The best proof that homosexuality and bisexuality are deliberate choices, not natural sexual orientations...

Also same-genetic twins studies have proven it'd possible for them to have different sexualities despite having the same genetics

>A study showed that homosexuality is caused by hormone exposure in the womb.

Any source of that study?

How do we determine that said hormone exposure isn't natural if it happens to every animal in the planet? How can we rule it out as "a defect" rather than a natural response to a natural occurrence?

Stop it you stupid nigger. I think giraffes are cool. Don't ruin something else that I liked.

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It does though, and fishes are not even on the examples the APA uses. Although not long-term homosexual relationships, up to 19% of mallards can have occasional homosexual activities, for example.

Homosexuality is a choice and they reproduce through child abuse

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They all go back to women after

What's your point?

That's a nice assumption Bob, but I wasn't abused as a child and I'm gay as a whistle.

That they aren't homosexuals, they just want to fuck something. Where a homosexual would just want to fuck a man regardless.

Idk man, I’ve watched a shit ton of lesbian porn trying to get it up but it just won’t. But when I see a cock I get hard immediately

It's a choice, dumbass. They wouldn't choose to fuck men if it wasn't.

Interesting

Try harder.

That sounds like a projection. I can't stand vaginas, they're ugly, and boobs? Ugh, no thanks.

He can't keep getting away with it

who?

They choose to fuck men because there are no women around. After prison, they go back to women. The only way what you are saying would hold up is if they only wanted to fuck men after prison.

Then I hope you don't like penguins :v

Are you retarded?

No, are you?

Then what did what I said have to do with you?

human sexuality develops alongside the personality

its a building process

Again
Same-genetics twins studies have proven they could have different sexual orientations despite having the same genetics

faggotry is a genetic disorder

Homosexual activity has nothing to do with sexual desire.

I beg to differ

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Nigger what?

It's an expression of extreme antisocial feelings, not sexual desire. No man has real sexual or romantic feelings for another man.

Lol okay, that explains the boners that gay guys get when they check out dude right?

Yes

My nigga, how naive can you be?

Animal sexuality is different from human sexuality. Animal copulate only for reproduction. The female in heat releases chemicals that sexually attract the male. So homosexuality in animals would be like how a male would be immune to such chemicals. So no comparison to human sexuality

How am I naive?

>So homosexuality in animals would be like how a male would be immune to such chemicals. So no comparison to human sexuality

That's retarded, immunity to such chemicals wouldn't do anything to the animal; why would they engage in sexual activities?

you just went full retard

Humans are animals

Here's the deal, chump: no one cares what you think or write, and no one with any sense will give a rat's ass whether or not you call whatever behavior I do - or anyone else - gay, bi, perverted, whatever. No one cares and it's none of your business. And if you try and stop me, very bad things would happen to you and those you loved. That's the truth. Tough shitsky.

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How do you know there is no sexual desire if you're not a homosexual man yourself? You're spouting garbage you don't know about, of course it's naive.

You aren't naive, you're an idiot

I just stated a harsh truth.

Based on nothing, so it's only true in your retarded mind

There is no such thing as a homosexual man.

It's objectively false

Just because you say so, or you have proof of that? Because I know I have proof of the contrary, starting with myself

My dubs confirm that fags are gay

Men who like penis tend to be homosexual

Yeah, others just suck a dick and say "no homo", so that means they're not gay

that's pretty gay of you to say

No homo is mainly a joke

That's how animals copulate, through chemicals releasing. For a male animal to be "homosexual", it would have to be immune to such chemicals, otherwise you would have a bisexual male

Look at how gay people behave. I've seen these people driven to drug addiction, a criminal lifestyle, even acts of murder. And the saddest thing is, those people, those who didn't make it through, are all facing eternity in hell. Now, eternity can be a very hard thing for the human mind, especially those who haven't used LSD and seen how time can just stretch on and on. So, think about that.

of course its a choice. and its immoral and unnatural. anyone claiming its natural has their heads up their asses

>implying men exist who actually like penis

A male immune to female chemicals, but naturally vulnerable to male chemicals? Who is to say that doesn't happen to humans as well? We're animals.

So are you for not worshiping my god.

ho males don't release chemicals

what?

It's because everyone secretly wants to get fucked by that BBC and prison is the best place to get it.

It's what everyone wants, especially you OP.

Think about it.

>it's common knowledge

>I've seen these people driven to drug addiction, a criminal lifestyle, even acts of murder.

