Why are you okay with killing babies, user?

i wouldn't mind because i would be dead

government represent you. you tool

>if you leave it be
neither a child... if you leave it be it will die

Leave it be = abstain from destroying it

You're too stupid to be a pedant.

childes from houses like that often become very successful. its the spoiled kids that have a lot of wasted potential. speaking from experience

>It's okay to kill a baby about to be born. MY BODY MY RULES
>Guns? Think of the children!

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Because I'm not okay with enslaving women.

>Leave it be = abstain from destroying it
you should phrase your arguments better user, redefining figures of speech doesn't make you very smart, but i would still say you could be a 'pedant'

You realize this has absolutely nothing to do with the saftey of children right?
And the 'baby' isnt killed right before being born bro. The 'baby' doesn't even have a consciousness, it' can't think. It's not aware of existance.

because I wish I'd been aborted

this, they should make assisted abortions illegal. back to coat hangers!

its never too late user

I'm only ok with killing non-white babies. In fact I think it should be mandatory.

>The 'baby' doesn't even have a consciousness, it' can't think. It's not aware of existance.
neither a child up to age of 2-3

what you just said makes no fucking sense
are you one of those elusive cases of failed abortion or just regularly dropped at birth or strangulated with the umbilical cord?

Are you for pulling the plug and euthanizing braindead retards too or is this a political stance based on a crush you had back in highschool?

>i will just pretend to be retarded real hard, maybe someone will believe me

Fucking hate babys if the world was without babies then the scourge that is the human race would finally be gone.
Also less niggers

i'd be in fact in favor of pulling your plug, yes

We have too many people already. I support any policy that cuts down on people.
I'm pro-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-abortion, and anti-immigration. Let's get rid of some fucking people.

He's not wrong, it made complete sense in the lines of your argument. Projection much?

Because I'm a Republican. Oh I'm sorry, are we still concern trolling?

because its better then letting your kid die of polio because your a retard who doesnt believe in vaccinations?

Please be the first to go!

it does if you understand that a baby is not 'sentient' till 4 y/o

My sister was considering on aborting my niece and I'm so glad she didn't. She brought my family together as well.

/WU6YjmT

Are you searching for a true ACTIVE discord server to hang out and make friends?
Where the mods aren't power hungry?
Look no more!

We have MEMES, tons of LEWDS, a selfie channel, comfy channel, lots of E-Girls (Traps/Femboys too!).

So you're in of you being judge jury and executioner? Go figure

you are getting rid of wrong people with abortions tho... only responsible career and success driven ppl get those.

>i'm retarded so when you say something different it means what i make out of it in my retardation because i'm retarded
so your mom is one of those who kept her cleaning chemicals in soda bottles, huh?

seeing how you can't even write up a fucking functioning sentence i don't see how you can be the judge of anything, especially in regards on whether someone this retarded should be put up with or just get disposed of

The only acceptable argument for abortion.
The rest of you are just playing moral gymnastics to justify ending a life to make yours easier.

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at least he can write a sentence, user.

babies are sentient, retard.

too many people will be solved with having 2 or less. having 0 is a recipe for disaster. look at germany

not till they gain consciousness and self awareness

"People" who think that they're clever by saying this should be the first ones to go.

You're only one who didn't understand what he said apparently. I don't think you understand how unspecific/undefined your original argument was.
So again- projection much?

exactly, both of which a 2yo baby has. less developed, but still there.

Imagine a dog getting an abortion or any other animal. What would happen if I took your dog without your consent and preformed an abortion on your dog because it wandered into my yard.

How would this make you feel? If the thought of that sickens you but the thought of a young vulnerable woman being tricked into killing her baby by peer pressure and or parents, boyfriends and society.

Women have rights they can vote and they can choose what they feel is right for them.

But abortion is murder. Women kill their own children every day. In fact all species of the world do, this is a fact.

Murder is a way of life on earth build destroy rebuild. Since the beginning of time.

However a civilized society will not tolerate murder period of any kind. Any woman that would kill a fetus would kill a child and that is unacceptable there is a place for killers in a civilized society and that is prison.

Anyone advocating for abortions should be charged under the same laws that those advocating for people to commit suicide are charged with.

Young and vulnerable women are easily taken advantage of this is common sense when looking at the circumstance they find themselves in when looking for an abortion.

