What are the odds of someone's wife getting pregnant by another man?
Is the idea that happens a red-pill myth, or a reality?
I've also read stories from male strippers who claim some ratchet shit happens on batchlorette parties, often ending in the bride to be getting fucked in front of her friends, etc.
And finally, I've read an article about women who get pregnant on their batchlorette parties.
How much reality is in all of this shit?
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10 to 15%
You mean, 10-15% that one of the children will be by another man, or 10-15% per child?
Mostly myth, but there are always going to be those scenarios that perpetuate the myth. Sure, there are probably some women out there in the world that were having an affair and subsequently got pregnant.
I've heard some stories about bachelorette parties, one on my mind came from my ex. She went to one where the bride's older aunt licked whipped cream off the stripper's abs, but the rest of the ladies (particularly the younger, hotter ones) were apprehensive to touch the dude. Also, if he worked out banging the bride while on the clock, that's prostitution.
Not very likely at all. Women in general are quite loyal to the ones they love and marriage is the pinnacle of love (I know it sounds cheesy ut it is a strong motivator). Also starting something with disloyalty and dishonesty isn't socially acceptable and women are incredibly more socially aware so while a man would fuck a stripper and not think twice women are programmed to subconsciously consider the implications of pregnancy. I'd say the chances are less than 1%. Probably not the answer you wanted but at least it has the virtue of being the truth.
i knocked up someone's wife. she got rid of the problem.
>Also, if he worked out banging the bride while on the clock, that's prostitution.
It's not prostitution if sex is not a promised deal, paid for by the customer.
He comes there to strip, but whatever elsehe does there is his personal choice, not part of the transaction, and therefore legal.
It's really simple stuff.
That's probably how it goes most of the times.
The real question is why would some of them keep it?
>He comes there to strip, but whatever elsehe does there is his personal choice, not part of the transaction, and therefore legal.
I don't know where you're getting your information but you couldn't be more wrong.
Think about it If your example was true then whores would never ever get arrested.
This.
"officer, I went home with him to give him a strip show for $50..what transpired afterwards was our personal choice and not part of the deal"
Would not stand up in any court in any state or country where prostitution is illegal.
The only and main purpose of whites is sex. That's what you pay for. Any other activity will be accessory.
A stripper is paid to strip. Having sex or not depends on everyone's will, and may or may not occur.
It doesn't matter. see
Whores* kek
It's literally how "escorts" work, who are selling sex without selling it.
Meanwhile, the male stripper is not even selling it, shit just gets too wild sometimes.
>Hmm, will this dude accept to fuck the chick after a hot night of mild sexual activities...
Shit like a wife getting pregnant by another man obviously does happen.
But the bachelorette thing I'm not quite sure.
All I know from friends and family who got married is that when the bride goes out, you always send a trusted family member to be the "mom" of the group and make sure no crazy shit goes down and the girls get home safe.
Ok..good point. I need to consider the "escorts" argument..because what you said there is entirely true..I'll need a few minutes...
I don't think that argument refutes anything.
The point here if girl is a stripper or a prostitute. If you are talking 'bout a whore. Indeed. It wouldn't pass on anyone the "mutual agreement sex"
But if stripper... Then it changes..
nope ... as long that money is not exchanged FOR SEX it is personal choice ... I can paid anybody legally to strip for me. If that person decide to have sex with me that is nobody business. They can not nail you for having sex ...just for excepting/paying money for sex
kek
>10 to 15%
Low estimate?
Stats of non-hubby births are crazy high, wifey must really get hungry for strange alpha dick when ovulating
Dude, come on.
Is it really that hard to believe that this shit could happen and go unreported to the police?
I'm not saying it happens often (I literally even asked how often it happens, cuz I wanna know).
Is it hard to believe that when a crazy batchlorette party does happen, girls who wanted this will not call the cops?
Is that too much?
It would be like a guy fucking a hooker, and after he busts a nut he calls the cops.
An example:
In California, escorts are legal. However, the escort industry is highly regulated. Escorts must obtain a special permit that allows them to offer their companionship to the highest bidder. Engaging in sexual conduct in exchange for money is a serious violation of California law. Escorts who have sex with a client on the job will lose their permit and face criminal prostitution charges.
good that DNA testing is cheap now ... instead paying 18 years for somebody's bastard you get out for 100-200$
I think this is probably the best argument I can come up with...I think you still win on this one thought:
>wifey must really get hungry for strange alpha dick when ovulating
Is ovulation really that powerful, or is that another exaggeration of the red-pill community?
