Is the imminent death of the Earth by irreversible climate conditions being seriously considered and talked about by...

Please do not place some ecological ideal over the well being and human rights of poor people in the third world.

Please recognize that westerners and their consumptive lifestyles are the major cause of carbon emissions.

A lot of people are hysterical about climate change. It seems being alarmist is a great way to get an audience (see Paul Ehrlich and his book "the population bomb"). There is a kind of neo-apocalypticism in a lot of environmentalist circles.

If it's irreversible why does anyone have to give a fuck? God damn

foreign aid is not a human right

A cure for nihilism? This is why the future has to be "feminine". An irrational lust for life must grip us or all is lost.

Encouraging. Do you have a video or article link (or book)?

I want us to go into space, but colonizing Mars isn't the answer.

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And theyre likely the most likely solvers of the issue as well. Having an unnecessary population boom in these places isnt desireable in the slightest especially if they have to make way to the west anyway which arent exactly the largest places in the first place.

Why do people believe space is a more habitable environment than the Earth? Think for 2 seconds about the difficulties of living in space compared to some sort of "rather hot" Earth.

God stop being such a moron. Global pop increase rates already peaked. Nominal population is projected to reach its highest level ca. 2050 (9 to 11 billion) and then fall off thereafter.

We can easily sustain such a population if (American) people are willing to stop building hundreds of billions of dollars worth of nuclear weapons, air conditioning their homes to 58 degrees in July, and buying plastic bullshit on amazon.com.

I mean we can stop carbon production tomorrow, the earth will still eventually just get to hot naturally like it has in the past. Space colonisation is likely inevitable just not anytime soon

Look up Climeworks and Carbon Engineering; they're the two companies whose carbon removal technologies are the most advanced and have been proven to scale commercially.

Carbon Engineering just received a lot of money from some fossil fuel companies, who probably see their tech as a new lease on life for oil and coal. I'm not personally bothered by this. We're still going to shut the fossil fuel companies down in the long run; in the short term, I'm happy to see their money do some good for a change.

Well, I mean, regardless of how the Earth heats and cools, eventually the Sun will turn into a red giant and destroy the Earth, so yes, it's either leave the planet or die with it at some point.

you still have to worry about the oceans though. Overfishing, acidification, ocean heating, Coral Reef death, deep penetrative pollution (plastic fibers inside the bodies of animals living in the Mariana trench) etc etc. the massive catastrophe of the ocean systems failing is inevitable at this point, even if global warming were to halt today.

>their money
They're thieves.

Have you read Lure of the Void yet?

"Once gravity is perceived as the natural archetype of imprisonment, keeping you somewhere, whether
you want to be there or not, the terrestrial-economic motivations for off-planet expansion are revealed...

In the final
analysis, the value of anything whatsoever is degraded in direct proportion to the gravitational
influences brought to bear upon it, and descent from the heavens is a fall."

themigrationperiod.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/nicklandlureofvoid.pdf

sky AND sea will swallow us

sounds very fanciful and high-minded, but philosophically I lean more towards the idea that people are animals who like to eat, fuck, and be generally comfortable
that said, I will give this a read

The Arctic will never be fully frozen again in our lifetimes, oceans are acidifying much more rapidly than projected, species are dying out... I've just been betting with the lads which horseman will win the apocalypsebowl for the last ten years or so. Strong arguments have been made for Famine, but I'm still rooting for Plague. It seems sensible to make peace with the next mass extinction event; I don't have the power or money to do anything to stop it.

We possibly can, but we should share the burden with much of the east. Hard to say if they'll play ball though IF it comes to that

Zero evidence of man made climate change exists. The measurements are falsified using knowingly scientifically inaccurate methods. Cow industry is the biggest producer of emissions

I honestly couldn't even care less if it's actually man made or not, Fossil fuels cause a retarded amount of pollution regardless. I'm not one of those green tech evangelicals though that thinks green is squeeky clean either.

I suggest every Eskimo buy beach front property – Alaska is going to be the next Florida! Christmas barbeques, colonizing the interior. What's the downside again???

m.youtube.com/watch?v=b8hnAB43O4g

The environmentalist propaganda machine is trying to halter progression, nothing else. The doomsday image they've created is beyond ridiculous

>New York will be underwater by 2000 if you don't use fluorescent bulbs!!!
>New York will be underwater by 2010 if you don't recycle!!!
>New York will be underwater by 2020 if you don't eat insect paste!!!
>???
I'm not a "drill the national parks" boomer by any means but the alarmism with which climate change is presented has always left a bad taste in my mouth, especially since it's so based on speculation that rarely seems to add up. Then you're branded a "science denier" if you even want further information before joining the doomsday mob.

