Daily reminder: Socialism has never once succeeded in the entire history of mankind. Not one fucking time

Cuba retard

I mean socialist programs work but a fully socialist regime has yet to be fully implemented. It's impossible. Human nature makes a fully socialist system impossible, to begin with. But socialism is a tonic, to be used in targeted quantities to resolve specific issues.

That's her actual boyfriend

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Like niggers not having enough crack?

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Real socialism's never been tried, retard.

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No, proven how disingenuous this nonsense is. Saying pure Socialism has never succeeded alongside a picture of AoC to make it seem like she believes or has ever said that.

How the fuck can you make a cock loving statement like that

"Capitalism is irredeemable "
AOC 3/2019

It did. During the dawn of the industrial revolution Bismarck instituted a temporary form of socialism to keep the peasants from burning down to manufacturing plants

I would agree with that, just like if she said Socialism is irredeemable. Take the best of both and what do you have? Social democracy!

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75% tax rate, forcing a 35 per hour work working maximum, telling you which jobs you can or cannot do. That's a whole hell of a lot worse than "PUBLIC SCHOOLS" you damn nigger.

He's not worthy.

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>the world hasn't ended therefor we're better off for having it

Fucking public schools and infrastructure? Yeah, that's all working out great.

Giving the government more power, laws, and control always leads to great things historically.

"He"

This image is stupid and you should feel bad for posting it.

Clearly private/charter schools are the way to go. You only deserve education if you have money, it just makes sense.

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everything is about niggers now. niggers invented the USA. A communist whore in Congress refuses to share her tiddies

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>Daily reminder: Capitalism has never once succeeded in the entire history of mankind. Not one fucking time.

jesus fucking christ - you're just sad now posting this same shit every day. go to bed boris or you'll miss your short bus in the morning. SAD!

Yet it allows you the luxury to argue on the internet while children around the world starve to death.

You'd rather a free lie than a truth that costs you

> autism

>Implying Russia doesn't support Socialism
Dem gymnastics son

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not even that guy, but what mental gymnastics did you have to pull of to come to the conclusion he was saying Russia doesnt support socialism ?

Public schools lie? Sure they're inadequate in some aspects, but what's the lie? I can pay tens of thousands of dollars for a private Catholic education, would that be more truthful than a secular public education?

I think I know that guy

The best part of these threads is the unironic basement chudlords posting in it. Every time I read pol threads it's a fucking treat.

Prove it.

Personally I'm more than happy to pay more than the required taxes my state demands but I find it ludicrous to demand that ALL hard working individuals surrender their hard earned money for those who cannot or choose not to work hard for themselves.

Are these my 2 choices? I thought we were discussing optimal hypotheticals

Go to Detroit.

Not sure why you would think that, since you essentially said all public schools teach lies and all private schools teach the truth.

Do you own a sword

Man scared shitless much? You guys are really tripping on the next president if the us.

Regulated capitalism with well managed social programs is the best, most well-rounded balance a government can adopt. Then again, that requires minimal immigration, strong control of borders, a manageable tax rate that doesn't run off business owners & investors, and for the U.S. to stop trying to be an imperialist world police force. Trim defense spending to a 10th of what it is, pull our troops out of every overseas theater of operations, give the illegals currently here amnesty as long as they have no criminal record & secure the borders, cut the deficit to the point of surplus & start paying off the principal of the national debt, semi-nationalized healthcare - voila, the United States biggest issues are addressed.

dubs and socialism fails

Every Yea Forums post is the card says moops

youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4

Maybe that's just how you took it.

You don't think charter school preform better than public ones?

Singles and social democracy is the best option for America.

Socialism has never persisted.
However if you take a look at history there was ONE system that did not collapse in on itself and only ceased to exist because multiple foreign powers destroyed it in warfare. A sort of National Socialist Worker's Party.

And frankly that's the thing modern socialists least want people to know. There was an example of a socialist system with high stability and productivity in history...... just not 'their' system.
Why do you think they 'really' hate the fasc so much? It's not a moral issue, they just don't want to have to compete against their best and strongest competitor.

>essentially
Except he "essentially" didn't and you're just shit at reading in context.

Yes, the best charter school is better than the best public school, obviously. The vast majority of Americans can't afford private education though, so funding charter schools and defunding public ones is idiotic.

Ew Ive suddenly got a bad soy taste in my mouth after seeing this pic

Offhand, I can't think of *any* pure socialist countries. So it's a silly challenge.

>youd rather a free lie than a truth that costs you

Public education is the free "lie" and private is the "truth" that costs you. What am I missing?

To be fair, Norway is a special case: they have large deposits of oil that pays for the social programs. That said, the taxation rate and prices are through the roof.