10 to 15% of kids are biologically not the father's.....if you never did a DNA test you're retarded.
Also I think police sting operations are what gets them arrested. Obviously the "John" wouldn't call the police on himself.
THAT LITERALLY MEANS THE SAME THING.
Hahaha, you autist.
Paternity evidence suggests high end of 3% of fathers are not the father (not counting those who know). The fucking during a bachelor party is very hard to determine, but 15-20% wouldn't shock me.
The 30% number of kids are not from the dad is from ONE faggot in 1972, Dr Elliot Philipp, who never even published his finding and did no official experiment.
>you always send a trusted family member to be the "mom" of the group
Speaking from experience, the "mother hen" needs to be carefully selected.
Young religious recently married cousin still in the honeymoon phase of her own marriage? Good choice, she'll believe that the bride-to-be should stay true.
Mid-30s never married aunt who's biological clock is ticking hard? She'll be easily directed by whichever one of us gets the short straw and has to jump the grenade to pull her away from the group.
I am not in people republic of CA .... only way to nail you for a prostitution here is that undercover police ask for or offer sex for a money.
You can sell Math lessons for a hour and spend time sucking dick as long you did not say you will suck a dick for money it is hour of math lessons
Sex with a stripper, an escort or a masseuse is considered prostitution and is illegal in all 50 states with a scant few counties allowing it in Nevada.
Lawfag here. All of the arguments so far would honestly be laughed right out of court.
Women are wired by nature to be the most promiscuous when they're ovulating there for quite a few men are raising children that are not their own
I would say a very low percentage of that would happen a week before a wedding though...most of those are probably from loveless or even previous marriages
Yeah, that isn’t correct.
Fucking checked.
lol, look, a cuck.
All hot chicks I've ever known are total sluts who rotate men like cattle. Some they fuck for looks, some for penis size, some for looks and penis size. Mostly for penis size though.
They don't talk about it with cucks like you though.
LMAO
how about this
enjoy a lifetime of bad karma, murderer.
How does it feel? Are you ever afraid of punishment in the afterlife?
True, I was in a rush to bump the thread because it wasn't doing well at that time.
can I have sex with a plumber if i pay him to clean my pipes ???
Thank you. This has been my standpoint on this from the very beginning. The best point the other user made though is that escorts seem to slip through the net..there are many anons here and on other sites that post sex reviews of porn stars that work as escorts so there must be something to his argument..
It's somewhat an exaggeration from basement betamakes. Girls do get super horny during ovulation but unless they are already super slutty, if they have a partner, they're not out there fuckin random dongs.
believing /pol/ shit like this is the sure fire way to set your ass up for a miserable life. Get off the internet, moron.
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No, it's not.
10% chance of at least one of your kids not being yours isn't the same as 10% that each of your kids individually isn't yours.
If you have four kids, the chances of at least one kid that isn't yours in the latter case would actually be 1-0.9^4.
Spoken like a real basement champion who didnt go to college. If you're gonna post shot on the internet kid, you should learn how to make it less obvious that your 16
your life sucks, my dude.
personally the most cheating wives I've seen is after they have one or two kids and the husband is kinda tired of them...or at least isn't interested in them as much as he used to.
So late 20s and early 30s are the biggest whore years. And also early to mid 20s, non-dependent on marriage status. Women know they're gonna hit the wall in their mid 30s so they maximize the slutness in their late 20s early 30s to the max. LOL
>using "cuck" unironically
>All hot chicks I've ever known
yeah, right.. lol
staymad
>lol, look, a cuck.
Fucking hell how the fuck did you draw that extremely unlikely conclusion?!
What he said there is literally the opposite of being a cuck. Are you retarded on under the influence of alcohol/drugs or are you just retarded?
If a well-raised monogamous gf/wife is left alone with a mega Chad during ovulation, how likely is she to fuck him?
I've known 2 or 3. Personally and in depth.
go back to /pol/ you sad little man
he's a /pol/cel.. they never stop thinking about nigger dick and the first word they utter upon waking up is "cuck".
Because if you clearly think that 99% of women are loyal in marriages then you're beyond fucking retarded.
