Hello, Yea Forums. It's the Jungian mystic again, here to assist you with the Deep Mysteries. If you don't know what the Deep Mysteries are or think this has something to do with the supernatural, just assume I'm a middle school LARPer and move on.
Fellow travellers on the path are reminded that I post here because the churn of the sleepers provides cover for discussing the sacred truths in the open; just ignore any shit-posting.
To answer the question I get most often so I needn't repeat myself, the first step on recognizing that you've been asleep is to manifest your Anima. She is the part of you which represents your intuitive, spiritual understanding, and will help you make the wall between conscious and unconscious more permeable, preparatory to negotiating a detente with your Shadow.
If you're reading this, it's because synchronicity has drawn you here. If you're struggling, ask me and I will help if I can, as others came forward to help me when I needed assistance.
No questions? Every time I create one of these threads, I wonder if this is the time the last of the awakened have passed from this place.
Juan Sullivan
Is it even worth it to "wake up"? What's improved or changed for you?
Jonathan Carter
It's a decision you have to make. The Archons would remove it from you if they could, but the cell locks from the *inside*. You are your own jailor. If the surface is enough for you, if all you seek is mastery over the material, then you need not wake.
But I can tell you from personal experience that the rewards of the Deep Mysteries, while more subtle, are far beyond anything you can achieve on the surface. To quote the Tao Te Ching, "One who conquers an army has strength; one who conquers oneself has true power."
Ian Morris
How do I manifest my Anima? What is an "Anima" btw?
Lincoln Gomez
Have you awakened to some sort of power that can manifest in the real? Or something?
I feel like "awakening" would put someone in incredible danger.
Also what kind of "power" do you possess?
John Thomas
Your Anima is the archetypal manifestation of the female, of your own female nature. Her area of authority is the emotional, spiritual, and intuitive, and so is critical in learning how to manifest and negotiate with your other unconscious selves and, ultimately, your Shadow.
Hunter Bennett
Anima is probably the soul or something. This all seems very familiar to me for some reason. Especially the symbols.
Nathan Gutierrez
What cryptocurrency will be the best to invest in so I can stop worrying about how to afford living and I can start worrying about my self awakening?
Xavier Brown
I need to talk to you personally in depth, how can i reach out to you after this gets 404
Andrew Barnes
ive seen her before, but it was a long time ago
Eli Davis
You are correct. Waking involves reprogramming the way your brain works. There's nothing supernatural at work; we're simply using the techniques developed by millennia of shamans, oracles, prophets, and wise women to make the mind capable of creating meta-narratives to free us from the mechanistic clockwork of simple biology. As such, it is extremely dangerous for two very different reasons.
First, it's dangerous because it's is very possible to break your mind. You are doing what amounts to brain surgery on yourself, forcing new neural connections to form through the use of biofeedback and brain plasticity. The streets and mental hospitals are filled with those whose minds broke while attempting this reprogramming.
And secondly, it's dangerous because the sacred truths are used by the powers and principalities to rule the world. They have established secret societies who regard the sort of things I teach as proprietary, using it to hollow themselves out and manifest Goetic archetypes of power to rule over the material. They lack the imagination to conceive of any use for these abilities except rulership, so they regard developing or teaching these abilities as a threat to their own hegemony, laying traps in the form of fnords to catch those on whom their conditioning has broken.
Camden Ramirez
What should I do?
Lucas Cox
"Money" is a tool of the Archons. Ignore it. Those who seek for the Deep Mysteries are afforded special protections. You will not be rich or influential or even comfortable, but your material needs will be fulfilled if you develop the necessary discipline to practice stillness so that you can hear the still, small voice of the Atman (or the Godhead or the Holy Spirit, depending on your preferred paradigm).
There's a reason I post here. Revealing the secrets of the Archons is dangerous. This place provides cover amidst the thrashing and churning of the sleepers, since no one but those who wake even recognize or understand what I'm actually saying here.
If you need me, just call hard. I listen for such calls, and will create one of these threads when I feel the pull.
Adam Cox
This makes me sad that i possibly wont hear from you again. I'll try my best to make use of this connection now.
Please, in depth, tell me what i must do to free myself from myself?
Andrew Johnson
how do I begin to awaken?
Elijah Brooks
The very act of me telling you would make it useless.
In the model developed by Aristotle there are three modes of obtaining knowledge: empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, the application of pure rationalism is philosophy, and the application of pure revelation is mysticism. All three are necessary for a holistic understanding, providing a kind of parallax of spiritual sight.
Mysticism, then, can't be taught or shown or reasoned, only experienced individually. I can teach people the skills necessary to dive for the Deep Mysteries, but you must choose to pursue them for yourself, and the paradigm you develop must spring from your own nature and experience.
Julian Diaz
Where is the Deep Mystery diving board? Is it through drugs, academic mastery, or a little extra yoga every day?
Andrew Rivera
can you tell me the skills?
Anthony Young
Cast your bread on the water. The stream is all around us, supporting us and pulling us. Most people grip the ground in fear and spend their lives in one place. You must let go and trust. You will be thrown against rocks and dashed along the ground, but if you develop faith and discipline and are courageous, your trust will be rewarded. Have faith that when I'm needed, I or someone like me will come. After all, you needed me now, and here I am.
Christopher Bennett
I am lost, I am trapped, I am depressed, I want to scream from my abyss.
My shadow is broken, part of it is poisoning me part of it is pushing me forward. I am learning to forgive myself and relearning how to love myself. I am soul-sick, in the dark night of the soul, and feeling both terribly alone and against the world itself.
I ask the god within you, how do I pick up the torch again?
Brayden Cook
user, idk what im doing in life. I've moved to a new city to go to college. I'm going to pursue law and become a divorce lawyer but im only doing it for the pay. It's not what i want to do but my father has his PhD and he's very far in his vocation. He has expectations on me that i feel the need to fulfill although on the inside its killing me. I know the answer to my question. I have to let go, i have to have faith. Thanks man, i wish there was something i could do to repay you for this. I will lead my own life as repayment for this knowledge.
Brayden Murphy
>If you're reading this, it's because synchronicity has drawn you here.
No its my clear lack of alcohol which has brought me here.
Blake Nelson
As a Jungian, I've already mentioned that the first step is to manifest your Anima.
The answer is yes. All of those will work. It's not the specifics of the paradigm you use which matter, but rather the amount of auto-suggestion it's able to induce. The more you buy into it, the better the tool becomes at modifying the way your brain works.
There are barriers you must pass to seek for the Deep Mysteries. The first major barrier all seekers encounter is ego-death. You must experience the end of the ego-self in order to recognize Self as more than just the mask you show the world. Only once you've died can you see that there's far more than the mortal and temporary ego-self to your identity. There are many ways to get there, from drugs to meditation to fasting to sweat-lodging, but they all require discipline. If you want to see what it looks like when someone looking for a good time experiences ego-death without warning or preparation, search on YouTube for "salvia freakouts".
Xavier Brooks
Is anima another name for Ka, Chi, Ki, Chakra, Mana?
Assuming this is not a LARP, is anima manifestation the source of telekinesis? And if so, how does one train it?
Ethan Reyes
What's this about? Can you give me a crash course
Joseph Sanders
Yup, OP left like a turd in the wind
Austin Cox
My suggestion is to pick up a copy of Jung's Red Book. It wasn't something he intended to publish, and consists of his journal detailing his personal experiences in reprogramming his brain from the inside out.
The closer you get to the Source, the stronger the current you need to fight just stay in place. It may look to you like you've stopped moving forward, but you're struggling with incredible strength just to remain motionless. As you struggle and strain, you are developing the spiritual muscles to make gains against the current.
Remember that we pay a price for wisdom. In order to reach past the Abyss to Chokmah, there must be nothing left of the ego-self of Choronzon to latch onto. Until you've torn the last of your ego-self like Woden plucking out his eye at the Mimisbrunnr, Choronzon will throw you back again and again as you seek to cross the Abyss.
Be patient. Seek stillness. Have faith. And remain steadfast. In time, you will become stronger. Each failure puts you one step closer to unity in Kether.
Chase Roberts
What is a Rosicrucian?
Henry Perez
Hi, OP.
In another moment in my life I would have thought your words contain nothing bu babble, but recebtly I ha e discovered that the irrational and the rational are one and the same, for it is the same mind that analyses both. Would you say that the purpose of biological life is the transmission of information? Philip K. Dick has sort of implanted this notion in my mind and it is kind of scary to see how well it can describe our existence. In a more grounded approach, would you say that humanity is in danger, since post-truth has conpromised our ability to control and understand the exchange of information? Also, is awakening according to Jungians a way to channel the innermost archetypes dormant in our souls? Thanks for creating this thread, OP
Samuel Wood
Learn to practice what the Taoists call wei wu wei, literally "action no-action." It's sometimes translated into English as "passivity," but that's incorrect. It refers to passivity within your own nature, the way a musician doesn't think about playing, but watching passively from inside while the body plays.
If you can develop your wu wei, you can be still inside even while your body is going through the motions of "earning a living" and doing the things necessary for physical survival. But you're the best judge of whether or not you can accomplish this. The Taoists warn never to pick up anything you can't put down. If you can make a heap of all your money and burn it, throw away your career with a laugh, then you can afford to have those things. Otherwise, as the Bible says, if thy eye offend thee, pluck it out.