OP is a tard. AOC is hot and smarter than everyone on Yea Forums combined.

Fag tards. All of you.

Schools need to worry about just teaching reading, math, science / technology & American history. Save other courses for university, encourage people to pursue a trade / attend trade school. That would take care of a good chunk of issues in current public education.

>Implying Trumpfags don't love Russia now

Then that would be the direction to pursue with you and yours.

more specifically, creation science. both sides at least...

this is painfully accurate

AOC is a glorified bar tender. Her plummeting approval & looming FEC violation investigations, along with the DCCC pulling funding to her 2020 campaign - will all but guarantee she's a one term wonder. Her & Trump are the two biggest symbols of what is wrong in modern politics. We need a centrist government that strengthens social programs, cuts defense spending,reforms & nationalizes healthcare, cuts deficit spending & starts paying off the national debt.

Stop boot licking the extremes of the two parties, faggot.

someone needs to request a mental hygiene warrant for her.

It's the other way around. Private schools won't be banned, they just won't have priority over and more funding than what 90% of American children rely on for education.

The reason the US doesn't like a socialized medicine model is if the economy is bad then your healthcare will follow that trend.
If we pay our physicians ourselves then our healthcare is insulated from economic turn down.
Examples of economy effecting healthcare include:
Greece
Spain
Ireland

Also we are weary of Government mandating medications and care.
Negative examples of this include the recent measles outbreak though us vaccinated are laughing and pity those less intelligent.

Almost seems like there should be a better way, huh?

Who is telling anybody what jobs they can't do?

Maybe we could work more job if conservatives legalized prostitution and drugs and made them legitimate businesses in America.

You know what really restricts what types of jobs people can and cannot get? Education. Being born poor in Alabama with shitty parents and no free college or social safety nets to help you get comfortable enough to actually learn and work to raise yourself up.
Rich people aren't rich because they work super hard and because they are just super smart. 60% of all wealth in America in Inherited.

That socialist cunt with the fat titties she won't share sure is.

All 4channers are racist cunts.

free rent inside your mind

Yeah the better way is to give rich folk more money!!!

Nobody cares, faggot. Every one has personal biases. As long as people tolerate each other, respect each other's civil liberties & don't be violent cunts to one another, it's none of anyone's business what anyone else thinks about shit.

Yeah! Fuck you snowflakes! Unions have always been a Republican construct

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Just like Democrats were the party of slavery

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every known socialist country has failed/is failing and every country that people think are socialist countries are not. it does not work

All niggers are useless cunts.

>hi public education system

Who let you have a keyboard, you little rascal?

Exactly. Also capitalism made your iPhone.
If you don't like that, you can GIIIT OUT

AoC didn't give you your government issued SocialBoard yet?

The best part about racist people is they are generally the lowest grade of human possible. No education. Raised by scum. Virgins. You're probably poor too.

except all those times socialist market economies succeeded, right?

True

theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/01/patients-dying-greece-public-health-meltdown

'Patients who should live are dying': Greece's public health meltdown

I'm a conservative, mgtow and a nignog, am I not allowed to be considered smart?

All white people should die.

Have sex.

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>socialist market economies
Is that why China became a world power AFTER they embraced capitalism???

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Capitalism breeds innovation and therefore cool shit for us to buy, obviously that's good. Social democracy isn't communism. Those people designing and inventing new technology aren't getting paid the same as the janitors and ditch diggers.

wake up, op.

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Hi Dimtri, long time no see.

Is that Leonard Hofstadter?

You are literally using examples of things that don't fucking exist. The quality of care in all the European countries you mentioned has barely declined, the most noticeable change being a slightly prolonged waiting period for non-urgent care. And keep in mind that pretty much everyone living in the EU can move freely between countries, so citizens needing certain procedures they can't obtain in one country are usually eligible for them in another.

Also, good job using examples to prove your null hypothesis about "government mandated meds and care".

Awh, you have too many threads open to remember the context of your shiposting. No no, hunnybun, i'm on the other side.

Have we proven democracy works? It seems to me every civilization we've ever created winds down and turns into shit.

This. Saved!
AOC isn’t even a socialist. She’s just saying that to shake up Washington, ya moron. None of her policies are even remotely socialist.

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Uh, secularism has more truths and facts to teach than catholicism.

Eh. You're civilized I guess.

Yeah, but democracy has produced our most successful civilizations.

damn that soy face

That's the point.

That doesn't mean we should stop looking for new systems. Pretending democracy and capitalism is the end all and be all of humanity's systems seems asinine, and has seemingly no evidence behind it.

420! SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY

History not your strong suit, son?

What about the nordic model?