These young women need support and education not to be shamed or made to feel less than. Being a young mother is not the end of the world and there are always other options drop offs centers and adoptions.

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Can someone explain to me how finding a single celled organism on Mars would be considered life on Mars, but a bundle of cells that through pregnancy becomes a human life is not considered a life at all?

It's simple, guys.
Let the people who want abortions kill their own offspring.
Takes them out of the gene pool anyway.
Problem solves itself

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not according to science. are you religious?

I think we should have more people. I want the entire universe so filled with fuckin people that it’s like a Star Wars movie and wherever you go there’s a fucking person there just because the human race is fucking awesome. If you don’t think the human race is amazing and is the greatest species to ever exist on planet earth, you’re a genetic mistake and you in particular should be dead. The rest of life on this earth could not possibly give any least of a shit about you - all they care about isn’t the preservation of its own bloodline and possibly its own species of it has the capacity to think that way. I wish the movie The Lobster was real just so retards like you can be turned into dogs.

Give a scientist enough money he will find away to to prove rainbows are unicorn farts.

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it is life, just doesn't have a certificate.

There are other scenarios when a woman would want an abortion, for example when giving birth would mean her and/or the baby's death. Or, what if she can't afford a child?

Adoption centers are over-populated and severely understaffed and underfunded already, making every woman give birth just to give the baby away would make the problem significantly worse.

Also, there's a massive difference between a fetus and a child. You can't compare the two.

Your fucking stupid

the majority of women that have an abortion, are too stupid or too poor to not become pregnant.
WHY, would you want them to reproduce?
Are YOU wiling to raise them?
Are YOU going to vote for social programs that help the mother support the child YOU would not ALLOW her to abort?

Fucking thought so.

Step up, or shut up.

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The cells aren't dead, but they aren't conscious either.

>your

Secretly I wish I was aborted

I don't care if 3 out of every 4 fetuses are aborted. I don't care if its 9 out of 10. Most of the time I wish I had been. Does the human species really need a bunch of people like you and me. Bunch of do nothing's.

Your "often" is less than 0.1%, while the "spoiled kids" usually have at least a 30% chance of being incredibly successful.

nope, agnostic. What science exactly? any research papers? To say that a baby

You're 100% wrong but I will let you in on a lil secret if a woman stays on a steady diet of energy drinks the baby will just abort itself.

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As an atheist and an environmental toxicologist who spent several years in college studying genetics, I believe life starts at conception. The res of the scientific world denies this specifically to back the pro-abortion lobby. I cannot find a single scientific argument against this and all I ever hear is “hurr durr there’s too many people” - there’s fucking too much of everything on Earth! What difference does that make?? We have the technology to provide clean water for everyone on Earth, GMO enhanced produce that can grow in nearly any climate making world hunger a thing of the past, and medical science that is literally making leaps and bounds every single day. For a plethora of reasons, none of this shit gets talked about and bullshit laws get passed to prevent mankind from achieving its better potential.

tl;dr = life begins at conception and saying that “there’s too many people” is another way of saying “I’m lazy so I’d prefer other people to die”

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We all do sometimes user we all do.

Enjoy losing custody battles because you fags tried to get out of fatherhood.

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Yeah I wish that guy was aborted too

>supports family separation
>supports babies in cages
>supports ending medicaid programs
>supports cutting back on public education
>supports any and every war that happens to come along
>supports the death penalty
or as it's know in conservative circles, "Pro-Life"
lol

This is statistically inaccurate. It produces some hustlers, my mother was born in the Philippines and raised in Oakland and now shes an oncologist who directs clinical trials on cancer meds. But shes an exception, every other of her 5 siblings and numerous other cousins, save one small business owner and a nurse, are just fucking garbage.

scientists finding cum on mars would be remarkable but those same scientists finding cum way up inside your asshole would not. same principle applies

Still life though, is it not?

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While we’re getting political...

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Men who attempt to get their kids aborted end up losing custody battles as a result. The court system HATES men who try to get out of fatherhood.
Most of the pro-abortion fags on here are just men who've lost custody battles and thus want others to be in the same position as themselves. Maybe deep down they think that if every man tries to get his children aborted and gets raped in family court, then men will pass laws that make forced abortion legal.

But yeah, most of the pro-abortion people on here are men who tried to get out of fatherhood and got destroyed in court. That, and stupid men who WILL lose custody battles in the future from trying to get their future kids aborted.