When I needed help, secret masters came in answer to my call. Now, I pass on the kindness they showed me, as I hope one day you will do the same, helping fellow seekers on the path.
Hunter Morgan
Okay. You know your shit.
I'm curious about telekinesis, shapeshifting, physical transmutation.
Also, other dimensions and alternate timelines. Time travel, too.
Do you have any comment on these things? I've enough t believe that they must be possible, but have never gotten any reliable information on them.
John Smith
Why is a Rosy Martinist lurking here?
Matthew Walker
The Anima is the female part of the psyche. The Anima is the female-in-the-male as the Animus is her counterpart, the male-in-the-female. We all contain both male and female, each a narrative built into the structure of the brain. These narratives are called archetypes, as are the manifestations of those archetypes as symbols and thoughtform entities.
The important part of you already understands.
I always go down the thread posting by posting and answer each question in the order it comes, giving each as much or as little time as it takes to respond. If you haven't the patience to wait for me to get to each, then you're not ready for the answer anyway.
Ayden Campbell
Read "The Alchemist ". That is a gateway
Ethan Garcia
There are more things in heaven and earth, user, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Landon Diaz
I'm not a Rosicrucian, nor a Freemason, nor Skull & Bones, nor Thelemite. I'm not any kind of magician. I don't seek mastery, and I have no interest in manifesting my Will on the world of things. I'm a mystic, and while I would be considered esoteric by most paradigms, I tend to follow the path laid by people like Jung and Campbell and Jaynes, using cross-cultural analysis to sift the rites and rituals and other window dressing for the kernels of significance where the psychological rubber meets the spiritual road.
William Garcia
recently ive been dealing with the fact that most of the people my age (18-25) have little to no spiritual conciousness and its been baffling me for quite a while. All the distractions which society has created in order to separate the humane from the human and isolate the human from nature, like for example the whole entertainment pop culture music party scene which has engulfed a lot of people in its shallow materialism. Most recently one of the experiences that almost made sure that it aint all that bad was when i tried psychedelics, but i feel like a mass awakening is needed. I don't know what to do. Should i better myself for my own sake or should i do something to try and help other people or both. im really stuck here
Adrian Reyes
Rosicrucians are not magical, to do they seek to attain any mastery other than over themselves... As you say... True power, not soley spiritual or material.
Elijah Lopez
So... Anything?
Are such powers possible?
What's your ultimate goal, if not to develop psychic ability? Doesn't development necessarily the capability for psychic power/exertion of the will over matter? Could you do it if you wanted?
Christopher Wright
If I assume something about you, I would say you were a graduate student in psychology or philo
Aaron Lewis
So is this a spiritualism thing or what?
Luke Morris
Why do you seek power from this internet mystic? Why not have children and see a true mystery unfold before you?
Aiden Torres
A lot of those things are just party tricks. For example, "Astral projection" is just the recognition that the point-of-view in the representational world is arbitrary and can be moved anywhere you wish, but with concommitantly less data from which to manufacture the representational imagery. It is useful, therefore, for exploring your own unconscious geography as a physical place, but no more so than lucid dreaming or even free association.
Don't get distracted by the flashy effects; the real rewards are more subtle and vastly more important.
Jack Allen
Why not go back to /pol/ and take your autism with you?
Why not shove a spiked dragon dildo up your ass like the massive faggot you are?
Why not tie a noose and hang yourself with it, since you have no interest in the truth?
That doesn't really answer my question, though.
Are you implying that astral projection doesn't really provide you with the ability to travel to other physical locations?
"Party tricks"... so are you saying those things aren't possible/are faked, or are easy and unimportant in the grand scheme of things?
Exactly how much power over this world is it possible to develop? No, that's not my primary aim, but it would help me to better understand the territory.
Also, I wouldn't see interdimensional travel, or the ability to create different timelines, as "party tricks", personally. That's something I am very much interested in.
Michael Rogers
I think i got everything that i needed from you. Sincerely from my heart, Thank you O.P.
I pray that all of us that are here at this very moment got what we needed from this interaction. Peace, Blessings, and Mercy be upon us all. Goodbye!
Joshua Moore
I'm about to do DMT for the 4th time. I've got a pretty open mind but want to go deep and break through this time. Any tips?
Matthew Powell
Where are the furry posts when you need them. Save me foxasama!
Jordan Carter
The story-cycle of the Hero is coming to an end, and the old narratives are weakening preparatory to the creation of a new story-cycle, essentially a new operating system for the brain. The last time this happened was about 4000 years ago during the shift of hunter-gatherer to agrarianism. Those who have ruled through the use of the dominant narratives as embodied by the Goetia are trying to keep the Singularity suppressed as long as they can. To that end, they have promoted a culture built increasingly on distraction and oppression.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the adoption of cellphones was so fast and nearly universal? The government distributes cellphones to the homeless; did you think that was a kindness? From television to automobiles to smartphones, much of our culture is focused on trying to distract people from hearing the still, small voice of the Atman.
The forces at work, however, are far beyond anything the Archons can control. They can keep a Singularity at bay, but more and more fields from genetics to psychology are threatening to throw up a Singularity which redefines what "human" means, and they can't suppress them all. Eventually something will get through, and a whole new set of narratives will spring up.
Don't worry about the fate of humanity. You contain entire multiverses within you, so imagine how much greater the collective unconscious is beyond that. The powers and principalities have no authority great enough to rule the inner seas.
Seek the Deep Mysteries for yourself and let your Buddha-nature make whatever changes you are responsible for making without needing to think about it.
The pink beam is available for all who want to be transformed.
Caleb Perry
Jungian as in Carl Jung? The personality test guy?
Adrian Cooper
"I HAVE THE TRUTH"
t. Mystic Crybaby bitch
Oliver Bell
What do i do? Simple non cryptic answer pls
Noah Ross
How do I give money to your ministry?
Julian Gonzalez
I'm not saying "I have the truth", but I occasionally know bullshit when I see it.
No, I'm not just going to knock up some cow and ignore the deeper mysteries going googly-eyed over a couple of stinky little bugs as a result of parental hormones/instincts.
I hope the nuclear family unit is destroyed.
Jaxson Hughes
Obvious Jew communist faggot is obvious
Ryder Howard
Or what.
I'm telling you that "telekinesis" is possible with sufficient Will, but that we generally leverage our Will through the movement of our arms. Do you remember the scene in the Matrix where Morpheus asks Neo if he thinks that's air he's breathing?
There's a Buddhist parable about two monks, the student and the master. The master points at a rock and says, "What's that?"
The student replies, "It's the image of a stone I create in my mind, master," replies the student.
The master picks up the rock and hits the student in the head with it. "Poor fool," he says, "what a heavy head you must have."
The student is correct, the rock is a representational image we create in our minds, but *so is everything else*. We grant things their own reality so that we needn't keep it all inside us. We pick up a rock with our hands and move it somewhere else so that we needn't hold the reality of the rock inside our heads all the time.
All the other abilities work the same way. You can create entire Universes inside your head. In fact, you do so every night when you go to sleep, routinely and without effort. Such abilities can be useful and fruitful, but not in and of themselves. They are just tools, and if you focus on them unduly, they can distract you from the truly important things these tools are used to discover.
Angel Ward
Discover what? More endless subtleties and mysteries?
Nathan Jackson
Have you taken the heroic dose and passed through the fractal pattern referred to as the "golden chrysanthemum" to commune with the machine elves? It's a transformative experience, as it involves experiencing ego-death and visiting your greater Self. In fact, neurobiologists are currently studying the phenomenon of the machine elves because of the universality of their appearance as jeweled, self-dribbling basketballs who sing the world into existence. The current hypothesis is they represent the mind's attempt to visualize the part of our Self responsible for manufacturing representational reality.
Xavier Sullivan
What happens to me if I die without following the path you're talking about?
Jason Morris
Obvious mundane dopamine-controlled slave monkey is obvious
>assuming that everything you don't like is either communism, Jews, or the "left" >being unable to think or comprehend anything except in terns of a political/racial binary >thinking that the enslavers didn't design nuclear family unit to weaken White familial ties >being this retarded
Go back to /pol/, faggot. This is Yea Forums.
Cool.
Is it possible to sustain such universes after the death of the physical body? Is there a hierarchy to the omniverse's energy that needs to be understood in order to sustain oneself?
Joseph Walker
Yes, Jungian as in C.G. Jung, sometimes referred to as the "psychological model of magick." And the personality test to which you're referring, the MBTI, is based on Jungian archetypes, but wasn't created by Jung himself.
I'm a mystic. If you've been reading this thread, then you should have seen my definition of mysticism, and why mysticism is useful. You're asking for non-mystical mysticism, which is like asking me for a glass of waterless water.
The very first line of the Tao Te Ching is a warning: "The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao." In other words, it's a pointing finger and it's warning you to look where it's pointing, not at the finger.
Dude this is great, really enjoying reading your insights and discourse. It's a rare individual to take knowledge and mystic insight from many sources - I see you referencing the Dao De Ching, the Bible, germanic paganism, buddhism, hinduism -.and see the truth behind it all. All these philosophies dress things up with different words but you seem to be able to see what they are all pointing at. Rarer still, I think, is the one who can communicate these ideas without giving the game away and cheapening it.
I haven't explored the realm of Jungian mysticism myself, though I think it may be of interest to me. From this thread it seems the language of Jungian mysticism does tend towards the "larping middle schooler" in my view, but it doesn't change the true message behind it.
