Hi

SJW all the things. It's bullshit but its the left bullying everyone to be politically correct. Remember the outrage over what COD you went through the airport and shot civilians?

The looks like my bedroom in 1998.

Remember games like postal 2, saints row and red light district tycoon, shitting on SJWs and being extremly racist

Good times

I feel like there is a loop like this...

>Popular gaming communities write some nonsense just because it's popular
>majority of gaming community believes this shit and it becomes popular
>repeat from beginning

And the hardcore/pc community has no voice.

>Lootboxes suck
>Pay2win sucks
>Casual games suck
>Mobile games suck
>Console games suck
>Battle royale games suck
>Remakes suck

We need more:

>More sandbox games
>More features
>More content
>More modding support
>More character customization
>More RPG
>More Isometric aRPG (like Diablo 2)
>More PC optimized games
>More single player games
>More creative game design
>More AAA developers not pandering to casual gamers

Game Designer here

This is just the normal signs of Games becoming the dominant media. In time there will be better games journalism and it will probably be running on tv (aside from the internet obviously).

The main reason why all the triple A titles are like what you describe is just that big game dev studios want to make as much money as possible. That is easiest achieved by appealing to the masses a.k.a. doing mainstream games that dont create a lot of controversy. A bit controverse is good bc PR and shit but not too much so you can still make money.

Better times will come. Good games are out there. People will start talking about those more some day.

well maybe our definition of hardcore gamer is different. people that buy into hype in general, whether it's CP2077 or star citizen, for me at least, are still normies, maybe a not as insanely retarded type of normies as whales. the reason is that, for example, for star citizen, people have spent huge amounts of money on a promise of a game that, let's be honest, has basically been a scam. anybody that preorders or donates in crowdfunding shows that he lacks the farsightedness that, unfortunately, you can't trust someone with your money now and hope they will deliver later. devs have noticed people have been having this behaviour, and that's why even way before lootboxes and mtx we've seen season passes, preordering, skin packs, etc, all symptoms of the same disease.

you mentioned an interesting point: CDPR has a lot of respect. they do, but then again people have been hugely forgiving of their faults. remember how they kept delaying witchers development and even shipped the game with features missing, just to later release a "advanced" version or something like that? exactly the same forgiving attitude people had with bethesda, and we know very well how terrible they've become now.

i still think there will be some indie developers who are willing to earn a little less but ship out finished, quality tested games, and they will create a very loyal consumer base, just like in the old days

I worked as game designer for 1.5 years on mobile game with 2 million downloads in a big company, this doesn't make anyones opinion about these things more credible, that's why I didn't even mention it :)

Everyone knows why it's gone to shit, just like you said - because AAA devs while chasing faux profit forgot how to innovate and are milking.

Yeah there is still some "good" stuff out there not only with games but with community also, but it's sooooooo far from mainstream that I just want to cry.

I don't agree tho that you are this confident that "better days will come" and "better game journalism" everything seems to point in the exact opposite direction. Why do you think it will get better?

I feel we need more games where we can create our own stuff and sell it to other players for ingame money, like Forza Horizons 4 Auctions house.

Star Citizen may be a complete scam, I don't know. And I am not a fanboy of it or anything. I just used it as an example of this happening:

>company promises hardcore space sim PC only
>people give them shitload of money

Whether it's a scam or not is besides the point.

"People that buy into hype are not hardcore gamers"

Why? :) Let's take drastic example. Speedrunner who is running 10 hours a day or pro gamer that is practising 10 hours a day - you think they are immune to hype? Ofc not.

Sometimes hype pans out, sometimes it dissapoints, but nothing innately wrong with it :)

pretty much this.

big companies just can't stop chasing after the easy money from mtx, man, it's a hell of a drug

When did it become 100% just about the profit though...

And then why companies like EA are failing?

These mtx and shit like this can't be the end-all in gaming industry. I just refuse to accept it :)

Because on the journalistic side i see actual improvement - also i dont think that there is no more good games coming out at all. The bad ones bust get more attention. See red dead redemption 2, witcher 3, ori and the blind forest 2, anno 1800 not to mention all the smaller titles.
I agree with
That there will be a split tho. Its been the same in film industry (as far as im concerned not the pro here tbh) and itll be the same in gaming.

There will be new companies rising in popularity but obviously they cant reach rop players like ea in overall market presence.

If you dont produce for the masses quality for "hardcore gamers" rises, but sales fall, therefore obviously lowering presence.