Because being able to change a 1 million dollar mistake and reclaim 18 years of your life with the equivalent of wet/dry vac is not only awesome but funny as fuck.

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Is this the year 2000?
Who honestly gives a shit about abortion still. Even my grumpy old boomer parents really don't care.

How many abortions do you think Trump got?

Not true at all. Most of the men on here are not men, they’re teenagers larping as edgy comedians

That's pretty metal

Fucking wasted dubs. The mass number of those "families" are not families. No babies were put in cages. Medicaid refuses more claims than any other insurance, so just move people to private competitive insurance (for fuck's sake, I work at Taco Bell and have health insurance I pay $20 a month for.) Our education system has drowned itself in government slush and our kids are coming out fucking retards. Conservatives are largely against war which is not to defend the country, its direct interests, or allies which it has promised to protect. And, yes, if you commit a heinous crime against society you should be removed from society, even if that means death for murdering someone.

Because they aren't babies, and your argument of, well they become babies doesn't matter because women lose a potential baby every month, men lose billions of potential babies a month. There is nothing magical about the union of the two, once the union happens it still takes a long time before a baby is formed.

As a conservative I approve of everything you said. And as someone who has had a job since I was 16 years old, I say fuck yeah! I’ve always had health insurance from the places I work and frankly I don’t think I’ve ever met another working person who hasn’t had health insurance through their job aside from one small business owner I know

>tfw normie conservatives come on Yea Forums to earnestly discuss politics

Well good for you.

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

>tfw cucks expect to be taken seriously for their political views

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And about 50 million Americans are on welfare. Maybe they should get a fucking job. Ever thought of that?

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>normie fag is confused
>"c..cuck! you're a cuck!"
>normie fag is relieved

Have you ever thought about not demonizing a group of people that are less fortunate than you?

Fags and cucks are nearly indistinguishable
>”n-no, but u tho!”
>neckbeard is relieved

Dude there are tons of cunt kids that grow up to become do-nothing cunt adults that will spend their entire lives consuming. Like you and me, and most people. We aren't here to influence the trajectory of human potential. We're just here for the show. I see your point of bitter people losing and wanting to inflict pain on others, people are wrathful. But sell me on why we need more people like you and me? I'm on my way out soon. But sell me on why we need more no ones.

Fucking nogs and illegals. That's the problem.

If we are to assume demons have jobs and thus have health insurance, then no. I’ll demonize the fuck outta their lazy asses and their piece of shit kids too

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In their defense, there are quite a few white trash pieces of shit that make up the welfare system too. They’re all lazy pieces of shit that ought not make their existence a problem for those who actually contribute to society and deserve healthcare

Go paint an inner-city school. Build a business and hire welfare recipients, preachy cunt

>Why are you okay with killing babies, user?
it is fun, easy, and low risk

How could abortion not solve this.

ooooo, you put the orange mans face on a pic, you are soooooooooooooooooo edgy

6.7 percent of full-time workers participated in one or more assistance program.

insert pic of elephant fetus here that morons believe is a human fetus.

If it cannot live on its own, it is not a baby.

A majority of fertilized eggs don't result in viable pregnancies, so at least you're not in the "begins at conception" camp, right, user?

every time a woman menstruates, she is guilty of murder.

>Leave it be
>implying pregnancy involves no effort, pain, or risk of injury or death to the person with the parasite in their uterus

We need to reduce the world population somehow

read about it then

Because no person should reproduce, and the most humane time to terminate a produced human is during the period when it cannot articulate the comprehended terror of its mortality.

If it can't survive on its own outside of the womb it's not a human being. Abortion should be safe, legal and uncommon.

possibly, but then is your data accurate on this small sample size? vast majority of people i've met that came from houses like that are over achievers/incredibly motivated by money... so there is my sample. i would be curious to see some actual numbers tho

edgier than you

Conservatives: Not giving a shit about whether a woman consents since.. forever, really

is forcefully removing it from it ok tho? is placing a human in an environment that will kill it ok?

kek

>woman consents
that would mean they have rational mind

>begins at conception"
You began at conception.
It was an important step in your creation.

