Why do democrats want open borders?

why do republicans care more about immigration then gun rights? you seriously think were suppose to act like your president violating the 2nd ammendment is something thats not a big deal?

Fuck you faggots. Go to /pol/.

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Intolerable. How do we get these immigrants off our land, and we can go back to teepees

more votes for them

Lower pay for workers so their corporate fatcat budddies get richer by not paying workers good wages.

Also so every state becomes a blue state, hence why they get mad when plump wants to send immigrants to California but not when you send them to small middle America red towns.

they don't. Repugnicans just say they do to get the stupid vote

Because spics work hard, haven't you seen mexico?

That place looks like its been filled with people who work hard.

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Why do Republicans want daily school shootings?

Most don't, but that hasn't stopped the right from using it as a talking point.

#TRUMP2020

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Because they desire the total collapse of the country

They want current immigration laws ignored, 'fast-track' immigration policy changes and amnesty for the ones already here. That is open borders.

>Republicucks actually believe this

Shrodingers liberal. They somehow want to topple corporations and install socialism while they also want to make their "corporate buddies" richer.

Do you post this shit every month, you faggot?

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We dont faggot

>Why do democrats want open borders?
They don't
Just more lies from Donny

But Don the Con Dick Suckers blindly believe everything he says.

Amnesty was created by Reagan. They had to prove they've worked and contributed during their time here. Nice try though.

Fuck off beaner

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Do tell.

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Sometimes the truth is the best talking point.

YOU DO! Or you just ignorantly vote for it to virtue signal.

Fucking TELL ME ABOUT IT

The establishment (neoliberals) are just walk street corporate dems. The socialist type leftists are a small minority with no real power.

*wall street

Reagan was a fucking idiot.

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indeed he was

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Literally nothing here negates my claim. Did you even read the article lol

Consider: the drug trade in the US is HUGE. ALMOST ALL DRUGS come from Mexico. Open borders ensures that the flow of drugs into the United States is continuous and uninterrupted.
Democrats take ENORMOUS kickbacks to keep the borders open from the mind-bogglingly wealthy Mexican drug lords. Drug shipments are protected, distributed and sold by such gangs as MS-13 among others.

>Democrats face EXECUTION by Drug Lords if the borders get CLOSED.

They cant stop this guy

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>Democrats take ENORMOUS kickbacks to keep the borders open from the mind-bogglingly wealthy Mexican drug lords.

No facts to support some Qtard on twitter said its true so it must be.

Please get back on your meds

You mean the part where it stated that most democrats support open border policies as opposed to border security?

They want to get a bunch of illegals here and then give them citizenship in exchange for their votes.

The vast majority of drugs flow in through the ports. They aren't walked across the border lol

>EXECUTION
whatever you say, kid

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>Believing any form of immigration reform means no borders

Show me where it said that.

I feel sorry for you. I know you're incapable of being a success in your own life because your Liberal parents never spent enough time with you to teach you anything meaningful, and your Liberal teachers never taught you anything but how to obey the Government, and that your Liberal friends don't know any more about being successful than you do so it's no wonder you're such a miserable failure and that's why I feel sorry for you.
What I don't appreciate, though, is how you're so very resentful of and even hate people who, unlike you, are totally successful and happy in life, usually Conservatives, because we're raised by parents who love us, give us good attention, give us proper discipline when we need it, pass excellent morals, ethics and values on to us while teaching us how to be ambitious, inventive, imaginative, creative and successful. That's why I'm a winner and you're not and why I feel sorry for you.

A number of reasons, but I think the foremost is "fuck White people" and "fuck racism". Some can't wait to see the end of the White majority so they can hijack the government and vote their way toward socialism, turbo-affirmative action, reparations, and everything else to redistribute wealth out of the hands of Whites and into the hands of brown people. Some see open borders as a humanitarian issue, and want to use migration as a way to give these desperately poor people a better life. Honestly the only way to keep them out would be to shoot the first wave and hunt down the illegals in our country and forcibly deport them, screaming children, weeping women and all. Most people don't even want to know how their meat gets to the grocery store so they would never be able to stomach such a solution, the only effective solution, to mass illegal immigration. Fences, walls, rubber bullets, tear gas, none of these things will stop people who know that once they're inside they'll be freed and effectively allowed to stay. They also know that if they shit out some kids they'll never be forced out, and one day their children will be able to vote (many already are) and that they'll vote in amnesty for all and "immigration reform" aka legalized illegal immigration, just issue everyone that arrives at the border an ID card, social security number, voter registration form and bus ticket to their city or choice. And as we slice the pie up more and more and our quality of life goes down (because land, infrastructure, housing, jobs and resources don't spring up in the wake of these migrant hordes), the demagogues will tell us it's a Russian conspiracy, or White privilege is why they're not a winner, or whatever, until it erupts into a civil war but by then they'll have millions of more military-aged males to fight on their side.

