Who did it Yea Forums?

Some Puerto Rican guy.

You beat me to it.

He was... Puerto Ricany

> " Who did it Yea Forums? ..." ;
..... most likely: nobody knows;

> " Is she dead? ..." ;
..... most likely: nobody knows;

> "... Are the parents guilty? " ;
..... no;
but assuming that some person(s) did "do it",
they are nevertheless innocent until proven guilty, beyond all reasonable doubt.

It's very difficult to argue the parents did it. I'd love to see someone try here.

I am as near as certain as possible:
that the parents had nothing to do with it apart from some degree of negligence.

Pretty much my conclusion as well.

You are all fucking idiots if you actually for one second believe that her parents are not guilty of murder

I was waiting for you. Let's debate. I'm ready for your arguments.

It's always the parents.

Hey you, don't flee.

Argue the case then, I'm ready for you.

Podesta bros.

One theory is they gave her sleeping pills while they went out to dinner, when they came back she was dead.

I don't think they did it, I bet they wish they hadn't left her asleep with no adult supervision while they went for something to eat and drink though.

Why won't anyone argue that the parents did it against me? Come on.

I did it. True story.

Leaves kids alone to get drunk, child mysteriously vanishes, when parents become suspects they refuse to co-operate and eventually flee the country and refuse to go back! People with fewer high profile connections would be serving jail time.. oh and for good measure throw in the positive indication of cadaver dogs and her parents conflicting stories just for good measure

>One theory is they gave her sleeping pills while they went out to dinner, when they came back she was dead.
Then the dog would have smelled death on her bed rather than by the closet of another room and behind the sofa of another room. Moreover, this requires that we believe the parents would still try to get as much promotion as possible as a big act. If they were guilty, they would have given up and tried to lay low.

The authorities should have told people that a pedophile was operating in the area and had broken into several homes and molested and raped children during that period of time, though. I'd never let my kids alone like this, but more could have been done.

Podestas.

She was obviously kidnapped by some Puerto Rican and sold into trafficking. End of story.

First time here?

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The mother washed her cuddle cat.

This. Podestas took her into elite pedo ring.

Pizza gate happened

The Podesta Brothers

They did it

she woke up while under the influence of the sleeping pills or whatever, tried to look over the window by standing on the sofa, tripped hit her head and died. Parents go back, don´t want to lose everything so "hey just went missing" but it becomse a huge story. my 2 cents.

>Leaves kids alone to get drunk,
I don't think they were drunk that evening. Nobody reported anything like that.

>when parents become suspects they refuse to co-operate and eventually flee the country and refuse to go back!
They stayed a long time, though. They cooperated fully, also. They went through interviews that lasted over 10 hours, each, while being fairly mistreated. I don't even think they had a lawyer with them during these interviews.

They didn't flee the country, they were allowed to leave and they remained under Portuguese law, even back home, and they obeyed what they were ordered to do by the Portuguese police, which was not to discuss the case at all.

>People with fewer high profile connections would be serving jail time..
There is literally no evidence that could have condemned them, high profile or not. Besides, they aren't very high profile, they're just doctors. They aren't especially rich either.

>oh and for good measure throw in the positive indication of cadaver dogs
This point is never raised by anyone, but how do you know that if the dog is right, that the death he smelled was that of Madeleine? It's a holiday resort, what if someone killed themselves? What if the dog is just wrong? Dogs alone are never used as evidence in court.

>her parents conflicting stories just for good measure
No conflicting stories that I know of.

>the dog
>the dog
>the dog
Are you retarded? You trust the accuracy of a corpse dog? Especially the same one who flagged a vehicle the parents rented a month after her death? You're not even good at your own side of the debate. Go away nigger.

Based Horde Mode.

>The mother washed her cuddle cat.
And?

Looks like mr and mrs McCann have discovered Yea Forums hahaha hi guys

>she woke up while under the influence of the sleeping pills or whatever, tried to look over the window by standing on the sofa, tripped hit her head and died.
No evidence for this, not even sure that would work. Sofas are not very light objects, and a 3-year-old kid would not be able to move one, I imagine.

