Honestly crime is the worst thing imaginable and needs to be eradicated...

Honestly crime is the worst thing imaginable and needs to be eradicated. Law is the most important thing we have in society. I think we need an overhaul of the justice and all criminals should be punished with death. It’s the only deterrent that will actually stop all crime

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im with ya op, i hate those faggots that change lanes without signalling.

Okay let's say that change is enacted. Then what happens if some normal activity you do becomes a crime? What if free speech becomes a crime? Would you be okay with being killed for something you believe should be lawful? The issue is that defining a "criminal" is very vague, so you're allowing genocide to happen basically.

Laws are laws and need to be upheld. A criminal is anyone one who breaks the law

Lane changing without signaling is dangerous and puts people at risk all the time

Sure, that's true in definition, but you're ignoring how the laws get there in the first place. The law isn't just some unchanging entity. Why aren't you talking about how we can be sure the laws on the books, and new laws, are fair, and won't result in perfectly normal, moral people being branded as a criminal and killed? What if a tyrant enacts a law saying that being Jewish is a crime?

Laws put in place are for the good of society. Any law put in place is for the betterment of us and should be upheld. Sure there will be a small adjustment phase but people will accept it and there will be anti corruption laws in place to keep the system fair

That's a lot of hand-waving. You can't just say it'll be fine. What's your actual exact plan for this? I'll let the facts speak for themselves, because at this point I have no reason to trust you.

There are anti-corruption laws now that don't work

Because the right punishment for those being caught aren’t in effect. Right now the way things are those people are above the law and aren’t properly motivated to do their jobs correctly. I want a complete overhaul of the justice system where everyone is judged and convicted the same. No way of buying your way out or any loopholes. Either you follow the law or die

The exact plan is in anyone breaking law is put to death. No one is above it. Everyone is sentenced in the exact way. No loopholes. Follow the law or die.

What if a bunch of fake witnesses conspired to get someone innocent convicted of a crime?

Some laws are ridiculous and outdated and don't make much sense anymore. Did you know premarital sex was just legalized in Utah this year?

There will always be people who oppose laws just because they exist. You can never fully eradicate this percentage of the population. You're a fucking retard.

They will be put to death to

Then it’s no longer a crime

That's a terribly open-ended and vague plan. I'm frightened that people like you can vote.

People oppose the law because the justice system is flawed. I’m trying to fix it

Yes, but then you say this:

>They will be put to death too

So obviously you'd be fine with a broken system.

It’s not vague or open ended. The law is the law

But my system isnt broken. The current system is

Your system where any group of people can conspire to get someone killed isn't broken? Your system that punishes a child taking a piece of candy the same as a rapist?

They can conspire but they will be put to death when caught and that is the deterrent. And yes. Do you think the child should go unpunished? What’s to stop him from stealing again? Why haven’t his parents taught him stealing is wrong? Why should the child be able to break the law and get away with it? No one is above the law and people need to know that.

Really defeats the purpose of laws. Laws exist so we can enjoy a level civility, not so we can codify murder. Laws allow us to resolve disputes so murder is not required. You fucking troglodyte

Yes but if no one obeys them then the laws mean nothing. Crime is everywhere. How is that civility? Why is crime allowed to go unpunished? Criminals are always present and need to be stopped. Prisons don’t work

Can you go into detail on how crime rates have risen? Because I was under the impression that crime rates universally were falling.

Falling but it’s not at 0%. Watch the news. Read a newspaper. Drunk driving accidents, ODs, shootings, petty crime, embezzling, white collar crimes, assault, everything is still happening

Deterrents don't work.

This one will.

Someone should put you to death for trying to usurp the judicial system with a tyrannical and immature viewpoint.

You are a naive child. Its illegal to drive barefoot. does that warrant death?

It’s not tyrannical or immature. It’s immature to think anyone you or anyone is above the law. We are all governed by it and all follow the rules of it for the betterment of society. How is that tyrannical in any way. It sounds like a utopia to me

Yes, but it's just reported more now. Actual rates are going down.

It’s illegal. You/no one can just decide what laws matter and don’t

It’s still not 0%. And that’s what matters

great bait, amigo. shame on you faggots for taking it

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Penalty, whether it be a fine or death, can only be a deterrent for those of rational mind to perceive the risk as something greater than their current standing.

This is why nearly half of all current prisoners have documented mental health concerns. Many are not even of rational mind to full comprehend their consequences. Then there's another group--the desperately poor and uneducated. This group may perceive the risk of punishment as low in comparison to their current financial situation. Going to jail or dying in 10 years because you stole is equally (or less) concerning as having no money and starving TODAY.