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>mind-bogglingly

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I took a humongoid shit this day. The poor toilet received no mercy and no pity from my death bringing feces. I felt pleasure expelling my bodily waste in the expense of the innocent toilet's crater. The toilet could not handle the God-sized shit I dropped down it, a shit so fucking enormous I felt it touch my ass. But it was not over yet, I had more brown stuffing to expell. I braced for a rocket launch to infinity and beyond and let out a shit that defied the speed of light. But as Einstein said, "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". And the opposite reaction was my toilet bursting with marble and shit from the light speed waste ejected at it, the combined kinetic and chemical energy that impacted the toilet fucking destroyed it. I was done expelling blacks, and wiped my ass with the next innocent victim. 4-ply toilet paper, I heard it scream silently as I pulled dozens out the roll. Then muffled screams as I wiped it at my ass. I finished wiping, but had realized, the toilet was having it's payback. Shit infested water sprayed in every direction hitting me. I screamed at exited the toilet swiftly but to my relief, the toilet was going to flood the Earth. God has punished humanity yet again. Oh fuck, the flood reaches inches in just a second. The shit is having it's payback. The shit water reached my nose and I struggled for my life, I was drowning in shit infested water. In my final moments at this Earth, I heard the toilet say.
"You know I had to do it to em."

>Reagan was a fucking idiot.
He was still smarter than you.

>That's why I'm a winner
lol posting on B

This is allot of projecting

I'm not getting into an argument on semantics.

From that very article. "But so far this year, most of Ryan’s rivals have chosen a different path, almost entirely focused on denouncing Trump’s policies as un-American, bigoted and inhumane, while offering new policies that are more welcoming to undocumented immigrants than anything offered by President Barack Obama or, in some cases, the party’s last nominee, Hillary Clinton."

Border security is border security and embracing policies that don't stem the flow of illegal immigration is tantamount to open borders. Is just is. Do you think the Dems are going to produce a candidate that will actually increase border security or reduce it?

Prove it's wrong.
Protip: you can't.

(All the facts will be coming out over the next year as you watch your Democrat icons go to prison.)

The ironic thing is that Hispanics are generally socially conservative and would vote for the GOP it they weren't so retarded with their immigration policy. Just look at Cubans: they were granted a path to citizenship by the GOP and have overwhelmingly voted red for generations.
Republicans would be able to see this if they could get past their "reeee brown man bad reeee muh white pride" garbage

I think it's the same reason they got Obama elected. I really think they want to show off to (Specifically) the Republicans to say "HEY, LOOK HOW MUCH MORE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND ACCEPTING WE ARE." and the Republicans then hit them with the same back shit and it goes back and forth to and fro and its all for the acceptance of the people, who no longer have ANY trust with politicians.

>(All the facts will be coming out over the next year as you watch your Democrat icons go to prison.)

For how many years have you qtards been saying this?

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For those of us who can actually think (instead of "feeling" our way through life) it makes a whole fuck of a lot more sense than COLLUSION and there's actually evidence to back it up. (Go look for yourselves, I'm NOT your fucking daddy (if you even have one) and I'm NOT doing your fucking homework for you!

It’s a cynical demographics game being played by white rich elitists. They are not having kids at the same rate as middle America and they need to keep prices down and government coffers filled on the coasts. So they are importing voters and low cost labor.

>Why do democrats want open borders?

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I feel sorry for you. I know you're incapable of being a success in your own life because your Liberal parents never spent enough time with you to teach you anything meaningful, and your Liberal teachers never taught you anything but how to obey the Government, and that your Liberal friends don't know any more about being successful than you do so it's no wonder you're such a miserable failure and that's why I feel sorry for you.
What I don't appreciate, though, is how you're so very resentful of and even hate people who, unlike you, are totally successful and happy in life, usually Conservatives, because we're raised by parents who love us, give us good attention, give us proper discipline when we need it, pass excellent morals, ethics and values on to us while teaching us how to be ambitious, inventive, imaginative, creative and successful. That's why I'm a winner and you're not and why I feel sorry for you.

>lol posting on B
Says the moron who can't think enough to realize that they, too, are posting on B.

>The ironic thing is that Hispanics are generally socially conservative and would vote for the GOP it they weren't so retarded with their immigration policy

Same with pretty much all non European migrants.