Anyway, just stopping by to say hello to a fellow traveler of the deeper paths and thank you for spending some time around here.
Anthony White
>design the nuclear family unit to weaken White family ties
Explain this. What familial situation is better?
Noah Morgan
When I was in crisis as a seeker, I asked for help and secret masters came to my aid, not to show me where to go but to teach me how to listen to my heart to decide where I *wanted* to go. Now I try to do the same, passing on the kindness they showed me to others. I don't want or need money. The Universe provides for those who seek.
Samuel Kelly
These threads would be useful if you weren't so intent on typing so cryptically. Even to fairly simple questions like where to start, you just need to say something like 'read Jung's red book' Not some hocus pocus unga bunga garbage
Sebastian Moore
Tell me about egregore
Ian White
Read more, nigger
Justin Garcia
Not yet, but I'm ready to. My past forays have been at the end of broad adventures. Too many experiences burbled up at once and everything was too fast and jumbled. This time I'm approaching it with purpose and clarity.
Andrew Reed
>this
I'm all for spiritual exploration, but this is how it's usually presented. Verbose, and non-committal. "The benefits are subtle" is the most detail this person has given about what actually happens if you practice any of this.
Asher Gomez
Larp more nigger
Oliver Bell
The point of the nuclear family unit is to make the state all-powerful and weaken the family. It divides the entire extended family until it's a collection of loosely-organized weaker cells connected more to society at large than each other.
I was raised in a nuclear family unit, and rarely was there contact between various units within the overall extended family, and never has it operated as a cohesive whole.
The family unit prevents families from gaining power by sharing and looking out for each others' interests. There was a time when White families still worked together, lived under one roof, were loyal to one another, had family crests, had a sense of honor.
Whites and Blacks are definitely the hardest hit by this - Family with a capital F is still a very important concept to a lot of Hispanics and others. Also, whatever you think of Hispanics, their family groups became so powerful that they do indeed threaten the globalist-controlled puppet government of Mexico in ways White Nationalists and Nazis could only dream of.
The glory days that so many WNs dream of could be resurrected not through politics or campaigning or even terrorism, but through internal cohesion within an entire extended family and the slow buildup of power.
I want this for all races. It will eventually make the current state of society obsolete and solve many political problems.
Bentley Thompson
To quote the Tao Te Ching, "How do I know this is true? I look inside myself and see." I'm not telling you what you need to seek, just offering tools to seek it. You are free to do with those tools what you please.
When I was new to lucid dreaming, I used to give myself superpowers and destroy my demons with heat vision or fists of steel. Now I prefer to let the fear teach me what lessons it has for me instead of avoiding it. It may be that in time you will tire of ruling an imaginary realm of physical things, and if that's the case, then I just remember what I've said about there being far deeper and more subtle things to discover when you do. 93
Robert Scott
93? I thought you weren't a Thelemite?
Dominic Reyes
I don't know. The whole point of the Deep Mysteries is... they're mysteries. They aren't vulnerable to exploration through reason. You can't logic them, you can't observe them. You have to experience them directly. The only way to know death is to die.
My own personal intuition tells me that questions about death are built on fundamental misunderstandings about what "life" in fact is, and the nature of personal identity. It's like turning on a light and asking where the shadows have gone; it can't really be answered because of an error in understanding what a "shadow" is, and how light works.
I'm not sure it's possible to die, or, if it is, that it's anything close to what we conceive it as being for the simple reason that we don't really understand what we are, much less what we aren't.
"Anima" Is the Italian for Soul. Just an exotic sounding word to bait Yea Forumstards.
Also, as in " l'Anima de li mortacci tua!".
Hunter Flores
Funny. The internet allows me to be anonymous. You have no idea who or what I am. Maybe if I talked like fortune cookie I could impress more vain people like you.
Nathan Hill
Oh okay, that much I can agree with. People are very much disconnected from their extended families. Hell, even the term "extended family" should just be the default definition of "family". I've never even heard of any of my friends going to a family reunion. That's why my family is actually really great. We get together quite often, my cousins, aunts, uncles. Any time someone travels abroad, it's our tradition to have a family dinner, and another when they get back. The "coming and going" meal.
White family, by the way. Not that it really matters.
Robert Ward
You may find Chaos Magick more to your liking. Jungians tend to see Chaos Magick as a subset of Jungian mysticism, while Erisians tend to see Jungian mysticism as a subset of Chaos Magick. Chacun a son gout. The paradigm is less useful than your ability to buy into the paradigm.
Lincoln Robinson
That's always something I've questioned. Who am "I"? Am I just a series of electrical signals passed around by neurons? Or is my consciousness merely interfacing with these physical things? And how will it manifest itself when they cease to function.
I'm just not convinced that these scholars have universal answers. Or that universal answers are even achievable, or desirable. Or relevant, for that matter. Personal answers are all we can ever really have. At least, that's what I believe now. Maybe I'll believe otherwise someday.
Christian Bell
The use (and abuse) of egregores, tulpas, and servitors are beyond the scope of what I try to teach here. If you're adept enough to manifest them, you probably don't need guidance from me, and are well aware of the dangers involved.
If you aren't a shamanic adept, then just be aware that these are advanced phenomena you should avoid for now.
Adam Martinez
If you unplug the supply of energy to a type of electric circuitry, circuitry stops functioning.
Our body is one such type of circuitry, and, as the kybalion says, physical laws do exist, and people who think they can just defy them are often met with disappointment.
I'm not saying they can't be bent or broken; they probably can. But altering parts of the brain can alter consciousness or memory, so part of me feels like there must be a reason for that... and thus death might shut off consciousness... but part of me also believes that creation of a soul and the use of higher magick can result in transcending death.
Also, I wasn't just saying I want to rule over a world of imaginary things. I want to understand how it all works, so I can rule over real things, but more importantly, just for the sake of understanding. If you made me a god and gave me a universe to play with, that would be nice, but I wouldn't be fully satisfied until I could understand how it all works at a base level
and learning the nature of time, how to manipulate it, and the existence/science of physical transmutation and parallel dimensions seem to be important as far as that goes.
Be careful with that. Chaos magick as a current is badly infected by all sorts of insanity. It's not what it appears to be on the surface (though I'm not saying it's all bad - just more likely to knock beginners off their path or even kill them than anything).
Tyler Barnes
So you're saying that even a novice could (maybe unintentionally) use them?
Matthew Bailey
I'm not, but 93 expresses certain useful truths the same way I quote freely from the Bible or the Tao Te Ching or the Dhammapada or the Baghavad Gita. In this case, I mean "93" to mean, "Take what you want and pay the price." We become that which we seek, exchanging pieces of our identity for what we learn.
Jaxon Evans
Unnecessary spookiness, methinks. If I needed an intermediary to God, I would not be fully human. Maybe you should reflect on that more than me listen to you!
Tyler Hughes
you sound like this dumb bitch I knew who joined a cult called soka gakai and is now a "bodhisattva of the earth."
I tend to use Sheldrake's morphic field model in which the brain is more like an antenna which picks up certain frequencies of transmission from the energy field which connects all life. Alter the antenna and you alter the signal you're picking up. But destroying the antenna does not destroy the signal.
Yes. There are irresponsible people and websites which can and will teach you how to create a thoughtform if that's what you really want, but manifesting a tulpa to give yourself a sexual partner -- what most notices use it for -- is like jerking or jilling off with a hand grenade.
Oliver Wood
Yeah, it's hard to tell the difference between people who know their shit and people who joined insane cults at first glance.
Can verify that OP knows his shit - at least, some of it. But is he sincere or malicious? Once you start getting into spiritual shit, that becomes the real question.
Oh, nice. I also use that model. Seems to work better than anything.
Sebastian Reed
I don't encourage anyone to use my specific paradigm. In fact, I go to some effort to make people aware that *all* maps are fallacious by nature of them being maps, and that eventually one must leave the map and walk the territory. That doesn't make maps useless, however.
>implying Christianity telling you everything else is demonic isn't a way to ensure population/mind control and keep the esoteric faculties from being developed
But hey, as long as you think your slavery makes you free, right?
There's so much legitimate esoteric info in Hindu texts that there's no wonder your god doesn't want you reading it. Christian holy books would be revealed to you for the bullshit they are.
Michael Evans
>sexual partner
Yeah that seems a bit short-sighted. I mean, even using it for money would ultimately get the same result with far more benefits. Still short-sighted, but not THAT bad.
Nicholas Perry
>There's so much legitimate esoteric info in Hindu texts >shits in the street seems legit
You know, there are Christian theologians who believe that Yeshua was a Buddhist, or that at the very least he studied Buddhism during the "missing years." Yeshua attempted to reform Judaism the same way Gautama tried to reform Hinduism, and Yeshua's Sermon on the Mount seems taken almost word for word from Gautama's teachings.
Those who are awake need not ask any questions nor try to wake the asleep. Im not buying your lame excuses. If you really knew what you're talking about, You'd know that everyone must learn the secrets themselves, otherwise the fruits of knowledge are useless. The secret of learning about one's self can never be found outside of one's self, but the asleep always tend to seek it outside, whether it be in money, power, religion or help from an online self-professed guru. And yet, here you are, claiming to be here to "help people ". Nobody can fix anyone's personal problems and internal delusions, because only the person in question has the full internal access to do such a thing. Only the person himself has the key to the locked room in the back of his mind.