Fuck you, libtard faggot

I love me and anything I make or is in existential relation to me, as in, anything over which I exert emotional ownership. Everything and everyone else is transient waste that could disappear tomorrow, and the world would be for the better. Especially marsupial mongoloid monkeyjism.

What do either of those things have to do with anything?

i wonder if the 1mil liability for most insurgence companies is there for that reason. its like a refund to the family

cant believe you just asked that lol

>tfw you'll never yeetus that fetus
Why live

ayy a eugenecist... congrats on reaching that low point in mental creativity!

>not realizing who's the real normie.

Can’t burn them while they’re still alive moron!

I have, and i have personal experience, and nothing would indicate that 2 year olds are unconscious.

there is fundamentally no difference between a fetus and a parasite.

I was using anecdotal evidence from my life to support a larger statistical phenomenon of poverty being generational. The I suggest you read up on it. Also this goes for you, me and all the rest of the dumb cunts on this thread. Don't have kids. We're worse off for having you already.

Babies no, fetuses yes.

Murder is wrong, organ removal isn't

That is a good point

There's fundamentally no difference between you and a faggot. I'm all for abortion, just wish your parents had considered it

Pro life = pro regulated

Pro choice = pro choice

It doesn't equal death, it equals choice. False equivalency is the only way to call this wrong

I guarantee not one argument can be made without an implication that choice means anything other than safe, sound option available

You realize you are just better preparing people who disagree with your spam viewpoints

If it benefits the white race.

World is overpopulated. Every abortion is for the good of everyone else on the planet.

>Every abortion is for the good
I think we should expand to the handicapped and the poor

Because pro-lifers give zero fucks about the fetus once its born

simple as that
the mass of non sentient cell isnt aware of what is going on
if you detect retardation you should be able to end its suffering (plus its a waste of energy to keep retarded/dependant people AND we are the only species that tend to unable children just because its moral)
we dont need people right now if the birth rate could drop a bit it wouldnt hurt us (overpopulation)
plus its not as if you, as a human, werent harming the environment why did you kill that spider or that fly or that ant?
if we are legally able to kill animals to eat or to kill a horse (which is a super intelligent creature)because he broke his leg we should be able to kill non sentient lump of cell to prevent it from growing in a non stable environment
if the parents arent economicaly and mentally ready to have a child and the contraceptive pills was defective and the woman was pregnant she should be able to prevent a miserable life for a child
you cant prove me wrong with your personal morals
this is logic

I think we should expand it to you

because we can have more in a country that isnt a disease ridden third world shithole

kek, man just read about early brain development. you are not conscious nor self aware till 3-4y/o.

So if I had been aborted, I wouldn't have existed.

Also, if my parents hadn't conceived me, I would never have existed.

There is absolutely no difference to me whatsoever which of those two scenarios occurred.

Have you ever been around a fertile woman and failed to try to cause pregnancy? If so, congratulations, you too have failed to bring someone into existence.

Wouldn't care if the government implemented a decade long policy that mandated that 1 in every 3 pregnancies were forced to be aborted. Chosen randomly of course. Lanes on the freeway would just just open up.

never okay with it... unless it has gonosyphiliss itis aids and is useless to anyone but pedos think mercy killing but thats not my decisions its the ditch pig "parents's"

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because with 7 billion people in the world eating, shitting and polluting the planet we don't really need any more.

yeah but to acheive that we need less people right now or we will burn our fuse and waste all the energy we have

Counter question: Why are you okay with killing adults?

>hurr durr someone said it on Yea Forums therefore it's 100% true
can you at least prove it?

Spam is delicious! Nitrates my guy yum yum

Imagine being this much of a fucking brainlet

except people that would abort are not causing over population... its the ones that have 4
+ kids. most of the population problems come from developing countries getting health care and has nothing to do with abortions

nice comeback, what are you, 5?

there has been many cases this was used in court user.

>implying most pro-lifers don't also oppose universal access to contraception

lol clearly not

inb4 somebody asks for a citation and you say "it's a court in Canada, you probably wouldn't know them"

Fact : Pro choicers will literally come up with everything excuse to KILL it. They fucking lie to themselves and eachother on a daily basis in their echo chamber, so they think being this fucking stupid is normal.

how about not at all?

I just wish Democrats and Republicans would start another civil war, too bad it's not gonna happen. Want this country to fracture.

>implying consciousness defines what you are
its still a living human, you fucking moron

are you pro life or pro choice?