>Parents go back, don´t want to lose everything so "hey just went missing" but it becomse a huge story. my 2 cents.
Why would they lose? Accidents happen. Whether they were there or not wouldn't have changed much. Besides, the parents didn't want it to be a big story.

>Are you retarded? You trust the accuracy of a corpse dog? Especially the same one who flagged a vehicle the parents rented a month after her death?
It seems you are retarded. I am merely using the argument used by you, or other, to show it could go both ways. I never said I personally think much of the dogs argument, considering your second point.

What about the traces of her blood in the boot of the parents car?

Her daughters favourite toy, which would have had her scent on it. When you go to work tomorrow, speak to women who have small children, and ask them if they would have done the same.

>Moreover, this requires that we believe the parents would still try to get as much promotion as possible as a big act. If they were guilty, they would have given up and tried to lay low.

There have been several cases in the UK where the culprit (such as an ex boyfriend) has even taken part in reconstructions of the victims last know movements or attended tearful news conferences, they is no reason to think they would lay low if they had done it.

Despite who caused it, the parents should have been fucking charged with neglect for leaving the kids in a hotel room alone.

Their reasoning

>hurr durr every parent did it that night

Parents fault. Don’t know how they were able to earn as much money as they did from this to begin with.

Madeline was probably sold onto some Portuguese family. When I was younger and in Spain, some family offered to buy me from my mother for 30 grand USD purely from my platinum blonde hair.

My mother took it as a joke at first, but later that week the family had somehow found my parents hotel room and sent them a letter asking again, if they could buy me.

My parents before we left holiday submitted a police report and since then we didn’t return to Spain.

It’s apparantly fairly common for families in these countries to offer money, especially for blonde haired little girls. They would go for a lot on the market for breeding purposes.

She is probably in a cow pen as we speak being bred now that she’d be like 16

Think we found maddies kidnapper

>What about the traces of her blood in the boot of the parents car?
First of all, it wasn't "of her blood", it was just "of blood", on a rental car, and that vehicle was rented 25 days after Madelein disappeared. You'd have to assume they kept her body somewhere during all that time, while being under the scrutiny of both police and international press, which is ridiculous to argue.

All you need here is one of the McCann's family to bleed, even just a little, and God knows little kids scratch themselves and get clawed and shit and fall a lot, and you get a "match". The McCanns were 4 in using that car: that you find DNA material that could be theirs isn't surprising. What's more, the DNA found could be "anyobody's" according to experts. So it's a non-argument.

How do you know she washed it, if I may ask?

This guy watched the Madeline documentary and thinks he knows what happened.

You have a weird obsession with this kid

I'm aware of this, but those types generally weren't attached to the case originally. My main point is that the parents show extraordinary insistance despite being treated like crap for years and by the entire planet. And they aren't trying to get famous, they don't speak a whole lot, and this was even reproached to them.

>Despite who caused it, the parents should have been fucking charged with neglect for leaving the kids in a hotel room alone.
Yes and no. Kids were checked on every 30 minutes or so. When kids go to bed at home, they are checked on much less, and the distance doesn't make a whole lot of difference. Would I have done that? No, because I'd be worried as fuck about my kids, but I'm not entirely sure it's straight neglect.

Are you saying the documentary is lying or wrong?

As to being obsessed, it's not an obsession but the case clearly hits home for me and I want to know what happened to Madeleine.

>the kids were checked on every 30 minutes

As soon as you leave a kid unattended no matter how long it is, it is neglect.
If you leave a child in the house to make a trip across the street, it is neglect.

It’s a kid, they required undivided observation. They went to a party. If they had left, would this have happened? No.

The cow never even checked on Madrid in the room, it took the open window to blow the door open for her to realise.

>As soon as you leave a kid unattended no matter how long it is, it is neglect.
OK, I can agree with that.

>If you leave a child in the house to make a trip across the street, it is neglect.
Same.

>It’s a kid, they required undivided observation.
Agreed.

>They went to a party. If they had left, would this have happened? No.
Also correct and agree with.

>The cow never even checked on Madrid in the room,
>Madrid
Phonefag I imagine. But yet again, agreed.