Its nice to see Trump make all non-whites not welcome in the GOP. It will kill the party, well done guys.

I love when racist Trump supporters try to tell me how Trump isn't racist

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Thanks for proving my point. To the GOP, any form of reform=no border. It's a dishonest and pathetic way to look at things.
Not to mention that the quote you posted is entirely speculative and not based on any solid fact.

0/10

Because a term is only four years. The mess is for the next guy to clean up.

Honestly republicans could knee cap Dems for generations by stop hating on Latinos. They are religious, conservative in general, and entrepreneurial. I’ve never understood this.

they don't.

they also don't want a pointless wall.

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>For those of us who can actually think (instead of "feeling" our way through life) it makes a whole fuck of a lot more sense than COLLUSION

I know thats how you FEEL, from Trumpers its about how issues make you FEEEEL not the facts.

Has Mexico payed for the wall yet?

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>Honestly republicans could knee cap Dems for generations by stop hating on Latinos. They are religious, conservative in general, and entrepreneurial. I’ve never understood this.

Africans are the same all pro life, love god ect.

Dade and Broward Counties are SOILD blue. Miami, is now 90% Hispanic and is now so 'diverse' that it's no longer even a sanctuary city and they have repealed the wet and dry foot policies. They vote for gibs and then they vote eachother into office.

I know, right? I live in Central California and there are thousands of Hispanic farm, ranch and orchard families who've been here for over four hundred years and they HATE the Illegals. I mean REALLY HATE them! It doesn't make it into the main stream news but you'd be amazed how many illegals get shot and killed by members of established Hispanic American families around here!

bias as fuck...gtfo

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More votes for the Jews

Hate to be that guy but it's definitely because they want less brown people.

Most of the candidates are for policies that will lead to increased border crossings. That's not speculative. Dems just had a fight with Trump over not financing the wall. Since I assume you're a Democrat, you tell me what position they have, because it seems increasingly evident that border security isn't a priority for them. They're solutions in the past, were basically blanket amnesty and no increase in border security. Reagan fell in that trap in '86 and it did nothing to stem the tide.

This. African Americans are about a 50/50 split liberal/conservative, but typical vote Dem because the GOP would cripple their communities even further

>Most of the candidates are for policies that will lead to increased border crossings.

Even if that is true its not open boarders, but you Trump Fan Boys are to simple to understand nuance.

Anyone get one of those great coal mining jobs yet?

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Oh stop it. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with racial motivations. No one has a problem with legal immigration.

Those are only the figures specific for Medicaid. Not all welfare.

>Why do democrats want open borders?

Because they actually know US history and aren't total hypocrites.

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But if it's sliding down the scale to open borders, and the Dems welcome every illegal alien with open arms, what would you call that? The Dems have offered nothing on border security, because they don't have a position, other than making it easier. You can't be this obtuse. What is the Dem position on illegal immigration?

>the GOP would cripple their communities even further

Yep maybe if the GOP didn't back EVERY case of a cop shooting a black kid it would be different

>Oh stop it. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with racial motivations. No one has a problem with legal immigration.

hahaha my sides are gone, under Bush JR you could argue that, Trump has made it very clear its about keeping brown people out. I love when white people try to convince each other its not the case. Like every POC cant hear the racist dog whistles

>MUH INDIANS (feather not dot)

We conquered their land, so they don't get a say anymore.

No they don't.
They don't want the wall because it's inefficient and would lead to a legal mine field. About half of illegals in the country cane here legally and overstayed their visas. There's underground tunnels underneath the border big enough to allow a car to drive through, and they're constantly being dug by the cartels.
The wall would cross through land owner by US and Mexican citizens, which means years of court battles for said land, as well as the rainwater that passes through it used by farmers in both countries.

So yes, speculative

The injuns are dead, get the fuck over it.

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funny, the American Indians are a cautionary tale. If we allow this illegal immigration to continue we will end up like them.

Colonials won by rights on conquest. Not my fault Indians were using bows and arrows when going up against guns...

Do we need another massacre Mr. Injun?

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Actually, some reasonable people might. The United States had a wave of legal immigration in the 19th century. Then there was a wave of legal" immigration in the 20th century. There was a large gap in time of like 70 years between each one. We've had our wave of immigration for the 21st century, and then some. Just having this endless surge of legal or illegal immigrants will indeed turn this country into just another shithole. These things have to be done in phases in order to create a mutual benefit for everyone involved. But we've let emotion overtake, not only our logic, but even our collective rudimentary understanding of history.

No, it will just start a civil war getting rid of them. We can't allow invasive cultures to form colonies here.

