Serious question: Why can't child molesters just jack off and keep theit hands off of our children...

Serious question: Why can't child molesters just jack off and keep theit hands off of our children? They know it's wrong, just don't do it.

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From our understanding, most do?

We have no fucking idea how many people are pedos because if they seek help the cops get called.

why can't feminists just fuck off and keep their dirty whore mouths shut? They know it's wrong, just don't do it.

Because eventually their desires take over because they have no self control and they probably care about their life so little that they would risk their future rather than just keeping it in the bedroom

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Well, good. Damn. Just control yourself. You're going to scar them for life.

There are more than you would even know

the mind of a pedo sees pedophilia in everyone else. true fact.

Some do. They are the ones you don’t hear about

Most do.

That is 100% correct i see it everywhere, especially at work. One time i saw a guy walk in with a shirt on of a picture of his daughter and on the back it said he loved her more than anything and he could get away with anything and outsmart the fbi

They wouldn't be child molesters then, baka.

>he could get away with anything and outsmart the fbi

that's a lot of text for a t-shirt

It was jot dotted on the back, there were like 7 more things i didnt get to read all the way through as well

>jot dotted

It was what?

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Bullitens, bullet points

How can anyone be a child molester without having molested a child?

You are more likely to molest your own children than a stranger is.

The guy was either really brave or really stupid for wearing it. On a different note, pedos get a bad rep because some can be good and completely contained.

>some can be good and completely contained
That's like saying a fat person on a diet can keep their eating completely contained while sitting inside a mcdonalds drinking a cup of water.

I mean at least hes not acting and going to eat something. Very few pedos go out to places just to scout little girls. Those guys are total creeps

>can’t tell the difference between “child molester” and pedo

Stop trying to make it about the pedos who don’t molest children.

People who do molest children typically cause irreparable to the child which is why more or less everyone hates people who molest children (hence why you have ‘so many’ pedos that don’t touch children)

>the park

I think you meant 'the playground'.

Yeah while I'm sure the punishment fits the crime for that guy. I bet he was sharing his passion with tons of others which only perpetuates the disorder. Why you only got 12 months I have no clue.

>People who do molest children typically cause irreparable to the child which is why more or less everyone hates people who molest children (hence why you have ‘so many’ pedos that don’t touch children)
do we really have to have this conversation again?

Hands off is how many start, the issue with kiddie fuckers is that they become consumed by their sexual attraction to children.

It may begin with just a curiosity but as they spend more and more time thinking about sex with kids they begin to develop compulsive thinking processes relating to kids. So kids = sex.

They then often attempt to justify their desires by concluding that kids can consent or that the damage is minimal. All the while reinforcing the compulsive thinking.

After a while they can't control themselves any more, the thinking is all consuming and like a rabid dog they have to be put down.

This compulsive thinking and behaviours is why they have harddrives with 20,000+ pics and why chemical castration doesnt work. It's no longer sexual, it's a compulsion.

>t. qualified criminal psychologist

Because she was lying about her age to multiple guys. We spoke for a month before she came clean, but I still went through with it.

There were 5 other guys at the time apparently. The other guy that was caught was some 20 year old Army kid.

>I think you meant 'the playground'.
there's a playground that's part of the park yeah, but the kids on the playground are too young.

the teenagers (and adults) are around the baskbetball courts, gazebo, and the grass

Then that makes sense. I'm sure having a good lawyer helps too.

So you're a voyeur then? You never have an urge to talk to any of them or flirt? That's some self control over something most people do instinctively.

Child molesters need to be put down because of that, they have no self control

>They then often attempt to justify their desires by concluding that kids can consent or that the damage is minimal.
might be because those things are true...

You're not getting it. I'm not talking about those who repress their urges.

I'm talking about those who ACT on them, with consenting young people. They, in my eyes, do nothing wrong, as long as they only do things the young one wants, and as long as they make sure nobody gets harmed (physically and/or mentally).

Of course, those who act on their urges, and RAPE people, I do not condone. Whether they rape a child, or a "legal" person, young or old, they're rapists first and foremost, and should go to jail, and, if it exists, to hell.

But, going back to those who have sex with young people the law deems "unfit" to consent, well, no, they're not doing "wrong", they're merely committing a crime, because the law is bad, and should be changed.

Yeah sure

they want it

He was worthless, and he would agree with my statement. Was originally looking at 3-6 months when he was speaking to the prosecutor, but then her father got extremely pissed off and made a stink until they raised it to a point that would get me sent to prison.

It's weird though. In all of the records they had between us, she regularly complained about him having a sexual relationship with her sister and putting a spy camera in her room, but no one ever thought to go after him or at least pull her out of the house.