DUBS! SOCIALISM WINS!

Surgery waiting times in Spain: 93 days, slightly down from 2017
elpais.com/elpais/2018/11/29/inenglish/1543509744_110649.html

Government is ‘anti-doctor’ and ‘anti-consultant’, says IMO
irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/government-is-anti-doctor-and-anti-consultant-says-imo-1.3841722

And see:
You're a shill or don't know the medical system in the US.

We already have discrepancy between the healthcare systems here.

And I quote:
The median wait time for surgery is a little over four weeks with 82.2% waiting less than 3 months. In the U.S., patients on Medicaid, the low-income government programs, can wait three months or more to see specialists. ... Nationwide across the U.S. the average wait time to see a family doctor was 20 days.

Where as is you pay out of pocket or have private insurance you can have NEXT DAY surgery and DAY OF family doctor.

It's actually pretty enlightening. Although if your bulb is a dud, nothing will ever make it light up.

TRIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPSSS

It's a capitalist society with large social safety nets funded by high taxes.

>69
>Nice

>several times
>you don't really know what socialism is

youtube.com/watch?v=k79wCaFgU40

you were close.

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That's wait time in public hospital for people with no money or insurance. Rich people go to privet hospitals.

You know what the wait time in the USA is for a person with no money or insurance? Here's a hint, it's a lot longer than 90 days.

If you guessed forever, you are correct.

So you want to steal from people.

You sound desperate, MAGAtte.

Lol capitalism doesn't breed shit except for big fat rich fucks to sit on their fat rich asses saving disproportionately to what they spend/invest in. Investments in science, education, and health care. What major innovations has the American private sector produced in the last twenty years (inb4 MUH iPHONE) that isn't basically some small upgrade from a previous year's product? How about the decline in American IPOs on the NYSE?

Norf

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exactly. That's what we need in the USA. Why would you support tax breaks for billionaires?

It's literally still working to this day.

Their stuff is ill gotten gains.

unironically posting a national review article
>boomer detected

I don't care what you call it, socialized ownership of wealth is good.

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But Socialism will save us all?

You're right. Democracy is the best system we have access to right now so we use it. But I see your point. Theres lots of things that aren't perfect in this world. I'd never pretend any power source we have access to is perfect, I'd never claim a car is the best possible way to travel. And I SURE AS FUCK would never claim that the prison system is perfect. (Thats the least functioning system we have.) but everything I named is the best thing we have access to for now

Yeah but only if you're poor and retarded.

I once read a study that suggests rehab and therapy based programs do better than prisons as far as preventing future crime.

Did you forget that whole bit where after you receive your SPECIAL AMERICA #1 PRIVATE INSURANCE SYSTEM care you can go tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt?

Hmmm... wait three months for my non-urgent procedure or get it in one month and struggle under the weight of crippling medical debt for the rest of my life?

How's that private insurance dick taste?

Yeah? Well it fucking will this time, fashie. A woman's never tried it before. WHy don't you try giving her a chance before calling her a failure, you sexist pig.

You can literally look it up....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_inventions_(after_1991)

Jacob Wohl works literally out of his mom's basement. MAGA!

My friend's college thesis was literally all about this. She compared tons of studies across multiple different countries with different prison systems and all the data points to the conclusion that rehabilitative prison programs are waaayyy better at reducing repeat offenses than punitive ones.

>you can go tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt
Whoever does this just publicly demonstrates that they are unintelligent.
There are insurance plans and payment systems for every income level you just have to know the correct one for you.
All hospitals have a payment plan as well.

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Interesting. I'd like to read that.

it's a known fact. the private prison system doesn't want to be replaced and there is lots of money in it so... there you go.

Except for the whole "Give government complete control of industry, and abolish any industries that might have an effect on climate."

The system is DESIGNED to screw people over. There are literally millions of people in the US living with medical debt they thought was covered by their insurance, or because the insurance they had was the best they could afford. Could you honestly BE more of a shill for the private insurance industry? I'd rather wait a couple extra months (if necessary) than need to go on a payment plan for the next decade which could destroy my credit if I miss even one payment, not to mention the phone calls from predatory debt collectors.

America produces way more oil than Norway

Nikola tesla died in debt. You can be an amazing inventor/scientist and never make enough money to continue on unless you go out and shake your money makers for funding.

Lets visit another example. Space travel. Communism made it into space first. Democracy second, and further. Capitalism didn't make it into space until space X became a thing (50 years after democracy landed on the moon I believe).... and they STILL HAVEN'T TURNED A PROFIT. Space X runs on government subsidies and private donors currently.

You wanted to prove the merits of private sector innovation so you gave me a list of... stuff created mostly by university researchers and NASA?