This focus on global-scale climate change always seemed a bit weird to me.
It all feeds into this kind of progressivist ideology, ie. the belief that we can cure our past problems simply by moving forward.
Where I live, elections are coming up, and suddenly everyone is super interested in climate, albeit only in the easiest "solutions", (meat-free mondays, carbon taxes, etc).

As this user said, society has been worried about climate change for way longer than most people think. It goes back to the 70's at least.
The interesting part is how the subject seems to fall in and out of fashion, despite it's apparent apocalyptic size.
Likewise, which solution is fashionable, is also subject to change. As the hysteria has grown over the last couple of years, the focus has shifted from a personal responsibility, to a global, statist responsibility.
This of course fits nicely into the globalist, progressivist agenda, but is it useful? We have to realise that mankind have always been changing the environment around them, mostly for the worse. This does not make the modern-day climate catastrophe any less real, it just means, that it's the newest part of a long series of man-made climate catastrophes.
Europe, (and particularly my country, Denmark), might be the best example of a climate catastrophe. Very few old-growth forests remain, and the ones that do are still target for lumbering activities. In most countries, much of the larger fauna has become extinct. Denmark almost solely consists of fields and citys, the few forests all man-made.

Okay, so Europe is in a shit-state in terms of nature/climate.
But then why is our attention always diverted as far away as possible? When we think of climate change, we think of rainforests in far-away places, (at least if you're coming from an euro-centric perspective like me), and problems so big, that they're hard to grasp, let alone change.
The problem is in our ideology.
Our stance towards nature is conservative, and in the case of nature, conservatism will always be a losing position. A romanticisation of our past, has led us to believe that climate change is only a problem of the 20th and 21st century.
Our ideology must be revolutionary! If nature is lagging behind human development, we must bring nature up to speed!
What we need most of all, is to ask big philosophical questions about our relation to nature and the nature of nature itself. Our understanding of nature has been dumbed down, due to its usage as a ploy in petty political games.

It's a complete scam devised to rob consumers of even more agency and expand the markets by creating environmental industries/production/management.

yeah, I heard that by the early 2000s the shorelines will have disappeared
we really need to get on that

Reminder that "climate change" is a meme started by Numerological anxiety about the year 2000. The more predictions circled and converged around 2000, as it approached, the more popular and "scientific" it got, and the more 2000 wanes, the more it dissolves in fringe delirium.

Shut up liberal.
>When you get your science news from Waterworld

Don't reply to me man

>nuclear weapons
>hundreds of billions of dollars
>significant environmental impact
English majors shouldn't be allowed to talk about the real world.

Ill spend the apocalypse on my sailboat stacked with food, venturing through the oceans. Ill die 50+ years later of radioactive fish poisoning or ill get killed by somalian pirates

>Africa perish first
>massive improvement of the global economy
>things are somehow looking up despite having 10 years left to live on a deserted earth
>somehow earthlings manage to fix climate issues in the remaining time
>We are able to shift to the Best Timeline™ as Thule rises from the sea and the New Jerusalem descends upon Earth
>no more jannies

>the imminent death of the Earth by irreversible climate conditions
It's called Favela. It spreads with low IQ people, and IQ spreads with genes.

>Ever-increasing, cancer-like growth in a world with limited resources is progression
Everyone in this thread seems to think we can keep living like this indefinitely

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It will regulate itself when time comes nibba, it doesnt have to take a cataclysm either, it can be a progression through time.

>Is the imminent death of the Earth by irreversible climate conditions being seriously considered and talked about by anyone important at all?
No Because It's fake news

On what purpose? More taxes?

>It will regulate itself when time comes
This point of view is as miraculous as the environmentalist view you criticize is apocalyptic. What makes you think it will "just werk"?
Every day there's more people, more economic growth and more resources consumed, while less resources are left in the earth. If by "regulate itself" you mean nature corrects and most of the human race and many other species will die during this century, then sure.
The planet itself will not be destroyed or any bullshit like that of course, at least as long as we don't use all our nuclear arsenal because lol fuck everything.

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And that's only about the finite nature of resources, that's not to talk about all the problems of pollution like says.

>calls me a liberal
Highly ironic, considering the climate industrial complex is pretty much peak neolib.