Ask men who are married, ask how loyal their wives are, especially after two years.
After two years is when it really hits the fan and they whore around every chance they get, every time he leaves for a weekend for work, there's some stranger banging his wife in his bed.
Don't be retarded.
woah
powerful
80 to 90%
Wow you win the award for being the stupidest guy on Yea Forums right now. Not a single word of what you wrote there has even a spark of likelihood or truth. I'm glad I'm not the only one that found what you wrote absolutely absurd. honestly you need to review your life choices right now.
lol nah mate. I understand lots of women are loyal after their slut stage. But most women go through an extended period of slut stage, while in an LTR relationship or not.
Some women have few long slut stages in their life.
Isn't that a bit too high?
hurrrrr
whatever floats your load, user.
Nope. If a woman is alone for a few hours with a chad WHILE ovulating, chances are they'll fool around at the very least.
If she spends the night with him or 8 hours or more, 80 to 90% chance.
You won't believe how often hot chicks fuck. Sometimes 3 different guy a day, and they'll come see you after. No joke.
It's fucking disgusting. My ex was out of my league and she was a big whore though, so I'm a bit biased.
But it's been 3 years and she's almost 30, in another long term relationship, still hot, still a big whore. LOL
If a previously loyal and loving wife got fucked by an alpha during ovulation, would that change her personality in any way?
I know some guys would say she'd turn into a cock-starving whore, but that seems too over the top.
>trust me dude! I know about this shit!
jesus fucking shit titty christ lol
Dude, women will tell you this shit themselves, as long as you can handle the truth.
White knights and beta orbiters act like their friends, but when they hear the truth from them, that they're mean as fuck and don't care about the guys they date, they can't handle the truth. They get jealous and shit, and that's when women start lying to them too.
Women lie on autopilot. Believe me. They are very aware that society can't handle their true slutness. They're a bit nuts, all of them. They're definitely way more horny than us too by the way.
If you bothered to even read any of the first 10 posts in this thread you would know that no-one is talking about 2 years in. We're talking about bachelorette parties. In case you don't know: those typically happen a week before the marriage. A time waaaaaay before any of the passion, love and respect has had a chance to fizzle. And even if we were talking 2 years in: for you to assume that that wives wouldn't be loyal means you need to reassess your perspective. Stop fucking posting without knowing what you're talking about.You're making yourself look more and more like a moron with every subsequent post.
sure kid
>White knights and beta orbiters
people who unironically use these terms very seldom has meaningful contact with women
They just keep these relationships separate where guys don't know about the other guys, so they keep a big harem of men in rotation.
The dudes are literally labeled A, B, C, D....like you're ranked bro. If A dude isn't available (big dick alpha, and not all chicks love the big dicks, that's a myth, some chick's vaginas are way tighter than average) then B dude is the hot chad, then there's C dude, that's you....she'll hit you up to come bang when the other two are busy working or banging someone hotter than her.
That's the reality. If you're not alpha, hot, high status, you're at the very least in second or third order.
You guys think this is a conspiracy or some shit, this is reality. No joke.
Women are cunning manipulators.
In graduate school, genetics students typically are taught that 5 to 15% of the men on birth certificates are not the biological fathers of their children.
Source: theatlantic.com
I can't help but read this in a high pitched over eager 12y/o guy's voice
You're ridiculous. I'm 30 fucking years old.
Go watch Red Pill Coach on YouTube, he will clear up the fog in your mind.
I can lead you to the water, I can't make you drink.
woah, this dude seriously has some inside intel.. he must be a real player and shit
Yes, including your mom, she also had a slut stage.
Don't believe me? Ask her. And tell her you'll smack her in the mouth if she bullshits you. Then she will tell you the truth.
>I'm 30 fucking years old
>Go watch Red Pill Coach on YouTube
oh holy fucking shit this better be bait
About the odds of me getting a double
I hope you're being sarcastic.
Checked.
you're trying too hard, kid.
Why are you so concerned? You'll never get to the point where you are getting married.
I hope he is.
Your shitty anecdotal evidence is shit.
>You won't believe how often hot chicks fuck. Sometimes 3 different guy a day, and they'll come see you after. No joke.
maybe you were the problem in the relationship. I wouldn't normally say that to a guy here but honestly you sound like a dick..and that aside Its quite likely you made some fatal mistakes in the relationship or maybe she wasn't right for you..I honestly don't believe she wasn't as much of a slut as you say she was.