Social rejection causes a lot of issues in the development of a person, but you're describing a part of homosexuality that only occurs in places where drugs are a big influence and a big problem.

>And the saddest thing is, those people, those who didn't make it through, are all facing eternity in hell.

According to one of the dusty books your pastor gave you? History of men is bigger than that.

You face eternal punishment for not having faith in my god.

Then I only like men, no chemicals needed? That makes it even more romantic and less rigged if you ask me :)

>Social rejection causes a lot of issues in the development of a person
Gays are promoted as better in the mainstream culture now so shut up.
>According to one of the dusty books your pastor gave you? History of men is bigger than that.
Most men throughout history were degenerates. I've never set foot in a church in my life, most are full-on fag propaganda factories now.

Damn are you really that stupid or are you acting?

Animal sexuality is different from human sexuality. Animals copulate through chemical releasing. So there is no homosexualism in animals. And even if there was homosexualism in animals it couldn't be compared to humans because humans don't copulate through chemicals releasing.

Homosexualism is NOT genetic.

>Gays are promoted as better in the mainstream culture now so shut up.

Where? Whoever claims that is as retarded as you.

>Most men throughout history were degenerates.

Like who? Who is the judge of degeneracy, yourself?

Come on, this has to be bait

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>Animal sexuality is different from human sexuality. Animals copulate through chemical releasing. So there is no homosexualism in animals.

A guy typing "homosexualism" is calling me stupid lol.

There is homosexuality in the animal kingdom, and we're comparable to animals, because we are animals, chemicals do play a role in our attraction, doesn't means we can't get a hard on with images.

I am a male and I find some males attractive enough to have sexual encounters with them
I admit I chose this, i wasn’t born gay and it’s really fucking hard for me to believe anyone has
You seriously wanted to fuck males when you were 5 years old? Did you became gay because you had passionate love for your own sex or just because some stupid shit like “I hate the opposite gender” or “I think it’s cool” or “I have a trauma with the opposite gender”
Many of the lgbt community are what they are because of that 3 reasons, not because they truly love it, that makes really hard to believe being lgbt is not just a decision

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if all that lbgtq+ shit was natural, you would be able to reproduce asexually, and you can't, i don't see how you need any more proof then that

>I don't know how to use google, the post.

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you failed biology, didn't you?

Natural doesn't mean you pass on genetic material.

OR!!! Or... The prison rape myths are overblown and there are actually just gay and bi gangsters in jail doing all the raping...

Or, well even go a step further... Men have mega sex drives and the idea of no sex with a woman for 25 years is daunting AF and causes extreme sexual frustration which leads to off behaviour..

OR!! What feeds into the previous point.... Kinsey in his massive survey of millions of Americans was right...that no one is straight or gay and everyone's on a spectrum of 1-10, 1 being pretty much straight 10 being more or less gay

And that in depriving sexual contact with women men's gayness comes out more.

Now that you mention it, yes, I wanted to be close to a male friend of mine when we were like 6 years old; it was all playful and innocent until I hit puberty and started getting fantasies about that friend. Sadly, he was not gay, but I accepted my homosexuality at that early age; I never once looked at a girl and felt attracted the same way I did to men; I had a massive crush on Val Kilmer when I was like 14.

>Where? Whoever claims that is as retarded as you.
Every TV show, movie, etc. You can get fired now for thinking sodomy is distasteful.
>Like who?
The ones who engaged in homosexual acts or refused to condemn homosexual acts.
>Who is the judge of degeneracy, yourself?
Do I seriously need to explain to you why the people who invented "fisting" are degenerate?

Lets talk about Gay bowel syndrome and how fucked up their anuses become after years of abuse. Most gays die in their 50’s. Very natural. :D

It would be cool if people just minded their own business. If you're not gay, don't worry about them. If you're gay don't worry about the straights. Mind your own fucking business.

its natural user, but you know that nature can be disgusting, like fags

HOMOSEXUALITY BETWEEN MALES IS DISGUSTING

BUT BETWEEN GOOD LOOKING FEMALES IT IS KINDA OKAY

>Every TV show, movie, etc. You can get fired now for thinking sodomy is distasteful.

What does that have to do with anything though? Retarded ideologies or agendas are a thing, do you think every gay person on the planet agrees with being put on a pedestal? All the old school LGBT wanted was equality.

>The ones who engaged in homosexual acts or refused to condemn homosexual acts.

Like who?

>Do I seriously need to explain to you why the people who invented "fisting" are degenerate?

