Hi Yea Forums. I'm a fascist, and I'd like to talk to you about ideology and politics, so AMA

I'm open to the idea that it may not work in the same form that it took in the 20th century (certainly the days of meatspace mass-paramilitary movements are long gone) but I think that the ideas are the most sound ones that have yet been developed. Carl Schmitt is still the gold standard of jurisprudence for a reason.
I don't consider that a one-world government is desirable. I think that every nation under its own variant of fascism is the best way to run the world. For that reason I appreciate non-white fascists like the Ba'athists nearly as much as the 20th century European fascists.
>ELI5 what fascism is
In a moment.

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Oh, shut up, cocklord.

I just don’t get it. I’m a white male of 20 years, and I adore my life and every single person in it. And I’m not even jerking off to the Bible.

I feel like y’all got left behind even though I was the one that was supposed to. I wasted away online being edgy and thinking niggers were taking over the world and women were laughing at me.

Instead of wallowing at the “destruction” of the world, which isn’t the destruction of the world but really the impossibility of your idea of what the world should be for YOU (not your race/nation/religion btw; your ideology is really only ever about you).. instead of all that, you could breathe again. You could say “I literally do not care about immigration” and go back to your job. And you could raise your family, if you so choose, or travel the fucking world without this cloud of “woe is me and my race :(“ hanging over your stupid heads.

And before you hurl the “I CANT DO THAT IF NIGGERS ARE RAPIN MY DAUGHTER” at me, that’s a fair point, if I actually believed that any of my own loved ones were in daily danger of being sexually assaulted by a brown person. Really that danger comes from anyone, everywhere they go.

tl;dr you don’t have to be unhappy, you assholes. stop fucking my jam up. tired of hearing about Brexit or Mueller. it’s all shit that nobody will ever need ever.

Well I wrote it because I’m right.

And you know I’m right. And that’s what’s so fucked up about the world right now.

Everyone has a conscience. I can’t carry your burden, brother. You need to get your identity back, and you need to come back into society.

Read a history book, retards

Hi I am an anarcho-syndicalist and I am not interested in talking politics but am interested displacing your parasitism as a non-productive element in the syndicate

Why do you post a picture of the most incompetent facist?

In my view, fascism refers to an
>illiberal
>nationally-focused
>corporatist/syndicalist
>palingenetic
government. That is to say an authoritarian, or at least not parliamentary, government that works to coordinate the economic and social life of the nation for the sake of its renovation and improvement. In the United States that would probably include policies such as
>higher corporate taxes
>more social programs
>stringent border enforcement
>stronger scrutiny on the media
>protectionism
>pro-family policies
>more money into infrastructure
and so forth. I think that ideally the economy would be organized into syndicates/unions so that workers had more barganing power with their employers.

You're gay lol

Okay liberal enabler

>I don't consider that a one-world government is desirable
I understand. But please consider how "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer" could benefit the human species over time as a whole, both in terms of resource allocation and in general well being, in comparison to one where nations and races compete with each other and threaten to destroy each other with weapons that can destroy all life on the planet.
Take care friend.

And if you don’t want to listen, go ahead.

Be unhappy. Be quasi-intellectual faggots with antisocial tendencies and failed lineages.

But I’m going to go outdoors, spend time helping my fellow man, and I’m going to smile every fucking day.

yes I am

NOT

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

What is your political agenda?

>liberal enabler
wtf does it even?
go sit in the corner user-kun

Is this what a deradicalization attempt looks like?
Electorally? I don't believe anyone is espousing a good path forward. The system inherently produces unserious people with unserious solutions. Therefore the best thing to do right now is vote for things that will either
a) benefit you and yours
or
b) cause greater instability

In other words, Yang Gang 2020.