You are still wrong. That was why i said you were wrong after you posted that.
I'm not a player. Just tired of women's bullshit and games bruh.
They're all fuckin' retarded. Like 98.5%....if you don't offer anything for them to gain, you are nothing to them. Period.
They're not like men who recognize potential in a friendship, who help people when they're down, who recognize people make mistakes....they have mercy. They literally biologically can't respect weakness.
Not many women have risen above this biological programming in them.
I've been having an affair with my best friend's wife for two years. At first we wore condoms and even when we stopped she wouldn't let me cum in her. Once we broke that rule it took about six months for her to get pregnant the first time (missed a period). It's happened once more since then.
>80 to 90%
This fucking guy man..what a frigging idiot. we get it: she broke your heart (and that's me giving you the benefit of the doubt..in reality you probably fucked it up) but your wild numbers are just bullshit.
This.
Just because I'm writing in a way that's straightforward and efficient means i'm a dick in real life?
Sorry I didn't accommodate to your fragile feelings bro. lol
Yes, I can tell when women are having a good time with me and when they're not. Like when you're having a good time the energy is light and happy and you smile and laugh a lot with each other. Anything else you want me to know about women Mr. Therapist?
Agree wholeheartedly..the kid has issues.
Nah dude. I still talk to my ex even after 3 years. We hang out sometimes when her "current boyfriend" that she's in an LTR with because he has a great union job and is a provider, and pays all her bills, we hang out when he leaves out of town for a job for a week or so.....it's kind of nice.
Let me know when you're leaving out of town too. lol
Do you think any man in the entire world could resist that pussy?
No.
Women know they power they have. They don't need to wait for a "yes". They just stop saying "no".
When the better offer comes along, they wake it. Cuckolding is in their nature. They evolved that way. Their fidelity is guaranteed. Loyalty is irrelevant.
>barebacking in an affair
nigga you dumb as hell
It's hard swallowing the truth, I know.
Your fragile ego won't allow you to process that women are actually not that weak, they're strong and think pathetic emotionally weak men are useless.
Wake the fuck up dummy.
Why else do you think extremely beautiful women act like a total bitch to guys who come up to them all nervous and shit?
Because they can't respect that weakness. That's low level man shit. They don't even consider them men. Real men come up and they own the air around them, they ACT like they are SUPPOSED to be there. There is ZERO nervousness, maybe just a nervous energy of excitement, but never a weak energy.
Boost up your testosterone kid. Do some pushups. Quit drinking soy.
>Sorry I didn't accommodate to your fragile feelings bro. lol
no part of my post conveyed fragility. This is the exact reason why people think you're a dick: you project your own insecurities like a betafag and the one relationship you valued was 100% the other person's fault for being a slut whore..plus the way you generalise "All women"..You're shitty life is not evidence that all women are anything..there are over 4 billion women on the planet and you talk like you're an expert while spouting nonsense and stupidity..honestly you need to stop making yourself look like a mug.
And part of the reason hot women don't respect emotionally weak men is because they bang like slugs in bed.
They are the guys that ask her 10 times every minute, are you okay, does that hurt, is my penis violating you?
When the biggest thing they want is to be violated.
Hope you learn one day, hopefully sooner than later. Retards.
The fact that you find you have to explain yourself to me already notifies me of your fragility. lol
Explaining yourself to a dude over the internet.
I can only imagine how often you fail women's bitch tests. I bet you haven't ever passed one and that's why every relationship you've had has ended with you in the fetal position in a heap of your own tears.
At this point I'm not even reading your posts anymore. I've tried to tell you that women are not what you think they are but you are so stuck in your stupidity that you won't even consider the possibility that you might be wrong. You're beyond help but I hope you find love again someday and you don't fuck it up. Maybe make some friends and listen once in a while (not to youtube woman-haters though). Final thought: Women are here as our companions, happiness in marriage is possible..even for a loser like you.
Her husband, my best friend, is a cuck and even if he ever found out, wouldn't leave her. This whole thing began with all three of us getting drunk and him getting her to give us lap dances while we both jerked off.