>and the Dems welcome every illegal alien with open arms,
They don't

Obama spent billions on border security

So you admit Dems aren't for open boarders?

Any news on Mexico paying for the wall? Or have you tards given up on that? I love hearing the new ideas on how Mexico will pay for it

>But we've let emotion overtake, not only our logic, but even our collective rudimentary understanding of history
but what about the kids!

>Slippery slope fallacy

Dems don't want open borders nor do they welcome every illegal with open arms. They want reform that allows amnesty for contributing illegals and a better process that allows asylum seekers to go through the asylum process without stealing their kids.

I live in California and I know for a fact that Cal number's not true. Pic Related: this is why I so strongly dislike liberals and leftists; they lie about everything. I'm not exaggerating! They LITERALLY DO LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING!
And the only way Democrats can win elections is to cheat their asses off. If all ways of cheating were removed from the election system NO DEMOCRAT WOULD EVER WIN AN ELECTION EVER AGAIN.
Liberals and Leftists are so fucking arrogant that they actually believe we're all some kind of stupid, ignorant trailer trash that can't use a calculator but the truth is the most stupid among us is still smarter than any Liberal Leftist.

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You realize that you’re actually making a strong point for a robust immigration program and a well maintained border right?

The Natives weren’t really big on the whole borders thing, they didn’t mind immigrants showing because hey...plenty of space right? Then they were massacred to near genocidal levels.

So... using that history lesson in the context of modern America: should we just treat our borders like a turnstile or should we maybe show a bit of caution?

Right on brother!

We need more ARYAN, less poop.

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So in other words, the Dems are fine with the status quo. You see, that isn't going to work anymore. I would rather they actually do something for a change instead of the nothing they are currently doing. If a wall is so inefficient, then how come it's been built around civilizations for protection for centuries. Is Israel giving up their walls, because they are so inefficient?

>Inb4 "but NAFTA 2.0 is paying for muh wall"!!!!

You all just go on and on with stuff like this and absolutely refuse to realize that Democrats all over the country are totally sick of it and are walking away from the Democrat party in record numbers. This includes traditionally Hispanic and Black voters who are completely disgusted with you.
But, being convinced that your tactics are "always right" you just keep on doing this stupid shit no matter what the results are because you never pay any attention to the results because you're truly stupid.

See

Whose kids?

>ARYAN, less poop.

Getting rid of the WOPS and Mics as well?

Fucking Italians are the same as a Mexicans.

Don't learn the langue
Live in enclaves
Brought Crime
Catholic (anti democratic by nature)

Ivan, you never disappoint. Ever.

We're not all dead. (I'm Iroquois.) In fact, quite a lot of us are still very much alive and well.
Oh, and guess what? The VAST MAJORITY of us SUPPORT TRUMP so stick THAT in your Liberal ass!

because they hate america

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dont mind me

any kids that don't have an upper middle class American lifestyle

It's always amazing how defensive and butthurt the 'murrican gets when you bring up his own immigration background.

>glazz beats
>we cuncord it
>itz auaz noa

Btw, that "we were conquerors not immigrants"-defense is the one of the most braindead things you can come up with and a declaration of moral bankruptcy at the same time.

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I guess the sanctuary cities are an illusion then. I guess the increase flow of border crossings are an illusion too. And if the slippery slope fallacy is indeed a fallacy, then lets have a discussion on late term abortions.

This stupid PAID SHILL posts this SAME SHIT in EVERY political thread on Yea Forums, on /pol/ and on infinity chan, too. This idiot just keeps calling everyone "Ivan" and accusing everyone of being fucking Russians. Remember this so you'll all know how to recognize it when you see it.

Wasn't much of an explanation, so I don't know what you want me to see.

Why do conservatives defend & vote for nazis?

I'm Native American and you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, kid, so go back to your Anime channel before you totally embarrass yourself with your stupidity and ignorance.

No it isn't. We did conquer them. Sorry if the facts are inconvenient for you.

i didnt i voted for anyone that wasn't shillary and would have voted for Bernie if you cunts hadn't lost your nerve

There are no Nazis.

Sanctuary cities is a blanket term. It could be as simple as requiring ICE agents to get a warrant before they try to detain a suspected illegal.
And border crossings have been decreasing since Obama so I have no idea what you're talking about lol. Do you get all your news from Trump on Twitter?

Also abortions after 21 weeks make up less than 2% of them. You probably think Dems support infanticide

Why do you call your fellow Americans "nazis"? Have you ever seen a real Nazi? Do you even know what they are? Do you even know what a real American is? Are you even FROM America? Is it any wonder that you treat your FELLOW AMERICANS with so much CONTEMPT that we don't trust you and don't want to elect people like you?