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Anarcho-anything is gay and so was Catalonia, in the modern day you're all a bunch of crypto-liberals
National Syndicalism is cool though

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>In my view...
I suppose on paper that all sounds good, but I've always been wary of pro-corp policies. And how does being corporatist *and* raising corporate tax work together? One last thing, I can definitely see where the idea of one central identity that everyone has would be appealing, but humans just don't work that way. You would need serious psychological conditioning to remove inherent tendencies to form groups within groups.
Then again I could just not understand and be talking out of my ass.

Black here and sort of support of the Nazi Ideology. Here's proof. Also, I know the timestamp shit. Read it upside down.

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Oh, sorry, I wasn't clear. In fascist parlance, "corporatist" refers to the organization of all of society into corporate groups: think guilds, or unions for other things than labor. I'm very much against tailoring public policy to the benefit of joint-stock corporations, especially transnational ones.
>One last thing, I can definitely see where the idea of one central identity that everyone has would be appealing, but humans...[have] inherent tendencies to form groups within groups.
That's true. On an international scale the corporate group of interest is the nation, but within the nation there are smaller groups, that the state has to act as the coordinator and dispute-resolver for so the nation can act cohesively and harmoniously.

Think of a fasces: the nation is the axe, the rods are the groups that make it up, and the state is the tie that holds it together.

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>read this piece of literature reinforcing the neoliberal elite's official narrative that justifies literally everything theyved done goy

There are good histories. Even liberal ones are useful if you read them with a critical eye, but you should always do that anyway.

Thanks for explaining! TIL. Another question while you're answering for free: with all political power condensed into one person/small entity, how do you prevent a corrupt government? Assuming people tend to be greedy, what's to stop the head of state from amassing more power and wealth without some form of check and balance system?

>random policies
>no metaphysical framework
hit the books nigger.
>nietzche
>evola
>hegel
>schopenhauer
before we do something, we must know something.

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no. This is hardly deradicalization. But as a professional deradicalizer I’ll tell you, it’s a pretty long process and you’ll never truly see the end coming. That’s the point.

It’s just a bunch of talks. You get to know us, we get you back in touch with a productive purpose. Or whatever it is you lack in life.

You’re basically holding yourself hostage and the antisocial tendencies are your cry for h— I mean, “advertisements” that something is wrong. And the best hostage negotiators know that above all else, you need to access the true needs and motives of a kidnapper, not his demands.

I know I’m not going to change anyone’s life by writing all of this, but it’s like fapping. You’ve just done it so often why quit now?

Actual fascist here. Tell me, who invented fascism?

>just be happy
>nothing better can be achieved or created

>national syndicalism
>national socialism but gayer and unnecessarily convoluted economic policy

saved to use as future copypasta

>spacing
>smugness
who could be behind this post

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I'm pretty sure Mussolini created Fascism. Then later got executed and lynched by his own people. Not really sure too lazy to go in-depth to it.

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fascism is an organic ideology based upon a fusion of biology, metaphysical will and revolutionary politics. there is no inventor of fascism because fascism is a methodology of meritocracy, progress and darwinism. tell me, who invented the dream of creating a better world? who invented the drive of a man to be the best that he can be? who invented a groups right to self determination and existence?

Well, the classical fascist answer is that the leader should be the representative of the will of the nation: in other words the legitimating force of popular sovereignty is ascribed to the Leader-figure (i.e. Mussolini). But I think that's rather too mystic for you so I'll just note that in Mosley's proposal for British fascism the corporations are given votes and that's the formal mechanism by which the leader is selected or deposed. Like if the state legislatures in the US appointed the President, kind of.
Sounds gay dude. Sorry Picciolini, I'm not the way I am because I'm unhappy. I just actually like the ideas.
Mussolini with Gentile's help, formally, but the ideas came out of Sorel and Maurras imo
At least it's not ansyn.

>leader representative of the will of the nation
yes. this is the Hegelian conception of the state- as a manifestation of the collective will of the people, focused on a single point of the spear- a leader.