No no, when I said "I'd like to read that" I meant you're friend's thesis.. I have a thing for peer reviewed studies with accurate numbers. It makes it easier to argue for the point if you have the numbers to back it up.

Maybe I'll just see if there's other numbers on the subject instead of you tracking down your friends thesis

Is she incorrect?

Capitalism IS irredeemable. It allows the children of the wealthy to succeed even if they are complete idiot's while the children of the poor can be smarter and harder working by miles and be fucked by nothing more than circumstance. Capitalism tries to convince people it is the utilitarian option, but it is not. If it were utilitarian, truly, then the stupid children of rich parents would fail. They don't because once you have enough money it becomes increasingly difficult to lose. After a certain point you actively have to TRY to get poor. A mixed economy which meets the conditions for fair opportunity is much better, something with both capital and social policies.

Your problem is that you seem to think anything with more social policies than right now is just 'socialism' and that we have been 'capitalist' for hundreds of years.

Capitalism doesn't work in the same way socialism doesn't work. The closer you get to the pure form of either the more people die from starvation, and in both cases is because of human nature. In pure socialism it would fail because Humans can't just share and agree to do so universally based on need, they feel they deserve to be rewarded for their efforts, that some are more deserving of getting by than others. Pure capitalism fails because in a system that relies on bargaining there are always going to be some who HAVE to take a bad deal because they have no other option, which starts the great loop of concentrated wealth, so eventually, if the total 'value' of all productive effort in the world is an arbitrary number, say 100, then 95 of that value ends up held by people actually producing much less than 95 hundredths of it, because they happened to snatch the right deals from people in situations where they had no other choice, meanwhile cucks who want to pretend everything is binary defend their fleecing overlords ('they worked hard for that money, nobody should be able to take it from them')

Just look up studies on recidivism comparing different prison systems. My friend's work was pretty statistics-heavy technical shit, you should be able to find something similar.

TLDR.

Socialism is a scale not an end point. We have tons of successful socialist policies in this country but we are on the far right compared to most first world countries. Moving a little left won't kill anyone. Staying where we are probably will if we don't figure out healthcare.

>75% tax rate
75% TOP BAND tiered tax rate, something that doesn't impact many and those it does impact can afford it EASILY, and that money is largely not 'earned', just gained by having had money in the first place. It has been higher in America before, and lead directly to a period of unprecedented growth.
>Forcing a 35 hour work week maximum
No. Forcing companies to pay overtime past a different point than they currently do. Nothing unfair about demanding that harder, longer work be paid more.
>Telling you which jobs you can and cannot do
Not sure anyone in America is suggesting this. You'd have to tell me what you're basing this particular 'reeeee' on.

Tesla was cheated out of his money by Thomas Edison.

Except like a fuck tonne of countries implement socialism in schools, hospitals, emergency services and so on

>Creation science
Oxymoron

>It has been higher in America before, and lead directly to a period of unprecedented growth.
You know what else led to a period of unprecedented growth in america? A mostly white population. As the numbers fell so too has the country.

I went to a private university that called itself the Harvard of the West. It has a two-tiered system of instruction. The moneyed kids always got passed and always got their degrees.

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That's not capitalism. That's a mixed economy, same thing the other side is suggesting but with a different policy balance.

>if we don't figure out healthcare

... or environmental/climate policy, or the wealth disparity, or gun control, or saving our crumbling public infrastructure, or public education, or student debt, or lack of government oversight in the financial sector.

Government has been interfering with things that cause effects on climate ever since we invented laws to keep lead out of gasoline and things.

And then theres the acid rain reductions we did by keeping sulphur and nitrogen out of the air.

Sorry to point it out, but this has NEVER been a laissez faire economy. There have been rules about polluting the air since before most of us were born.... but now we have science denial.

we just have a huge group that refuses to believe that co2 in the air adds to the greenhouse gasses, and that co2 dissolved in water (lie our many oceans) doesn't create something called carbonic acid that eats most things that have exoskeletons. (especial the corals)

Because America invaded most of the countries that attempted it and fucked them over

>I can't argue against your point so I'll try to make this about something else
So, back to the ACTUAL point, you agree that >75% top tax rate is totally fine, yes?

kinda funny how the only way implementation of inherently socialistic public services is on the back of capitalism the people who advocate these services so despise. socialism is a parasite, much like the people it's "helping"

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>I went to a university where rich kids' parents could pay for them to get their degree in spite of some being dumb as bricks
This is what I'm hearing.

Well, he lead edison off the hook, because he also had no interest in running the powergrid. (and suing westinghouse would have bankrupted the guy who WAS interested in running a powergrid)

That guy was a true inventor. He was more interested in pioneering wireless electricity than selling electricity to specific house.