Eli Peterson
You obviously haven't done any reading on the subject, and I'd recommend you start.
Obviously, Hinduism was very class-based, and the peasants weren't meant to know much.
At any rate, shitting in the street has nothing to do with spiritual knowledge.
"Man, how could Americans have a decent mililtary? They don't even take their shoes off when they go inside, the barbarians!"
Christian Lopez
Not OP, but sometimes helping to guide people to that key is the right thing to do.
Christian Jenkins
How's your occultist recruiting going? Find any suckers yet?
You are quite correct, which is why I don't try to teach people the Deep Mysteries. I couldn't even if I wanted to do so. What I do is try to give people a variety of tools to allow them to hone their insight to first discover what it is they really seek, and then find the paradigm(s) which will show them a path. Not that I wrote "a path" and not "the path."
"Occult" just means, literally, "hidden." As Yahweh himself says he puts scales over the eyes of the wise, Christianity itself is occult.
Landon Walker
Any books or recommend reading for those starting from square one? This all feels a little hand wavy but I'm intrigued.
Thomas Ross
Is plato, and therefore platonism, illuminating the inherently illusory nature of conditioned reality, and that the true nature of reality lies beyond concept and symbol?
Curious to see how you describe unstable world systems and a guiding light to salvation.
Blessings.
Jackson Reyes
In particular, unsustainable growth that seemingly defies the laws of nature.
Like interest.
Dylan Cooper
That would be the equivalent of giving someone fish and feeding him, instead of teaching him how to catch fish. But you cant teach self-awareness, that's why its SELF-awareness. If you are self aware, you eventually get uncommon knowledge about the world and the human psyche as well, but always through your own psyche and the particularities of your own mind, which means such knowledge is always more or less biased and therefore can't be used in reverse by another person to reach self-awareness. It will instead by just a copy of someone else's knowledge which doesnt lead to genuine understanding. It will be the same as people who parrot religious babble and ideological bullshit. The religious seek proof they are good, the ideologues - that they are right, and the mystic followers - that they are awake. If you follow someone, you will never be either of those. If you were, you would not need to follow either of those paths. For the "awake" is always awake in his own sleep.
Is there any good forum/mail group for people interested in such topics? I'm studying "Mysterium coniunctionis" right now and would like to share my thoughts somewhere.
Ian Cruz
There are a number of books which have been helpful for me, personally, but it's going to depend largely on your own interests. As I've reiterated several times, *what* you believe is less important than *that* you believe. Auto-suggestion is the key to most progress.
That said, these are the books I've regarded as especially useful and meaningful to me, for whatever it may be worth to you:
- Man and his Symbols, by Carl Jung - The Red Book, by Carl Jung - Love's Executioner, by Irvin Yalom - The Emperor's New Mind, by Sir Roger Penrose - Shadows of the Mind, by Sir Roger Penrose - Character Analysis, by Wilhelm Reich - Interpretation of Dreams, by Sigmund Freud - Walden, by Henry David Thoreau - CoPR, by Immanuel Kant - Illusions, by Richard Bach - Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, by Julian Jaynes - Dhammapada, by Siddhartha Gautama - Tao Te Ching, by Lao Tzu - Goedel, Escher, Bach, by Douglas Hodstadter - Hero with a Thousand Faces, by Joseph Campbell - Men Like Gods, by H.G. Wells - Pilgrim's Progress, by John Bunyan - Paradise Lost, by John Milton
Carter Peterson
Why would i wake my shadow? I had a dream ones of him i guess and he showed me that he will manifest himself only if i follow down a dark path. And from that dream i came to the understanding that a shadow in fact wants to remain what it is. A shadow. If you call him into being that means you become a dark version of yourself. That is what i understood from it right then ad there
James Stewart
> What I do is try to give people a variety of tools to allow them to hone their insight to first discover what it is they really seek
And why would you do such a thing? There are tons of mechanics, carpenters, lawyers and probably a fair share of Macdonalds employees on this board. You don't see people randomly making threads about how to change you engine oil, do you? How is this not LARPing?
Connor Perry
OP, I have a sex addiction. I'm a bit worried this might cause me some trouble in the long run.. What is your view on sex and romantic relationships? Or Love towards your companion for that matter
Adrian Cruz
In the Jungian model (which emerged largely from German existentialism, through the alienists, to phenomenologists like Husserl and Heidegger), one starts with one's own personal manifestations of certain universal symbols and works backwards. So you start with, say, your personal conception of the Virgin Mary and take a step backwards to the common image of the Virgin Mary. Then you step back from there and find the Gaia Earth Mother, who is herself a manifestation of the Anima. Then we step back and find the larger concept of Anima from the collective unconscious.
From my personal explorations, I have discovered that there are deeper and more primal abstractions, proto-gods lurking like vast, unknowable whales in the sunless depths below the level of language itself.
If there is a bottom, I have no yet found it.
The representational world in which we live is constructed from Platonic symbols filtered through Kantian schema, meaning we never really see the thing-in-itself, but only what we've asked of it. To quote the physicist Werner Heisenberg, "What we see is not reality in itself, but reality exposed to our method of questioning."
This is why the Universe responds so readily to our own expectations, and why it's a lot more malleable and strange than most people give it credit for.
Noah Cook
Thanks man!
I suggest this ultra beginner book for the future mystics:
The Monk and the Philosopher: A Father and Son Discuss the Meaning of Life by Matthieu Ricard
Jordan Peterson is the poster child for the credo that there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom.
No. If there were such a thing, it would be destroyed. The powers and principalities regard the sacred truths as their proprietary knowledge, and they go to considerable lengths to keep it that way. Because they can see no better use for the Deep Mysteries than rulership over the physical, they regard any person who preaches or teaches such knowledge as a threat to their rulership.
This is why, if you meet the Buddha on the road, you should kill him. It's called "occult" because it's hidden. If it isn't hidden, someone is trying to sell you something.
Isaiah Taylor
I’m not looking for the bottom. Only complete illumination under the music of the spheres
Follow the current and pull others onto my raft? or cast off from the raft and strike for the far shore?
Justin Cooper
You know, I've been here since the early days, and there was a time when such threads were common. People from a variety of ages, occupations, and social classes gave people the benefit of their experience. But like I wrote in the very first post of this thread, if you think it's nonsense -- and I guess you do -- then feel free to move on. I'm not offended.
Brandon Johnson
As an interested outside observer, one thing I've never been able to grasp is any meaningful difference between those enlightened and those on false paths.
I guess that's not really a question, just something im curious ever holds you back.
Adam Thomas
But you *are* your Shadow. Your Shadow is you. The ego-self is a mask you show the world, the tip of a much vaster iceberg which represents your true identity, the larger Self. The Shadow embodies everything you regard as evil because it's all the things about yourself you hate. Learning to make peace with the Shadow and, with a lot of work, accepting it as part of your nature is how you find unity within yourself.
You can't truly love another until you've learned how to love yourself. I'm not talking here of the lesser loves like eros or storge, but rather of agape, the love God holds for her Creation: a terrible, fierce love which exists outside of all moral boundaries, a love which can ignite stars and set galaxies spinning.
Adam Taylor
Love? Delusion. An illusory moment of separation from the whole
Who could love such division but mara.
Tyler Morales
Most people have it the wrong way around; they think the symbolic concepts around sex are the abstractions of the physical act of love-making. In fact, the physical act of sex is the abstraction used to represent the Rebis, the ultimate unity of the Self. Your obsession with the physical act of sex is really about your spiritual drive to combine the Anima and Animus and achieve Oneness.
I don't want to reveal too much here, in the open, but I will say that if you learn how to chain up certain very basic forms of spiritual metal -- with pain being the lowest form, easily obtainable -- you can build up towards sating your need to achieve the Rebis.
Trips. Wow. But just to further declare the dream an what i interpreted into it: i had the dream while i was getting out of a relationship and the girl i was with still lived in my apartment. During that time i had the dream where i found myself in some kind of dark bad lands. I was seeing here and i had feeling of envy in me which drove me to hurt her. In doing so i was getting hurt myself by a Monster. The more i hurt her the more i was getting punished and at the end of the dream i lookwd through the eyes of a monster. From that i gathered the following: my shadow is the dark potential i have in myself. And that potential doesnt want to manifest itself into a persona, because that persona would not only hurt others, but also itsself. So the lesson my shadow showed me that night was, that i had to let go of the envy in myself, because i could feel it eating myself while i imagined my ex being with other guys for example. This was also my first relationship and i didnt know what i should do. And please dont get me wrong. I love my shadow for showing me this and other things, although it is through hurting me
Eli Cox
You ask like they're mutually exclusive. Noted physicist Niels Bohr once wrote, "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
There is a golden path, the path of dharma, and when we are on this path life is very easy. To leave this path is to "kick against the spurs" and set out into the thick underbrush where we are ripped at and bloodied by thorns and burrs. But if we're courageous and determined, we can forge a new path through manifesting our Will. And in my experience, if you can push hard enough for long enough, you will often look down and discover that golden path is right under your feet, as if it was there all along.
Taoists say that everyone follows the Tao, though some follow the Tao by not following the Tao. Don't try to limit yourself through the creation of dichotomies.