They want to destroy hard-working oil executives and the honest banks that finance them.

Immigration should be taking the backseat in the west if we want to truly reduce our carbon output, currently the only way to function in the west requires carbon output which the immigrants will have to inevitably contribute to if they are to actually function there, especially if the projectiom is fucking billions of people coming here

>tfw you get to ride out the peak without any of the decline

>We're still going to shut the fossil fuel companies down in the long run; in the short term, I'm happy to see their money do some good for a change.
>Actually believing " the markets will fix everything"

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Well the decline won't take long to come. It's not just the ecology, everything is getting more unstable.
Politically we're in the strangest timeline, socially there's tensions and insatisfaction all around, economically things are getting worse and advances in automation and AI will fuck everything up, etc.

At least we get memes tho

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>Aren't we all gonna die of heat in 30 years or something?
No. The increase will be very slow, same as so far. We also have ~80 C of safety margin before whole Earth is too hot to be inhabitable.
Sucks for darkies (what else new), good for Ruskies because potentially then get a lot of usable land if it gets warm enough.

Most places only a very small amount of land can get submerged, and sea level change will go waaaay slower than climate change.

Yeah i meant that poverty has to have a limit based on resources available per individual to survive. And that limit is death, not enforced but as an invisible hand.
The thing is technological advancement pushing that limit further down rather than mantaining a healthy balance somewhere in the middle.
I agree completely with the pollution problem. In that case the correction can be severe and ocurr on the short term.

That's a very respectable bulge he's hiding under the skirt.

and where would we go and how the fuck would we do it

dumb cunt

Climate change is just the current meme apocalypse. Nothing will happen like the last 3000 years.

Can I read anything to get more comfortable with the fact that humanity is going to be dust soon?

Hell we probably could sustain it at current food production if distributed evenly and there's a lot of unused land and a lot of the used land is used ineffectively.

>hurrdurr what is the industrial revolution

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good triple

It won't thaw in our grandkid's lifetime either and if it did there'll still be plenty of land left.

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The masses are led, myself included. A cure comes from the top down. The powers that be aren’t so incompetent, if they do nothing it’s because they want nothing to be done. Sit, wait, and pray.

In cars yeah, in modern coal plants 99,99% of ashes and similar percentage of poisonous combustion byproducts gets filtered. They emit almost only CO2 and that is NOT dangerous to breathe (unless it's pure CO2, that's never gonna happen though).

Is this a joke post?

What’s the joke

>The powers that be aren’t so incompetent
>They will save me

If it's the Apocalypse fearmongers preach about it would be inconvenient for them too.
;^)

They aren’t and when did I say they would save me? Try rereading my post. It is kinda hilarious how STEM-lovers want to stop this by seemingly going door to door, just like you’d hope to fix your brain atom by atom.

I mean who the fuck else do I rely on? Im not a scientist or anything like that.

Inconsequential memes like food scarcity or temperature increase that will not destroy humanity, at most they will kill some niggers and other poor fucks, how is the rare metals, etc. situation looking?
Will we run out of anything essential for modern tech within next millennium?

You said that you rely on them to solve the problem. Even if western governments somehow used full force to stop pollution and enforce limits on consumption, that still wouldn't stop countries like China and India from fucking everything up.

You rely on yourself, not to fix the problem which has no solution, but to adapt to it so at least you and your family survive

Oil is the key thing here

Fucking /pol/tards. First you deny the existence of it then you think it will impact only niggers. I start to agree with you that the undermensh should be exterminated but I can tell you unfortunately that the undermensh aren't the "juice".

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We use plastics for a lot but are they essential? Couldn't we make do with other materials if we were forced to? Also even when oil gets too expensive to run IECs there should still be a lot of it, if it's essential in something you could still use it, just at a higher cost. Vast majority of oil nowadays is used by IECs, right? And that use can be easily substituted.
Not only is Africa already hot, a lot of people barely afford food. If prices increase enough there could be a famine. However, there're vast reaches of Asia that could be arable if it gets hot enough. We could see price hikes, but projected changes are slow enough agriculture will adapt, move to other places and at most we see price hikes, still even with 5 times more expensive food most people in developed countries will be able to afford enough to survive. This has nothing to do with my racism, just simple reality that people who already barely survive will find it harder to adjust to price hikes. Why do you have to use that shitty boogeyman non-argument pal? I thought you were better than this.