What's wrong with the donkey's face?
And why does it's owner have a fucked up beard?

>Kinda funny how the people here make fair points about pure capitalism and socialism both not working and I pretend they hate everything to the capital end of them so I can pretend they're unreasonable
Kys moron. Capitalism has never succeeded without social policies, so your precious capitalism has always relied on the socialism YOU hate so much.

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stay poor and stupid

>if we don't figure out healthcare

>... or environmental/climate policy, or the wealth disparity, or gun control, or saving our crumbling public infrastructure, or public education, or student debt, or lack of government oversight in the financial sector.

All these problems disappear if we get rid of the parasites.

this
nudes when?

This. Capitalism cannot survive without government regulation, which is a great irony of the system. Capitalism needs legal institutions like property rights, security, courts to enforce contract agreements, research grants, patent guarantees, etc. in order to sustain itself, even while its most ardent defenders decry any sort of political oversight. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Daily reminder: The West killed every socialist regime that ever found its own wings and is trying quite obviously and pathetically right now in VZ.
Daily reminder: OP is and remains a faggot.

K. Thanks for being so solutions-oriented, friendo.

It's getting so annoying every time i come on

Source?

You're a 4channer tho

There are simple solutions if we get the politics out of it.

the bitch is just a stinking anti-white, feminist sociopathic martyr.

youtube.com/watch?v=joX2obLaowo

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Hit me with them solutions, bro.

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Hitler: Time to get rid or usury, I guess.

Also Hitler: *cocks gun, points at own head* Not so fast, you son of a bitch.

Are these two part of the Yang Gang? If not, rip
I for one welcome the new Chinese overlords

everyone's a little bit
ray-sist

Capitalism isn't defined by a lack of social programs. As a faggot you should understand the spectrum concept, and politics are on a spectrum. Capitalism is relatively close to the middle so it incorporates more left idealogies than the extreme right, which is anarchy. Socialism is farther to the left in respect to distance to the center than Capitalism, and that's where the problem lies. Socialism is a fuckpoor system because it is so tilted in it's views, while Capitalism is not perfect but at least makes the best of what we're currently capable of. The true middle ground between policies is not Socialism, and it never will be. You can't change the spectrum, only where you sit on it

The real question is, do I get laid more if I vote for you?

I once worked at a thrift store and we got this fucking picture in a legitimate frame and everything. It had to be, oh, five feet wide by three tall?

Jesus Christ, though

Lol nice cartoon. Love it. Well done.

>Socialism has never once succeeded in the entire history of mankind.

Neither have you, but you don't see us making fucking threads about it

>As a faggot you should understand the spectrum concept

I get the vibe that you spent more than 10 seconds thinking about that line, and it'll probably be the cleverest thought you'll ever have. You should save it for posterity.

Anyway, you seem obsessed with this idea that the middle ground is a desirable place to be, when it very often isn't. Also, I have the feeling that your criteria for what constitutes the "middle ground" is arbitrary, based more on the general modern status quo than any actual historical survey.

Also, how you make connection between the extreme right and anarchy confirms how little you know what you're talking about.

No. Anarchy is not on this scale. PURE capitalism is also known as anarcho-capitalism because of SIMILARITIES with anarchism. Anarchy is just a complete absence of government and is a political ideology, not an economic one. This scale runs from socialism to capitalism, in their pure forms, which neither have ever succeeded. Both exist only in compromise with the other.

>understand the spectrum concept, and politics are on a spectrum. Capitalism is relatively close to the middle so it incorporates more left idealogies than the extreme right, which is anarchy. Socialism is farther to the left in respect to distance to the center than Capitalism, and that's where the problem lies. Socialism is a fuckpoor system because it is so tilted in it's views, while Capitalism is not perfect but at least makes the best of what we're currently capable of. The true middle ground between poli
Obviously as an extremist you think the middle ground is hell. For most people, it's not. Instead of trying to change this country into your own paradise, move to a country that more closely reflects your values.

>Give up trying to change things to what you believe is the ideal.
So quit democracy? Fuck off fascist.

I think the middle ground is the status quo, and you have been so misled by the capitalists interested in maintaining the status quo and using it to defraud the general public that anything that suggests that politics and the economy should serve the population more equitably sounds like extremism.

The USA is not a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic. Yes I think you should quit voting because your values are in direct conflict with the values of what the USA was founded on. People like you should move to a country that matches their values better.

I do not believe there is any perfect system. Some systems work better for others. If a system does not work for you, I recommend moving to a country that has the system that most closely matches your values. I don't like how so many people make it their prerogative to force their values onto others.... especially if what their doing doesn't directly affect them. Like I only shun people who don't recycle because of the environmental implications.

wait you still think we're a republic?

