Thoughts on Antifa?

ALWAYS. Antifa from Italy here

cool

Keep up the good fight, comrade.

You IQ argument might carry more weight if whoever made that cartoon could spell...

true.

By being "Anti" they are making themselves submissive to Fascists course of action.

submissive cucks - that's my verdict.

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Edgelords with too much free time.
Not to mention the shocking amounts of them that are communists, which is just a different flavor of evil.

This unironically. They are bunch of whiny hypocrites, that can't handle truth and always take shit too seriously, because "muh feelings and morality", meanwhile they are just bunch of sociopathic anarchists with next to no perception what should be done for better tomorrow.

I do think that actual fascists should be deplatformed so they can't push violent rhetoric and propoganda onto the fucking rubes who don't realize the fascies have gone crypto. But I also think the kids who are currently engaged in anti-fa action have way too fucking broad of a definition of fascist. Every chud with a MAGA hat isn't a fascist they're usually just dumb.

Calling someone comrade doesn't make me a marxist-leninist, you dipshit.

Antifa = 21st century's fascists. What an irony.

this

Let me refer you to

>have way too fucking broad of a definition of fascist
I confirm that, have asked a few of them about definition of fascism, got no answer.
One guy said that definition of fascism is so big that he have even written a master thesis in 40 pages about it.

submissive cucks, as I said.

Stooging for Stalinists does make you a 'Useful Idiot' however...

Well tbh everyone should be antifa, a fighter for Freedom. Antifa =/= communism or socialism

Literally the only correct political position.

VERY MUCH THIS UNIRONICALLY

Lacking a political education makes you a political tool.

Want to criticize a subject - go and fucking study it first.

>Anyone I disagree with should be silenced by whatever means come to hand.
Proudly calling themselves ANTI Fascist and seeing no conflict whatever.
Cretins.

Giovanni Gentile is the Father of Fascism. He's to Fascism, what Karl Marx is to Marxism.
Gentile was a socialist as well.

And that's the exact reason why this retards will never win.

You're much dumber than I thought.

Just another quasi-communist group try to brainwash White young people into abandoning their race to become mullato cogs in the Jewish machine.
14/88

russian shilling

I mean like it's actually pretty easy you just gotta check some boxes

>Appeal to a sense of a better time period in the past
>The in group, white people, western european culture etc. Is supposed to be strong or was strong and is facing issues preventing that strength from being realized.
>Current issues are due to a specific group (((globalists))), Jews, brown people, etc.
>Advocate for the removal, separation of, or isolation from, said group of people

Cuz the logical conclusion of those four things is violence on a mass scale, at least in America where there really is no ethnic/religious group that doesn't already exist here in large numbers

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Commie drug addicted sexual deviant terrorists living off their parents charity using the excuse of "anti" "helping" to commit terrorism for a cause they know nothing about but because someone told them it was good.
Their bogeyman doesn't exist and hasn't for a long time but it vary well could if they're not dealt with. And they'd quickly lose that fight over night as they're the ones in favor of restricting freedoms and speech, use of violence towards anyone not of their hivemind while the opposition is welcoming it.

>Giovanni Gentile is the Father of Fascism.
>Gentile was a socialist as well.
If you knew what you are talking about you would understand that you can be only one of those.

Run back to /pol/, you troglodyte.

>you misspelled a word that means you're wrong hurrr
k den

Fascist rhetoric with no sign of self awareness.
Clowns throwing bricks...

>any means necessary
>only willing to punch them

Exactly.

>shows how terrible fascism is
>depicts his own side as an "opposition" (completely leaves out the ideological aspects of his own side)
>strawmanning centrists

This cartoon is absolutely worthless and someone on the far-right could have made the same thing the other way around.

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>Implying fascists don't exist

Have you been to /pol/in the last three years or watched any of the footage from the Unite the Right rally?

Which is ironic, as Fascism is Left wing.
Big Government. The People serve the State. The State is number one, etc, etc.
Astounds me how 98% of the global population have allowed the Left to convince them that all of the above is Right Wing.
Since when has the Right wing been about the State, and subservience to the State.
Antifa are Fascists. Everyone, including them are too fucking dense to see it.

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On the contrary. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know they were two sides of the same coins. Neither has anything to do with the Right side of the political spectrum.

The fact that you can't recognize fascism in the real world is evidence that you don't know what it means. Have you seen the footage from Unite the Right alone?

I have, tyranny is the enemy and you're in the streets fighting to establish it...

Another moron that thinks Fascism is Right wing

Self awareness will get you farther...

This is actually the most retarded thing I have ever seem in my entire life. I want to bleach my eyes out.

they are a bunch of unregulated, retard, thugs.
if they get shot, I don't care. I see them as a far-left version of the old Nazi SA, just without the uniforms.

fuck them

define fascism

This would actually carry weight if by "nazi" you didn't mean "literally anyone who disagrees with me about anything including whether Rick & Morty sucks ass or not".

All of these are just a set of exterior features.
While definition has to mark out its core features.

But, yeah this antifa faggots should be able at least answer with something like this.