>I'm Native American and you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about

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>I guess the sanctuary cities are an illusion then.

Get back on the meds i bet you have lost of illusions qtard

You idiots always use this Native American shit which only straightens the controlled immigration position.

So, instead of voting for a drunk you would have voted for a guy who sold you out for a house? Not even MONEY, a fucking HOUSE! Let that sink in.

Sounds to me like their parents have some work to do.

At this point, I'm not seeing that these individuals you speak of deserve any more than they have currently.

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THERE ARE NO MORE PURE BLOODED INDIANS, THEY'RE DEAD!

Go fuck an arrow head.

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Wait'll you start getting mugged, robbed and burglarized by the Illegals they're going to be dropping in YOUR sanctuary cities. ;)

Who’s defensive? Who’s claiming the moral high ground?

Europeans invaded a land with lax borders and slaughtered the natives. That’s a fact. Now explain to me why Americans should choose to have lax borders?

...keeping in mind that most normal humans are NOT suicidal.

WTF are you talking about?

The number in that calculator is 8 million, eight hundred and 70 thousand, two hundred and sixty.

Dumbass.

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Everyone needs a house

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>The VAST MAJORITY of us SUPPORT TRUMP so stick THAT in your Liberal ass!

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What the migrant detention center would look like if designed by liberals

pic related

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>Now explain to me why Americans should choose to have lax borders?

Because that is how THEY got there, so they have no moral right to deny the same thing to others.

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Everyone is a paid actor and I'm the only real person in the World.

A lot of us don't though but we'll vote for whomever takes the hardest stance against the far-left.

Math doesn't seem to be your strongest my man.

this except there would be no American flag because it's problematic

Maybe you should bow out and let the adults have a discussion.

You're right, it's true. Look, after more than fifty years of having to put up with ignorant, arrogant, stupid, silly, annoying, obnoxious and useless Liberals who "want to help us", do you really think any of us want to VOTE for that shit, to put that SHIT into elected office so they can make into LAW all the stupid, destructive shit they've tried to do to us for literally generations, now?
Would YOU vote for someone who'd strip you of everything you are, traditionally, culturally, historically, mentally, emotionally and psychologically? No, I don't think any of you would. Trump is a great man and we all know it so we voted for him because we also know that he won't do to us what the fucking CHATAKWEK

Democrat here, open borders is an extreme idea and only dumb democrats support it. Often democrats who support open borders are those that see the extreme claims of of rape and violence then look towards their gardener jose and can't help but laugh - because it's just not as big of an issue as right wing media makes it out to be. That said, their ignorant perspective also lends itself to dismissing the very real immigration problems that do exist. This is easy to do because despite living in places with large numbers of immigrants they are usually totally insulated from any problems.

Because spics work hard, haven't you seen mexico?

That place looks like its been filled with people who work hard!

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>Democrat here, open borders is an extreme idea and only dumb democrats support it.
Well, then, I guess that proves that ALL Democrats are dumb.
Except for the ones with enough brains left to actually WalkAway.

that looks like a prison user

Fucking up already dead bodies......Classy!

>>The VAST MAJORITY of us SUPPORT TRUMP so stick THAT in your Liberal ass!

Lost the popular vote, and his voting commission found nothing. The GOP did steal an election in NC's 9th district

>implying all democrats support open borders
Immigration reform is a topic with a wide variety of views and perspectives even within the democratic party. Your over simplification does you injustice.

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The guy was claiming that native Americans vastly support Trump, you punk.

No. I get my news from better sources.

cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

So when I hear calls for abolishing ICE from Dems and California allowing illegals to get drivers licenses,, I'm just imagining that.

What else would you call the killing of a viable fetus in the 3rd trimester? 2% is a lot, when you think about it.

The United States never where a "white country" no matter what these manlets here are trying to shill to you.

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I guess this POQME'TKWE (retarded moron only worse) hasn't figured out, yet, that everyone knows those are lies.

Theres boats near the sewer pipes those beaners are stealing our shit

>What else would you call the killing of a viable fetus in the 3rd trimester? 2% is a lot, when you think about it.
yeah, but 40% of them are niggers

>Wait'll you start getting mugged, robbed and burglarized by the Illegals they're going to be dropping in YOUR sanctuary cities

Lol not what happens but im sure living in Kansas and watching Faux News you have a great idea what the world is like.

No one is asking for open boarders. The only people saying anything about open boarders are people trying to vilify asylum seakers.

Maybe try getting your information from somewhere that isn't so right biased.