When the time comes, nobody will be safe, rich nor poor.

this

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>Mainstream Media: There's too many people, either don't have kids or have an abortion (white people)
>Mainstream Media: Now there's not enough people, we need to important refugees from Africa and the Middle East to make up for the labor deficit

It's not "a human". My kidney is a human kidney, but it's not human trafficking if I give it to someone else, and it's not murder if I "kill" it.

"But user, your kidney is not genetically unique!" Right, so if a woman is pregnant with twins you're okay with aborting just one of them, right?

Why are you pretending to give a shit about other people's welfare, when what you really want is to limit other people's freedom?

Seeds aren't flowers either, but destroying them is still destroying plant life.

>absolutely no difference to me
if they killed you then you wouldn't be alive today
however, they didn't kill you and you are alive today

if you are pretending that is no different to you then you are a liar or a retard

Life started a billion years ago. The argument that conception is a morally relevant boundary between beings' rights isn't scientific, it's aesthetic. Specifically, an aesthetic preference for a potential future human over an actually living woman's bodily autonomy.

Poor people like my family had 3 too many kids, I dont support abortion in most instances but I do think you should have enough money in the bank already to not live in a doublewide. Or use a fucking condom.

I don't need an excuse. I don't care if it's true that life starts at conception. If I knock a girl up I'm doing everything in my power to convince that girl to give it up. Call it murder if you want cunt. Im not pro choice, I'm anti-consequence. Also I hope you have a daughter go through a teenage pregnancy right before college, so you have to explain why shes going to be poor the rest of her life.

Lolno. Rape victims, niggers and people who don't want the party to stop yet are the ones overwhelmingly getting abortions.

I just don't care about someone elses pregnancy and the fact they had a dude cum inside them. it's not my responsibility or life

If I scratch myself too hard and break the skin and bleed, I have destroyed living, genetically human cells. I haven't "destroyed human life" in any morally relevant way, though.

>Right, so if a woman is pregnant with twins you're okay with aborting just one of them, right?
With the logic you're trying to use, you'd be arguing that even with adult twins, it should be fine to murder one of them

Why u faggots care about someone elses crotch droplets and what they do with them in the first place, worry about yourselves

Sounds like between the two of you you've covered everyone.

They also didn't not conceive me. Are you don't it should be illegal to not get pregnant?

I'm not okay with it, but I don't think these threads are going to change the mind of those who are.

And if they hadn't gotten pregnant in the first place, I wouldn't be alive either.

Four possibilities, user:

1) My parents conceive and don't abort and I'm born
2) My parents conceive but do abort
3) My parents conceive but miscarry/stillbirth
4) My parents never conceive

In order of preference: 1 > (all the others because there's no fucking difference to me either way so there's literally no reason for me to care which)

That's an even better reducto than twins in uteteo. I'll incorporate it next time. Thanks!

>no reason for me to care which
Ok I'll play your game:
your a:
troll
retard
middle school

Or you're a fucking edgy wizard who really doesn't give a fuck if he's alive or not.

whatever the case, I can't argue with retard logic

If anything it just makes me want to convince every pregnant woman I see to scoop that shit out and throw it in the dumpster.

So what was your point? That is IS okay to kill a twin since there's already another person like them? That's what you were using to avoid the point the other guy made.

Because it's what God wants. There's very specific instructions on how to perform abortions in the Bible.

absolutely

I rather make them. Have a new Indonesian muslim wife and we hope to have some anklebiters soon,matey. Australia sure can use some more diversity

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ACCORDING TO THE ZOOMERS IN THIS THREAD I CAN RAM A SWORD INTO A PREGO AND KILL HER KID
BUT IT'S COOL BECAUSE THE KID ISNT A PERSON AND THE WOMAN WAS JUST IN THE WAY
SO I ONLY GET BUSTED FOR BATTERY

I don't care

If you abort your kids then who is going to visit your tiny grave???

I am not ok with killing babies.
I am ok with abortion because it is killing the unborn fetus inside the womb.
I am not tied to religious reasons or political reasons for banning abortion.
Kill those fetuses because i sure as hell don't want them around if even their own "person carrying them in their belly" doesn't want them around.

go to bed. your high af

>I am not ok with killing babies.
>Kill those fetuses because i sure as hell don't want them around if even their own "person carrying them in their belly" doesn't want them around.
Why wouldn't you be okay with quick, painless executions of a baby whose parents didn't want it?

