Explain to me why Universal Free Healthcare is bad when the rest of the world does it and has lower taxes then the...

>Universal Free Healthcare

why do you want free healthcare for the whole universe, your country cant even pay for it's citizen's ones, lmfao

It's way past that

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>NURSING HOME care
Skilled nursing facilities, retard. Not homecare.

it costs almost 100 dollars just to see your physician?

insurance pays most if not all of it

>nursing home care
>hamplanet to fat to leave house needs someone to buy stuff and wash her with a rug

its bad for people who dont get sick

you dont pay universal healthcare via taxes, its a mandatory monthly payment. 2-3k per year is quite a sum for students with no income, and they're also the least likely to actually profit from the services. its quite a bad system - but still 100x times better than privatized healthcare, unfortunately, because that just spirals prices out of control

Explain to me how specifically "universal health coverage" controls costs?

That was the exact argument for obamacare and it did anything but contain costs. Increasing access doesn't lower costs, but raises them. Making healthcare 'free" would explode costs into the stratosphere.

You need to die. I prefer insurance over govt. anyday. I have a choice to use insurance (supposedly), no such luck with govt. bureaucracy.

It depends on where you go. In my area, rates for PCP can range from $50-$150 and that's within a mile of each other. Quality varies tremendously, price has little effect on quality believe it or not.

I've found I can get lower rates if I do cash pay.

Explain how govt. healthcare is better than private care. Give me 5 line items.

Then, explain HOW it's better and why private care can't compete.

>You need to die. I prefer insurance over govt. anyday. I have a choice to use insurance (supposedly), no such luck with govt. bureaucracy.
>implying I want government health care

Insurance is literally one of the biggest scams ever conceived. They literally gamble with your life and money and artificially drive up the costs of health cate and medication to line there own pockets. I had patients paying $20 for less than 50 cents of medication (warfarin) every single month. Privatised, competitive, 3rd party health care is the way to go.

People should not have to pay to see a doctor. Your basic health should not have a price tag on it. This is why the american life expectancy is dropping

>with your life and money and artificially drive up the costs of health cate and medication to line there own pockets. I had patients paying $20 for less than 50 cents of medication (warfarin) every single month. Privatised, competitive, 3rd party health care

How are any of those issues the insurance companies fault? Yeah I believe the way we utilize health insurance is completely wrong and backwards but I wouldn't get rid of it in lieu of govt. run insurance.

>People shouldn't have to pay to see a doctor

and I think people shouldn't have to pay for food, shelter, car, clothes, etc. Everything should be free.

congratulations, you are the strawman

Cause the United States federal government is shit and inefficient and the thought of them making my health decisions scares the shit out of me. Again because I’ve read a book or two on the deceptions and inefficiency of our government. B8/10 made me reply

There is a difference between luxuries and basic healthcare

But universal healthcare means you make the decisions not the government or an insurance company

>hamplanets are only a problem in 'merica tho.
So you do have a point

Food, shelter, clothes are luxuries but healthcare is a necessity?

Quite the opposite really.

Only an american would consider health care not a necessity

What the fuck are you talking about? This has to be trolling.

>I thought printing money meant everybody would be rich

How do you think insurance works? Insurance is setting the cost of care and medication, not the producers or consumers. The pills are being over sold to subsidize loses in othe parts of the insurance company.
>Gov health care
Nigger what did I JUST say. Kill the insurance company, dont let the government run any of it. Enjoy your cheap, whole sale health care.

Way to miss the point. how is 'healthcare' a necessity but food, shelter, clothes aren't? Why aren't all these things 'free'?

i wont give you "5 line items" because I dont know what the fuck thats supposed to mean
the reason that privatized healthcare (or public transportation, or police and firefighters) is not a good idea is because you do not WANT this issue to be profitable, that would literally be the worst situation
hospitals can't raise extraordinary bills, because they have no incentive to do so, because there no corporate manager at the top demanding more and more and MOAR profits, it is always a non-profit institution, paid and managed by the state

You’re so naive if you think that’s how the government will shape it and enforce it as lol.

Found the butt hurt forigner

When your health care is free you get to pick where you go to see a doctor. The government just pays for it. you decide everything not the government. trust me I lived with free healthcare for years the government doesnt do shit they just pay for it

Insurance doesn't set prices, healthcare providers and pharmaceutical companies set those prices. Insurance companies try their best to fight price increases but consumer such as yourself force them to capitulate every time. Insurance companies want to pay as little as possible to keep rates down. People like you scream your head off when an insurance company denies coverage because they don't feel it's effective and it's expensive. So they capitulate so they don't get in trouble with regulators and get bad press, costs are passed onto the consumers.

food, shelter and clothing are provided free. You clearly have never had to use those services though.