Fuck you. I find more reasonable racially aware Whites here. Go back to you faggot trap thread and let the adults talk.

The checks from Moscow Center stopped in '92, these idiots are just general purpose wreckers running on inertia...

Stop, man, you are burying yourself even deeper.
Go read the Capital, or something.

You are retarded if you actually believe they attack only “nazis” and fascists”. they attack anyone why they “think” is one, and 99% of the time they are wrong in their judgement.

I mean left wing is about economic collective ownership of the means of production, there are a lot of anarcho/libertarian communists who believe in the abolishment of a central government and just want to see that takedown of power structures expanded into capital.

Fascism to me comes more from the authoritarian/libertarian divide than any economic policies. Pinochet was radically free market, and a radical authoritarian, Hitler still allowed private ownership of companies and corporations and generally allowed more corporate freedom during the wartime economy than the United States, but Mao and Stalin also both also engaged in fascist ethnic cleansings.

>Fighting for working class rights = nazism

>Being an actual nazi = right wing anarchist freedom fighter

You’re fucking retarded

>the fascies have gone crypto
Kek, no they fucking haven't. Just because they make points you can't counterarge logically doesn't mean it's fucking "crypto" you faggot.
Explain why they're wrong, about individual points, don't fucking tantrum.

Gay nigger cucks

I'm not an antifa, retard.
But please continue to demonstrating us your tool way of thought.

Tell that to Benito, the attempted institutions of the Salo Republic will be quite instructive...

Sodomites and losers.

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FUCKING THIS
If they can btfo you with a one sentence meme & you can only counterargue it with 200 pages of text so everyone TLDRs & listens to them instead, YOU'RE PROBABLY WRONG & have been crypto'd yourself.

An ideology based on the concept of a race or people needing to be pure or go back to a better time where they were culturally and morally superior. In order to accomplish this, fascists will use propaganda and political power to push for violence against members of other ethnic, racial, or political groups. People like this exist, especially on Yea Forums. Don't tell me these people don't exist.

If you read the NASDP manifestio, it's repleat with State ownership of Corporations, once those Corporations become too big. So under Naziism, Apple, Google, Amazon would be taken over by the State, and probably broken up.
The Right would never do that.

/pol/ is about 100,000 poster from all over the globe not centralized in america. 1/4 is shitposts 1/4 is shills 1/4 is spam 1/4 is sincere
Unite the right was and is meant to bring every right leaning group together for a common cause. Kinda like two different conservative parties joining together. It was a bust that amounted to nothing that dose not represent the majority of americans.
What you're doing is fear mongering. Fascism does not exist in america the way you believe. It exists in pockets that are nobodies not a single person pays attention to.
Stop living on the internet and you'll quickly find your fear doesn't exist. You'll also find their are just as plenty of "minorities" who are right leaning not fascists.

When you're making claims based on intelligence your credibility suffers when you do idiotic things.

Typical Lefty counter Argument. Address his points, or gtfo

What they refer to as fascism is in fact White Nationalism which combine aspects of fascism with traditional conservative moral stances. It is therefore farther right than traditional conservatism.

I mean crypto as a reference to their gradual move away from what they're actually saying, and what point is supposed to land.

Like how it's gone from Jews to globalists, and the white race to western european culture.

The machinations of international Jewry to white genocide to the great replacement to globalism.

The message has always stayed the same, but your average overweight fuck who works down at the racism factory or at megacorp as a pencil pusher doesn't know any fascists besides the ones screaming about the Juden with a tiny moustache.

Pussies that want to do fascist shit but also feel righteous about it.

Lefty detected

they're dumb. They think they can stop the alt right if they're only willing to punch them, while the alt right has clearly shown they're willing to kill their opponents.

explain yourself.
Do you think that calling your republic "social" instantly makes it socialistic?

I hate Antifa more then Isis and alkaida I mean the terrorists from the east for there God but Antifa is straight up do it for nothing im the famous Pic where an member of antifa fights a trashcan because he thinks this green trashcan is to white for him

It is because communist/socialist idiots pulled the spectrum so far left they are now right wing.

This is why people think fascists don't exist.

Fascism =/= nationalism / racism

Anarchist Antifa reporting in. Fuck the police. Fuck the fascist government. And if you expropriate labor from other people so you can make a profit, fuck you, too.

where from exactly did you learn about communism and socialism?

Fight on brothers

> says 2+2 = 5
> gets told 2+2= 4
> “typical liberal response! Why don’t you counter my argument?!?”

what are you gonna do? punch people, knock over more trash cans, and break windows?

Probably the most truthful thing you've seen lately.
Naturally that threatens your cognitive dissonance...

good post

Needs to be purged!

free tight boipussies and regular pussies, like em

>their gradual move away from what they're actually saying, and what point is supposed to land
But making small points that build into larger ones IS HOW DEBATING IS SUPPOSED TO WORK.
Just because you disagree with the larger point yet agree with each individual one supporting it doesn't mean you can suddenly ignore the supporting points. That's some serious brainlet shit.

We fight for the freedom of all people

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I mean it has always been a tendency for fascists to adopt leftist messaging because that messaging has been historically popular with the working class and poor of society.