Do I seriously need to explain to you that fisting is practiced by straight people as well?

HOMOSEXUALITY
>enter cruising bathroom
IS
>gets pozzed
NATURAL
>gets fisted
AND
>rectum prolapses
NORMAL

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>What does that have to do with anything though? Retarded ideologies or agendas are a thing, do you think every gay person on the planet agrees with being put on a pedestal? All the old school LGBT wanted was equality.
They have more than equality now they want to shove it down our throats.
>Like who?
Pagan Europe comes to mind.
>Do I seriously need to explain to you that fisting is practiced by straight people as well?
Some straights are degenerate but all gays are degenerate.
See

Being gay is not a choice &
you aren't doing a very good job of hiding your latent homosexuality OP

>They have more than equality now they want to shove it down our throats.

Define "they", because all I've said is that homosexuality is natural, which evidence was used by the APA and the LGBT to push gay marriage; if you're taking those facts as being "shoved down your throat" then that's your problem; do you feel the same when someone says creationism is bullshit and the Earth is older than 6 thousand years?

>Pagan Europe comes to mind.

Such as?

>Some straights are degenerate but all gays are degenerate.

Absolutes are the language of the ignorant.

Said every virgin without self-esteem

Oh yeah forgot about rectal prolapse! Thats a good one. All those leaky shits. Feces falling out of their assholes without any control. Crying with a dick in their ass because they’ve been brainwashed to believe they were born that way. Being proud of how well they can destroy their own anus with another mans pecker. Marching naked in the streets to demand acceptance of their mentally ill obcession with having cocks in their mouths and asses. Pretending to be married. Lul. Cleaning the shit of their peckers with each others mouths. Fuckin sick. You people want to convince the world it isnt your choice to sick your dick in another mans anus? Be a “bottom?” Ya the fuck right. That lgbt community is fuckly fucked. Huge campaigns targeted at preventing rampant promiscuity, drig abusr, and alcoholism. You want to tell me that shit is normal?? Fuck you. You’ll sad. You’re fucking sad. You fuckers need to man up (lulz) and admit to yourself that you wouldn’t wish your lifestyle on any child. Fuckers.

NO IT IS JUST COMMON SENSE

user most people don't even think about being homo. It seems to disturb you more.

That's some tough talk coming from a faggot, good thing your kind will have a very short period of dominance in western society, demographics are changing and with that shift comes a shift in attitudes.

So you watched some example in some anti-gay brainwashing video and think that's how all gay people roll? Do you also believe the holocaust is a lie after reading /pol/ for 10 minutes?

The best proof is that even though gay people exists, even they don't wanna fuck you

Creationism isn't being taught in public schools (where I live at least)

>Be homosexuality
>Occur at a rate of about 2%

>Be jail.
>Thousands of inmates

>Some inmates are statistically guaranteed to be actually gay.

>Gay prison rape at a vaguely undetermined rate happens.

>Be you
I have PROOF!!!!

you fucking tool.

Humans do copulate by chemicals, "love" as we know it is in fact nothing more than a chemical reaction in the brain a dopamine rush, that's why so many relationships end in disaster.

YEAH I AM SO DISTURBED BECAUSE I'M SECRETELY MALE FAGGOT RIGHT? THAT MUST BE IT

What a leap!

Because creationism is a lie; homosexuality is not. Am I Okay with homosexuality being explained and encouraged to be accepted in sex-ed to teenagers? Yes, definitely. Am I Okay with it being encouraged in class to pre-pubescent kids? No, of course not.

l referred to chemical released by females in heat so the male would be attracted by the smell

Creationism and homosexuality are both lies.
Nice job admitting you want gay propaganda forced on teenagers

Homosexuality is a lie? Damn I must be fictional then! I better call my boyfriend and tell him we're straight now.

Information is not propaganda, do you have any proof that it's not just information what is given in the high schools? Create your case, but don't assume gay people are OK with railing teenagers into homosexuality.

As no one was born born homosexual, homosexualism doesn't really exist

All cats are gay. They are the fags of the animal kingdom.

>As no one was born born homosexual

Any proof of that? I had a crush on several male actors when I was a kid, even before puberty.

You’re a gay pedophile

You’re saying that a child (you) want cock in your ass from adult men. You’re pushing pedo agenda.

If that's what you take from that, that's your problem, and a very disturbing problem.

My older sister had a crush on the Backstreet Boys when she was like 10, does that mean she's pushing pedophilia as well?

Jesus, your logics are delusional beyond help.