There's nothing sweeter in this world than cumming in a girl after a hot and wild fuck. You're going to miss out on all the good things in life by being a pussy, white boy.
So how do I get my wife to cuck me without telling her to?
I've dated about 7 or 8 sluts, and maybe like 2 normal more or less sane chicks. Now they were still insane and narcissistic and controlling in their own ways, but they didn't hop on penises.
So according to my calculations 8/10 hop on penises even while in relationships.
Seems statistically accurate by the way. When you ask guys who have actually dated hundreds of women, they'll say the same thing.
Get real bro. Women aren't saints. They never were.
I know you look at a woman and you see this gentle creature, this feminine energy, and you think how can that kind of beautiful gentle looking person be evil or rotten inside?
But it happens more than you imagine. Some women are rotten to the core and all they care about is their own needs and how they feel. That's it. Just like some evil men.
Women are exactly like us, just more manipulative. That's it. No mercy.
The guys who show them mercy and respect and ouchies are you okay and i feel sorries for you, those are the guys that have ZERO fucking respect for and the guys they use. And I mean ZERO. They CAN'T RESPECT a man like that. Men like that repulse them.
They can only allow men like that to stick their penises inside them for high value dollars. Most of the time $300 or more for half hour.
Forgot to link to the white boy I was replying to
What's your credibility? How do you know so much about women?
Did you read a psychology book in college?
Hahaha!
Love doesn't exist you mongrel. It is a rare occurrence when both you and your woman's values and goals align, or you find a woman with great humility, which is almost impossible in this culture and day and age...and that's like a 1% chance or less.
You sound like a woman. No substance and no credibility. At least the other guy makes some sense. You just make claims but don't back them up.
from an earlier post:
>The fact that you find you have to explain yourself to me already notifies me of your fragility. lol
this is the post you were replying to: Notice that in no part of that post did I "explain myself".
Now if I answer your question:
>What's your credibility? How do you know so much about women?
You'll simply accuse me of explaining myself and then project your fragility onto me again,
For that reason: I'm out. Arguing with a fucking idiot like you is an exercise in pointless futility. I'M OUT.
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No! Please don't leave!
lol
We NEEEEED your beta logic.
You react exactly like a woman does. How are your testosterone levels? Have you ever even checked them?
Look, he's scared to reply to me because he got mindfucked.
Well how do you expect to hold your ground against women if you can't even properly explain yourself to a stranger online?
Boy, you're in for a wild ride with women. Remember my words dummy.
But you seem to talk like a chick, so most likely you're a female or a male with high estrogen. lol
When his women cheats on him and goes fucks around, this guy blames himself. It was his fault for not keeping her satisfied LMAO.
>hurr durr white boy
You know how I know you're white?
New York state law states that no matter who conceives the child the father responsible is the married man.
hahahahahahahhaha. perfect.
sounds like nigger heaven
base odds of pregnancy are 1 in 50, or 2% per instance, considering the entirety of the 28 day menstral cycle. It not so much about who, but when.
Def a reality that some married women want to get pregnant by another man, check out Fetlife. I barebacked some bored housewife who wanted to get pregnant by a big white guy like me. Her short Mexican husband likely was confused as she posted she was pregnant and killed her account like 3 weeks later, but could have been another user for sure.
Also, my crazy ass mom told my dad she needed to separate a bit, then got pregnant. He promptly divorced her but pretty fucked up.
How the fuck is that perfect? Because its a blue state?
Union job. So I get it you are and hang with lower income trash. Yes this is way more common but still not as common as you think.
It is not a myth, I forget the study but they found that in terms of dna most women produced children from 2 men or more and men only with 1. It all has to do with evolutionary biology and how females create the standard for competition.
So yes; not to mention all of the cases on file where the woman Gets Oregon from another dude and the main dude still has to pay Support.
uuuuh 6,000 to 8,000 a month is lower income?
uh okay there millionaire bigshot, what are you doing on Yea Forums?
See, happens all the time.
All the cucks are in major denial.
Likely selection bias. High volume means choosing known or likely sluts. Low IQ and low income groups of women fit this bill. Really not that hard to find sluts if you are looking and they are high percentage options. Good girls do exist they just aren't targeted by the guys landing hundreds. Why expend extra effort when you have a lot of easy options that are easy to find and pretty much identify themselves by the way they dress. It is all economics of time value.