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kek

>open boarders
i like by boarders to be open with me

>trying to vilify asylum seakers.
Would you stop calling them asylum seekers. If that's what they were doing, then why not simply go to another country that's closer, instead of the US.

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>Maybe try getting your information from somewhere that isn't so right biased.
So I take it, your information comes from places that show no bias whatsoever.

Here's your (you), kid. Go away, now. ADULTS are talking.

>blacks are only ~13% of the population
>hispanics are ~18% of the population

yet each one of them individually have more than half the amount of people as whites.

There are objectively more blacks or hispanics on welfare per capita by race than whites.

You strike me as the kind of person who would call a burglar an "unregistered resident".

How can you be aware of the left's retardation and still vote for them? Let me guess, letting the country be colonized by Central America is less of an issue to you than climate change? Issues have priorities, user.

Why is OP a retard?

>If that's what they were doing, then why not simply go to another country that's closer, instead of the US

Well, why the fuck did your ancestors got their ass on a boat in Dublin, Hamburg or Genoa when they could have just gone to Switzerland?

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Swing and a miss there, faggot. I call a burglar a burglar and an illegal alien an illegal alien. I'm not the one trying to sugarcoat anything.

Generally, we don’t. We just believe that putting asylum seekers in concentration camps is wrong. Also, we’d like to loosen the restrictions on entry. Studies have shown immigration to be an economic boon in the long run, and the influx of younger workers will help us weather the lowering fertility rate and aging Boomer generation.

Because they weren't seeking asylum you plank, they were trying to get a better life. I get it, but just don't call them asylum seekers, because they are not.

They are not 'asylum seekers'. They are fat and carry smartphones. They are here for gibs. Don't be ignorant.

No journalism can be 100% unbiased, but some sources are better then others by a wide margins. Fox News, Breitbart, Infowars, and the rest of the right wing end of the “news” spectrum are little more then propaganda sites at this point.

Some things you don't hear about in the (Liberal) schools.
In the 1800s it was DEMOCRATS who created the concept of Manifest Destiny and insisted on pushing west. It was DEMOCRATS who came up with the legalized American Gulag system called "reservations". These were vehemently OPPOSED by members of the Republican and Whig parties. It was DEMOCRATS who passed laws giving Native American land to western settlers for FREE. (Democrats have ALWAYS traded free shit for votes.) It was DEMOCRATS who OPPOSED the ending of Slavery before the Civil War. It was DEMOCRATS who passed all the JIM CROW laws AFTER the Civil War. Throughout its existence almost all KKK members were DEMOCRATS.
Democrats can't win elections without CHEATING or buying voters off.
The vast majority of Native Americans in the American Midwest absolutely DESPISE Liberals, especially those stupid, arrogant, know-it-all Liberal college kids.
Liberals and Democrats are a stain on the world. They are a blight on the soul of our Mother Earth, they are a living toxin that poisons everything they touch no matter where they go. The world would be a far better place if they simply didn't exist.

>ignored.

As a democrat living in California my votes have a lot more power than if I were a republican or any other party member for that matter. I can vote in the primary for the party that's going to win my state.

Furthermore, the majority of points on which I agree with republicans have been abandoned by the party. I now identify more with libertarians, but being a member of that party would be pointless.

On most issues I'm a moderate, and so I still have a great deal of overlap with democratic positions. Put all this together and my position as a democrat makes a lot of sense. That said, I don't usually go around telling people my affiliation because I largely disagree with it. I'm just making the best of a shitty situation.

"than", not "then"

Democrats of the 1800s were largely what we would consider modern day Republicans. I guess they don't teach that in the the (Republican) schools.

Apologise NOW

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And CNN isn't? MSNBC, the Daily Show, network news aren't merely propaganda either, in you head. Please. Stop pretending that propaganda isn't everywhere.

>open borders
there's no such thing.

How could anyone trust the word of a person who is THIS contemptuous toward others? This level of contempt gives them the perfect excuse to lie their asses off to us without giving a second thought. These people have proven time and again (through innumerable broken treaties and betrayals) that they can never be trusted.

>On most issues I'm a moderate
I got some news for you then.

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As a Democrat living in California you live under the ILLUSION that your vote has power. The reality is that it has virtually no power at all nor does it really matter to those you waste your vote on. The reality is that the Democrats have established a very powerful political machine in California that allows them to get away with election fraud, using illegals as voters, illegal destruction of Conservative votes among other things.
The reality is that if there were actual fair and honest elections in California every last Democrat would be voted OUT of office in a single day and they would never be elected again!