You're*
You stinky poo

That sounds fine we need less niggers and poor people

> I can't argue
Correct. You have no refutation so you are resorting to ad hominem.

It is irrelevant to the other user's having existed which of the 3 non-life scenarios could have occurred, and in fact the non-abortion options are much more common than abortion, and yet I don't see you clamouring to make it illegal to pull out and calling that murder, which by the logic of 'it's necessary for this to happen/not happen for you to be alive' it should be.

user pointed out flaws in your logic and all you can do is insult him because you've got nothing to argue back with.

This. Abortion is a self-regulating issue. Also our foster system is garbage. If anti-choice faggots start revamping our foster system to be actually helpful for these shitty unwanted kids, I wouldn't be pro-choice. Also, ultimately, I don't care. It's a parasite hitching a ride on someone else's body. Imagine giving up your complete agency for nine months and then your partial agency for 18 years. Fuck you.

>doesn't want them around
I don't want people on feeding tubes to be around either.
I don't want retards around.
I don't want poor people who can't afford to live around either.

I have a list.
Hitler had his list too....

Here's another possibility
>your parents conceive and you're born and you're shortly after drowned in a tub
How different is that really?

aww that’s some adorable wishful thinking.

>flaws in your logic
you'll learn about biology in high school
humans have life cycles too son
it starts with conception

All your scenario bullshit is just pipe logic

Child supports expensive and condoms are for faggots.

Nope, you killed a person and carried out an illegal abortion simultaneously. You should be charged with murder in the first degree because you stabbed that cunt fully knowing you were killing her and being willing to do so, and you should be charged with practising medicine unlicensed for attempting the abortion at all.

people are garbage, so in a roundabout way, yeah, I guess,

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Speaking of which, can I have a citation of literally any time this has happened?

>conservatives are largely against war which is not to defend the country, its direct interests, or allies which it has promised to protect
By that logic, you can attack anyone on the globe at any time, holy shit that's broad. What a dangerous person.

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>Nope, you killed a person
If prego dies, then it would be manslaughter at most.
But she would probably live and I would be charged with battery.
No biggie.

actually the pro-life generation is dead

Because they were never alive

That's true, human life starts with conception. It is frequently (like VERY frequently) not successful past the second trimester. Miscarriages in the first trimester are so common many women don't notice them, and call them late periods.

This doesn't change the fact that your logic is flawed. Conception is not as important a stage in your existence as birth, after which your chances of surviving unaided increase LITERALLY EXPONENTIALLY. But the real clincher is this: at earlier stages of development, the fetus is not a living human being but a collection of cells with zero cognitive function. Zero. It doesn't think, feel, it isn't alive in any meaningful way, and this is the point at which I'm okay with it dying, because at this point it's comparable with removing a tumor, or using contraceptives. Preventing a person from forming rather than killing a person.

that's retarded
women kill their children cause they don't want the responsibility

If my parents' generation had kids to safeguard their retirement, they should probably rethink how they're managing their relationship with the people they expect to care for them later on. I expect hyper low-cost elder care to become a "BOOMING" industry in the next 10-20 years.

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Attempted murder, at least, along with practising medicine unlicensed, or, if you were licensed, malpractice, which carries even harsher penalties for the worst instances.

That's if (a big if, if you shove a sword up someone) she survived. You are demonstrating intent to commit an act with a strong chance of killing a person with no regard for if it does. No lawyer would be able to get you battery.

At the very least you're looking at decades in prison, if not life.

>Preventing a person from
...And there you go. You almost understand.
The point is you or anyone else doesn't have a right to prevent someone the right to life.

It's literally a Constitutional Right.
You'll learn about that in high school too.

>looking at decades in prison, if not life.
nah brah. if I cut off a toe, so be it. No difference in cutting a fetus.
There is no intent to kill prego.
Battery. Tops.

They're going to keep arguing that it's the same as pulling out or not having sex in the first place, ignoring that in this scenario you've already produced a new human being and are then choosing to kill it during its development.

Give up nine months of your health and 18 years of your finances and then see if you feel the same, just because an accident happened. Those kids are lost to the foster system or become drug addicts. I don't care if two didn't when one hundred did. Fuck you.