Samuel Parker
No, it's the equivalent of teaching someone that fishing exists. Fuck off. Obvious b8 is obvious
Easton Flores
Eros or phillia, maybe, but agape is the spiritual basis of love, the source of which all other loves are a pale imitation. Agape is relentless, terrible, and absolute. It can bear no limitations. It is greater than reality itself, the fierceness of the One ripping itself to Many in order to perceive itself, and gathering its many Selves to her bosom.
Jose Wilson
As love is unconditioned. If it seems like you’re replying to two confused halves, I apologize.
Ayden Sanders
In the agape of self, is it not obvious that incredible suffering has been wrought across the very stars it sought to give?
Jonathan Young
Have you read Jung's Red Book? It's currently believed that Jung was a self-treating schizophrenic, and the Red Book describes his personal experience of reprogramming his brain from the inside out. Part of that process involved taking long walks with a demon, the manifested form of his Shadow. He would go walking in the forest with this demon, and they would discuss his psychological model. This demon was in fact the source of much of what Jung developed into his model.
In the beginning, your Shadow is hostile and self-destructive, but every archetype has many different faces. Just as the Anima can manifest as the gentle Gaia Earth-Mother or the fierce Dakinis, the Shadow too can turn multiple faces to the world. Some of those faces are awful and self-destructive but, as you've seen, it has other faces too, more thoughtful and wise.
That's not to say you should encourage the worst parts of yourself, but you can learn to accept that these parts exist, to show yourself the kind of empathy and kindness you'd show to an angry and hostile stranger to turn aside their wrath.
That was profound, I thank you for your effort to answer
Jordan Nguyen
Come on man, you can say you're just practicing your writing skills or you just give knowledge with no expectations or ulterior motive and everyone can take whatever he wants. Instead you come here, pretending to have some super deep hidden knowledge nobody else has and try to present yourself as a messiah with the mission to wake people up, just because you read what someone else wrote. Its clearly visible you haven't come to most of this by yourself. You use other peoples definitions and recommend their books. And now as you get exposed for pseudo-mystic you are, you play the "I'm not offended, leave if you don't like it" card. That's quite predictable fam, all too predictable. Well here is a little advice from me, as I see you're not here to intentionally deceive people. Read less . Explore things in yourself by yourself more. The messianic phase is temporary, you'll grow out of it once you dig deeper.
Is it really her you want back? Or what she represents? Because you don't really know her; you know yourself as a projection in her shape, and your longing for her is really about something you need from yourself.
Camden Morgan
Do you listen to Tool?
Ryder Fisher
Jesus.
Ok your right. But. I do want her back. I have changed so much...
It's what's Nietzsche meant when he wrote, "That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil." Because agape has no boundaries by definition, it is absolute. No amount of agony and suffering can sate it. It's why agape is so important to Christian theology, as Yeshua was the sacrifice made by the One to return the torn and bleeding Many to her bosom; without this balancing of the books, the One could not achieve unity with the imperfect and corrupted Selves. The hells are a mercy used to burn impurities from the flawed metals so that they do not become permanently separated from the motherlode.
Henry Hall
Hope is for fags and weak-minded plebs.
Kevin Torres
It is time for me to keep moving. Thank you, sincerely, for speaking. I have much to illuminate.
Rebis.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!
Samuel Anderson
Not sure how I missed answering this question; I suppose it's difficult enough that my unconscious suppressed it. That means it's interesting enough to wrench my attention onto it.
Yes, I am still human. I am not a Buddha and haven't chosen -- yet -- to give up my hold on the physical. As such, I am vulnerable to those constant doubts which cause second-guessing and hesitation.
On one level, it's this natural cynicism which has protected me from falling into one trap or another along the way, always holding something back so that I don't fully commit to a path which could steer me wrong. But it also holds me back from achieving the perfect faith necessary for reaching the far side of the Abyss.
In the end, I pursue my path and, if I lack the faith to fully release my grip, I find sufficient faith to know that some day when I am strong enough, I *will* let go and achieve that perfect faith I have no yet allowed myself.
Jonathan Clark
hi im lonely and lost all my friends and pretty depressed too, i have experienced the ego-death through cacti psychedelics and i have felted otherwordly beings stirring the reality arround me on rare ocassions but my post is about having fear of creating something that could cause troubles if i get somehow awake but unguided
Luis Morales
that sacrifice thing is weird. never really heard a mystic talk about such action as a means for liberation. it actually sounds like black magick
Daniel Watson
Have you manifested the Anima? She has both the spiritual power and the compassionate desire to keep you safe, which is why Jungians manifest her as a first step. She is an internal teacher for developing the discipline to handle the more advanced teachers you'll find within, after you've received her instruction passing through the conscious/unconscious barrier.
Jordan Barnes
and sorry if i dont make sense, im not fluent in english and i may have missed some information
Hudson Walker
was passing over an accidental omission?
Juan Rodriguez
im not really sure, i had some experiences in times i cannot sleep when multiple female voices speak to me but i hardly get anything solid to understand i think at least part of it and sorry again if i dont make any sense
Connor Clark
As a Jungian, I tend to draw more from the pagan Germanic roots of mysticism. That includes Meister Eckhart, whose Christian mysticism is based on the Godhead, the Christian interpretation of the Atman.
The real division between Eastern and Western mysticism is the nature of Void, of the Abyss. In Eastern mysticism, there are actually two Voids: the devouring Abyss in which all things lose their meaning, and the creative Void which contains all possibility, which the Taoists call the Great Mother. This difference explains why Western mysticism seems so much more bleak and empty than its Eastern counterpart.
Isaac Morris
Thank you for the booksuggestion. Im reading at the moment jungs modern man in search of a soul but will keep that in mind. You are most certainly right. It was an act of kindness that my shadow showed me the path downwards. But i remain sceptical about creating it into a persona,although i will keep your words in mind and see what the next years will bring
Landon Sullivan
how do i know if i manifested her? how do i do it without messing up and mannifesting other things?
Jaxon Torres
I have lied to my friends and family for past 4 years about going to college. I really want to pull myself together now. Wat do?
Jaxson Ward
No, I thought I had addressed it here in responding to the posting immediately preceding it, but if you feel I didn't, I'd be willing to take another shot at it.
Grayson Campbell
I feel like I'm drawn into a pit of darkness. The source of this darkness is one person.
I don't know if it's really a true darkness, an interlude in my life, or if this is a darkness that will allow me into some light.
Life has felt so heavy lately. Thick with fear, worry, and other troubles. I just don't know what to do.
James Nelson
Is unregulated growth a world system collapsing event?
Juan Roberts
the golden rule is a nice filter, man. :)
Nathan Lopez
It's going to be different from person to person, but generally just asking the Anima to manifest is enough suggestion for her to do so. If it helps, I'll explain how my own Anima manifested.
I started noticing a young Christina Applegate as a background character in my dreams, never part of the main action, but just hanging around playing a bit role. Finally, after months of noticing her, I noticed her punching a cash register in a canteen in one my dreams and approached her. I asked her if she was my Anima and she laughed a very pretty laugh, called me a dope, and said of course she was and she'd been waiting for me to notice her.
Eventually what would happen is, if there was a part of a dream I didn't understand, I'd find myself in an empty movie theatre afterward with Christina Applegate. We'd share a big box of popcorn and the dream would replay on the screen, and the two of us would discuss the symbols in the dream and what they meant and what I'd missed.
Jose Powell
felt through all my life i have treated almost everyone in a comprensive helping and caring way hoping they treat me better but somehow the balance feel short on me, and though the years has grow some bitterness in me that i hate, but nothing has changed
Christian Evans
what's the characteristic of the western void?
Dylan Turner
i feel this could help, when im there i maybe do something useful this time
Nathaniel Taylor
Lying to others is not generally a good thing, but there are exceptions. For instance, there an ethical test you can apply about whether you believe they would thank you for lying if they knew you were doing so. This is generally of the, "Do these jeans make me look fat?" variety.
But what is *never* good is lying to yourself. The question you need to ask is whether your lying has progressed beyond just being a useful fiction for practical purposes and is being used to hide yourself from yourself. Gnothi Seauton.
What you need to do right now is spend some time just being still, removing yourself from outside interruptions and distractions, and being as ruthlessly honest with yourself as you can tolerate being. Ask yourself in what ways you are benefiting from your lies, and whether the time has come that the drawbacks have begun to overwhelm the advantages -- an answer I suspect you already have, but need permission to acknowledge consciously.
Zachary Adams
yup. its a classic hardship. seems part of the human experience is not just the being but the home too - a combo harmony or marriage. but, the home right now is a bit motivated by childish algorithm or action. so, even if the human is good, the home inspires childish action that compels the human to hurt, steal and be selfish.
Brandon Jackson
As you know, I'm a Jungian. An interesting thing about the psychoanalysis; the analyst is not so much listening to what you say as how you say it. The use of negative language is one of the big "tells" they're listening for. This is because there's no such thing as a negative thought. We must have the positive thought first, and then we invert it as a form of denial.
When you write, "I just don't know what to do," what I read is, "I know exactly what to do, but don't want to acknowledge it to myself."
You are wholly responsible for your emotions. That dread and fear and worry does not belong to the other person, it belongs to you. That means YOU are the source. The person you need to be focusing on is not the other person but yourself. What are you hiding from yourself, what are you afraid to acknowledge, and -- most importantly -- *why?*
Carter Reyes
sometimes i also feel that if i really tried hard i could bring something dark from other place that could eat the world or cause suffering, and i fear to do it unwillingly but at the same time im eager to experiment to see what i really could do sometimes i feel like my spiritual self (and it sounds wierd to me call it like that but i havent other words) its covered in flames that born from my hands, and then i became something like a hurricane that covers miles stirring things like when you dont want to kill bugs but know that walking the grass may kill some
Owen Cruz
There's no such thing as unregulated growth. Even bacteria and cancer cells and mold is regulated by access to energy. As for whether the world is going to "collapse," it's not. Or rather, it's not going to collapse any more than it has always collapsed constantly.