I hear many fascists say they're opposed to both capitalism and socialism, and want a "third position" economic system. Can you explain what that means?

God you are such a fucking faggot

>Well, the classical fascist answer...
This has been really interesting to talk about, thanks OP for shedding some light on something I didn't know anything about.

Okay, this is an important question, and I can't be arsed to read through the whole thread to see if it was asked.

How do YOU define fascism?

Like, you aren't talking about an idealized version of fascism, right?

the third position is a rejection of the economic paradigm dichotomy that is put forth by the liberal ontology as well as what has been reinforced by institutions such as the state. it is the organic fusion of the best of both worlds, so to speak. most people are actually third positionists without identifying because pragmatism is rational. how many hammer and sickle communists and ancaps have you actually met in your life?

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Shit, someone already asked. I rescind my question.

Against both the worship of money and exploitation of the lower classes that capitalism pushes, but also against the total levelling of all societal order that communists espouse. However I think that libertarians and communists are people with incomplete understandings of the world: misguided but not inherently bad. Neoliberals, as a "third position in negative," are the only genuinely -bad- political actors.

Fascists desire a hierarchical (as nature requires) but equitable (as humanity dictates) society.

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>can't be arsed to read through the whole thread to see if it was asked
>43 posts
unironically kys

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Really wouldn't care to be part of the reign. At least I'm valuable to someone at the end of the day.

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No, the fascist government was invented by the etruscans who were wiped out by the romans who then adopted fascism. The true inventor was a greek slave who told a story about how a child can snap twigs individually but the strongest soldier can't snap the united bundle. Fasco is italian for bandage, which hold the twigs together. United we stand, divided we fall is the beginning and end of fascism, the rest it is just you trying to put yourself into the ideology.

So a mixture of both? If so, what elements of capitalism and socialism do you support, and which ones are you against?
I understand that third position means you don't believe in the capitalist/socialist dichotomy, but I wasn't sure about the practical details of the economics of a fascist state.

Why don't you post this crap on /pol/ ?

Oh, shut up, cocklord.

I just don’t get it. I’m a white male of 20 years, and I adore my life and every single person in it. And I’m not even jerking off to the Bible.

I feel like y’all got left behind even though I was the one that was supposed to. I wasted away online being edgy and thinking niggers were taking over the world and women were laughing at me.

Instead of wallowing at the “destruction” of the world, which isn’t the destruction of the world but really the impossibility of your idea of what the world should be for YOU (not your race/nation/religion btw; your ideology is really only ever about you).. instead of all that, you could breathe again. You could say “I literally do not care about immigration” and go back to your job. And you could raise your family, if you so choose, or travel the fucking world without this cloud of “woe is me and my race :(“ hanging over your stupid heads.

And before you hurl the “I CANT DO THAT IF NIGGERS ARE RAPIN MY DAUGHTER” at me, that’s a fair point, if I actually believed that any of my own loved ones were in daily danger of being sexually assaulted by a brown person. Really that danger comes from anyone, everywhere they go.

tl;dr you don’t have to be unhappy, you assholes. stop fucking my jam up. tired of hearing about Brexit or Mueller. it’s all shit that nobody will ever need ever.

More pro-labor policies, more unionization, more protectionism, higher taxes on transnational capital. Fascism is fairly economically left for the American milieu; its rightism comes more from its social views and its espousal of hierarchy in society. If you want a quick and dirty idea, think: the Nordic states, but less gay.

the practical details are highly dependent on the group taking a third position approach. so for example, a fascist movement rising in the northwest of the american continent will look vastly different than one compose of nordic people sweden. however, the commonality is the organic nature of the policies, and their ability to be subject to change on a whim. the fascist state doesnt crystallize into unchanging ideology, such as that of a constitutional state.

This is also true.

no. This is hardly deradicalization. But as a professional deradicalizer I’ll tell you, it’s a pretty long process and you’ll never truly see the end coming. That’s the point.