But actual(non-authoritarian) leftism advocates for the dismantling of power structures and the equality of all members of the working class which doesn't jive well with deleting ethnic groups from existing.

Fuck ya

I don't care to hurt trash cans or windows... They can be reclaimed by the working people. And punching's not my style. Sabotaging property owners and their livelihoods is more my specialty.

It's not debate, it's hiding there true beliefs and motives. They're keeping their power level low.

Right on, comrade

angry white people

Those aren't supporting points they're the same point ran through Google translate a few times and they all argue for a innately better ethnic group being weakened by a third party which must be removed

>except the white people cause fuck every one of those racists
>individual actions by blacks or muslims don't represent blacks or muslims as a whole
>but each individual action by whites represents whites as a whole, every time

you do realize that the CNT-FAI got defeated by fascists, right?

They made me realize the holocaust never happened although it should

50+ years of observation and fighting communist. I am an old conservative White Nationalist.

>An ideology based on the concept of national pride
FTFY
>go back to a better time where they were culturally and morally superior
When something has devolved there is nothing inherently wrong with longing for pasted successes
>In order to accomplish this, fascists will use
Current political tools used by all parties and the current law or be prosecuted by the established law
>People like this exist, especially on Yea Forums. Don't tell me these people don't exist
People like that also exist all over the political spectrum. Don't tell me these people don't exist

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>hiding there true beliefs and motives
Yes, because outright saying it gets people to walk away without listening. But slowly building there WITH FACTS AND LOGIC makes it impossible to.
That tends to mean THEY'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT you faggot.

>they all argue for a innately better ethnic group being weakened by a third party which must be removed
Bullshit. Either you agree with the individual points that support the larger one or you don't.

Yup, fascists would never allow an egalitarian society to flourish. This is why we need to shut them down.

>Egalitarian society
>CNT-FAI killing people for assuming them to be too rich or being religious

Most people don't care about equality & are fine with it.
It's when you all started to move beyond that to "equity" you lost everyone. Equality means calling black people out for racist bullshit they say about whites the exact same way you call whites out.

What the fuck are you even trying to say dude? I disagree with literally every single one of those points.

Like I get that you're trying to do that whole control the conversation and distract from my actual points, but you really just sound fucking incoherent.

Anarchy sounds wonderful in theory, in practice you get variations on Somalia.
You'll need to edit/reprogram humanity for it to function, just like Communism and or Libertarianism, and I'm not on board for that...

>I disagree with literally every single one of those points
What fucking points? That building a larger argument out of smaller, inarguable points makes the smaller points untrue because you disagree with the larger one?
What the fuck kind of idiotic bullshit is that?

proud antifascist, ama
siamo tutti antifascisti

>Either you agree with the individual points that support the larger one or you don't
>You agree with everything or nothing
>It's all black and white

So, for all this 50+ years you haven't even read the Capital or any of Lenins works.
And you call yourself a "fighter against communism".

You are basically saying that you've get known from someone that communism is bad and since then you never even asked a single question about contents of their ideology.
Even communists study Mussolinis "Doctrine of Fascism".

You are the exact definition of a tool, my retarded fella.

holy fuck right wing libertarians really are the most retarded people on the planet. How the fuck did you manage to read atlas shrugged but not literally anything else in your entire life?

I mean anarcho-syndicalim worked pretty well in Catalonia before the Soviet backed Fascists destroyed it

>It's all black and white
Most of the time IT IS. You all clearly don't think racism is a grey area, do you?

>in practice you get variations on Somalia
Revolutionary Catalonia?
Paris Commune?
Rojava?
All functioning anarchist societies. Rojava, in fact, exists right now. Look it up.

>says 2+2=4
>KoolAide drinker insists 2+2=5
>KoolAide drinker refuses to back up his assertions...

Crossdressers, Faggots and mental defectives who believe standing up for a cause will somehow legitimize their degeneracy by demonizing what's logical and normal.

The argument was about fucking dog whistles and cover terms not the abstract nature of arguing. Plus the fact that you think Globalists perpetuating a white genocide is an impossible to counter supporting point in an argument is fucking hilarious.

You are actually showing that this definition is wrong, not that fascism is good.
Typical sophism.

This and both fucking sides are guilty of this shit.

useful idiots....but so are most people, difference being they aren't proud of it

>"normal" = "logical"
okay

and they even exist while being the victims of a
war of aggression by turkey and isis

>the fact that you think Globalists perpetuating a white genocide is an impossible to counter supporting point in an argument is fucking hilarious
When did I ever fucking say that?
Who's fucking strawmanning here? Looks like you.

thanks, except they were also backed by germany.
Lenin really was a traitor to the revolution.

Absolutely a Retarded Fucking Joke

They all require a bullet in the head. Fucking clueless children

>dog whistles
IF YOU AREN'T A DOG ALREADY YOU CAN'T HEAR DOG WHISTLES ***EVER*** YOU FUCKING BRAINLET MORON.

Bunch of happy idealists, the NKVD and their Spanish stooges murdered them in truckloads, Franco buried what was left...