The central tenets of Buddhism are: All created things perish, all created things are grief and pain, and all forms are unreal; one who knows and sees this becomes passive in pain, and this is the way that leads to purity. In other words, change is constant. Everything is impermanent. Even the stars and galaxies die. There are collapses large and small going on constantly on Planet Earth, and is not something you should be overly invested in worrying about.
Jeremiah Clark
Can you elaborate more? This sounds interesting.
Sounds pretty gay to me. If you can take whatever you want and any path is valid, then why hells? Why purify? Why not separate from the "mother lode" and become your own substance?
>and your longing for her is really about something you need from yourself
No. Not that user, but this is very wrong, at least in some cases. May help some people, but doesn't apply to every situation. Sometimes it's really just that person.
Henry Murphy
Kindness isn't a gift you give to others, it's a gift you give to yourself. Carrying around anger and hurt and jealousy and bitterness does more hurt to you than it does to anyone else. Show yourself pity and be kind to people who haven't earned it as a way of rewarding yourself.
Samuel Edwards
Thank you. I wasn’t sure if I had some responsibility to shepherd beings away from dependency on an unsustainable system. Or, an “out of balance” system.
Joseph Russell
Dsfrghdsfgh. That's the answer I thought you might give, and the one I've been trying to tell myself.
I'm miserable where I am, but afraid of moving on because of my foolish loyalty to others who aren't loyal to me at all. I'm hurt regularly and I'm tired of it. I give nothing but kindness but get none in return. I'm so afraid of them darkening my heart with their anger.
I know I need to leave for my own sake. I'm afraid to acknowledge that because I'm afraid of the hurt I might cause.
... I think.
Hudson Campbell
there are some righteous bros in this thread. you are making me cry bros..
Tyler Cook
May all beings be free from suffering
Nolan Brown
Entire books have been written on the nature of Void and the Abyss in Western philosophy, but it's easiest to think of it in terms of the sephirots. The Tree of Life casts its own Shadow, the Tree of Death, and this tree has qlippoths where the Tree of Life has sephirots. A thing is qlippoth when it has only a surface and no interior reality; an empty shell from which all meaning has vanished.
In Judaic lore, the Abyss is the unfinished place where Yahweh stopped in Creation. It therefore contains *both* the devouring Void and the creative Void. It is the realm of a terrible demon, Choronzon, whose job it is to keep the impure from the higher sephirots on the Tree of Life.
David Scott
Help me Jungian mystic dude. I'm lost.
William Ross
If you really feel your dharma is to be a monster, then be the best monsters you can. Shake the walls of the Earth with your monstrosity. Adopt the monster-nature and fulfill your narrative role as a monster. But my feeling is you're probably not a John Wayne Gacy or a Ghenghis Khan, that you have no duty to become an existential evil to provide context to the light, and that you can therefore put aside that burden.
Dominic Edwards
so like Tibetan Bardos?
Christopher Gomez
You're only lost if you care where you are. Chapter 20 of the Tao Te Ching: What's the difference between yes and no? What's the difference between beautiful and ugly? Must one dread what others dread? Oh barbarity! Will it never end?
Other people are joyous, like on the feast of the ox, Like on the way up to the terrace in the spring. I alone am inert, giving no sign, Like a newborn baby who has not learned to smile. I am wearied, as if I lacked a home to go to.
Other people have more than they need, I alone seem wanting. I have the mind of a fool, Understanding nothing.
The common people see clearly, I alone am held in the dark. The common people are sharp, Only I am clumsy, Like drifting on the waves of the sea, Without direction.
Other people are occupied, I alone am unwilling, like the outcast. I alone am different from the others, Because I am nourished by the great mother.
Aaron Lee
when I was younger I kinda understand this pov but then I realized that you don't really have to yell if you are with Truth
Jackson Watson
Yes, but with subtle differences -- the difference between East and West. It's why it's so important to understand both perspectives.
i feel this thread is about to die and i prob. have to sleep now but i want to say thanks to you hope to find you again
Luke Baker
I'll be here when I'm needed. Just shine the Jung signal.
Dylan Williams
Sounds a lot like an inevitable consequence of the reconciliation of mortality.
Samuel Watson
I haven’t dreamed in years and I want to be able to again. Even as I write this to ask you, do you think weed is holding me back from this?, I am answering my own question. Another question. From ages 11 to 18 I had imaginary friends and an imaginary world based on an elaborate expansion of the fictional world of Hyrule. I got a friend to astral project there and confirm to me people I knew there. But I never managed to project there, it was more like an extended daydream. I’ve long ago come to terms with what I was up to, but what else can I learn from this experience?
Charles Torres
Can the anima be manifested via writing? I constantly come up with stories to write, and one in particular has haunted me for years, but I have avoided writing it down. It involves a beautiful young girl who is a succubus in truth, but yet so young that she doesn't know her nature or fate to destroy men. I feel like I know her personally, but I also fear I may fall in love with her if I begin to write in earnest.
Bentley Davis
im not op but it could be, i have dreaming sessions when i dont sleep so well, like when have background noise or too much light, as weed is somehow a calmant i think it could be making you sleep so well you cant dream you could try sleep with lots of light and see if it makes you dream
Kevin Allen
Everyone dreams. Everyone. What you've lost the ability to do is remember them. It's not strictly necessary to consciously remember them, as you're doing the work unconsciously anyway, but if you want to remember them I can help you.
You need to keep a dream journal. Keep a pen and a notepad by your bed, and get into the habit of writing down your dreams the INSTANT you wake. It has to become such an ingrown habit that you do it without really thinking about it. By doing this, you force your brain to start storing your dreams in long-term memory instead of short-term memory. Believe it or not, you *are* remembering dreams when you wake, you're just forgetting that you remembered them as they fade.
As for your visualization exercises, these are referred to by Jung as "active imagination." You are utilizing the same machinery used to to manufacture dreams while you're awake. Most professional writers use this method for "setting the stage" when they're writing a story, a kind of mental Holodeck.
Parker Hill
Yes, "spirit writing" is a common esoteric active imagination exercise. It's especially effective if you use your left hand, as it forces you to use a different part of your brain than the one you normall use. You can experiment with this to see the difference by answering a question twice, once with the left hand and once with the right, and you'll notice that even though you intended to write the same answer, you in fact wrote different ones.
An extreme version of this sometimes occurs with people who have experienced certain types of strokes or had the corpus colossum severed to treat severe epilepsy, with a phenomenon called "alien hand syndrome."
Ryan Mitchell
OP, if you're still around, would you mind replying to this one? I was posting from my phone, hence the typos in my post.
Brayden Taylor
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Sorry, I must have missed this one, although it was on my mind because you'll note I referred to the pink beam in another posting.
For a Jungian, the ultimate goal is unity of the Self, of the acceptance of all of the various unconscious Selves and integration into a larger and more hormonious whole. This is why the Shadow is the largest challenge; by definition is represents all the things you hate most about yourself, and which you refuse to recognize as part of your identity.
I would say that communication is actually probably one of the barriers which needs to be overcome eventually. That is to say, language is a source of power, but it also represents a kind of crutch. I have visited placed where language cannot be, and which can only be visited by travelling down the brainstem to primal levels of being before the development of language.
Benjamin Reyes
I have had the same experience. The more weed I smoke, the less I dream. Confirmed by my brother (a hardcore stoner now on the path to sobriety). My theory is that weed activates the brain to go as far out as it can. You think more, you feel more, but that thought is not entirely rational, but more based on images, more akin to daydreaming than to paranoia. Sometimes your mind might wander into your musings and ruminations of what you have done through the day, and your brain doesn't really need to process it all again, hence the lack of dreams. My theory, at least, is that you're trading dreams for entertainment.
Cooper Wright
I never rest during my sleep. Since 13 i have powerfull dreams on the unconcious part and in the subconcious part. The simbolism characteristic of sleep (oniric world) for me is a gift: that's not the problem. Let me put it this way. I have dreams of entities sucking something from my head. I think that's the primer reason of my lack of rest during night. How can i "kick out" those entities who sucks my precious ability to rest during sleep. Also if you can refer to me some book about the "transit" from oniric world to material world.
Jace Hill
The Gautama Buddha had this to say on the subject of intoxicants: "Those who trade in delusion dig up their own root, even in this world."
He wasn't trying to sound like a fortune cookie, he was using a farming metaphor everyone 2500 years ago would have understood. When you weed a garden, you use a hoe to turn the plant upside down, exposing the root to the Sun, so that it withers and dies.
The Gautama Buddha never said, "Don't do this." He's always say, "If you do this, that will be the result." In this case he's saying that those who use intoxicants ("trade in delusion") expose their sensitive roots to harm. Drugs are shamanic tools used to open you to the world, removing filters and barriers. Do this often enough and your delicate inner Self starts to dry up and harden.
Cooper Price
>you'll note I referred to the pink beam in another posting. Yeah, I did notice ;) I finished Valis the other day and it was uncanny to see how much of my own meditations predate me and have thrived in the world without my knowledge.