It's a weird fucking system. US is one of the only countries in the world where I would have become a sex offender for what I did.

you're telling me you don't check out girls in public?

it's not like i sit and stare, i just walk through on my way to the train

i wouldn't randomly talk to some stranger in the park no. if some girl ever talked to me there sure i'd respond, but wouldn't do anything inappropriate if she was underage... but if she was 16, then it would be on (16 is the age of consent here)

because your children are so pretty, you should take it as a compliment.

as for enforcement, what do you suggest.
that's like saying why do thieves steal

yet can't cite a single case to prove his point yet there are hundreds of thousands of cases to prove the opposite.

Literally none of the people I replied to were saying any of that.

I completely get your point and I agree to some extent that if you’re having sexual with someone the law seems unfit to consent doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong.

But I don’t agree that the law is bad. Because in terms of being “fit to consent” everyone would be ready at a different age, but having an age of consent where you can be sure that late maturers (as in mental maturity) are still protected by the law and can’t be manipulated. I don’t know what age you think that people are typically capable of consenting, but it’s ridiculous if you think it’s anything before puberty

yeah the case as actually the opposite in regards to harm... nobody has yet refuted rind et al. and ulrich et al. every paper you could cite in opposition includes cases where there's age-independent harms, incest, force, and coercion, to poison the well.

as far as consent, that's more a matter of opinion, some countries say 12 year olds can consent, some say only 18 year olds can consent... but come up with a way of establishing what meaningful consent is that excludes people who've reached the age of reason but have reached some arbitrary line in their teens. then compare the line against 'consent' to any non-sex activity--- lots of things more harmful than sex that kids can consent to participating in.

Honestly I think 14 and up can consent, and it wouldn't fuck their insides up, but anything below that and your a piece of shit

From what I've read about them, it's less about sex and more about corrupting someone and having power over them. Even though molesters get a sexual thrill out of all this, that thrill is based on ruining something innocent and not bodies. Therefore, masturbating doesn't help all that much -- there's no corruption or power abuse when jacking off.

>has yet refuted rind et al. and ulrich et al.

you seem to think these bogus studies you keep reciting like it's the holy bible has any merit whatsoever to anyone except pedophiles.

Most do.

The proportion is much higher than most people realize. There's also a decent amount of fempeds out there too.

Femped sex is best sex.

there's two main groups; the one you describe is indeed the larger group of molesters, but there's definitely another group that are legit pedophiles.

yes any study that disagrees with your opinion is fake.

the merit is more derived from the complete absence of contradictory findings... go ahead, cite something that shows substantial harm without including cases of incest, force, or coercion.

Because sexuality is not a thing you can ignore forever. And there is no place they can go to get help because if they do, they risk getting exposed and lose job, family and friends. So some of them eventually lose their minds.

>without including

without including things that matter, let's just redefine the word rape while we're at it.

part of the problem is that people include hebephilia and ephebophilia in what they think of as pedophilia; it's perfectly natural to be attracted to anyone displaying secondary sexual characteristics, therefore majorities fall into that category. actual attraction to prepubescent kids is far less common.

I was one of those ( )
That's why I said it's FORBIDDEN, but not necessarily WRONG.

Rape is wrong, but teaching sex in a safe manner, which doesn't scar the young one, is not. Because one can act so that there are no physical consequences, and mental consequences are even easier to avoid, you just have to keep it consensual, with a young one which understands what is going on, and is willing to try.

well you'd have to

rape and consensual sex aren't the same thing.

It always scars them, let's not try and pretend otherwise. This is coming from someone who did exactly what you're talking about and can see the impact just five years later.

It starts off like that and for some it stays that way. However for quite a few, just jerking off gets quite old and they need something else. You can imagine where that would lead to.

Oh yeah I forget you have a different definition of consensual as well. Good luck trying to convince 90% of society to change these definitions that they take as fact now.

I agree.

But try to explain the difference between dudes that wanna bonk 14year olds and dudes that wanna bonk 4 year olds and people flip out.

>Muh hebephilia, you're all kid fuckers to me! Line up anyone that likes children under 18 and kill em all!

Retards. They're the reason we can't have nice things.

Your really going to say when you were 5 you wanted to fuck

Dont you induldge in something at some point no matter how much you try not to?

well there's already wide disagreement about who consent to what and when.

there's no universal age of consent.

Also, I was ready to consent by 11 or 12 (can't remember exactly).
I was informed, I was willing, so, where would have been the harm ?

Plus, you talk about "not being manipulated". You're aware, I'm sure, that you can be manipulated at any age ? There are still people in their 30s which get manipulated, shilled, conned, etc... so, you do not have to try and be "extra protective" around young people. You just have to make sure the law covers both cases.