IMO games are becoming shit by the day ,and it's sad ,i've been playing vg since i was a kid, but games lost their charm ,

from what i've seen :
1-every fucking game nowadays is a open-world, while you can make a normal game ,and ppl will love it

2-when there's no project to make ,they start making shitty remakes for the sake of money like Onimusha Warlords

3-the gaming industry is like YouTube these days ,you say the n word and ppl will call you a racist or smth ,that's why no company wants to make a game talking abt smth that it happens IRL ,you know what i mean

4-story line ain't interesting no more ,it's all abt zombies like resident evil ,shitty shooting games like COD ,stealth BS like AC ,and the new fashion : the hentai-looking girls with swords like Nier: Automata and upcoming Project Eve obv

i know alot of ppl won't agree with me ,but not only the gaming industry that it's fucked up

actually, EA is not failing, much the opposite, the problem is that they made HUGE profit promises (example: we promise we will increase profits by 10 times), and then when they delivered only 5 times the profits, investors were disappointed, stocks plummet, people get fired. basically it's just huge mismanagement of the company.

Have u seen their sales bro? They be swimmin in money.

What means "failing" in ur opinion?

very good insights and I agree on a lot of this :)

But when did it shift like this?

I remember when Diablo 2, Half Life 2, Fallout 2, Warcraft 3, Starcraft etc. used to be really popular - the mainstream. What happened? Did the devs/publishers just come up with more efficient way to make profit and that more efficient way includes more casual type games?

I don't understand what the "gaming community" even is, those e-sports fags who make a living off tournements? Retarded game "reviewers" writing about shit they played five minutes of and gave a 5/5? Youtube people who talk about new upcoming games in breathless excitement? Those embarrassingly shit trade shows where companies show off the newest product? Online games?
What the fuck IS the "gaming community"? My only 'community' of gamers are a handful of friends who like to drink and play Mario Party 2 on the weekends sometimes.

>Anthem sucked
>ME: Andromeda sucked

I'm not a financial expert, but from my humble perspective looks pretty failed :)

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not to mention Deus Ex ,damn that game was the shit

Well ok let's look at it like this:

Gaming community is everyone who plays any kind of video games from pokemon go to Starcraft 2 pro gamer.

Now there are different subsections of communities that can overlap, few examples:

casual gamers / hardcore gamers
console gamers / pc gamers
fps gamers / rpg gamers / mmo gamers / etc
modding community

" Retarded game "reviewers" writing about shit they played five minutes of and gave a 5/5?"

YES EXACTLY THAT'S WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!! I am considering maybe to start blogging / youtubing and not doing this stupid shit that's how much I am sick of it. That's why I started this topic to see what other people think about this / is there anyone like-minded :))

I cant really put a date on it but im guessing some time around cod black ops/mw3. Basically around the time all the nerds from the 90s grew up and had then enough money to spend on triple A games.
But yeah its pretty much that someone figured that u can make a shit load of money making games and went full abuse mode.

Also another thing: proper smartphones and mobile internet played a huge role too. Shit like clash of clans and candycrush make shit ton of money AND appeal to "normies" that helped many people get into casual gaming.

The fact that nowadays there is No need for Single Player Campaigns and everyone focuses on multyplayer as it sells more goes with the rise of better internet access and speeds.
It takes time, talent and experience to make a good Single Player Campaign and only few games have it and even fewer have a good one.
So everyone recycles the old stories and just sells the same game from last years with different skins.

imo it started in the mobile market. people have been making huge profits for minimal effort for a long time now, but due to companies traditional inertia and not wanting to take too big risks, they waited until the microtransaction deal was really a game changer, and that's where we are now

Deus Ex HR was good for me not gonna lie, BUT OH MAN THE MOUSE DECELERATION OR WHATEVER IT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO AIM, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THERE IS NO FIX ON THE ENTIRETY OF FUCKING INTERNET TO FIX THAT SHITTY MOUSE CONTROL - WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED THERE AND WHY IS NOBODY COMPLAINING?

Do it

this is what happens when Square Enix makes Deus Ex

yeah, but their plummeting stocks were because they overpromised, and then investors were disappointed. your own chart shows how stocks were rising too fast, showing how it was unsustainable

profit margins are still on 20%

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Andromeda wasn't nearly as bad as people say

Square Enix is so fucking huge I just can't point my finger at it and say "SE this or that" they have like 100 studios and 10000000 developers..