>This is why the Shadow is the largest challenge In my own particular cosmology I have always deemed the shadow as the monster, but reading this thread I realize that the shadow has had a duplicitous representation in my own mind: the beast and the monster. The beast would be the unconscious, positive primal instincts (anger, hatred, sexual impulses which can ensure survival) and the Monster would be all those underlying principles of which one is more aware simply because the pain they produce lingers far longer (doubt, disbelief, lakc of self-esteem). The beast must slay the monster, and only thus will the shadow be rooted again on the tree.
>communication is actually probably one of the barriers which needs to be overcome eventually What do you think of transhumanism?
I, too, am wary of sharing too much information around here, but would love to talk to you again. What hours are usually active around here? I will wave the jungian flag when I feel the need.
Ryder Hernandez
That's easy. There are all kinds of rituals and rites for protection. Remember that the power is not in the symbol or sigil or ritual itself, but in the auto-suggestion it creates for stiffening the Will.
Which works best for you will depend on which paradigm you are most comfortable using, but protection is the most common kind of ritual, so there are many. The LBRP is a good all-purpose rite. There are folk charms you can try as well, such as sprinkling salt each night on the corner of the room you need protected (and then sweeping it up the next morning). You can also put cold iron (such as an iron nail -- don't use steel) over each window and doorway.
Landon Butler
I think the story-cycle of the Hero is ending, and it's no coincidence that field after field is threatening to unleash a Singularity at the same time. My intuition tells me that the next stage of development is going to involve some kind of machine-mediated thought, and that what emerges out the other side will not be human in any sense we currently recognize.
I only come here when my intuition pings and I feel I'm needed. Sometimes I'll post every day for a week, sometimes I'll go months between visits. I've learned to trust my intuition, so if you need me, just call. One of me will hear.
Jason Nguyen
I've been lucid dreaming since I was 11, years before I ever knew the definition or that it was a thing you can just learn and get better at. Even had a few phases reading dream interpretation books at some point, including Jung. He's an interesting fella.
When I was 16 or 17, I had, twice in one week, a dream about a beautiful, radiant woman, that didn't quite seem like she was just a dream character. She was naked but it wasn't erotic, it was just otherworldly. Both times I just disregarded all of that and raped her for a few seconds before waking up. It's what I did with lucid dreams back in the day. I felt like she wasn't disappointed with me, but I definitely was. Like I was being shown or offered something and all I did was think with my dick. It's been about a decade and I haven't seen anything like her in my dreams since.
Mister mysticist, what in the world did I see? It bothers me every now and then, and now I see you mentioning an Anima.
Kayden Watson
You obviously understand that what you experienced was some manifestation of the Anima. I wouldn't worry too much about a bit of rape; remember that she's *you*. Think of it as forceful masturbation if it bothers you. Remember also that sex is actually the abstraction of the manifestation of the Rebis, and that having sex with your Anima can be a positive step forward.
My own Anima tends to be flirtatious and is constantly trying to trick me into having sex. This is of course both a source and a symbol of a deeper conflict in myself, about my need for intellectualization and unwillingness to give over fully to the Anima and her desires.
Nathaniel Ortiz
so, do it in moderation?
Kevin Cook
In moderation, and with discipline for the purpose of self-exploration, not entertainment.
Brayden Thompson
If you're still here, do you have any resources for developing discipline? I'm intelligent and talented, but have terrible discipline and therefore am stagnant. As years pass me by, it's becoming an ever greater source of anxiety that I'm not fulfilling my potential.
Joshua Collins
I feel that
Justin Taylor
Do you practice stillness? It's an exercise one generally uses before meditation as a kind of palate-cleanser. It's simple to do, but very hard.
Go into a room with no distractions: no window, no television, no clock, no phone, nothing to distract you. Just sit comfortably and allow yourself to be bored. In the beginning you'll find it difficult to manage more than two or three minutes, but if you continue to practice, your tolerance for boredom will go up gradually. I can do eight hours or more of stillness after decades of practice. Zen meditation masters can do 24+ hours. Not meditation, remember. Just straight boredom.
Liam Gomez
This sounds like the job I'm in right now...
Adrian Perry
I haven't tried that, but I know I should. Avoiding boredom is something I am desperate to do usually. It's so much easier these days, with all the distractions.
So you think becoming comfortable with boredom will assist in developing the discipline to do what you know you should, even if it's the last thing you want? I get the relation, but it seems there's something missing.
Caleb Moore
Why do you think the Archons are so desperate to fill your life with distractions? To make you work more hours, play more hours, make more phone calls, buy more stuff, worry about more stuff, and stuff "news" down your throat constantly with no purpose or context. It's the best way to keep you from listening to the still, small voice of the Atman, that tiny internal urging that tells you with absolute certainty where your dharma lies.
I don't really understand the names and phrases you use, and I know you don't want to elaborate, but I get the gist. And agree. It's something I want to be able to do for myself.
So how to tell if that which you seek the discipline to pursue is just another distraction or diversion? If one was to purely give up a life of anything but the spiritual and mystical, we'd all be monks. Is "dharma" like one's "calling"? How can we discover what it is?
Hunter Long
You'll know. That's how you know it's real. The voice when you hear it is unmistakeable. Have you never been faced with what should have been a hard decision and somehow just *known* with absolute certainty what it was you were supposed to do? How you couldn't say *how* you knew, but you just did?
That's the still, small voice of the Atman (or the Godhead or the Holy Spirit, or whatever name your paradigm gives it).
Elijah Fisher
Honestly, I can't remember ever being in a situation like that. Maybe I've just forgotten. But one of the reasons I'm trying to discipline myself is to get out of the lifestyle that had me so comfortable and complacent that such difficult choices and paths are few and far between. What few there are, I have run away from or ignored, or used substances to ease the way. I'm a coward like that.
At least, I believe I Know what needs to be done. And I certainly know what the problems are. All that remains is actually doing something about it. I have to be careful though, since my laziness is telling me that I have another way to procrastinate now. "Just wait til you find your Anima and integrate your Shadow! You can't make any good moves until then!" It's always something. Thanks for your help.
Joshua Thompson
How does it feel to be so full of bullshit?
Xavier Bailey
This motherfucker tripping
John Torres
If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. [James 2:16-18]
Charles Peterson
XRP, Yea Forumsrother. World will use it, I promise. They already are.
Aaron Cox
How does one manifest their Anima? Also is there a way I can establish contact with you so that I may seek advice if I need it?
Kayden Morales
Your unconscious is highly succeptible to suggestion. Just wanting your Anima to manifest is generally enough to do so, although since the form your Anima takes depends initially on your relationship with your mother, if you had a distant or abusive mother it may take some work and some patience to get the Anima to turn a more kindly face to you.
I listen closely to my intuition. If you need me, just call loudly and come to Yea Forums. I'll be here when I'm needed.
Eli Brooks
>your material needs will be fulfilled if you develop the necessary discipline to practice stillness so that you can hear the still, small voice of the Atman Tell that to people starving to death fuckface. I dare you.
Angel White
ok i didnt read it all but if its fate then its fate wake me up, do it in tha fastest there is pull your voodoo shit up idc fate is fate
Yes. I'm generally here until the thread dies, which means I'm usually here for nine or ten hours. It has occasionally been as many as twelve, however.
Benjamin Barnes
Thank you man I'm going to look into lucid dreaming and meditation a bit more and I'll do my best to find a way And I'm also going to read some of the books you listed and hope to see you sooner than I think Until next time Take care man
Asher Long
You mentioned a man's relationship with his mother influencing how the Anima manifests, if she was distant etc. Are there other variations on the Anima's appearance and behaviour, based on different relationships with his mother? Say, what if she was very loving, but provided no guidance? Or some kind of overbearing figure?
Isaac Hughes
[insert random bullshit here]
Logan Morgan
Yes, the Anima has many different aspects she can manifest, as she's one of the most potent and important to us (the other ones being the Animus and the Shadow and the Trickster). Our narrative understanding of the female is patterned on our mother, so the form the Anima initially chooses to manifest will usually be based on our mother, particularly during the genital phase of psychosexual development.
Why the genital phase, do you think? It would seem that earlier phases would be more likely to be impressionable. Is there no Anima in childhood?
William Cruz
I guess I should say that it's my own belief that the Anima is based on patterning during the genital phase, not something Jung developed. My feeling combined with my discussions with the Anima herself is that she is more of a gestalt of a combination of our impressions of our mother, thus being based on a more adult conception of our mother.
Nicholas Scott
Fair enough. Makes sense that it might take the cumulative image of mother/female, as gathered throughout childhood and adolescence.
Jackson Brooks
What's the most comprehensive system for mapping the self that can be found in one book? Did all preliminary work I could so far, but have gotten to the point I could use a clear guide to make some sense of things. Don't feel like skipping around anymore
Colton Wright
Many different paradigms can get you where you want to go, but the best teachers are all internal. There are archetypes whose authority is teaching, and whose wisdom is deep. They are already resident inside you if you can learn to make contact with them.
Leo Wilson
i think he is not interested in me am i not good for you magic man?
What is the best way to break away from being so focused on rationality, order, and intellectualizing everything? I get glimpses of what lies beyond these ways of seeing, but I'm borderline autistic, and my whole body reacts violently away from letting go of the order. I feel like you might say "just listen" or "meditate" or something, but I've done those things, and I still try to rationalize what I encounter. It seems I will get nowhere unless I can let go. Is it just a matter of more/better practice?