I like capitalism. It works for me. I'm sorry you feel it does not work for you. The USA is a pretty conservative country and the people who are conservative like it that way. Unfortunately, people like you think it's better to just change the country to match your values rather than going somewhere that agrees with your values more closely. A lot of countries are exactly the way you like it, yet for some reason, your people do not want to move there.

We're supposed to be.

I want to hammer her pussy.

>people today have no business telling us how to run our government because a niche subset of society 250 years ago already told us how

>I get the vibe that you spent more than 10 seconds thinking about that line, and it'll probably be the cleverest thought you'll ever have.

>You should save it for posterity

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America was not founded on a core system of 'money makes right'.

And it is not a capitalist, but a mixed economy.

yeah we are, but when everyone that's elected to represent the people is bought and paid for by lobbyists.......

Yea....why is that?

ok, thanks for the clarification. now that's settled, why don't you move to another country?

>I think the middle ground is the status quo, and you have been so misled by the capitalists interested in maintaining the status quo and using it to defraud the general public
Kek

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lobbyists only have power because we give them that power. cant lobby an entity that has no jurisdiction.

The majority of the country actually leans more left-of-center. Why the fuck should I move? Why don't you? Is a simple-minded attempt at argumentum ad populum the best you can do? Go live in some hyper-conservative society like Afghanistan or Hungary or Poland.

Also, way to contradict your earlier argument about the nature of capitalism. You said "Capitalism is relatively close to the middle so it incorporates more left idealogies (sic)" but now you're making a case for its appeal among conservatives?

>Yes I think you should quit voting because your values are in direct conflict with the values of what the USA was founded on.
>All men are created equal
This, I agree with
>Life
No I definitely agree with this
>Liberty
And this one
>Pursuit of happiness
And this one.

Sorry, but I pursue my happiness which involves living here, and trying to make life a little fairer for all. Me trying to change the current system, which is exploitative, doesn't disagree with the founding principles of the USA.

We get it. You have a college education faggot.

>majority of the country is left of center
I’m sure you have heard of a citation....

Ah, the conservative flair for having no sense of nuance whatsoever. Everything is either the comforting glow from the dumpster fire that is an unregulated free market or COMMUNIST DEATH SQUADS IN THE CHINESE COUNTRYSIDE. No wonder you all panic like squirrels at the mere mention of Karl Marx.

Because I want to make things fairer here. I don't run away from problems like a pussy. That means a few more social policies, a little less laissez-faire which has literally always ended in disaster. As a citizen I am born with the right to vote for policymakers I believe will make that happen and fight for a fair system. America was not founded on 'if you don't like it here fuck off'

their power is money, and we(average americans) aren't giving them that.

>comparing unregulated free market to half a billion deaths under communism
>calling other people squirrels
Kek

>Hurr gommunism killed did manies
>Ignores the millions who have died as a direct result of capitalism
Okay

So you’re standing there with a straight face and claiming the only people killed by The Great Leap Forward were those murderd by death squads?

Are you really doin’ this?

Okay, I guess I'll do the work for you.

Type the following into the SEARCH BAR of your WEB BROWSER: google.com

This will take you to the Google homepage. Google is this really cool little tool that can help you find the answers to most of the questions you might have about virtually any topic. In the search bar of the Google homepage, type "reuters/ipsos american political spectrum". Reuters/Ipsos is a non-partisan polling and statistical analysis group, and their work is basically the industry standard when it comes to political issues polling. Once you type your query into the Google search bar, click "search" to blast off into a world of knowledge! Reuters/Ipsos publishes their new polling data EVERY WEEK! Neat-O!

>capitalismkilledmore.jpeg
Why aren’t you posting the memes? I, for one, find them infantile but hilarious.

You know what else has never succeeded? Laws against murdering. People still murder, so the laws do nothing.

Are you really going to try and do a really of the dead? Capitalism has the high score.

>I have no evidence to my claim so I’ll post text diarrhea
Got it.

Because memes are your side's thing. I prefer fact.

I was being facetious and dramatic, but only because I assumed no reasonable human being would think that an argument against capitalism is synonymous with a call to communist dictatorship.

That part about conservatives lacking any sense of nuance, though? That was clearly spot-on.

Please post the images! They’re hilarious. I know you got em kiddo.

>60% of all wealth in America in Inherited.

This is definitely 100% true and accurate, don’t bother looking it up, people. This “fact” which lends credence to that entire post is not at all pulled out of his ass. There’s definitely factual evidence for this, don’t worry I checked and so did that poster.