It's not that you are fictional, you aren't really gay.

According to you? Ok then

Having sex with a man doesn't make you really gay. It's like the people in prison. There must be some other factor.

People from prison seek sexual relief, they have no more options for it; I do it on my own will, having the option to go for a woman, I prefer men. Your argument has no leg to stand on.

This

Maybe you have some trauma that made you this way?

So why do free men, with an abundance of women, still chose to engage in homosexuality? You didn't follow your logic through.

Then that's another thing altogether - if you're going to switch to the trauma argument, then you must concede that homosexuality it's not a conscious attraction.
Assuming you're the OP or subscribes to their argument, of course.

>is not
fixed

because men are easier and men understand how men feel.

Trauma could make you afraid of women, for example, so you choose men.
I don't see how it makes it not a choice.

Sure, 'cause it's the only way that could happen right? I was raised by both of my parents, have two siblings and was raised catholic but barely practiced it. I just like men, what's so weird about it? It happens in the animal kingdom, and I can't tell you why it happened to me, but I have no problems with it.

That study does not show life long homosexual tendencies, only temporal homosexual behavior. Only a tiny subset of animals have EVER displayed life long homosexual behavior, and of those, ALL of them had severe neurological problems.

>I just like men, what's so weird about it?
Rectal prolapse, HIV/AIDS, incontinence, I could go on.

And how is that an argument for being gay is a choice? Shouldn't nearly every man be gay, then? Would make it easier to date a bro than date a thot, right?

>I don't see how it makes it not a choice.
Then you don't understand how fears or traumas work. Do you think that, for example, people with an extreme fear of spiders are conscious about how they should fear near a spider? As in, "oh look a spider, it's time to go apeshit!"
Or people who perhaps were bullied as kids, do you think that they chose to act like assburgers and autists?

You can make a lot of arguments against the LGBTQIIAA++++ movement (and I would certainly subscribe to those), but picking "gay is a choice" is literally a one-way ticket to not be taken seriously by anyone with an IQ over 3 digits.

Long-term homosexual relationships are considered a rarity in most species (up to 8%), occasional homosexual activities are much more common, repetition holds up to 19% in mallards, for example. Homosexual relationships are homosexual relationships, and some animals are more gay than human beings, so.

>Rectal prolapse
>incontinence
Terrible arguments. You could have even argued about hemorrhoids, but those you said are literally just the same arguments spewed by American Protestants that are not based on anything.
And even then - so what? It's their anus that's getting thrashed. As long as they don't want you to pay for a surgery to rebuild their assholes, it shouldn't matter much.

>HIV/AIDS
This one I can understand though, and respect your argument. It's a contagious disease and western gay culture promotes a certain lifestyle that takes too lightly this and other threats to individual and public health.

I'll risk trying to bring something into your attention though. Some gays are also affected by this devious culture. Would you like to hear more?

Homosexuality is older than the bible.. fuck off reject.

If your mom was even half smart she would’ve swallowed.

Correct

So you are gay but against gay culture?

Human sexuality is different from animal sexuality. Animals copulate only for procreation, and it is done through chemicals releasing. The female in heat releases chemicals to attract the male by the smell. So how could homosexualism be insert in this process? even if it could, it couldn't be compared to humans

That's only gay culture in dug-driven shit holes and big cities where everyone is fucked up; you're just too stupid to realize that.

>Human sexuality is different from animal sexuality.

Citation needed.

It is a choice in many cases. ln other cases, it was developed. Since sexual orientation is mainly subconscious, one would say they didn' lt choose. But it is nor genetic or inherent

Lol, animals don't copulate for pleasure honey. google it

>So you are gay but against gay culture?
Logic is more important than the sexuality of who is making the argument, but yes, I am.
Gay culture is literally the reason that I, someone who cannot be identified immediately as homosexual, am hated by liberals for being a traitor to their ideology *and* by conservatives for merely existing and being tossed in with those disgusting faggots in gay pride parades.

For the record, my childhood was free of any sexual abuse.

I won't even get in the argument of how it exists in nature, but now you're changing things a bit. What you are saying is that just like some gay people can try and force themselves to be straight and date women (like I tried to do so for a while in my teenage years), there are straight people who may be just curious, confused, or even attempting to virtue signal. That still doesn't confirm that being gay is a choice for most cases, or a result of abuse.

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Being gay is a choice or as I refer to it a preference. I feel like the word choice was used against gays a lot in the past so they say they never had a choice and we just never corrected them.