Steve Bannon is a millionaire.
You think he still checks out Yea Forums?
Dont let your girl cheat on you and you wont have that problem you fucking cuck
Honestly yes it is, double or triple that and you are closer. And likely some trashy profession. It is ok. That's your lot in life but you will be stuck with skanks.
Mostly myth I read an article about a study in the UK that found that the poorer you were the more likely that your wife was impregnated by someone else
idk, as Steve
Lots of spare time. Been here for a long time. Has no bearing on my wealth or income.
Yes. Lower income equals lower intelligence generally. Lower intelligence means less self control, more life pressure, and likely more tied to base instinct. Just a fact.
If you think that women only cheat on cucks, you aren't getting pussy and never had it.
They can and do cheat on super hung guys, super cut guys, your fucking porn stud wet dream - they can and will cheat on him too.
If you don't handle the emotional component with women properly they will cheat on you regardless of the size of your dick, unless you work it extremely well. Then you can have a nice relationship with a ton of resentment but some hot fucking.
because the richer you are the more important status is to you?
also higher education = birth control
Bump
Do you guys think women feel guilty about doing this, or do they feel it's a normal thing?
Do they even thinik of who's the father?
Like, they may leave it out of their awareness, because they don't give a fuck.
The ability to get studies done for it is super difficult
The studies that have been done conclude somewhere between 5-10% of all births
Women are literally built to cuck men
You poor poor stupid bastards
It’s literlaly 1/10
In most of Europe it’s literally illegal
I’ve been banging this dude’s wife for a couple months, and I wound up knocking her up, she says she loves him still, but I feel like she’s just scared to get socially ostracized.
>3 in a day
Virgin detected. Genitalia gets soar
Humans fuck constantly if you put them together, doesn’t matter who’s married or not. Everyone at work is fucking. Your wife probably spends more time with some office fags than you, it’s just a matter of time
I feel bad for guys like you, I really do.
Dunno. Pretty high I'd guess. I know two men who are raising my kids thinking they are the father... But I do know that my wife's child is also mine. DNA. Soooo 66% of the last three married women I've been with. Hehe
That's because Europe is becoming retarded as a country and high off its own shit
Women are always looking at superior specimens.
europe = cuck capital of the world?
There is the DNA evidence cited above about children not bio related to "father." Then based on my personal, anecdotal experience, one of my wife's girlfriends came to visit us right before her wedding. My wife invited our hottest male friend over for dinner. Her girlfriend must have asked for a set-up. Later that night, she knocks on our bedroom door and asks my wife to borrow her diaphragm for birth control. So this isn't a bachelorette party, but it's a few weeks before her wedding. She's not looking to get pregnant, though. Also, for most couple's the honeymoon, 'in love' phase is over by the time of the wedding. Wedding planning will often kill it if it isn't over yet anyway. Then later in marriage, I've had affairs with a lot of happily married women who just wanted some hotter sex with someone new.
Then why is it kinda hard to get them to start cuckolding you, or being s hotwife?
>Then later in marriage, I've had affairs with a lot of happily married women who just wanted some hotter sex with someone new.
Do you think these women remain happily married?
Does this casual sex affect how they feel about their husbands?
Do they seem like they would get pregnant by a lover and not feel bad about it?
You actually sound retarded
Lol, I watched this today.
One of the reasons why I made this thread.
Most remain happily married; they love their husband, they just want some hot sex on the side. They were not looking to get pregnant, but didn't mind fucking bare once they got to know me. They all used bc, tho. Often the husband is not performing--he's bored, distracted, etc. Might have his own side piece. Some have a kink that the husband isn't into--e.g., rough sex, submission, etc. Not saying all women do this, but more than a small percentage. I've also had affairs with women who were on their way out of a marriage. That's different.
I'm a stripper and that shit does not happen.
Some clients try to make it happen, but if you care about your job and your freedom then you won't go there.
Those chicks get blackout drunk, the risk of being accused of rape is fucking high and you wouldn't have shit to say in your defense.
Sometimes it's tempting, I've had some 10s come on to me on jobs and you think
"Eh, whats the worst that could happen"
Then you think about the worst and say
"No thank you"
I've given out my number and fucked some of the girls after the fact, but then you've got a record that they came to you while sober and consenting.
10:1
Sad bro you're pathetic lol
This x1000
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