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>posts no facts
Kek. What a faggot.

>communism will work this time
Kek

But I did. Capitalism has killed more people than communism. That's a fact.

No. It’s not a fact.

>only true statement in thread

Aww, poor little trump cucks cant handle her sexy big smelly feet on their faces, so cute.

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>I'm afraid doing any actual research myself will destroy my confirmation bias and I'll actually have to acknowledge that my safe, comfortable little world is based on overly-simplistic assumptions about the fundamental nature of a capitalistic system and the general opinions and well-being of the people who toil under it

Got it.

Note that I've made actual points here to back up everything I've said while you keep falling back on your initial premise without providing any sort of historical context or logical consistency beyond your own definitions. This would be considered dangerously tautological in any serious political discussion.

Neither has capitalism without war.

>reads that post and STILL somehow thinks that there's an argument in favor of communism in there somewhere

Please keep confirming my hypothesis that conservatives lack any sense of nuance or even, apparently, irony.

Stop jerking eachother off, the only thing that matters now is if ANY system will help to prevent carbon emissions, if not, then whoever is in power over the next 10 years is responsible for the death of everyone

brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2015/01/30/wealth-inheritance-and-social-mobility/

60% is a little high, but the real numbers are depressingly close anyway.

It is though. It's not a cited reference, but it's still true.

In living memory, millions. Famine caused directly by exploitative capitalist colonial rule in India and the Congo alone caused around 50 million deaths.

>>I'm afraid doing any actual research myself will destroy my confirmation bias and I'll actually have to acknowledge that my safe, comfortable little world is based on overly-simplistic assumptions about the fundamental nature of a capitalistic system and the general opinions and well-being of the people who toil under it

Are these Rage Against The Machine lyrics?

This is only a jerkoff if you believe there to be two equally valid arguments here. And if you honestly do, yikes.

Anyway, I don't think the current system is going to cut carbon emissions at all, what with the fossil fuel industry's lobbying power and the Trump administration's attempts to gaslight the public about the effects of alternative energy development. I get that the Green New Deal isn't perfect, but at least there are some solid proposals in there. At least Democrats have actual POLICIES and an AGENDA to deal with global warming.

>50 million
You got a ways to go to be equal to communism bud...

Not likely, I don't listen to RATM.

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Oh this is going in the saved folder. Thank you user.

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>mUh CaPiTaLiSm Is A pErFeCt SyStEm

wake up faggot, you're just a sheep blind to the fact that you're a slave.

youtube.com/watch?v=ln3niFI0Mas&t=2286s

It's ironic that the sort of people who would find this amusing have never cracked open a basic econ text book themselves.

Well send your diatribes to Zack de la Rocha cuz you might end up with some foldin’ monayy.

See

I think people who argue about politics, and socialism, communism or any other left vs right wing nonsense are quite frankly retarded

the elite dont care eitherway, both parties only exists to appease them. If people suddenly vote massively for one or the other theyll take it as a guidance that perhaps now is not the time to for example immigrate more refugees or perhaps they needto spend more on propoganda
but in the end they just want fatter pockets

politics is a giant sham and discussing it like its real is fucking retarded

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Nazi Germany /thread

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we got a realist here is what it should say, little sheep

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Politics aside? I would eat her asshole and let her call me a Nazi. I would read das kapital to her while I redistributed my seed to her womb.

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>>>
she fucked up a cuba libre, she didn't leave room for the coke...

Only if we can make Trump a loudmouth failed real estate developer coasting on strength of his brand and Pence a chain smoking talk radio blowhard again.

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>fucked up a cuba libre
>cuba libre
>... even though that's clearly a bottle of tequila

Fucking underage little shit, you know fuck all about drinking.

His sister Abigail has great milkers

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>being proud of your alcoholism

Which socialist program has worked in your opinion?

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The process of jobs returning to American soil, a process in economics called 'reshoring', was a trend that began under Obama's presidency in the first place because of renewed investor confidence created by Obama's economy.

And you're a raging, weak-kneed, slack-jawed faggot but I would not judge a co-worker of yours for that.

daily reminder:

you're right

Obama's economy? I think it's a bit more complicated than that.

>Knowing that a rum & coke and a tequila on the rocks don't look the same is 'alcoholism'

I'll bet you think your nocturnal emissions count as one-night stands.

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triggered

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the entire thread is babys first politicalmemes

Who cares? Not one political candidate in America is advocating for a full socialist country.

we also started "reshoring" dollars from other countries who were looking to get off obama's sinking ship

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Bailing out big banks and corporate welfare.