Kevin White
Let me restate my question then. Which book contains the most comprehensive symbolism/archetypes? Asking because I intuitively knew what the anima was, but the fact that you mentioned it as anima makes it a workable element for me. So I guess I'm just looking for a good system, which has a bit of direction and a good symbology.
Jace Watson
Thank you for gracing us with your presence Chicken King
Connor Richardson
Alan Watts The Book; On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are is very good...
Evan Nguyen
It may be you have to learn despair first. The Gautama Buddha didn't awaken until he had tried everything else first, then sat under the bodhi tree in complete defeat, knowing he would never achieve the understanding he sought. Paradoxically, want to understand will prevent you from doing so; at that point all you can do to move forward is do it the hard way by grimly working through every possibility until there is nothing left to try.
I can only tell you what worked for me, which was Jung's model. If you're looking for a recommendation, try Man and his Symbols and then the Red Book.
Luis Mitchell
for one to become a king once one must be a man im still just a chicken if you grill me im food
The shitposters have moved in, so this is the Jungian mystic signing off. And remember, as Carl Jung said, "Show me a sane man and I'll cure him for you."
And what do you do for sustenance? What do you do in the meantime? I understand that you can tolerate that special kind of boredom, but what takes up most of your time on a normal day?
Unity Bless, brother
Leo Wood
OP is a shitposter, so the shitposters have been here all along.
Connor Thompson
Thanks for the suggestions, will do. Man and his symbols seem like a good book for me rn.
One of the reviews stated it skips 'the dark night of the soul', something I like very much to know about, so I'm going to skip on that one.
Jaxon Russell
Subjective at most
St John of the Cross it is...
Anthony Ward
ok. theres this old hag from my bfs work ( some needy guys would say shes a MILF) we dont go a single day without him mentioning her name. Mostly saying that shes a whore and why does she dresses like this and that to go work... the other day she offered him chocolate, told him he should apply for some modeling related job (hes a really cute swedish man) my bf is 20 and the woman is 35. idk a lot about cheating signs and stuff, but dont you think theres something there since hes always mentioning her?
inb4 tits or gtfo im not a whore or whatever im just in tears cause i think my bf is cheating on me with an old woman
Dylan Fisher
You will never ever find the truth you seek. You are too base a creature. Too vile of filth.
Evan Thomas
I've been perceiving entities all around me lately. How do I communicate better with them? How do I understand their intentions? How do I better understand their true nature?
Jaxon Martinez
Well, yea, but so am I, so it all works out.
Thanks, will def read up on him
Angel Parker
Go see a doctor and tell them you are perceiving entities. They will give you the help you need or refer you to someone who can.
She's probably good for conversation and mature enough to not be a retarded little girl. If she's attractive too, you might have to worry.
And grow up, this thread had nothing to do with your kind of drama.
Gavin Sullivan
It's an intuitive recognition of consciousness outside my own. Either you're not actually the mystic you claim to be, have become psychically distorted due to your long hours answering questions, or more likely, you are not the original OP, and are in fact, a fraud.
Otherwise you'd recognize a true soul fully cognizant and aware to the mystic realities and synchronicities of the cosmos.
Jackson Rogers
I never claimed to be OP. Mysticism is bullshit and intuition is frequently wrong.
Angel Sanchez
Context clues, son. Do you think OP would have said that? Especially after he left already?
Aaron Cruz
Literal clues dumbass. I recognized that and it's why I said what I said.
Haha, when a man who revolutionized our understanding of the cosmos arrived at his conclusions, by his own words, through the powers of intuition (another one is testa. You enjoying the electricity powering your internet connected device right now? Thank Tesla) than I think it's probably a good idea to listen.
But you're clearly a stupid person saying stupid things so there ya go
>grueling amounts of mathematical proofs and experimental observation is intuition There is a reason why we have to check intuition against reason and evidence to see if it's true but not vice-versa. >another one is tesla Tesla was also a loon who was obsessed with pigeons and a transmitter that would never work.
Joseph Lewis
You can quote Einstein all you want, but it changes nothing. Mysticism is still bullshit and intuition is frequently wrong.
Elijah Barnes
i showed this to my grandma and she had a heart attack
Those aspects of his personality have been played up. You're only receiving the power in your house right now thanks to tesla.
I'm not denying the importance of rationalization and experimental deduction. I'm only emphasizing and stressing the importance of intuition.
Look up ramanaujan. A groundbreaking mathematical prodigy who had no idea where his answers came from and claimed a goddess delivered them to him in dreams
Maybe YOUR intuition is wrong because it's been warped and poorly developed. But you're clearly a fundamentalist in the cult of materialism so I'm wasting my time with you
Bentley Collins
>Those aspects of his personality have been played up Have they though? >You're only receiving the power in your house right now thanks to tesla. Tesla didn't invent electricity user. He had a profound impact on power transmission for sure, but to say that we wouldn't have it today without him is quite the claim. >I'm only emphasizing and stressing the importance of intuition. I'm not saying it's unimportant, I'm saying it's frequently wrong and that mysticism is bullshit. >A groundbreaking mathematical prodigy who had no idea where his answers came from and claimed a goddess delivered them to him in dreams Doesn't make it true though now does it?
Isaac Long
Are you claiming your intuition is never wrong?
Juan Flores
what do you mean by jungian mystic. is the name referred to c.g. jung? your explanations sound similar to alchemistic ideas or gurdjieff`s work upon oneself, in wich the main goal is to create a constant "i" i'm actually on this path myself
Jaxson Moore
Not at all.
I honestly feel sorry for you guys. You've grown up in thins materialist society same as me but can't even realize how your views are as dogmatic and fundamentalist as a christian who believes the world is 6000 years old
Benjamin Hughes
I never said tesla invented electricity.
You're mistaking intuition for instinct.
And I never said ramanujans goddess was literally factual. It seems to me to be more of a manifestation of his intuition writ into form that would be comprehensible to himself
Henry Thomas
There's this thing called evidence which shows that the world is far older than 6000 years old. Similarly, we have evidence that intuition is frequently wrong.
Dominic Garcia
> It seems to me to be more of a manifestation of his intuition writ into form that would be comprehensible to himself i.e. bullshit
Caleb Gutierrez
And yes they have played up those aspects of tesla life. I'd recommend reading an actual biography about him.
William Sanchez
Which experiments? Where's your proof oh zealot of deduction.
Because I have several I can counter you with
Jose Ward
Look him up. Do some research. That was just my personal interpretation. The point is he arrived at groundbreaking mathematical theories through INTUITION
Ryder Powell
Your criteria for what constitutes evidence depend on a priori conceptions about the world.
How do I test to what extent I have acquired mastery over myself?
Joseph Williams
The issue of intuition.... lol i was pretty derogatory towards the 6000yr old earth theory, you're not even capable of accurately reading my posts hahaha
Lucas Torres
I think the approach is unified. You have to have an idea before you can test it, no?
Carter Thompson
Archons. Who are they? Is this an Scp refererence?
Nolan Harris
>you're not even capable of accurately reading my posts Your post asking for experiments did not clarify which. That's a failure on your part. >the issue of intuition Did you not already agree with me that your intuition is not always correct here? Is what you are looking for a study showing examples of intuition being wrong?
Thomas Wilson
can you please elaborate on the manifestation of the anima.
Like, how yo do it and what help can it bring to free the mind of others
Ayden Baker
You sir, are ineffably boring
Jaxson Baker
They are not equally weighted however. If person A has an idea that is untested intuition and person B has an idea that has been verified through testing, whose idea should we take more seriously?
Jose Miller
And you are putting up a very weak defense of mysticism.
Brandon Murphy
Not defending mysticism you twat just intuition get with the program lol
Blake Rogers
Where can I attain knowledge that you posses? Where should I start, what to read, do ? Give me 101.
Jaxson Carter
If neither had any ideas there would be nothing to test...
You're so focused on deductive reasoning you forget about INDUCTIVE reasoning which is the flip side of the coin. Darwin knew there was something going on with Galapagos. It was a spark of recognition, a feeling of intuition. And from there he deduced natural selection.
You're a reductionist. Can't see the forest for the trees
Of course it can be wrong!! But that doesn't mean it can't have vital, world changing value. Omg how can you be this dense???
Your arguing that intuition is bullshit and that's simply not the case. It's a far deeper, more complex attribute to consciousness. It has VALUE
Jackson Gray
>If neither had any ideas there would be nothing to test... Not an answer. If a thousand people have the same intuition but one person can repeated show their intuition is false, who is right? > you forget about INDUCTIVE reasoning which is the flip side of the coin I haven't forgotten about inductive reasoning at all. You do realize that inductive reasoning and intuition are not equivalent, right?
Lincoln Jenkins
I never said that intuition was bullshit. What have said, repeatedly, is that intuition is frequently wrong and that mysticism is bullshit. You seem to have problems communicating.
Ryder Wood
Yeah, that'll work, "Baal".
Jaxon Ward
Fuck youre annoying and pretentious
Hunter Rogers
I'm struggling with depression but i don't think that's what you're asking for
Brody Foster
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I've been reading Julius Evola's books on hermeticism lately and he specifically mentions that the Jungian interpretation of metaphysics is a crock of shit. I'm too new to all this to decide who I should listen to.