>Somalia
this is hilarious because the failing african non states are exactly what righting """libertarians""" want. Little to no state, perfectly unregulated markets and nearly everything is practically legal. Who would have thought that its a stagnant hellscape where might makes right and corruption and murder are the winning moves.

Yes I have read Das Capital. It was just another handbook for achieving the globalist Jewish agenda.
My fighting against communism came in the military fighting real communists. Now it is fighting the wannabes that want to bring about the resurrection of a bad ideal.

cool you're jets, there, buddy. Need a rest? maybe a snack or something?

antifa is gay 1488

Yeah, I know that part, I just hate that people view 100% of leftists as Stalinists or Maoists when they both shit on the anti-authoritarians within leftism

*right wing

the freedom to act like degenerate faggots?

big this

After the Communists murdered shitloads of them...

good people but we should really should stop trying to block nazis and move on to setting their houses on fire while they sleep. Blocking clearly isnt working. Also America barely has a left, how the fuck are they supposed to have a proper antifa

Catalonia was around for 3 years
Paris Commune was around for 2 months
Rojava has been around for 7 years.
Sure they lasted in the short term
but will last in the long term?

want to destroy fascism by being fascism itself

Probably if they don't get crushed by external meddling

this man doesnt know what hes talking about and dunning krugers the fuck out his worldview he mostly got from watching some koch mouthpiece on youtube.

>Be Antifa
>Label everyone who disagrees with me a Nazi
>Be a fucking nuisance no matter where I am
>Wonder why everyone hates me
>I'm not the problem, you're the problem

Antifa are retarded and what you posted is retarded.

depends, does America exist to sponsor a brutal genocidal regime that cuts off childrens heads until the peasants get back in line?

That was the intended point, if you read the other two anons posts i'd be clearly seen for anyone.
>Typical sophism
Not in the slightest. And the fact you know i was correcting definition terms i know you're smart enough to know that's not true.
If it need's to be cleared yo, i'm not in favor of fascism i quite like the current quota despite not much getting done.

Empirically, we don't know, but statists will never want to risk finding out. That's why all communes are always crushed just when they start doing good for their people.

What is Das Capital all about?
What did Marx written about fascism and communism in the second book of Das Capital?
What are He's definitions of imperialism and fascism?
What exactly is wrong in Das Capital?

It would be easy to answer this questions if you actually read it and found it wrong.

spicy take: socialism is inherently incompatible with authoritarian government.

Now, if you included the Communist faction in that statement we'd have something to talk about.

YEESSSSS GOD YES

BUNCH OF PUSSIES
ACTING LIKE ACTUAL FASCISTS

should all be lined up and shot
survivors should be shot again

This is correct

bunch of faggots with god complex

>
This is correct

You're missing the point. Which is that somebody blowing a dog whistle they can't even themselves hear doesn't make you a fucking dog like you were bitten by a vampire. It's a retarded term that means nothing meant to be used to universally dismiss anything you don't like.

110% agree, transferring ownership of the means of production from capitalists to an authoritarian government just changes the name of the ruling class.

Just use your head and think about it for one second instead of trusting what you read on the internet.

Ok, I didn't actually read your discussion.

MLs and Maoists, yes. Fuck them, they don't know how to create a society without fucking dictatorship.

Do they even exist still? Last I saw they were getting their asses handed to them everywhere they showed up.

This guy understands.

Bingo

expect

ANTIFA ARE ACTUAL FASCISTS FIGHTING PERCEIVED FASCISM

ANY ONE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM POLITICALLY IN ANY WAY IN LABELED A NAZI AND ASSAULTED

Antifascists use fascistic methods to achieve antifascism.
When your best tactic for victory is essentially "shut up or I'll punch you" then you might want to rethink who the fascist is.

You are confusing fiscal and social conservatism. Fiscal is right wing. Social is just stupid. Any social engineering, involving government growing, is left wing to me even if it has "conservatism" in the title.

why did you include me in the "shit 20 year old edgy fascists say on the internet" bingo fuck off

Kek’d hard & checked

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you forgot the /s there, bucko.

C'mon guys we're doing good things...

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Fucking this.
Only words can defeat words.

Leftism involves dismantling private power structure in favour of public power structure highlighted by big government pushing expensive social programs.

Did you even read the rest of the posts that were quoted?

ITT:

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Nobody wants equality because equality means calling everyone on their bullshit equally. Which means Sarah Jeong & Roseanne's career fates are exactly the same.

Nah dude Ive met some actual antifas since they are prominent in my city. They literally planned to pour boiling water on cops. That was really retarded. Fuck those people.

Well said, user.

>EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS A NAZI AND YOU'RE A NAZI IF YOU DISAGREE

What are you talking about?
I study fascism and communism by the primary sources: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini.
And I don't trust anything I read, I always test everything I hear with logic.

I know what I'm talking about: fascism is the exact opposite of communism, it was born as an extreme bourgeois reaction to socialistic revolution in Russia.