- Everyone is willing, no harm done => legal.
- Everyone is willing, but harm done by carelessness (like, a monster-cock shredding a tight hole, ripping flesh, etc...) => illegal, at least if one of them should have known better. After, if both knowing adults... well, on their heads be it.
- Someone unwilling => Rape, thus illegal.

Why make special cases for age ? Maturity is a good criterion, but age is not :)

Not to be a pedantic ass, but in at least some cases the scars of what a lot of people would term sexual abuse come from the shame of society seeing you as a victim of sexual abuse, not from the sexual contact. Throughout history there were cultures that held different values on the subject and dont view themselves collectively as scarred or damaged.

Different guy here. I was horny and masturbating at 5.

Of the handful of girls that I know that are into this kind of stuff, all of them were ready for sex at 8 or 9. My current wishes she could go back in time to when she was ten and get fucked by me as an adult now lol.

Sexuality is weird.

in some societies it was normal for mothers to relieve their toddlers stress by performing oral sex on them.

that's like trying to explain the significant difference between transexuals, transvestites, drag queens, gender fluid etc.

Because it's probably all too easy to get away with. Kids, especially vulnerable ones that nobody's really looking after, are naive and easy to manipulate. That's why pedos should just have the option to an hero or move to a pedo colony in Antarctica only the bus ride there is actually a gas chamber

So, 13 and 364 days, and I'm a piece of shit.
Fuck that on the morrow, when it's its birthday, and I'm fine ?

Really, user... that bait is of shitty quality.

There's a lot of naughty mom's doing shit on cam out there these days, so that's not really that surprising to me.

his desires

No you weren't, you just like to think you were. You literally had no idea about how it would transform your sexual identity, and any adult that chose to participate in it with you would completely transform how you view healthy sexuality.

And of course any one can be manipulated, but children and teenagers are significantly more susceptible, and it has a greater impact on their mental health and sexuality going forward for the rest of their lives.

Should there be life-altering legal punishment for fucking a legal minor? No, that genuinely punishes both parties. But let's also not pretend like it's okay and the "adult" in the situation doesn't have some serious issues they need to fix before having sex with anyone.

Why would it scar someone ? I mean, if willing, if not boundaries are broken, if they just try what they intend to try, and then see if they like (or dislike) it ?

If there is no bodily harm, no unwanted pregnancy, why would it be harmful ? You gotta agree a bad sex experience can occur at any age, and that it has no reason to scar somebody for life, if it's not traumatic. Simply not enjoying something is not enough to cause trauma.

Being used against your will, or harmed, on the other hand, CAN. But that's not what I'm talking about, here. I'm talking about sex where everything is consensual, and where if someone says "STOP", people stop. Where communication is of utmost importance, and where respect is primordial, too.

>Why make special cases for age ? Maturity is a good criterion, but age is not

Cause a line has to be drawn somewhere, and we collectively aren't able to dedicate the bandwidth to "case by case". And given the proven untrustworthyness of predators (not specifically paedophiles, just those who would attempt to prey on anyone vulnerable) the assumed consensus is to err on the side of caution and try to align consent with other age of majority/responsibility stuff.

>Multiple people are telling you they would be consenting to sex at various ages all under the age of legal consent

>"No, you don't know what consent is, you can't consent"

Full retard.

You couldn't wait a day?

because they're "child molestors"
they wouldn't be child molestors if they kept their hands off children

Because eventually sexual desire overrides their ability to control themselves. That’s why we need to put these people down.

if it bleeds it's ready to breed. sorry we are just animals in an animal kingdom.

Nope. As I said in another reply, I started willing when I was 11 or 12 (can't remember exactly).

Before that, when in "Collège" (in france, it's between elementary school and high school), I thought sex was gross, unhygienic, etc. I wasn't interested at all.

At 5, though, I might not have had these hygiene thoughts. I might have been down to try something (I was kinda curious), and I honestly doubt it would have fucked me up, as long as I was willing.

As for being used against my will, I honestly don't know what would have resulted from it. At 5, I guess I might have forgotten about it - I have very few memories of that time - but at 10, it would have had the potential to really make me angry with the offender. However, it will remain speculative, because it didn't happen.

On the other hand, I'm cross with the adults which cock-blocked me whenever they could, when I was definitely ready, but thought to be "too young". So many possibilities wasted because of conservative minds...

Consider reading Out of the Shadows by Patrick Carnes and Love Sense by Dr. Sue Johnson.

I suspect you would benefit immensely from them.