>tfw you end up in a pedo ring getting raped every week of your life for years because your parents thought the chatter would bother your sleep

>now entire armies of dicks bother your sleep and you curse your parents with every hurtful thrust

I’m saying the documentary doesn’t claim any truth to anything, nor is it an accurate description of what happened.

How is the documentary evidence to what happened during the event?

It’s obvious their was something Moreno at play.

The family attended a big party, were it was known a lot of parents were out.

Therefore Madeline was an easy target. When kidnappings occur, the perpetrator usually stalks their victims beforehand.
I don’t doubt for one minute Madeline was stolen, but i’m towards her being sold to a rich family for human trafficking.

I have family from Spain, who know people, and human trafficking for little blonde girls is common.

They were most likely stalked throughout the day. As I said, I have experience of being a potential kidnap victim after my mother refused to sell me.

It became a big case. I honestly believe the same thing happened to Madeline. Some kidnappers would easily pay up to 30 grand for her, but if left unattended, would easily snatch her without a second thought

A matter of public record, but don't ask me where I saw it. Shouldn't be too hard to find, if you've got a few mins.

Let's not forget the no comment interview(s) while we're at it.

just think for a minute if this was a guy they would have found him by now but just because he's a woman they don't bother to. it's sexist pigs.

This is obviously what has happened, order was placed, family identified and approval photos taken, approval received, snatch child, remove from country.

>my mother refused to sell me
and boy doesn't she rue that choice

No, that isn't right either some were, some weren't, quite often suspects have been allowed to carry out these shams, if it is not a confession or a open and shut case, it takes take to gather evidence for an arrest. Anyway that wasn't your point. Your point was

>this requires that we believe the parents would still try to get as much promotion as possible as a big act. If they were guilty, they would have given up and tried to lay low.

My point is, It has happened a lot so it is not hard to believe at all.

thesun.co.uk/news/3772600/killer-mick-philpott-who-set-fire-to-house-with-six-of-his-children-inside-launches-appeal-bid/

He attended several tear filled news conferences before he was finally arrested.

My mother has had 7 kids and lost one. Pretty sure if she regretted any of her children, she wouldn’t have had 6 more.

Someone sounds salty that they don’t want to believe that the parents had anything to do with it.

It was obvious that the party was a diversion so that pizza gate could occur. Make it look like she was stolen. She was sold and shipped.

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She's tied in with pizzagate. I guaran fucking tee it.

What about her killer? 30+ years have passed and still no clue.

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Who did it: my guess someone at the hotel tipped off traffickers after they booked the tapas bar for that week knowing they would be times when the kids were alone

Is she dead: story got to big traffickers killed her and dumped the body in the sea

Are her parents guilty: not of murder, bad parenting boarding child neglect yes as this gave the opportunity

This

>Tipped off by traffickers during the tapas hotel party
>Traffickers steak Madeline
>She gets sold to a rich family of Pizza lovers, and she now gets big tips
>Rich family is still harbouring her, but she was too young to remember who she is, therefore she has no recollection of her own identity

Uses to be confused as to whether the parents were guilty

However, a lot of their interviews all refer to Maddie in the past tense. People only do that when THEY KNOW that person is dead.

Chris watts did that in his 1st interview, said Celeste WAS 3. I knew right then.

That's why I throw shade at the McCain's.

>How is the documentary evidence to what happened during the event?
It shows testimonies and the evidence that the police found. I don't know what else there is to make suppositions.

>It’s obvious their was something Moreno at play.
>Moreno
Well, sure, nobody's denying that since it's still a mystery.

Everything else you said is in line with the documentary, though. If the doc makes any supposition, that would be yours.

They even had a woman asking "Do you have my new daughter?" in the street that night or the following day.

Also their statements and interviews from recent years show distancing language that lends credence to them knowing she's never coming back.

>A matter of public record, but don't ask me where I saw it.
I'll try to find something about that.

>Let's not forget the no comment interview(s) while we're at it.
The parents were instructed not to cry or show emotions so as not to give satisfaction to the abductor in case he was a sadist, because if that were the case, he might try to make things worse to see more suffering. They were just following advice. Moreover, as of Portuguese law, they were NOT allowed to make comments about an on-going case they were a part of.