Well thats how every other country with free healthcare works

Why does that matter? That literally has absolutely nothing to do with it, this is where the intense holes start in the argument to have universal healthcare in this country is. If you want universal healthcare that means you fully trust the government not to fuck us hard with it. Which you’re fuckin stupid if you think they won’t

You think non-profit institutions are always the most efficient and well run? Also, what makes you think the govt. sufficiently controls costs? Look at every single thing our govt. puts its fingers in, they increase in cost faster than rate of inflation.

Military Industrial complex
Healthcare
Education
Housing

Those countries that spend less than we do as a percent of GDP do it via rationing care. People like to think if we implemented medicare for all, it would be medicare today but to everybody. Instead, it would turn medicare into an abomination because medicare is already going to be insolvent within a decade, it would just hasten its demise.

I live in Canada and I can tell you free health care is the greatest shit in the world. Every once and a while a politician tried to say he will introduce private healthcare like the states and it's political suicide people literally get out the pitch forks

I think people in america are just so use to the system they have they are scared of changing and thing free health care is bad but trust me once you got it you fight your ass off to keep that shit

It doesn't work that way. Also, how is that ANY DIFFERENT from the current system in the USA?

Nothing is free, you just have a massive hard-on for "free care" because you're an unproductive parasite who wants to sponge off those who are actually productive. You love the idea of 'govt care' because you want to use the govt. as a form of wealth redistribution. Has nothing to do with quality or access of care. You just want free shit at others expense.

They are? So what you're really saying is, because there are a handful of instances where people DO get such things for free, we should universalize it and apply it to everything?

You clearly don't understand how universal healthcare works. The doctors are paid by the government not the patient. Thats it. you get to choose where you get medical treatment. the government can't fuck anyone over. And the cost they pay to doctors is negotiated between them and their union

It's only good if you're poor. For everybody else, it's shit.

The country that spends the most money on healthcare (USA) coincidentally is the country with the most healthcare innovation. All you other countries are just sponges.

Dude I pay for everyones garbage to be picked up how is it different.

I didn't say that. What I'm saying is medical care is a basic human need that everyone should be able to access regardless of if they can afford it or not

Yeah sure bro. I could get a lot (like the unit of measurement) of levothyroxine for a few thousand direct from the manufacturer, this same quantity is split apart and repackaged and sold at whatever copay the insurance company dictates as appropriate(usually 5 to 10 x the initial cost).

Ok kid, somebody has never read a book in the history of the United States government. What’s it like trusting the government as much as you do? It’s gotta be really spine ripping

You're the kind of person who thinks you get 'choice' when you walk into the DMV because you can choose which agent you want to help you. They're all the same useless drones.

The pay is shit for govt. doctor employees. There is no fucking way most people in the USA are going to take a paycut in order to work for the government.

We already have a massive shortage of doctors, just would exacerbate it.

Why would it be shit for everyone else? That makes no sense

/thread to an extent, there’s also that. Universal healthcare and government overreach would probably fuck medical innovation in the USA up a lot and cause issues for the rest of the world

and that's why kids with rare diseases choose to stay in their state-sponsored healthcare plans

>wait that's not right

>they come to the US for care that isn't provided anywhere else in the world
>It's hyper expensive but no one is going to Canada or the UK for their ground-breaking medical research

You pay for your garbage to be picked up. If you do not use garbage service, you do not pay for it. That was a horrible example.

Canadian doctors make about $300k to start out of school as a brand new doctor

Making healthcare government-ran means its not run for profit, its run for the people. Suddenly you dont have to pay 1000% more than its actually worth like in the glorious land of the free. How crazy you would have to be to say no to that?

So you're not getting your garbage picked up bro? yikes

This neckbeard just busted himself as a hoarder

They already have county hospitals which suck ass but provide basic care. A lot of poor people get health care in this country as it is.

Healthcare is not a right. It's a service that is provided to you by others. If all the doctors one day said "fuck it" and gave up, there is no way for the govt. to provide this 'right' to you.

Being a doctor in the USA suck ass enough, people like you are only going to make it worse.

I honestly hope our medical system becomes two tiered. People like you will be on the shit bottom tier and people like me will pay up for decent healthcare.

healthcare is a right. Unless you're in some 3rd world country

Healthcare isn’t a right, claiming that is claiming you have a right to someone else’s labor

That just means the insurance company got a shit negotiation. A few years ago I needed blood work done and the lab said if I used insurance, I'd have to pay like $2000. I asked them their cash price and it was $700, so I paid the $700. That insurance company doesn't get that money, they pay what they're charged and pass it onto me...especially because I'm on a high deductible health plan.