Logically being born homosexual does not work. If you follow basic logical premise: if we were born to like the same sex then you would like all of the same sex, but no individual likes all of any one sex, therefore you cannot be born with a sexual orientation.

To elaborate on this, if I were born to like women then wouldn't it make sense that I'd have to like all women, but that's not true. I like slutty Asians with hairy pussies that are will do anal, so I am either born liking slutty Asians with hairy pussies that like to do anal or I developed a preference. Some men develop a preference to fuck other men but not all men just particular men they find attractive, so therefore you can't be born gay, but rather you develop a preference for being gay for particular men.

This is a particular version of the existential fallacy known in formal logic.

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"Google it", yeah because the responsibility of backing up claims falls on whoever is reading those claims.

>won't even get in the argument of how it exists in nature
since animals copulate for reproduction and through chemical releasing you have no point

>but now you're changing things a bit. What you are saying is that just like some gay people can try and force themselves to be straight and date women (like I tried to do so for a while in my teenage years), there are straight people who may be just curious, confused, or even attempting to virtue signal
it could be a choice bc anyone could experiment it and like it. simple lije that.But if not a conscious choice it would be the result of a building process. Never a biological condition

>since animals copulate for reproduction
As I said I won't go to deep in the biology argument, but e.g. males lions occasionally have gay sex as a form of asserting dominance over other males. It's just an example of how sex is not only for reproduction on nature.

But I would like to point you this:
>it could be a choice bc anyone could experiment it and like it. simple lije that.But if not a conscious choice it would be the result of a building process.

Now you've got the right argument: acting on the homosexual desire is a choice. No one *accidentally* gets on grindr, sets up a date and proceeds to get fucked.
See, it's a subtle difference: having an attraction is many times an unconscious process (whether biological or not - doesn't matter for this argument), but deciding to act upon this attraction *IS* a choice.

Here I am, a gay guy helping you refine your arguments against homosexuality. It's a crazy world.

Animals can be mentally ill too.
Animals kill and eat each other every day too does that mean people should as well just because it happened in nature? The reason we're human is we evolved beyond animals

Lol fags btfo because God hates them and they're going to burn in hell after they die an AIDS death

It's a true statement though, but the same can be said of anything; as a man do you need have to have sex with a woman to be heterosexual? No, you are heterosexual.

If I'm gay I get to decide whether or not I will act upon my desires, and there's nothing stopping me from doing so where I live, so why wouldn't I?

>Animals can be mentally ill too.

And animals with mental illnesses are mostly straight, your point?

>Animals kill and eat each other every day too does that mean people should as well just because it happened in nature? The reason we're human is we evolved beyond animals

"HURR ANIMALS EAT DO WE NEED TO EAT?!" - sure dumbass nice argument there. Pretending any of that is comparable to human behavior is retarded.

> e.g. males lions occasionally have gay sex as a form of asserting dominance over other males
then it'd be bisexualism, and still couldn't be compared to human sexuality
>No one *accidentally* gets on grindr, sets up a date and proceeds to get fucked
why not? human sexuality, different from animals, is potentially fluid

> having an attraction is many times an unconscious process
nt biological

>If I'm gay I get to decide whether or not I will act upon my desires, and there's nothing stopping me from doing so where I live, so why wouldn't I?
You're just confirming what I said. That's a matter of individual choice; if someone wishes to act a certain way, it's a matter of choice whether they will act or not on that.

Can you understand this? The keyword here is choice. You don't chose what you're attracted to, but even if you're attracted by the thought of doing something, it doesn't mean you will (or even that you should) act upon it. Someone just simply doesn't wake up and say "okay, I enjoy cocks now". It doesn't happen like this.

See above.

I cannot make this any simpler. Self-responsibility is a conservative value, just keep that in your minds.

>You're just confirming what I said. That's a matter of individual choice;

Acting upon my desires is a choice, that doesn't make homosexuality a choice, are you actually retarded? All actions are choices you make, but that doesn't change who you are.

If you die a virgin, does that mean you were asexual?

> You don't chose what you're attracted to
true to a certain extent, it is subconscious and the result of a psychological development process. but not unchangeable

>Self-responsibility is a conservative value

Also, fuck that, what responsibility do I have to be straight? To whom do I owe my behavior? This is a free country I live in and all men are free.

true

snap azdasl

>but not unchangeable

That has never been proved, the laughable attempts at religious camps that try to "revert" homosexuality are giant dating sites for gay men lol.

Sexuality cannot be changed, you can develop more interests, but never rid yourself of the one you have originally (at least at the time of consciousness after puberty).