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>Guise guise, condoms are unconstitutional.
A tumor is not 'someone'. The point is until it is a sentient being it is not a person. And babies, even freshly born, are sentient: they have self awareness, they learn, they think subjectively from the get-go. In the womb they think subjectively which is why some babies in the womb kick for different reasons.

It is not a constitutional right not to be prevented from being formed into a person. I challenge you to find me a constitutional law specifying this.

You are stabbing a person with a weapon you know can and probably will kill them because you are thrusting it into their internal organs. Attempted murder. Minimum.

Right now, there are two people who could meet and have a child, but they happen to never meet. I have no pity or sense of loss for this hypothetical child. I think of a fetus that hasn't grown enough of brain to have self awareness the same way. Taking away a potential future is not an ethical issue until there is a self awareness to take it from. The large majority of abortions occur in the 1st trimester, and I think you'd be hard pressed to claim the fetus is self aware at that stage. Abortions beyond that stage are terrible, but must be looked at pragmatically. Later abortions can only be justified if they are the lesser evil, cause the least amount of suffering. That takes speculation and should not be taken lightly. I would be much more comfortable with restrictions on abortion if social safety nets were expanded, but usually the politicians who want to restrict also want to reduce safety nets. That definitely pushes logical people to make the sad but intelligent choice to cause a brief, vague amount of suffering to a fetus instead of a life of hardship.
I associate pro life attitudes with religion, which makes some sense. I also know the history of religion well enough to not trust the people who brought us Magdalene laundries and justified infanticide with such concepts as "changelings" Your question is a loaded one, and I think you won't be convinced by people you don't separate from the strawman in your head. Reals over feels, user.

I'm not ignoring that. Other user is saying that a potential human life cannot be PREVENTED from the OPPORTUNITY to live, by which definition they ARE the same.

I'm ok with killing adults too. If projected IQ is less than 110, who cares?

1. It's not a baby, it's a zygote.
2. I'd be OK with killing it even if it was a baby.
3.Humans need to be culled down to a sustainable population, around 3 billion. We can do this in a generation if we all work together.

Because they're fucking annoying

This

Yep, would pull your plug and rape your corpse.

Just kill off those with less than a 95 IQ. A solid 1/3 the pop, the rest have lower reproductive rates

Because the potential to be alive is not the same as being alive. Because rape victims should not have to go through that physical pain. Because it could literally fucking kill you and an embryo's life is not more important than a woman's.

This, except for the hate speech, Hitler. Can't you see that all mankind is equally foul?

This

>A tumor is not 'someone'
fetus != tumor

Every person has the right to Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness. It's found in the Bill of Rights. The US Constitution is based on these inalienable rights.

Again, high school is going to be off the hook for you sport.

Oh, yeh, the human race is awesome. They've been robbing, raping and murdering each other since they climbed out of the trees, but they're peachy keen. You must be a genius. Are you from MENSA?

It's very noble of you to volunteer. Thank you for your sacrifice.

Too bad your mom didn't feel that way...

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This. It's a parasite that takes years off the mother's life and pollutes the planet from day one. Every woman that gets an abortion should get a medal for preserving the ecosystem.

>they have self awareness,
good. then killing someone in their sleep is ok.
also, coma people can go too.

>killing babies
>I'll have appeal to emotion fallacy for $200, Alex

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>>This. It's a parasite that takes years off the mother's life and pollutes the planet from day one. Every woman that gets an abortion should get a medal for preserving the ecosystem.
Eat a bullet stop being a fucking hypocrite.

We dream, you fucking retard.

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You are not self aware in your sleep
If you were, you would prevent someone from killing you.

Cos fuck population growth. Also, who gives a shit about some dumb fuck's kids.

People are not aware when someone sneaks up behind them and stabs them.

Why waste money though
>Inb4 actually energy drink shill

What do you call it? What other animal on the planet kills it's own young while still in the womb? How fucking mindless to you have to be to allow the media to make it okay to destroy your one biological imperative. I have had a thought, people who profess your beliefs should put there money with their mouth is and be forced to abort their children, who wants them around anyway? Not you...

You are self aware when awake
you are not when you are unconscious

I'm just using the retard logic that was used to kill kids.

You are a grade A moron.

Someone has a clear understanding of science. You American?

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In order to be unconscious, you'd have to be conscious prior to unconsciousness.Fetuses are never conscious so they cannot be unconscious.