It seemed semi-functional, didn't really get any time to shake out because the Communist faction shot the hell out of it before the Fascists got a chance to finish it off...

yup

It pushes an unsustainable utopia created by a degenerate Jew to destroy White culture and allow the Jews to rule the world. Equality is a lie. It is the striving for the lowest common denominator and it's pursuit will destroy every great nation, culture, race and individual. You can't have civilization without some kind of government body. That is why Das Capital and communist/socialist agenda in general are wrong and can't work. The Jews knew this and intend to step in and assume control out of the resulting chaos.

No but he's a fucking Statist who doesnt care to listen so he can fuck off

Expansive social welfare systems are a function of Social Democrats, and only exist in societies that remain capitalist with minor leftist trappings and decorations.

Leftism is supposed to be highlighted by worker ownership of the means of production. There are just people on the left who think that worker=the state and those people are Marxist Leninists, Maoists and Stalinists, who are fucking idiots.

Maybe some of you are but there are also some really fucked up people, on both sides of course. Why not just be a normal fucking human being without joining an extremist group?

>i should be allowed to openly advocate for x group being genocided.
>WTF MY FREE SPEECH YOU ARE THE REAL NAZI

actually kill yourself you straw manning piece of shit.

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So much this. All they can do is say "nuh uh it wasn't racism cause something something white people bad".

FTFY

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>straw manning
>putting words in my mouth to say my point doesn't matter
Oh the fucking IRONY

tankies get out

Tell that the Islam fundamentalist groups like ISIS don't think they would listen to you tho
The only answer is to bomb the hell out of them

I hit one with a piece of metal fence post right in the teeth last summer. It like smashed most of his front teeth out, then i ran off. I was actually just cutting through the crowd and he pushed me

ANTIFA ARE THE WEAK MEN

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THIIIISSSS

You haven't answered a single question of mine, which is expected.
You haven't even noticed a single mistake in my question, which I inserted to test your lying ass.

You haven't read Das Capital as you claimed, you lying faggot.
You haven't studied communism.
You just got someones shit straight to your empty head.
You are the exact definition of a tool.

Now flee like a bitch you are.

This is correct. Its about the size of government and how much government taxes the people and meddles in thier affairs. How people ever want big government I dont understand. It's the laziest outsourcing of responsibility for thier own lives, and as with anyone who doesn't work hard they just end up poor and confused. Sad, really.

People forget that one of the three arrows was for the Stalinists.

We just don't understand islamic culture, I mean it sucks that they're throwing gays off of rooftops & beheading people, but it's not like they're as bad as the white people & their evil words.

Bunch of weaklings who think they're tough but when they actually face the fash they're scares as shit

Because it doesn't asshole going and killing your political opponents doesn't solve your problems and is basically the same thing as censoring their side

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You can have no true civil society without strong a strong government. Fiscal conservatism without the social is just not achievable.

Funny how the idealists always seem to wind up dead while the bully boys prosper, leftists have a Problem...

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>i should be allowed to openly advocate for x group being genocided
>just not that x group
If you can do it for one ethnic group you should be able to do it for all, if you can't do it for one them all should be banned. Your countor argument hold nothing as calling for genocide is already a chargeable crime. BLM should be arrested if all things being fair

You're arguing with me as though I said anything beyond "anyone I disagree with is a nazi & you're a nazi if you disagree".
This is both you all's fucking main problem and why my statement is true; ANYTHING anyone says gets all of the things you THINK it means cause dogwhistling added to the statement to make everyone a fucking nazi you delusional faggots.

i mean id argue fighting nazis is more important than fighting tankies, we can do that after.

It's all good, we all jump in conversations with half the information

I mean they were the first leftists to end up in charge of some massive military powers, and then they poisoned the idea of leftism in the public conciousness by associating it with their mad authoritarianism and proceeded to shit on any other leftists who didn't want to be evil.

Since anyone who isn't on the barricade with you is a Literal Nazi you're going to need a lot of molotov cocktails...

High taxes on people creating value to fund social programs is in essence worker ownership of the means of production. Decision making is compromised and creating value is discouraged. Why do you think so many people hide income? Though I agree it isnt pure leftist the way some more severe communisms are it is ever leaning left ala Cuba.

I am somewhat conflicted. On one hand, i respect their effort to fight nazis. On the other hand, i really dislike the commie bullshit they carry and i have difficulty differentiating between these two faces of the movement.

newsweek.com/antifa-violence-portland-bernie-sanders-video-1082072
>VIDEO: PORTLAND ANTIFA BEATS BERNIE SANDERS VOTER FOR CARRYING AN AMERICAN FLAG

You faggots call everyone who isn't a radical communist "Nazi." If everyone looks like a Nazi to you, and you physically attack them in the streets, NEWS FLASH: YOU ARE THE FASCISTS!

I don't have a problem with normal Muslims my problem is with Sharia law and The radical extremist sects practice religious fundamentalism
Its the same reason I hate the westboro Baptist church with a burning passion
Also Sharia law is the most Mysoginist vile homophobic domestic policies I've seen in quite a while and I don't get why the feminist won't target middle eastern governments who choose to have these policies smh.

I would say it isn't in essence the same, because the expanded social welfare system just removes even more autonomy from the working class. They can neither control their own working conditions or executive decisions and they aren't actually motivated by having a share of the excess created by their labor, and they have to rely on a federal government body to subsidize their wage which fosters dependence on the state.