Kinda my point. And in some currently existing cultures there ritual sex acts between adult tribe members and children, including semen consumption (to both pass on essence of virility and masculinity), older women teaching boys on the cusp of manhood how to have sex that's enjoyable for both partners in preparation for finding a wife,and a whole world of things that outsiders would insist need to stop because they object. But its not an outsiders fucking place and nobody from these cultures feels any more scarred by it than Americans do about needing a car in the midwest, or seeking some beer or weed from your parents stash. Its just a part of life and growing up.
Hell we can't get half of America to stop cutting the tips off of baby dicks just because their fathers did it going back generations. Stemming supposedly from the idea that it would curtail masturbation

I knew what sex was. I had seen pictures (drawings, from dictionaries, etc). I knew how babies were made. I knew about STDs (was in the late 80s, early 90s - AIDS period) and how to protect against them => use condoms.

And I had worked out the "sex is unhygienic" state of mind, and decided that it couldn't be that unhygienic, or else, humanity would have gone extinct now from the diseases.

So, yeah, I was informed, and I was willing to try. I'm not saying it would not have changed me - everything changes you, every experience, for better or for worse. But I'm positive that, as long as I was not FORCED to do anything, there wouldn't have been any reason for me to freak out.

Of course, at that time, 20yo was about the max I was considering, as other females just looked "too old" to me. Guess what ? I didn't change my mind, most of the time, I have difficulty finding older women attractive. Of course, there ARE women in their 30s, even sometime in their 40s, that I find attractive. But I don't like MILFs, I'd much rather have teens, thank you very much.

So, nope, I see nothing wrong in enjoying sex at a young age, and I despise people who forbid young people to do so, and thus, make them waste precious years of their lives.

Life is short, and one should enjoy it while it still is enjoyable.

I've always had a thing for little girls, but I personally watch Henti. It's not illegal to have underage cartoons, and nobody gets harmed. I will say the downside to suffering from pedophilia is it's really difficult to have serious relationships with adult women once you tell them you have a thing for little girls. I've yet to meet anyone who is willing to accept my neurological condition for what it is, not my fault. I was born like this, just like gays are born being attracted to the same sex. I know it's wrong, that's why I watch henti. I've sought help before and short of a lobotomy, nothing really sticks, and I've since come to terms I'll probably die alone. In the past I've committed suicide twice. First time I regretted it and called 911, the second time my roomate found me and called the 911. Its really difficult being hated by society for something I have no control over, but until that changes, it's something I'll have to deal with the rest of my life.

Yes, but still, people can call for justice if 'abused', even after they are legal, right ?
Also, there are cases where it is ruled that the young one WAS mature enough, and where the perpetrator is set free. Maybe not in the US, mind you, but it happened, here, in France (and it caused an uproar, by "moralfags", too).

So, why bother with the limit anyway ?
Let people know that the rule is NOT to abuse other people, and go with it.

Also, for those who do not care (and will abuse anyone anyway), we could give more to the justice system. Because society would be better off without them.

But why wait a day, when the limit is clearly arbitrary ? Some countries say it's 12, some others 14, 15, 16, 17, 18...

Are you telling me that people grow up faster depending on the country, and all these limits are fully customized to be the perfect fit for the population ?

Some people WILL be ready at age 10, or even earlier. Some people WON'T be ready before they turn 20, and maybe never will. Making a general rule make it "easy" to enforce, but is a real hurdle for those it prevents from enjoying their life, and sharing that with other people.

If one told you you cannot use a knife, because, you know, "some people will abuse it, and stab others", you would probably say it's bullshit. I feel the same about that age limit.

>Let people know that the rule is NOT to abuse other people, and go with it.
And in a perfect world nobody would exploit others and the rule wouldn't be needed to begin with. We do not live in a perfect world, we live in a world where we have to compromise just to get shit done. We need those moral fags to implement a lot of shit, so we have to concede some to their point of view, else we start killing each other.

>17 years 364 days
>no you cannot consent you have no idea what you're getting into you dumb child

>18 years
>okay now you're magically fine to consent despite not being able to 24 hours ago

well, killing the moral fags could be a good start ;)

My ex's 12 year old sister would offer herself to me. One time she straddled my head while I was napping and rubbed her bare pussy on my face. Sometimes, the molester is a child.

>people grow up faster depending on the country
Funny enough there might be some validity to this statement. A generational study has concluded that different contemporary cultures hit different developmental milestones at different ages. Like cultures that exceedingly celebrate personal independence have their first distinct memories by around 3, and others are later than 5, but likewise some cultures experience more advanced social integration and empathy than others.

>If one told you you cannot use a knife, because, you know, "some people will abuse it, and stab others", you would probably say it's bullshit.