There have been numerous papers published in psychology journals that focus on cognitive ability in early childhood. It was the major focus of most research psychologists in the 1970's. Read a goddamn book.

Yep. Abortion is like getting rid of a tapeworm

Okay what value so you place on a fetus compared to a human child?
Say you are in an abortion clinic. You have enough strength or time to take one of these things in your arms.
>Rack full of inseminated eggs with are essentially fresh fetuses
>Or one single human child
The consequence of leaving one behind is that a really encroaching danger destroys The choice you didn't take.
Why are you pretending that you'd take the fetuses?
Also, while we sure do have the capability to feed, clothe, and home millions of people more than we are currently.I don't think our biosphere is built to sustain the amount of people there are now. Especially not with the rapidly draining natural biomass around us. I mean if you've been alive for longer than 25 years you should definitely remember more bugs and wild animals living around you. Not just due to being out in the woods either. They were everywhere. While even in the past decade insect populations have declined by 90.

Abortion = Eating fruit
New pro life slogan

meh, why not?

Yep. 1 in 4 fetuses spontaneously abort. God is the busiest abortionist, by far.
sciencealert.com/meta-analysis-finds-majority-of-human-pregnancies-end-in-miscarriage-biorxiv

At what point does the fetus become viable? How long does it remain a blastocyst? When do human features begin to develop? What internal systems exist? Is there legitimate blood flow or does it still rely on host umbilicus? Is it an unrecognizable parasite? And when do you finally call it human? And what about miscarriages? Cut your black and white bullshit and learn to discern between the shades of grey.

>b-but muh patriarchy
>it's m-muh body
wrong, asshole. The so-called "collection of tissue" is another human being that is its own seperate entity. You have no right to dictate what happens with another entity, whether it's conscious or not. Want me to rip out your fucking guts while you're in a coma? Want me to cut out your organs with you having no ability to defend yourself? That's what you're doing.

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>government represent you

because it avoid child support

>plus its a waste of energy to keep retarded/dependant people
He writes, from his parent's basement.

World is overpopulated so killing fetuses is ok by me but i'm against abortion cause it gives woman a right to choose.

hahaha look at me im so edgy im prolly 14 or some shit hahahaha i watch rick n morty im so smrt an shit hahahaha the human race is a scourge lol xd

I'll do my part by taking YOU out, cockgobbler.

Because I can not afford to adopt them all.

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>You have no right to dictate what happens with another entity
Then, by your argument, the fetus has no right to damage my health. Abortion would be an act of self-defense. Thanks for logically annihilating your own argument, dipshit. :D

>Why are you okay with killing babies, user?
because around 76% of the ones killed, are nigger babies. It keeps their population in check.

Hmm let's see, there are around 12-15 million illegals in the U.S., add on several million of their anchor babies, and another million of the daca bullshit. Then add up another million or so that are in prison. Gee, there's close to 20 million of your 44 million.

Kick every single one of the illegals, and their anchor babies, out of the country. Now you will have freed up 10's of billions, to spend on health care for our actual citizenry.

Same reason I'm against forced organ donation: nobody has a right to use any or all of your body without your consent

>B-but what about the baby's body, user!!!!

The embryo or fetus is dependent on the woman's body, therefore the woman has the right to decide whether she wants to continue the relationship.

Difference being my cells work together as an integrated whole modulated by a functioning brain. An embryo doesn't do that until weeks after fertilization, and the components for consciousness doesn't develope until into the third trimester

my parents let me know that my dog needed to be 'put down.' he died painlessly shortly afterwards.

humans are nothing special.

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Anchor babies are US citizens as per the 14th amendment.

You need to be put down

Population control

Because I don't believe souls exist. The fetus does not have a soul, and does not have a brain therefore its not a human. Also what makes you think you can force women who do not want a fetus inside of them to keep it inside of them when coat hangers exist OP??

Im against it. There is no real difference between an 8 month unborn baby and a 1 year old. Im fine with medicinal abortion. If the mom eats something and the baby dies its not really murder. If someone needs to go in and physically destroy it, thats clearly murder

Fuck kids. Wait no, don't fuck kids.

Because of this natural mistake

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Honestly I'm okay with infanticide too. The sooner you do it, the less experiences it has. The less it's fully become human.