It’s just a bunch of talks. You get to know us, we get you back in touch with a productive purpose. Or whatever it is you lack in life.

You’re basically holding yourself hostage and the antisocial tendencies are your cry for h— I mean, “advertisements” that something is wrong. And the best hostage negotiators know that above all else, you need to access the true needs and motives of a kidnapper, not his demands.

I know I’m not going to change anyone’s life by writing all of this, but it’s like fapping. You’ve just done it so often why quit now?

Oh, sorry, I wasn't clear. In fascist parlance, "corporatist" refers to the organization of all of society into corporate groups: think guilds, or unions for other things than labor. I'm very much against tailoring public policy to the benefit of joint-stock corporations, especially transnational ones.
>One last thing, I can definitely see where the idea of one central identity that everyone has would be appealing, but humans...[have] inherent tendencies to form groups within groups.
That's true. On an international scale the corporate group of interest is the nation, but within the nation there are smaller groups, that the state has to act as the coordinator and dispute-resolver for so the nation can act cohesively and harmoniously.

Think of a fasces: the nation is the axe, the rods are the groups that make it up, and the state is the tie that holds it together.

What is your political agenda?

You're wrong but ok

how many jews died then, passive aggressive faggot?

Very informative. If I'm not mistaken, you believe in private property and trade, but with much more regulations than pure capitalism as seen in Ayn Rand novels?
The economics of a fascist state would change based on the needs of the state then? Also, how much would two fascist groups having different economic positions conflict with each other?

the conflict would be absolute until one took full control. i have observed a leader taking it into his own hands to consolidate the ideological framework of the state. this has been seen numerous times, from the internal strife of the NSDAP culminating in the night of long knives, to the various ideological subgroups of the nationalist front during the spanish civil war 1936.

I disagree. Isn't it funny how the central question of fascism to you is how many people of another ethnic group fascists were responsible for the death of a hundred years ago?
Yes, that's a fair characterization. There are certain fascists that are against private property in total (the National Bolsheviks come to mind) but on the whole, we aren't against that. The market and private ownership of property are tools that we can use to create a better society, just like nationalization and unionization, not ends in themselves.
>two fascist groups having different economic positions conflict with each other?
There are usually leftist (more revolutionary, friendlier to the workers) and rightist (more reformist, friendlier to traditional elites) factions in a fascist party. Ideally that interplay leads to a compromise (Italy and Spain) sometimes it unfortunately leads to intraparty strife (Germany).

In real life do you have a lot of problems woth people refsing to debate you? I know a lot of people probably think fascists aren't worth having civil discussions with.
Anyway, my question would be what is your opinion about eugenics? I can see both sides. I think the idea that individual rights have to be given up for the collective is a line of thinking that can be used to justify hate speech laws, gun control, "social justice," etc. On the other hand, I don't deny thant it would benefit humanity in the long term. I could support it if the people were sterilized but not killed. Also I think there would have to be clear evidence your genes are bad, I don't trust governments to not just use it on people they don't like. My genetics are actually pretty terrible, and I long ago decided I don't want to pass them on.

What do you think of Donald Trump? Anything you strongly agree or disagree with him on?

hello buzzfeed

I don't have too much of a problem with it. I like to think that a lot of people are fascists and they just don't realize it. If you're honest and straightforward about your ideas people will listen.

As to eugenics: I think you have to balance humanity and rationality. Aktion T4: probably a little too far. Testing fetuses for genetic defects: something worth considering. I have high hopes for the eugenic potential of gene editing as well.
I used to be a big fan, but I've lost interest. He's clearly not able to deal with the problems this country faces. Talks a good game on immigration and anti-war, but does almost nothing else right. Even the talk is taking a bad turn.

Jet engines weren't a new concept just like quantum computing or machine learning isn't new. It's getting it to be cost effective that's hard.

>camps with guards
They needed to repress occupied territories too retard, shit didn't just magically happen.