>How could anyone trust the word of a person who is THIS contemptuous toward others?
Oh, I see. If I don't play along with your newspeak, then I'm just a contemptuous asshole. I don't have contempt for people, I just appreciate the rule of law a little more than you do and I'm not going to put a little smiley face on the fact that someone crossed the border when they shouldn't have.

I would but I happen to be friends with a lot of degenerates and they treat me better than any of my republican friends or family for that matter.

Trust me, I know that Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. are basically the same party. I place in Libertarian Left on the political compass, but I also understand that my ideals aren't solutions and my perspective has to be mediated by real world circumstances.

My number one concern is campaign finance reform. I had some small hopes Trump would do something about it like he promised, but let's be real here, we're all stuck and disillusioned.

So they can buy more votes.

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Actually, the Democrats of the 1800s were toxically "conservative" in the sense that they really were Nazis in all but name and the Republicans were far more liberal, far more like 1960s Kennedy Democrats. Don't try to propagandize someone who knows better but you just go on doing what you do best, which is to lie. (American history is one of my intellectual hobbies.)

I'm not lying, and I'm sure we could both dig up supporting evidence to make a case. History isn't set in stone, and it's largely a guessing game. You should know this if it's a hobby for you.

Again your absolute contempt not only disgusts me but gives me even more reason to distrust you, especially when you make such an amateurish attempt at obfuscation and playing stupid word games as the Left is so inclined to do.
>You are NOT trustworthy, PERIOD.

I was young once and thought I knew it all, too. Fortunately, I grew out of it. I hope you do, too.

degenerates treat you better than you're own family ? you must be an insufferable cunt

It's not that we want open borders. It's that the whole border issue is stupid and not really a big issue. We have probably dozens of other REALLY big issues we should be focusing on but instead this prolapsed fuck stick wants to focus on the border because it's an easy way for him to fire up his base by pointing at some other ethnic group and just calling them bad hombres.

1) We have among the worst healthcare in the entire developed world and we should be focusing on improving that.

2) We have a horrible education system and a fucking lettuce wrap at the head of it. Maybe we should focus on that.

3) Russia just completely fucked our 2016 election (regardless of your party affiliation, it's been objectively proven that Russia completely wrecked the election). Maybe we should focus on electoral integrity.

4) Our income disparity is among the worst in the developed world and at the pace we're going, we're going to have a few trillionaires gracing the cover of Forbes magazine in 2030 while 80% lives in relative poverty and the other 19.99999% scrapes by in the middle class. Maybe we should do something about it.

5) We have a serious issue in this country (as does much of the developed world now) with filter bubbles driven by echo chambers and lies. It started with social media getting exploited to split everyone and it's evolving from there. Maybe we should focus on it a bit.

6) You have an unstable dipshit in North Korea who, if they somehow end up actually finishing off their nuclear program, could send 1/5th of the world into nuclear winter. Maybe we should address this.

I could go on and on and on but our southern border should be pretty fucking far down on the list of priorities.

So Jefferson was toxically conservative. Who knew? Same with Madison, Monroe and John Q Adams.

instead of covering themselves in whites, democrats now cover themselves in black.

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The first things liars always say is "I'm not lying". It's a defensive mechanism and reaction that liars always use and that any first year psychology student would spot in a second.

The data on central and south are bullshit, south america depends more on welfare than anyone else, that these fuckers identify themselves as mexicans so they dont get their asses hauled back to the south so they can cross again from a near checkpoint is another story

Why on Earth would you ever trust an user on Yea Forums. C'mon faggot. Time to step off the ledge.

I think on a very simple level it's because they think they're being kind to people by letting in absolutely anyone who wants in. They think they're helping them.

It's also the first thing people who are telling the truth do when falsely accused. Defensive outrage is the natural response.

Your spin and attempt at trying to turn my words around is the very reason more and more Americans are denouncing their former Liberalism and walking (in some cases running) away from Democrats and everything having to do with the Left because, like me, they're entirely disgusted with being lied to endlessly by haters who want to do nothing more than propagandize and indoctrinate them into their brand of hate so, as far as I'm concerned you can fuck off, you hateful, disgusting Liberal. You have nothing to say that I would listen to.

>ignored.

because it's time for the inferior white race to end. Just relax. Don't fight the inevitable.

Look how many replies this lie got you trumpshit

It's funny because Trump does it all the time.

mind-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/spot-liar-through-text-messages-0155066/

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hope-relationships/201507/6-ways-detect-liar-in-just-seconds

ted.com/talks/pamela_meyer_how_to_spot_a_liar/transcript

You're incredibly easy to see through.

And then those KKK left the democratic party and jump to the republicans after the rest of the dems started supporting the civil right movement.