And yet, neither of us can take a knife onto an airplane, into the tax offices, or a sporting event in over half the world.

Oh, I get it.
Posting here elicits a response with an implied accustation of being a pedo.
Gr8 b8!

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From someone who lost their virginity at age 12 honestly not that big of a deal I knew what sex was I knew what I wanted and enjoyed every second of it now with the tech we have kids are learning about sex at a much earlier age and getting sexually active we had a bunch of kids 9 to 13 getting caught fucking In school where I live so I'd say at this point aoc doesnt really matter much anymore

Serious question: Why can't men just jack off and keep their hands off women? They know it's wrong, just don't do it.

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In my fantasy im right there looking murder as many as possible. In the starkness of reality eventually the camps just get broader definitions of moral fags until there's only two people left, and one murders the other cause they were sick of being raped in their sleep.

Just move to Thailand or some 3rd country with a few thousand live like a king and fuck underage girls

I have to agree about the "growing faster depending on the country". However, the age of consent is primarily political, not the result of a careful study.

I mean, just look at France in 1968. Majority was 21 years. After the riots and the demands from French youngsters, Majority age was lowered to 18.

Did these young people magically become capable of handling themselves 3 years earlier ? No, they just obtained a political victory, and got more civil rights.

Now, majority is different from sexual majority, but still, the decision is political first and foremost, and is dictated by the opinions which prevail at the time. During the hippy period, sex with children wasn't seen as taboo, because it was make love, not war, etc.

Now, these people are seen as dirty pedophiles which need to be lined up and shot.

There are islands (Marquises, for instance) where children would have sex with adults, and would do so eagerly, too, because it meant being accepted as "grown up". They continued to fuck after that, and weren't traumatized, or whatever. Because it wasn't done against their will, and because society didn't see it as horrible.

There are young people who enjoyed having sex with adults, and which only get "traumatized" when parents/cops/justice start to butt in, and they are made to think that it was oh so horrible, and how could they enjoy this, and their partner is a monster, etc.
And, magically, a lot of them ARE traumatized, after such a treatment...

So, tell me, is the trauma coming, in these cases, from the act, of from how society reacts to the act (and all the shit that goes with it) ?

Looks to me that it is society's view which is toxic (like, being singled out at school for having had sex - and having the gall to have enjoyed it, too ! - being forced to change schools because of over-the-top bullying, being forced to relocate... well, because people are massive jerks, in short)

>primarily political, not the result of a careful study
Careful study? We cobble together barely working intricate systems built on top of forgotten understandings of made up traditions and hold them up as ideal institutions, and you think this is the hill to die on for the initialization of radical change to a rational based system of rules?

... wait, let me laugh even harder!

Nah, you got me wrong. I'm saying Age of Consent is utter bullshit.

But I never said it was THE thing to change. The whole system is skewed, and I really wish we could get a true democracy, for instance.

Or, at least, a No-Moron-ocracy (in fact, that would be even better - but hard to put in place, and probably prone to abuse).

out of context that means nothing, I get it.
ha haaaa I like that sort of humour.

>Nah, you got me wrong.
Fair enough.

And you're not wrong, but most of it is bullshit. But its bullshit we go along with because the alternatives have tended toward madness and terror, or we've been lead to believe they end in disaster by those invested in profiting from the status quo or other specific changes that run counter to our collective interests.

Personally id rather a benevolent dictatorship but as that couldn't realistically last past a generation... Democracy is too fickle when my ignorance is as valid as someone else's knowledge. Representational democracy would be nice, but only if we could impliment it closer to a lottery and ensure not only meaningful education, but accountability for inaction as much as action.

But this is getting off topic.

Yup, just like how you are a murderer if you've ever had violent thoughts

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Well, benevolent dictatorship, where the benevolent dictator is really competent, just, educated, and really wants to make everyone as happy as could be, yep, I could get behind that.

But of course, yes, it only works as long as the benevolent dictator matches the - rather drastic - criterias of "fitness for the purpose".

Democracy is dictatorship of the majority, and there are, unfortunately, many morons. But representational democracy is what we have in France, or in the US, or in most "democratic" countries (switzerland apart - they have counterweight with the "votations").
I can tell that "representative" democracy is mostly a "choose who will exploit you for the next term" system. Usually, leaders mostly care for themselves and their mighty supporters, not much for the People.

What we need is better education overall, and, at the very least, a way to oust politicians if they go against the will of the People. If not a way to let the People rule itself.

But you're right, it's off topic. Also, I need to work, got a project whose deadline is tomorrow, so toodles !
Was nice discussing with you :)