They don't receive the fruits of their labor as a result of that labor they receive it as an "offering" from their benevolent overlords.

>ITT: a bunch of homos who think they sound any different to average normies than actual nazis who blame everything on jews

Can you provide video of that ONE man saying those exact words or are you just recreating facts to suit your agenda

Bro, normal muslims only have a problem with sharia law when they look bad if they don't.
Sharia is literally just an enforcement by pain of physical punishment of the quran.

Some basic social programs are of course required for basic needs. Its the creep of human rights and support of cultural and emotional programs that is the worst. It empowers legal action and hamstrings decision making. Federal social support should be focused on food, housing and employment support. Support of culture (e.g. funding for native groups or religions), funding for the arts and tourism, and especially funding of political parties should be minimized. Similarly with industrial meddling like stimulus to sustain dying industries. Let the people do what they want once they are fed and sheltered.

>normal Muslims my problem is with Sharia law
You know that one of the tenets of Islam is to enforce Sharia law, right?

So, if you oppose Sharia, then your problem really is with normal Muslims. Islam is a shit religion that has no place in Western democracies.

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but that's bullshit. I work with Muslims who don't give a shit about that. The women wear pants, which would get them stoned to death under sharia.

Nestor Makhno lasted a couple of years too.
The problem is human nature, if Statists from outside don't crush your dewy-new Anarcho-Syndicalist Collective then you're eventually going to grow your own.
As witness I'll call damn near every HMO in suburbia and a large number of farmers cooperatives out in the real world...

And vociferously deny any cognitive dissonance...

If they aren't going to follow the religion, why call themselves Muslims?

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It advocates the abolishment of structured government "eventually". It also advocates the lie of equality. The primary flaw in it is that it does not account for human nature. People are not egalitarian by nature, only when pressured into it by either government and/or religion.
Yes I read it because it was required when I was in school. I can't quote it because I don't refer back to it. I summarized the main points and refuted them as a means to refute your argument. If you read it and agree with it, then you are either a young idealist or mentally retarded.

anecdotal evidence

They're a bunch of mostly useless LARPing lifestylists but at least they make their alt-right counterparts reluctant to speak in public.

Somebody who actually understands the difference between religious fundamentalism and normal organized religion
Sharia is literally the patriarchy the feminist are looking for that they hate and despise so much

user u know the reason already. they dont care about islam until its the dominant ideology then they fall in line like it was never a question

>WTF, this guy is a right wing so he is a nazi. Cmon let's beat him up guys

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every religions has different interpretations. how many fucking Christian offshoots are there these days? Do you expect Mormons to observe all Catholic teachings?

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But workers in control acting for themselves, recieving the fruits of thier labour now, versus a company striving to increase its market share and increase the dividend for employees and investors on thier behalf, is folly. A company acts in its best interest which is to grow, which in general benefits its employees. People act for themselves and the majority does not always act in thier own best interest, being easily distracted by emotional issues and being unpredictable, which discourages investment. Large groups of people act slowly as all large bureaucracies do. Labour controlling the means of production would only lose that competitive advantage.

Regardless, respect to your opinion and the answer as always is essentially what we have, a mix of both systems with some control.

Or the Jews or the methodists the baptists and the jahovas witnesses

i don't get it

but evidence nonetheless. I work with a Tunisian muslim guy who smokes, drinks, and goes to strip clubs. He's a Muslim for the holidays basically. His wife doesn't even wear the headscarf except on those holidays.

logicalfallacies.org/appeal-to-nature.html
1) we know very little about human nature
2) for the vast majority of human existence human nature meant forming strongly egalitarian groups of 20 or so hunter gatherers. If anything restricting access to resources or having relationships longer than 3 years is against human nature.

and from that 1/4 only a 1/4 isn't schizos

honk honk

He's saying he took the red pill cuz to him you are all sucking black dick because feminism, am I right strawman femoids?

>how many fucking Christian offshoots are there these days
nonexistent when compared to muslims. Provide evidence that shootings committed by white people where committed in the name of christianity or for christian reasons

>trying this hard to redirect the conversation
try harder kiddo

Uhh New Zealand?

it's not evidence because my own experiences with them counters your claims. that's why we call it anecdotal evidence and it means nothing to the truth

>nonexistent
wew lad: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

so provide evidence that all muslims are sharia practicing extremists.

uhh no?

Imagine something worst
>You can't

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Go read the quran, they're messed up people. Well their religion is, some choose to loosely follow it

you made a claim and i asked for you to provide evidence by your own claims
again show he did it for christian reasons alone not anti muslim

>normal muslims
the vast majority of christians managed to renounce the inhumane parts of the bible
but the vast majority of muslims still believe they live in the 13th century. thats all probably because islam is more of a political ideology from its core.