Not really, this started in 2010, after the stimulus passed and the worst of the economic crisis was over. New regulations on the financial sector and consumer protection legislation demonstrated to investors and companies that the US was taking steps to insulate itself from further crisis. At the same time, other major markets like the EU and parts of Asia had yet to recover from the housing 2008 collapse so the US was still a relatively sound investment compared to everywhere else.

Also, forgot to mention that the US had started paying down its debts under Obama following the crisis, demonstrating the solvency of US-backed securities as a solid investment.

yeah, the government should have never done that. in effect, we've kicked the can down the road and created a bigger problem in the future. although painful in the short-term, those failing banks and auto manufacturers should have been left to fail. the socializing of corporate losses has created a moral hazard, which will encourage other companies to take riskier behavior.

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Eh I know the type. Anyone who gives that much of a shit about being able to identify alcohol drinks a ton of it.

Since you like sex metaphors it’s like the guys that are so concerned with being perceived as heterosexual they constantly talk about getting laid.

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borrowing less than announced doesn't equal a reduction...

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Did you mean to type capitalism? Because capitalism has failed every single time it's been tried.

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>being this dramatic unironically

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Are these legit tho?

Yea Forums, I call on your forensics team to find out.

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What's Darth Cheeto's debt so far? Way the fuck off that chart, that's for sure.

AOC is so fucking dumb

Citation?

looks like he's on track to match or beat obama's 8.6 trillion record

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...

>Public schools
Has largely failed, dipshits with no idea what they're doing are entering the workforce en masse, and it causes unprecedented levels of stress and shitty social conditioning in young kids (hence the rise in school massacres, etc).
>Public water system
Flint, MI
>Public Highways
Yeah this one's fine
>Public Parks
also fine
>Public Health Care
Literally the most expensive endeavor in American history, thanks to one of the most bloated and fucked with industries since banking.

Lazy fuck.

thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

the-fappening.com/ben-shapiros-sister-abigail-shapiro-leaked-nudes/

honestly, she's OK looking but I'd have to have to turn down the lights to get over her horseface and manson eyes

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>Public schools has largely failed
On what fucking planet do you live? Public education is generally one of the most successful public programs in American history. There are definitely issues with lack of funding but the system as a whole is a solid foundation to build from once we get serious about improving the school systems.

>gives one example of a fucked public water system despite existence of superior systems throughout the country i.e. Chicago

>thinks that public health care and banking are being "fucked with"

Lol nope the whole issue with both those sectors is that they operate with virtually no oversight, the modern banking system was even designed by bankers to be needlessly complicated in order to keep regulators from touching it.

>posts opinion piece
What a faggot. I especially love the off color sneering Trump pic that greets you as you open the page. What’s wrong, couldn’t you find anything from antifa.org to post?

>those sectors is that they operate with virtually no oversight

lol now you're just making this up as you go along... health care and banking are some of the most heavily regulated sectors in the economy

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>Thinks 50 million is the grand total.
>Still thinks communism has killed more than capitalism.

He's questioning the very specific reasons why those debts are added. Adding $9T and saving our economy (please don't try to say that Obama era policies didn't save the economy, we all know the facts back this up, Obama handed over an economy very firmly on the rise, far outpacing the rest of the world in the aftermath of 2008-9)? That's responsible use of credit. Adding $4T and going to war in nations which did not, in fact, produce terrorists, never had WMDs, and happened to make US oil interests unhappy? Irresponsible.

>Calling an article which cites Trump's own budget estimates an 'opinion piece'
Sorry but no. The fact that Trump's budget is set to add more to the debt by its own estimations is not an opinion piece. Click the links. Actually read the sources. Ignorant cunt.

nothing was "saved", we just kicked the can further down the road. yes we postponed a crisis and what surely would have followed - a massive correction and recession. but we added a massive amount of debt to bail out failed banks and non-productive banks, all in a misguided effort to avoid short-term pain. we should have never done that...

rather than trying to prevent recessions, the government needs to allow companies to fail and allow recession to happen (part of the natural economic cycle). stop quantitative easing (money printing), stop asset inflation, and allow interest rates to rise. Higher interest rates will discourage borrowing and spending, and encourage personal savings. We must restart non-debt financed capital investment in this country - the true engine of a productive, sustainable economy.

As time passes the distortions created by a centrally planned economy become more apparent, as assets continuously inflate and the country becomes mired in debt, it also becomes less and less competitive with the rest of the world. Additionally, the increased risk from our massively increased national debt calls into question the overall solvency of the currency, and we are already seeing other countries (our lenders) begin to move away from the US dollar as the world's reserve currency. Once the crisis of confidence peaks, and the dollar loses its reserve currency status... it's game over.

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Well yeah, socialism is extremely non-beneficial for money. Money rules the world. I wonder why it's never worked.