Then there's greed. Some will decide that the profit is worth the risk. This group has ALREADY made the risk calculation and seem to think they have a plan to avoid getting caught. Deterrence is not a factor here. Tl;Dr deterrence only works on healthy educated middle class folks with access to just enough resources to make crime economically hazardous.

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Not when it’s death for everything. No way around it. Commit any crime no matter how big or small you are put to death. That way people actually teach their children that the law needs to be respected

Laws are for cucks. MEN do as they wish. Slaves and fags follow the law.

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You sound like a scared little faggot. Afraid that if everyone isn't cucked into submission that you might get hurt or something.

You still have to get caught.
You still have to prove it.

Which means there's time and effort to do these things. And we've built a system if laws to account for this. Just change the end result to death.

It doesn't change the fact that some can't comprehend the consequence. That some would rather die if they got caught 10 years later, than starve for another minute. Or that someone has weighed the risk and is comply willing to go through because they think they have a plan to circumvent the danger.

Deterrence can only work if the target of that deterrent has something worth losing, or even know they do.

Laws are what keeps are society in order

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Doesn’t matter eventually they will all be brought to justice and we get more of the scum off the streets and no more prison system.

And that statement isnt even refuting my argument.

How? It’s doesn’t matter if they comprehend a bullet to the head or not it will still kill them. Also anyone with not a mental illness will comprehend it and not go into a life of crime

Society? Who cares what the multitudinous slaves are up too?

We all should. No one is above the law

So you've identified and admitted there is at least one hole in your idea with the mental health issues. Thank you for pointing that out.

As for the rest....the individual still has to get caught, and processed through the courts, because THAT IS THE LAW AND YOU CANT BREAK LAWS. These are holes in which a person in particularly dire straits will consider acceptable risks.

Someone who is desperate or have poor impulse control (another common trait amongst criminals) will see the risk calculation as acceptable for near term benefit.

You have to have something worth losing for deterrence to be a factor.

There is no court. Once found committing the crime you are put to death

But that's not the law...Law breakers should be punished.

And there is no holes in my argument. You keep trying to put up examples of people who for some reason are above the law

That is the law. It needs to be upheld

Not above the law. Just unable to reason with the deterrence, so the crime will continue to exist. You solve nothing.

It's almost as if we've decided that not all infractions warrant death...and have realized that public sentiments or attitudes may change in the future and with it the laws. And maybe killing a bunch of people for a petty law may not sit well with us in 20 years when we collectively say "yeah that's not really that big a deal, my bad"

You act like 97% of people have mental illness. Most will comprehend and no longer committ crime and if they do they die. The 5% who can’t comprehend will either die or will need to rely on their families to control them or risk losing them. Not everyone who has a mental illness is a criminal

But until it is made legal people are breaking the law. Why do some have to follow it and others don’t that is wrong.

No. Not 95. The exact phrase I use is "nearly half" of all PRISONERS have documented mental health issues. That's a considerable percentage of the crime committing populous.

And that's just mentally Ill people. All others that continue to commit crime despite being capable of comprehending the deterrence do so because they misjudge (or properly) the risk reward in favor of more instant gratification.

Deterrence only works as a factor in reducing crime for the healthy populo6 with shit worth losing. You fail to understand the motivations to enter a life of crime, and effectively demonstrate your lack of understanding in how to cure it. As if smarter people that. You haven't already tried your way before.

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Half of the people can comprehend it and will as soon as the sentences go through they’ll stop or die lowering the crime rate. And the ones who can’t comprehend will die lowering the crime rate. Prison doesn’t work death does

If masturbating furiously became illegal, you'd be on death row. Remember that.

> all criminals should be punished with death
You would have to keep them in prison for at least a year or two to make sure you don't execute someone who was wrongly accused.

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Implying more people aren't being born. Future criminals are made every day and your solution does nothing to remedy that.

Even worse....he thinks we should just shoot them no trial or prison phase and would discount that (despite being a law, lol) in his calculus

good idea let's just kill everyone who drives a car then

No death row. Put to death on the spot. And I don’t committ crimes. Most people don’t. If they 100% of the population would committ crimes non stop

No more prisons. They do not work and most get out and just committ crimes again. Anyone found breaking the law is put to the death on the spot

wow you're a complete fucking statist, if some major disaster happens and society crumbles you'll be one of the first people to do running around say but muh laws guys

No they’ll learn

*to die

Driving a car is not breaking a law. Drive safely and don’t break the law you’re fine

Society will not crumble as long as we uphold the law

according to what's listed in traffic code everyone commits infractions every time they get behind the wheel, I bet the last time you drove you signaled less than 100 feet before you made a turn so go ahead and get off your fucking high horse and kill yourself now

I know the law. And I follow it

Never miscalculated the length of a yellow light? Ever? Because not all intersections have the same timing...