>Cotton Spandex Jersey Tank Thong
now that's a mouthfull

Because it isn't just "yo famine will kill da blakz and raise price n' shit". Ecology all over the world will be impacted with lots of species dying, large portions of places like Spain won't be liveable which will cause massive refugee crisis on which you won't be able to blame brownies, problems with lack of water which may create conflicts in many places around the world, etc. I don't know how can I take someone seriously if he has the brain capacity of a five year old. But yeah, just brownies will die and food prices will rise up. You really deserve the Nobel prize.

Plastic is a big part but oil is used for everything in our system

Ok but is there so little we won't be able to use it or will it just keep getting more expensive, we stop burning it, but there will be enough reserves for a long time, it just gets pricey to make electric insulation or plastic bags?

Temperature would have to increase by 10-20C to make Spain barely habitable with massive emigration. Rapefugees in EU or USA could be a problem though, you raise a good point. I keep forgetting some countries can't protect their borders.

I had some articles but I can't find them, sorry. If I remember correctly it takes 1 barrel of oil to get 2 out nowadays, and this number has been consistently declining. It's not that oil runs out but that it gets to a level where you lose money to get it out. Sure, you can develop new techniques that are more efficient and that has happened a lot, but there's also a limit to that.
The production has also been declining/stagnating for years now I believe. Now you've gotta keep in mind, like I said, that world population keeps growing, so demand does as well.

This is a good podcast on it if you're interested, hardly academic but it's informative youtube.com/watch?v=NjwWyTYO87E

What allowed us to better the world.

This makes me more hopeful, if it's just energy hog we could use nuclear power. I just keep wondering if humanity will get destroyed by lack of resources in the foreseeable future. Wars and famines are one thing, civilization falling is scary as fuck.

The public needs to get over its fear of nuclear fast, shit is retarded efficent even with just fission

Good luck advocating to China with your will-o'-the-wisp whimsical ideas
The chance of reversal was long gone You're fighting for a lost cause

>civilization falling is scary as fuck.
It's more hopeful than wars and famines in a way, and the fall is long overdue at this point anyway. Society is ridiculously complex now.

This Epistemological nightmare of shuffling random dates back and forth might help people see the Truth.

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How so?

>he fell for the peak oil meme
Let's ignore the Markov bullshit engine of your y-metric-less graph for a moment. It's bad to assume that the resources we currently have access to are the sum of all resources we will ever have access to, or are even resources we will continue to use in the future.

>He fell for the going to space and mining asteroids meme

Or go deeper or go to different places we don't know yet or just keep shitposting on 4chins as if you knew anything. The choice is yours, friendo.

>go deeper
This is the entire crux of the problem, are you kidding? See >go to different places we don't know yet
What are these magic places? Underwater? Space like I said?
I don't know where that miraculous mindset of "lol don't worry we'll figure it out" comes from, but of course it's others who don't know anything.

Mods are faggots as usual, at least move it to /sci/ or whatever.

>plastic fibers inside the bodies of animals living in the Mariana trench

Why do people make out like its hard to get there? Like its some remote location that people dont drive thousands of boats over every day. Its literally a giant hole in the bottom of the ocean, not exactly easy to miss....

I'm not saying plastic in the ocean is bad but just because its in a trench doesnt make it specifically worse. Oceans cycle...its natural stuff will be pushed down there.

By eating plantbased you cut your emissions by 95%. If the world went vegan we would hit our greenhouse goals by 2022. Cows are the true culprit.

youtu.be/S-bQtRXo7-8
Watch this for further information.

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We don't know the location of every ounce resource on Earth, you based retard. As to going deeper we can get a fuckton of energy from nuclear power.
We just need to last long enough for asteroid mining, or some other meme. Maybe even the civilization falls, but as long as mankind isn't hopeless I won't care too much what happens in a few millennia.

>Cow industry is the biggest producer of emissions
>Zero evidence of man made climate change exists.

?????

Are massive emissions from cows NOT humans somehow?

The thing is its us looking around right now that get to say "its not so bad"

Why do you ignore the rest of the thread? Oil is not the one and only thing we're discussing, albeit it's arguably the most important sure. And it's not only used for energy, it's an integral part in many other processes and products.
Not to mention the process of switching from oil to nuclear when it comes to energy production will, if it happens, be rushed and untidy, because for the most part it won't be proactive but rather as a reaction to oil imminently running out, so it will be another great source of social tension.
We're way past the point where asteroid mining was a feasible objective.