I think the US should implement some program where people are checked for how healthy they are, they check their blood for nicotine and shit or drugs and maybe check out your BMI and if it's all fucked you pay out of your ass and if you're generally more healthy you pay less. Not make it free because fuck that, I wouldn't want to pay for all those fat fucks while I'm never ill or have anything. Same goes for dental. You don't go to your check-ups every 6 months? FUCK YOU YOU PAY MOAR

God Bless America. The worlds leading obesity and drug related deaths country in the world who refuses to spend a penny on medical care for it's citizens. You truly are a shining beacon of retardation

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That's specific to Canada. In the UK, it's more like $75-100K at best. I don't know what the hell is going on in canada except perhaps they're trying hard to retain their doctors so they don't leave for the united states.

yes, because the government is great about giving people money back when they deserve it

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>I have a choice to use insurance
As a former insurance agent, hahahahahaha.

Ignoring the healthcare debate for a second, it sounds like you a strong advocate for socialism... no?

I don't know what else to say to you. You're describing exactly what the problem is and somehow dont see ot as a problem.

I'm cool paying an extra $1 a month for free healthcare for everyone. That's what it works out to in Canada. $12 a year. That's cheaper then my netflix account

>What is a garbage dump

Take the garbage myself to the dump when I need to. No need to pay for a monthly garbage service when I have a small footprint.

It is a problem. But govt. takeover isn't the solution. didn't say our system wasn't broken, but having the govt. take over would be this exact same system but with no way of stopping it. At least I can choose to not participate in the current system if I want to.

If it literally was that cheap to do it, it would have already been done. Not sure if you're trolling or this stupid.

>unironically believes increasing healthcare access would fix these issues and not exacerbate them

The opioid crisis was created thanks to obamacare what with all that 'increased access'.

Jesus chris how dense are you! I have stated multiple times that gov run health care isn't the answer you illiterate fuck. You know what? This is stupid, you're stupid and trying to educate you any more is simply a waste of my time.

Maybe

Opioid crisis was created because of gross malpractice and apathy.

>when the rest of the world does it
Bullshit.

I'm responding to multiple people, hard to keep track of who is who.

On your point about eliminating insurance entirely. I don't agree with that. I just think its purpose should be substantially pared back for catastrophic shit.

Perhaps it should be a cash only system where people submit their bills to the insurance companies after it's all said and done. The healthcare provider would have no idea if the patient was paying with cash or insurance. Too much obfuscation in pricing makes for very inefficient markets.

The FDA told doctors oxycontin had low addiction potential in the nineties.

Hard to give a shit when your job is to treat as many patients as possible in a short amount of time as possible. Not to mention the fact that most of the opioid abusers are dumb hicks and are basically disposable people.

Oh wow I sure feel bad for those poor doctors doing their jobs and following their oaths. It must sooooo hard that belligerent malpractice was the only way to fight this new obamacare threat.

Jeee you mean 30 years ago?

If it's so easy, you go be a doctor..

>ib4 student loans scare me away.

Being a doctor sucks, and it sucks more at the entitlement attitude I see in so many people that they have a 'right' to your services. Anybody with this attitude should get fucked.

The AMA keeps too many doctors from graduating in order to keep their salaries up.

I didn't say it was easy you nigger but it is their fucking job. They chose their own profession and they chose to swear the oath. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of malpractice especially not
>but it's sooooooooo haaaaaaard

one of my best friends in college moved to the US because Canada's "wonderful" healthcare system wouldn't pay for his insulin or pump, even when he was a little kid that couldn't give himself a shot to survive.

Luckily his family was well off so they moved here and he got everything he needed to live a normal life.

What CNN or MSNBC doesn't tell you about Canadian healthcare is that lots of people have to get supplemental insurance to make sure they don't die waiting for a test/procedure

even in most of Europe people get supplemental from their employeers

Do you have any idea of the immigration problem we would have if we gave away free healthcare? Right now we only give away free healthcare if your in immediate danger of death. And that alone is expensive as fuck

>free healthcare if your in immediate danger of death.
it's not really free but if you can't pay it back there isn't much they can do about it

mom had to use the healthcare in europe when she lived there in the 70s. She said the govt. hospitals were atrocious and when she learned there were private hospitals, she went there instead. A night and day difference and is the biggest reason she is completely against a govt. takeover of medicine.

In the states, we already have county hospitals. So I don't see why we think a govt. take over is necessary when poor people are already getting healthcare they don't even deserve anyway.

Our demographics more closely match that of mexico than of Sweden. Universal health coverage would just turn ours into that of Mexico or china's. Liberals frequently think that we can maintain our quality of care and just simply expand access. It's already strained enough as it is.

that seems like a good solution

>the government provides GREAT "free" healthcare
>you need extra insurance to make sure the "free" healthcare is actually useful

Health care is free, it's called chilling somewhere warm without eating not moving. And so is food free, you just take the seeds, put them in the ground, then eat the fruits, the fruits contain any medication you need.