This thread is why, once the Democrats get back into power, why we need a comprehensive system of licenses for Internet Usage. It would dramatically cut down on Russian Trolling like this.

Ah, yes... The old Leftist trick of blaming the opposition of exactly what you're doing. This is another reason so many now-ex Democrats have walked away, are walking away and will walk away because they, like me, are tired of all the stupid games, bullshit and endless failure.
If Detroit and Chicago are any indication of Democrat policies, and they are, Democrats are the biggest money-wasting, life-destroying failures in American history.

cant wait for 2024 when this clown ends up getting a liberal in office who make everyone get a sex change so eveyone is trans. enjoy you dicks while you can, incels.

And any professional will tell you that spotting a liar over text is next to impossible or at the very least highly unlikely. There are signs in such a situation too of course, they are just less reliable (and different). Apply some context and higher order thinking before jumping to conclusions.

The more you post the more you convince me that Liberals are nothing but nasty, hateful losers. You're also convincing many dozens of others who're also reading this thread.

Both of you do it, faggot.

>The old Leftist trick of blaming the opposition
I didn't realize your stupid President was "Lefitist" because blaming the Democrats is all he does, and so do you.

So many lies it hurts to read

>Liberals
you obviously have some kind of brain damage because of your need to randomly capitalize shit lol

If one faggot on the internet can sway your thoughts that much, you need to give up your right to vote as you're just a liability.

>Liberals are nothing but nasty, hateful losers
Because your side is so warm and accomodating

You're not "any professional" nor are you any KIND of professional. The tragedy is that you're so arrogant that you can't possibly admit when you're wrong about something but here's the irony:

>If you can't admit when you're WRONG then HOW can you ever know when you're REALLY RIGHT?

Let THAT sink in!

user if you have to be "convinced" to support a dipshit like Drumpf, there already was no hope for you.

I didn't say I was a professional, you're jumping to conclusions again - and you have the audacity to give advice for conclusions you've wrongly reached. You won't admit it though, I'm sure this all has to be coming from somewhere. I know it's not me, so I'm looking at you.

That said, I'm not trying to accuse you here. If anything I'd be happy for you to tell me a bit about yourself. How's life user?

different user here
it's impossible to tell which side either of you are on

Yeah, the discussion devolved after he moved it to ad hominem by accusing me of being a liar. That said, my position was that history is a fuzzy things where nothing is set in stone. There is a case to be made that democrats of the past were similar to both modern day republicans and democrats. I lean towards them being more like modern day republicans for various reasons, but the specifics don't seem to matter in this discussion.

Because you gringos are stupid and keep letting us mexicanos in, we are gonna dominate all of USA, we already dominate California and Tejas, whites we are coming for you, kep voting for democrats

Viva MEXICO hijos de puta por fin vamos a conquistarlos gringos pendejos

You all fail to understand (not surprising) that, unlike you, I'm not some weak kid easily swayed by public opinion or by what's considered popular. Being a strong individual certain in his beliefs and well grounded in reality and the truth, nothing you say can change my mind on anything so please do go right ahead and throw your arrogant, immature insults. Show the world what conceited, self-centered, selfish little toadies you all are. Every word you tweet against all of us only serves to help us.
Just as when racists beat and abused the peaceful Civil Rights marchers and demonstrators so did those same demonstrators gain the sympathy and support of the American public, so too shall we gain America's sympathy and ever growing support in the face of your never-ending abuse and violence.
You are all the Bull Conners of the 21st century while all of us united are the 21st century's Martin Luther King.
No man or woman is your enemy.
Truth is your biggest enemy.

>ignored.

>I'm not some weak kid
no you're a weak grumpy old boomer who's the perfect useful idiot to keep this unsustainable right wing paradigm going.

They are nice people

>a strong individual certain in his beliefs and well grounded in reality and the truth
wouldn't go on a rant about how strong they are in the face of some minor disagreements on an anonymous image board.

>Just as when racists beat and abused the peaceful Civil Rights marchers
so you're 100% against Trump's Border Fascism? You oppose the Muslim Ban?
Repealing the ACA? Tax cuts for the richest people?

I'll do the honors:

No, you're not against any of that shit and Democrats are the "real" racists. We can read you idiots like a fucking book.

If you still think Drumpf is a viable option, you are that easily indoctrinated.

This!

doing damage to your own country isnt very nice.

>damage
stop watching Fox News faggot
inb4 no I don't
yes you do

stop it

Literally copypasted from Stormfront, why does hiromoot allow you shitstains to still post here

They don't want open borders. They just don't like demonizing and scapegoating people and putting children in cages.