Their games are different from each other beyond comparison :)

I don't like modern FPS, I don't like all the crates and stupid bullshit. I want a single player or co-op campaign game that also has a multiplayer component. I want a text chat where I can call other players niggers.
If it's a console game, I want split screen multiplayer.
It's like they've forced some sort of sanitized social media aspect into multiplayer gaming.

major league gaming is definitely NOT the traditional gaming community, it is just pure cancer artificially injected in the market to hype the fools. i never even watched a single MLG event, all i know about them is that there was a black gay furry who once won, which is basically 0.001% of gamers in general

I agree on this too however weird it is :)

There is this stupid trend, in video game journalism it's particularly strong.

Things that aren't completely 100% accurate become REALLY popular topics of conversation and then that inaccurate information just becomes the common consensus, everyone agrees about it..

Examples:

>Andromeda was big fail

>NMS was a lie

>if Sekiro is too hard for you, you need to kill yourself

>BOTW is sooo amazing, best game in the world

>Dark Souls is hardest game in the world

there is a grain of truth to all of them, but generalizing it so completely is really not accurate at all - almost a total lie.

>They are just trying to go with the popular opinion a lot of the time.
because they get paid to do that.

Yes I agree on this 100%.

I want more GAME features

more content
>more customization
>more loot
>control over settings

not GAMER/GAMING features

>sharing streaming options
>exclusive deals
>discounts etc

I did and then I played whole bunch of atelier games on my ps3, so now I just consider everyone a faggot
Maybe because I have an agenda that doesn't involve an occupation

yes, but are gamers content with it? Or do we need something more?

Sorry mate, this is a reply to what post? I don't understand what are you talking about.

god fucking damn it

I must be of the casual persuasion then, I've never given a single fuck about anyone else's opinions on games outside of my immediate circle of people. I'm more of a /vr/ guy anyway so that might explain my isolated viewpoint when it comes to gaming, the only community interaction I remember from childhood was getting a strategy guide or looking up a walkthrough on AOL. Go ahead and blog user, can't hurt.
That's the impression I've always gotten. I've seen a couple videos by that Crowbcat guy cutting together embarrassing shit from game shows/conventions and it just looks like the most out of touch shit ever. One had a guy in a schick razor costume prancing around because they were a sponsor, get the fuck out of here with that, Jesus.

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I think MLG is just a smaaaalll part of pro gaming. I never watched or researched anything about MLG, but I am avid watcher of Starcraft 2 pro play and it's awesome. Everyone involved is really honestly passionate about the game itself. Nobody cares about any promotion or political agenda at all. Nobody. Nothing is marketed in a bad / tricky / political kind of way. Sometimes even ironically they shoutout sponsors "our sponsor mountain dew is so amazing, you must all brush your teeth with it every morning" :D

So not all pro gaming is cancerous. But I understand where you are coming from.

i wish violent videogames were more realistic. they arent realistic enough for me.

I can relate very much. I have been 90% closet gamer just like you for 15+ years. Never interested in anything besides rarely some strategy guides.

But somehow I started to feel that a lot of new games are becoming something I don't really like and the developers are are wasting opportunities. Even without being this hardcore @gAm3R boY~ who watches pewdiepie streams etc or whatever I can tell, that this change in what kind of games are coming out is because of the community "perception" of what is popular.

And also you know where I have the most "contact" with gaming outside of playing games? Looking for new games to play :) And this dissapoints me more and more.

Sorry if I sound confusing, I hope I got across :)

They will never make Manhunt for VR, the age of the murdersim has sadly passed.

nothing beats toiling away at retail all day, then coming home and playing skyrim for 7 hours. videogames are so cool.

Yes!!

My list here I forgot to add:

>More sex
>More violence
>More controversy

:)

It may sound edgy or whatever, but which of us did not enjoy slaughtering monsters in DOOM 2016 or romancing NPCs in Mass Effect 2?

Yes. But Skyrim is getting old. And this is coming from someone who has spend 100+ hours just modding and researching, not even playing.

And what scares me, why I started this thread - there may not be another "Skyrim". (not even talking about that Skyrim already was pretty shallow with the RPG and the mechanics aspects and mods barely fix it).

Because nobody cares anymore. Everyone is playing with Switch or Apex Legends or the latest aRPG whatever it may be.

Well yeah, but imagine this, what if..

The hardcore PC gaming community was more popular?

>mod support
>more realistic non-console-port graphics on PC games

surely these things would come to be. Surely someone would mod it in :)

But name me what currently announced titles would maybe even have the possibility of this happening?