>why the feminist won't target the middle eastern
now thats something we agree on. those shits rather take on straw men where they live comfortably

The great mother welcomes and nurtures but also disrupts order to induce novelty and that's exactly what's happening now but not in the good kind of way.

holy shit guys. Go to the doctor asap you are propably retarded

Yeah the Christchurch mosque shooter was a Christian white supremacist who murdered a fuck ton of Muslims in there

You aren't even close to answering a single question of mine.
You just demonstrate that you haven't read a single paragraph of Capital.

>What is Das Capital all about?
I've put this question on the first line because it is the easiest to
answer - you need just look in the table of contents of Capital.

And you didn't find a single error in my questions, yet.

If you had read the Capital, you would have easily answered my questions, no matter how much time have passed since.
Because this questions are extremely easy to answer.

You are a liar.

this

also in the Quran says that you can lie being a muslim or lie that you dont follow the quran in order to infiltrate the society you stand

and yet he did it for political reasons and anti muslim not in the name of his religion

again wrong. You obviously did not read his manifesto. He wasnt even sure if he was christian.

The problem arises from multicultural society. The government should only support and defend the culture of the founding group. The pushing of egalitarian programs causes conflict and strain. Also needed is teaching the cultural social values to the next generation. If you don't work, you have no right to any benefits of the society.

It's a pattern, all the way back to Robespierre, the idealists fighting to do good wind up in the mass graves and the Opportunists of various stripes wind up in charge...

>how many fucking Christian offshoots are there these days
>how many shootings
>list of denominations as rebuttal
You're retarded

honk honk you know it fren!
true diversity is beautiful

Both are very true, which is why we need a strong government, to bind the people together and enforce a common set of rules (laws).

But that road leads to slavery and genocide user
I for one believe in universal human rights and egalitarianism and I'm against any extremists who threaten my rights as an individual or anyone's for that matter
Voltaire once said that while did not agree with your opinions he would fight to the death for your right to speak it and I would do the same for you user god bless

but user, I'm not taking your fucktarded bait on shootings. you're trying to deflect with that, I'm not biting.

my take away from this is very diffrent but sure, wanting a strong government is an opinion one can have without being retarded. If you go around using it to enforce arbitrary social hierarchies which happen to place you on top, that is true faggotry

State comes in and kicks farmers out. State comes in and kills whites. Give land to blacks though the state. The blacks are too dumb and shit in the water wells and destroy the equipment. Yes libertarians apparently want the state to control who gets what.

what are you talking about then?

you've moved and changed the goal post you dishonest faggot

Was not my claim all it was your claim based on experience sum(5-10) account for all

No I believed you moved the goalposts as we all have
This bread was about antifa, not Muslims

How much more of an answer do you want?
>What is Das Capital all about?
> It advocates for the eventual abolishment of government to be replaced by collectives of equals. Therefore it advocates the the lie of equality.
If you read it with a comparison to the Zionist agenda, you find that it is a part of the Jewish campaign to create chaos so they can step into the void created.

yes, sure

Jews

I never brought up shootings, you did. And I refuse to take the obvious bait.

>being this delusional
>still blaming everything on the jewish boogeyman
>implying antifa is anything but a bunch of angry shitheads looking for an excuse to break shit

That's why we need some idealists willing to chop heads for them ideals.

I gave specifics. Your turn. Regale me with your experiences that prove all muslims are sharia-practicing extremists. Go ahead, I got time.

do you ever stop yourself and wonder what happened to the happy little boy when you type brainwashed cancer like:
> read it with a comparison to the Zionist agenda

No "we all" have not. The conversation was on point, the moment someone said "why call themselves muslim if they're not going to follow it's teachings" you deflected to "interpretations" and "mass christian shooting in the modern age" you're a dishonest faggot

It only leads to slavery in a multicultural society. If you have exclusive territories then it will not lead to slavery. It is not my responsibility to ensure the survival of any people but my own. This includes ensuring their rights. They are responsible for their own rights and survival within their own culture and people.

YOUR DRUNK GO HOME

false flag, that's actually a well-known alt-right cuck

They aren't arbitrary if they are based on a singular racial/cultural standard. That is why a multicultural society can't work.

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I would say that the current system we have massively exploits a huge number of people just look at the Amazon Warehouses or ask anybody who works at Walmart. The goal of capitalism as it exists is to maximize profits for shareholders and investors. Those shareholders and investors are never really the impoverished workers that keep these companies alive. The only ways to maximize profits is to cut costs and increase sales, but in massive corporations like Google, Amazon, Walmart, and McDonalds can operate at a scale large enough to make their prices impossible to compete with for smaller businesses and companies, which means sales are maxed out. So they cut costs, which means reduced pay, wage theft, corner cutting in safety etc. None of which can be reasonably objected to by their employees because these same mega corps employing the majority of American workers have crushed any semblance of collective bargaining among the working class with the help of Calvin Coolidge, Ronald Reagan, and the GOP at large.

So Your saying your supposed to be one of those Garvin Harvey separatist "back to Africa" types, am i correct ?

They are anti fascist but yet fascist.

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>my responsibility to ensure the survival of any people but my own
and how many white babies have you sired?

you don't know the meaning of the word then.

by whom is that standard set and by what is it informed. Who gets to decide the standard? Who gets to change it? How do you solve that a cultural standard presupposes objectivity.