That is not the only reason people do that though. People refer to people in the past tense all the time when that person is no longer in their lives, has nothing to do with having killed her. It has been a long time.

>My point is, It has happened a lot so it is not hard to believe at all.
It happened a lot in other cases but nobody's impression was comparable to what people felt about the McCanns, or so is my understanding.

>He attended several tear filled news conferences before he was finally arrested.
The McCanns specifically never did anything of the sort, which was my point. The way they went about it was unusual and they got a lot of flakk for it.

>It was obvious that the party was a diversion so that pizza gate could occur. Make it look like she was stolen. She was sold and shipped.
Not salty user, but there were much easier ways to get a kid kidnapped than this. I don't think she was sold either, when she can be stolen, in a country where stolen kids happen a lot, we know this. She likely was "sold" by the abductors, but not by the parents.

Podestas.

>knowing they would be times when the kids were alone
Consider this: there was a list of who had booked a table at the Tapas Bar thing for every evening of the week, since the Brits had all made reservations for the entire week, all the ones who had kids. Also consider that one of the restaurant employees had been arrested for being a pedo. This wasn't mentioned in the doc.

>therefore she has no recollection of her own identity
>tfw my eye is the same as Mad Maddie and I look like her...

>People only do that when THEY KNOW that person is dead.
Or when they've been gone for a while. You don't have to be dead to be gone.

Shit argument to accuse someone.

All dat "fund for Maddie" money being well spent by her PR team in here. Well done guise.

And for that money, they managed to make a spelling mistake.

[spoiler]Fun for Maddie[/spoiler]

Dafuq? Fund as in, hold a fund-raiser.

Asshole.

>uses spoiler tags

i think this guys onto something how much you being paid?

Fun Raisers are more fun.

I thought I was on Yea Forums.

That only applies to court dumbass

parents are guilty of some shady shit they leave the kid while they are going out for a meal? sure mate dont deserve a kid if you dont put them first they sold that kid

And only courts can declare someone guilty.

Which seems more likely to you:

1. they went to Portugal and planned the selling of their daughter in an overly complicated and risky way

2. they left their kids alone every evening of the week so they could have dinner and chat with other parents from the same hotel

not true you can be guilty as a mother fucker like oj but he was given a slide

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when you go abroad you take extra care of your children you dont leave them in a room while you enjoy a dinner when there is no one to look after them how old was they ? 4 or 5 even 6 that is fucking disgusting she and he was stupid cunts who dont deserve kids the poor child is in someone's basement as a sex slave or dead how do they carry on knowing they failed the child who looked to them for protection

Legally, only a court can declare you guilty. Unlike OJ, the parents were not declared guilty ever, whereas OJ was found guilty in the civil trial or something. There's no evidence at all that the parents are involved, whereas OJ faced tons of evidence that he was the murderer.

There's no such thing for the McCanns.

i remember they was told they could not say anything about what the police told them right right not we know you did it but you can go off and say someone stole the child when a politician bought the kid the mother looks fucking dead no expression not in the sense of sadness like i dont care

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Reminder that it is normal for people to have different accounts of the same story when they are telling the truth. These aren't events that are outside the usual so people make no special efforts to remember them, and when shit hits the fan, few people maintain a perfect record of what happens.

Investigators typically say, "If several people tell you the exact same story, or if one person tells you the same story 40 times with different interviewers, they are lying."

evidence ok but just because no evidence doesn't mean you didnt do it in this case i believe they did some shady shit

>patio door is the front door
Solved.

trying to get a rise out of people a lot of people believe something was fishy

>the mother looks fucking dead no expression not in the sense of sadness like i dont care
Kate was instructed not to show sadness or tears so as not to give the abductor satisfaction, to prevent Madeleine from being tortured by him in case he was a sadist.

These crazy people can do horrible things to get pleasure from others' pain.

Sure, but I am yet to see credible reasons to suspect them of selling their kids or having done anything shady.

Moreover, you can tell the woman is fucking heartbroken all over and permanently. I don't wish what happened to her on my worst enemy.

They're absolutely involved. Read Goncalo Amaral's book.

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