Maybe Cyberpunk 2077, don't know any others.

holy shit this pic

dem feels

No user, I hear you, particularly in regards to newer games. Since the PS2 was still current, I've been keeping myself at least a few years behind the curve specifically to avoid hype-traps over the hot new game this month. My newest console is still a 360, and I'm playing shit like Crackdown, Assassin's Creed, Ace Combat 6, and even shit like Skyrim and Fallout3 for pretty much the first time having got these games for dirt cheap. It beats spending $60 for a game you'll play through once, just to say you had it when it was new and popular.
Because I leave myself behind the curve, it's pretty easy to avoid the hype/marketing/buzz in whatever passes for the gaming community, and I can just pick a game up a few years later after it's stood the test of time as a good title.
I put about half an hour into it then set it back on my shelf. I'll get around to it eventually, probably. Played a little more of Fallout3 but really not used to this sort of thing. My shit is Ace Combat 4, Rome Total War, KSP, Sonic 2, etc. My younger friends are all doing the fortnite thing though, and that looks insanely boring.

I want to feel like this now :) I want to have a community of gamers where we can feel like this together. Because if I'm feeling like this alone it feels fake.

i bet they don't even hate minorities any more

I remember feeling the way that pic made me feel. It's been a long time.
I miss it.

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This is what a "gaming community" is imho

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Let me give you some advice:

If it is possible for you, buy a PC. You don't need a newest beast. You can find really great PC used for 500$ EASY and it will run all modern titles if not ULTRA MAXED OUT at least high (trust me you will not see the diffrence. Used decent 1080p monitor is maybe another 100$.

Look into modding Skyrim and Fallout 3, but more so NV and 4. It will open another world to you. You will thank me in a year :)

Also, if you can't afford a game - torrent it. YOU CAN GET 100% OF ALL NON ONLINE GAMES LATEST VERSION 100% WORKING ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFRENCE FROM ORIGINAL very very easy.

If you are in USA I think you need VPN for this (because it is illegal) - research it if that's the case.

Don't be a dick. If you love a game / developer and you have money to spare, buy the game, even if you can torrent it. But there is no shame whatsoever to torrent it if you cannot afford it.

Fortnite is insanely boring, unless you are a very casual gamer or a very shallow person.

A few times in my life when I felt "few years behind the curve" it made me feel like I am missing out. But now when I am always within the curve I see, that I wasn't missing out. The curve is going in a shitty direction mostly. So don't feel bad being behind the curve.

3/3

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Yeah well, what if none of my IRL friends are gamers and I'm not 16 years old where I can just coerce my classmates to game with me?

I don't want to be fucked :)

thread dying? :/

Anyone wants to maybe make a Discord server or meh?

>Yeah well, what if none of my IRL friends are gamers
I guess meet new people?
>modding PC games
Ehh more work than it's worth, I'm not overly impressed with either of those games as it is, and don't want to go through the bother of getting them to run on PC with mods and shit. I only really use the PC for strategy games and sims, poorfag so my computer is a collection of mismatched parts and isn't the best to play graphically intense stuff anyway. I tried installing War for Cybertron the other day and got some missing .dll error. Tried searching around for an answer and realized "fuck it, I'll get it for the 360 next time I'm at a used game place" before promptly deleting it.
I don't want to work hard to play.
As for being behind the curve, not only do I not feel bad, I think it's smart. New game comes out, gets hyped, everyone pays top-dollar for it. A few years go by, and people have either moved on and forgotten it, or it's recognized as a great game that holds up years later, then I pick a copy up for $10 and get to experience it the first time.
Discord is gay

>stock went from $120 to $100
OH GOD ITS OVER

It's more about the moral of it then the stock or sales of anything..

Why nobody is discussing if CDPR is dead? Why nobody is discussing if CAPCOM is dead?

Just Blizzard and EA. Because they started to release / announce shit titles that NOT EVEN their brainwashed casual US playerbase likes. No more golden days of vanilla/BC WoW or ME2, DA Origins, older NFS games etc.

Now it's either 0 innovation rehash (Sims N, Battlefield N, NFS N, Starcraft Remastered, upcoming WC3 remaster or shitty casual platform switch (Diablo Immortal).

It's not just childhood nostalgia speaking. Something is missing more and more.

To add to this, I can name some semi-recently released titles that are insanely good:

Kenshi
Rimworld
Nier Automata
Subnautica

just to name a few. But most of games like these aren't AAA and can't have the same production quality, which is sad..