Capital is all about theory of Capitalism. (amazing, yes?)
Marx said a lot of times about inequality of people, btw.

Yet you believe in "Zionist agenda".
All this modern "Zionist agenda" was developed by german Nazis.
Nazism is yet another form of fascism.
Fascism was born as a bourgeois reaction against communism.
All this modern "Zionist agenda" was invented to shit in the heads of idiots like you, to fool and turn them against communism.

How fucking retarded you are?

You haven't answer a single question of mine.
You are a lying retarded piece of shit.
Get the fuck out of here, faggot

Misled stooges for the Neoliberal capitalist ZOG machine

They're not very threatening (they're all weak loser potheads without serious jobs or futures), but they're a bit of a nuisance

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The ancient Hawaiians say, Hene Hene Hoku Holu Kuweli-Ounu-nui

Which means “Only gay niggas join antifa.”

But seriously, as a Proud Boy I used to hate them, now I just feel bad for them. They all seem seriously mentally crippled, weak and diminutive and many are intersex and unnatractive. They are the personification of weakness. I don’t even want to fight them anymore, I just want them to get help.

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lol "Proud Boy", sounds pretty fucking faggy to me

If you want to know who controls any movement follow the money and consider who it benefits.
Antifa is just a bunch of brainwashed idiots being used.

Doing gods work. Threadly reminder to the nazi larpers ITT that we would have hanged your treasonous asses in the 1940s. Fuck off from the good ol USA fritz.

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survival can also encompass protection

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lol you ain't protecting shit you fucking incel pansy

You can hang Nazis without being a commie loser.

Keep telling yourself that.

a neanderthal response to a correction not even surprised

one SHOULD hang Nazis user

we didn't have any problem doing it to mussolini

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If you don't recognize the enemy, then I can't help you. Just remember if you keep your head buried in the sand, you are already in position to get fucked.

Classic internet tough talk

Real life hits you pretty hard when you aren't just sucker punching Richard Spencer

wweek.com/news/courts/2018/07/04/maga-mayhem-fractures-a-mans-skull-as-right-wing-marchers-test-the-limits-of-free-speech-in-portland/

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but an entirely correct response. You are not doing jack for your race other than shitposting impotently on a dying imageboard.

Sure, so long as they have committed a crime. You can’t just hang someone based on their ideology. That makes you no better than a Nazi.

It's a good thing the rest of the world not the USSR, the enlightened world was exterminating you since your inception

Nazis hung people because of their ethnicity and religion you fucking retard. Tell me, are you brave enough to be a nazi IRL or just on teh 4chinz?

I guess that’s the point, we don’t take ourselves as seriously as the “antifa” larpers. We mainly just drink and do fun things.

>meanwhile in reality

also don't forget to get fired when you stupidly out yourself in real life you dumb cunt

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I am a White Nationalist, but I do support them because it aligns with my aims of a true White nation as well.

>antifa are ideological heirs of communism
>communists has literaly killed in genocide/gulags/work camps and ethnic cleansings based on class like 10 times more innocent people than nazis
>they want to implement communism and socialism
>"it hasnt been tried properly yet! its going to turn out good this time guys i promise!"

just because they self righteously claim they fight against something bad doesnt mean they are good. Im not saying nazis are good, im just saying they are equaly bad as nazis or even worse since they brand any opposition or dissent as nazism as a way to rationalise and excuse the violence they use as a political tool. They hold "you are with us or against us mentality" and will throw anyone they deem against them under the bus.

What is so wrong with me being white and wanting to get a girlfriend in Japan?
Hell, I don't get why there's so much hate for black japanese either

Two and raised several more as stepdad and godfather.

It’s not a question of bravery, I am not stupid enough to be a nazi, or a communist. Im just your average American Patriot. People who believe in Voodoo also committed atrocities, recently a girl in Brasil cut off her little brothers dick and ate it. That doesn’t mean that I want to preemptively kill people who believe in Voodoo. Nazis who commit actual crimes will face justice, those who don’t need not fear persicution. We shouldn’t be in the business of thought policing.

Instead of fighting against Capitalist systems of power, these retards spend all their time obsessing over an ideology that is a fringe threat to Neoliberal Capitalism

Dumb faggots need to take the NazBol pill

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>Nazis hung people because of their ethnicity and religion
False
>are you brave enough to be a nazi IRL or just on teh 4chinz?
I do, no one cares

oh i know the enemy you brainwashed scared cuck. All you can do is kick down fight imaginary powers because you are too scared to stand up to the man. You don't even own your own fucking car and your country is being drained by the man in power before your very eyes. Fuck off bootlicking cuck, find some hierarchy to worship

the thing is almost nobody is unironicaly a nazi but there is alot of unironical antifa facists. The thugs just found a way how to be bullied and claim they are the righteous ones.

The standard is set by the commonality of a monoculture society. With a single people you get a common basis of belief.

Didn't Malcolm X want america to be the new Africa and have white people go back to Europe?

>fifth avenue antifa

those are people pretending to be antifa. the picture is from street art snopes.com/fact-check/duct-tape-antifa/

Sorry wrong post