and a hypocrite whose only strength is “winning” impressionable teenage miscreants by making a big show out of badgering people. Definitely someone to be real proud of having on your hero list.

Fetuses becomes pregnant with another fetuses within a womb? I like it. That explains Luke and Leia.

What was the issue with his position on this?

My guess for his refusal to support Trump is that he doesn't like the rhetoric. Also he does plan to run for office in the future and is scared to be labeled as a Trump supporter. I may be wrong but that's my guess.

That doesn't invalidate what I said.

What you said is a strawman argument.

>I stand with Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson is the dumbest motherfucker on twelve planets, and certainly on your television, grandpa. Jesus H fuckin Jones the celebration of stupidity and outrage machine, just fuckin do yourself in already.

Also, I'm sorry but the fetus is not part of the woman's body. Rape and incest victims have an unbelievable amount of pain that they endure, but there are other options other than killing a child. I will never support an abortion for any reason.

Explain how it is a strawman argument.

How is that the kids fault? It deserves to die because of the kids fault? I understand it's a bad situation. But murder isn't the solution

fucking autocorrect

This one is an example of a strawman argument. Actually it's more like an appeal to emotion fallacy.
>Saying that the fetuses are "kids" is a fallacy

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This small group of people should be able to have abortions is what you are saying. So maybe I should clarify your position in order to be fair, should this apply to only these women? And if so, how do we determine for sure there was a rape that occurred? If it's a rape test kit, then plan b right away is an option, avoiding the need for an abortion. If it is a trial, then by the time the trial is over the baby will have already been born. So then we have to just take the woman's word for it?

I don't even watch Shapiro. He comes of as slimy and untrustworthy. But at least he doesn't talk I think about toxic masculinity and feminist marxist bullshit. Idgaf, I don't like any journalist or eceleb or influencer or pundit or whatever faggot. They are all paid propagandists.

What is the no substance part of what you said? Abortion for rape victims? Please go on.

I doubt that's at all true. His refusal to back the Trump train assures his irrelevance. Trump wins because he fights. The rest of the espoused right fails because they refuse to fight the left.

My mistake. I tend to overuse that term, apologies to the user I accused of this.

calling hitler an anti free market socialist. the nazis privatized more than any other country at that time. Mein Kampf clearly says that capitalism is the ideal economic system since it punishes the weak and rewards the strong. unless you are a jew of course. The nazis where very much involved in the economy but much to the benefit of private industry. shapiro buts him on one level with stalin who did not allow any private business at all.

I agree with you completely. I just can't figure out why else he would refuse to publicly support him.

I believe Roe v. Wade already covered this. It is illegal to have abortion after 26 weeks, rape or not.

Who do you suspect is paying him to say what he says?

Would u do an abortion to prevent more abortions or would u do an abortion to prevent lets say a million broken arms, would you do an abortion if 9 out 10 dentists agreed. Turns out its real serious for a person

Assuming that it is only permissible to have an abortion in rape cases, how does one determine it was rape prior to the 26 week mark?

I don't know. He's not paying me though so I try to survive for me. I have my opinions and I don't trust nobody blindly.

You sound like Dr Seuss on lsd homie.

That's something you would have to ask the doctors.

Which doctors?

OP thanks for this opportunity. I'm really surprised this went the way it did. Don't commit yourself to left or right. Don't worry about that. It's not important. You probably have views that align with both "sides" we need to find a way to unite and stop being so divisive.

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>Which doctors?
Witch doctors.

Rape, too often, is confused with regret of a bad decision. If you can't figure it out within the first 8 weeks, then you're full of shit.

Not sure if you are the same user I have been talking to, but that's kind of my point. Once there is an inch given a mile will be taken. Rape is terrible. I think we can all agree on that. But, if abortions are allowed for this reason only (I'm grouping incest in that category for discussion purposes), what stops women from calling a bad decision a rape and murdering a child? I'm not saying that it doesn't happen I'm just saying that it's a slippery slope and obviously a very complex issue that affects many people on a very personal level. And once the metaphorical door is open, people will fight to get through it.

He talks fast and confidently, which makes him come off well at first, but his arguments are pretty hollow, and he can be very hypocritical (he has a talk on how to debate liberals, starts by complaining about a bunch of things liberals tend to do, then does all of it himself throughout the rest of the talk).

Frankly I don't care for him much.

He is a complete hypocrite who loves playing his Jewish race card.

Kyle Kulinski, Nathan J. Robinson, Sam Seder, and Destiny have challenged him and he won't pull up. We both know it's because he'll get exposed for the fallacy-riddled clown that he is.

He jew. Therefore he bad.

Jewish food is kinda weird.

>social conservative
>not retarded
Pick one.