Sexuality can be altered by cognition during psycho-sexual development, but it can't be changed completely unless something very important in your life happens; no such thing happens to most men and sexuality develops naturally; I had a very normal (and even boring) childhood and I'm gay.

What about the people who don't just fuck guys in prison, but outside of it? People who are just attracted to guys and not at all to women.

Did you ever choose to be heterosexual?

>What about the people who don't just fuck guys in prison, but outside of it? People who are just attracted to guys and not at all to women.
They have something else motivating them to be gay.
>Did you ever choose to be heterosexual?
Yes.

>They have something else motivating them to be gay.
what?
>Yes.
you're retarded

>They have something else motivating them to be gay.

A claim he has no proof of and is only supported by his opinions.

>>Did you ever choose to be heterosexual?
>Yes.

You can choose to act upon heterosexual principles, not to be heterosexual.

Prove to me you aren't a piece of machinery by telling an amusing anecdote drawn from your own experience.

>what?
beats me
>you're retarded
That's not a very nice thing to say.
>A claim he has no proof of and is only supported by his opinions.
I already told you, the fact that people choose to be gay in certain circumstances and not to be gay in others is the evidence. You can say that isn't enough evidence but that's what I've got.
>You can choose to act upon heterosexual principles, not to be heterosexual.
Those two things are exactly the same, because it's a choice.

you're either trolling or retarded

that's not an argument.

>You can choose to act upon heterosexual principles, not to be heterosexual
one could choose. not everyone develops a clear subconcious sexual orientation (asexualism). even if one did, human sexuality is fluid

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>I already told you, the fact that people choose to be gay in certain circumstances and not to be gay in others is the evidence.

That's no evidence, those people are not gay.

>Those two things are exactly the same, because it's a choice.

If you really can't grasp the concept of "being" and "doing", then I don't know what to tell you man, don't argue with stuff you don't understand.

my god
this thread is violently retarded

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you can have a crush without sexual urges you fucking pervert
kindergarteners kiss each other on the cheek all the time. it's sweet, not sexual.

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This is a typical example of a fallacy that appeals to natural behaviors as being inherently good. Think about our human condition, most of what we are and the things that we value are completely artificial. We craft our world with our intellect and the collective conscience that is culture. The human nature is unexistant or, more than that, artificial, a mere fiction.

>That's no evidence, those people are not gay.
I agree, that's my whole point. Nobody is gay.
>If you really can't grasp the concept of "being" and "doing", then I don't know what to tell you man, don't argue with stuff you don't understand.
Unless you are acting under duress, there is no difference between being and doing.

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>I agree, that's my whole point. Nobody is gay.
Nope, the scope of men you're using are prisoners, using that as a base of any argument is retarded.

>Unless you are acting under duress, there is no difference between being and doing.

Not true; you didn't answer me, if you die a virgin, does that mean you were asexual?

This doesn't prove shit if it's a conscious decision or not because we can't fucking read animal minds.
If you have an intact male of pretty much any animal, he will fuck whatever is available. Male goats will try to fuck castrated male goats, roosters will literally fuck anything they can mount, even inanimate objects.

Oh look its a edge lord

>This doesn't prove shit if it's a conscious decision or not because we can't fucking read animal minds.

You're stumbling with your own logic there; the point is there is no conscious decision on "being" something, you don't choose to be gay; you're getting confused because you can't grasp that part.

>Not true; you didn't answer me, if you die a virgin, does that mean you were asexual?
Functionally yes

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Can’t it be both?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

I can see the case being made that homosexuality can be learned behavior and also something you have no control over. I’ve seen it both ways. Kids I grew up with who were obviously going to be flamers. On the flip side seeing so much dick in porn I find myself curious at times. Or the abused girls turning lesbian.

OP is projectiiiiiiing
Just because you are slowly turning yourself gay because you reject real life connections with females for pornographic fantasies doesn't mean that gay people can't help it. There's an element of choice in most people's lives but it's not unanimous. The question is not down to one of morality - it's ultimately do you want to be able to have children with your partner or not. If you truly weren't gay at all I mean 0% gay, you would not experience anything emotional about homosexuality either positive or negative.

>Functionally yes

Then not acting upon you gay desires only makes you "functionally not gay", not "not gay"..

homosexual tendencies especially in men are caused by trauma. especially childhood sexual abuse

Unfunded

desires can be controlled and changed.

And as I said before, I don't think anyone actually has gay desires.