What does it have to do with the fact that your dumb ass implied that there are no untapped resources in easy to reach places? Sure we may never find them and they may be insignificant but you are posting bullshit and that's a fact.

>He fell for the going to space and mining asteroids meme

just using the same meme against him but shittier?

I've never heard anyone say "lets mine asteroids to replace fossil fuels" ever

>switching from oil to nuclear
Nuclear has existed for 60 years? In that time we've had 2 major meltdowns and almost 30 "minor" fuckups.

As much as I dislike oil. Nuclear is a far more volatile solution for energy. At least its rare enough for oil refineries to irradiate the whole planet....

Why cant we just shoot for solar/better batteries? Nuclear power for how efficient it is also has the highest risk of any form of energy.

Here are a few things I know.
>Photosynthesis stops at 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40C)
>Human organs also shut down at 104 degrees (40C)
>Carbon absorption peaked for vegetation in 2006 and has since declined, possibly becoming a detriment.
>Geoengineering / Global Weather Modification has been rampant since the 1970's.
>We would likely be without an arctic ice pack during the summer if it weren't for chemical ice nucleation.
>Phytoplankton supply half of the Earth's oxygen and are dying off due to increasing levels of UVC radiation caused by a depleting atmosphere.
>Electromagnetic pollution is a strong contributor to the collapse of the entire web of life.
>Losing the direct access to food will cull the population.
Much more included..

There should be fruit trees growing everywhere. Oh well though, no use crying over 'spilt milk'. The death of this reality may be a graduation ceremony.

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I never implied that, I just ignored it because it doesn't mean shit. *Maybe* we have *some kind* of resources *somewhere*. Okay? That's all true, but it's so fucking vague I don't see how it solves the lack of oil. Which resources? Of what kind? Where? How many? It's a truism, "the earth has resources we haven't discovered" yeah no shit cap'n.

I was wrong, apparently it's coal and natural gas that contribute more than oil towards electricity production. The latter is closely related to the way we get oil though.

I feel like the writing's always been on the wall. As far back as 7,000 years ago when early neolithic people were mining for bronze, they weren't aware of the damage of constant exposure to it. Turns out this dust could carry long distances on water and through the air. In Greenland they were drilling for ice cores and they can look at the layers of permafrost to determine how long ago an event could have happened based on the composition of that layer. And yeah, they found traces of bronze. They even saw a noticeable spike in the amount found from 2000 years ago. Roman Empire.

Where I'm going with this is that I can't feel the anxiety or nausea over what the latest harrowing studies show, I can't fight it. I feel bad for the generations that'll come after us and the mess they'll have to inherit. We'll die off after another thousand or two thousand years and then the Earth will take a few million years to recover from our damage to it. And then what? What animal/insect/fish group dominates next?

This is a bogus teleology.

Why's that? We're fucked, man. So much of why the Earth "works" is because it counts on fragile environments full of creatures that adapted for those particular envrionments. Even five degrees warmer could have a pretty dramatic effect. The eleven years number might seems iffy to me, but it seems unlikely we'll be able to correct course, even with the amazing shit coming out and being used like those giant ocean noodles suckin up plastic waste, more and more efficient solar panels, and so on.

> imminent death of the Earth by irreversible climate conditions

mfw all climate models speak about runaway green house gas effects for 30 years, predictions all completely fail
mfw water is the strongest green house gas and simultaneously the strongest albedo contributor.
mfw op can stand out side (I know fat chance) and feel the energy beaming at us from the sun in most places in the temperate earth.
mfw op still thinks that human have any serious impact on climate.

It's bogus because you're downplaying the adaptability of fauna, specifically humans. Mammals have persisted through every mass-extinction event they have encountered, and humans have the added advantage of being able to adapt by means other than natural selection.

We compete with fauna for resources though, and if things get desperate I don't think the fauna would do as well as they have in past extinctions. Plus there would still be millions of human deaths.

So mamy mfws but no mfw poc related
Also you're very wrong and every scientist on the planet disagrees with you.

I have no face for op so stupid
not wrong
and no they don't all agree.

Too many people. The people having the most kids are the ones least able to raise them. They rely on aid and keep on shitting kids out.

Then the fuckers get to Europe and keep on shitting out kids. Difference is the fuckers survive here. They get to reproductive age (not age of consent, that doesn't matter to them) and shit out kids. Like bacteria. Like bacteria, left unchecked they will destroy the host.

Stop all aid. Let the Africans die. It's kinder.