Is it wrong to shoot at someone who breaks into your house with the intent of killing them?

This, but the non pussy why is because in "first" world countries, mainly land of the burgers, they will sue your ass, and likely win, shot the burglar 2 times?, tough titties you only had to shoot him once in self defense, second shot is aggravated assault or attempted murder.

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Make sure you kill him so he can't sue you. You may feel bad for killing someone, but you'll feel way worse going thru a bunch of lawsuit shit that shouldn't be allowed but is.

also this

No.
If they were only looking to rob a residence, they could do so when you aren't home.

If, however, someone breaks into your home with knowledge that the house is occupied, then it either means they are intoxicated, crazy -- or are there to inflict harm upon you.

And if they aren't wearing masks (and you see their face) it means that they probably have no intention of leaving witnesses. In that instance, fight like your life depends on it. Because it probably does.

You should never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy. That includes people. Guns are not fucking toys or magical items that give you power. Consider it a medical device that stops the heart and treat it as such.

Why would I shoot at them if I didn't intend to kill them? I'd also shoot them too.

Society can't drop their balls and admit judicious killings are needed

generally someone trying to rob an occupied home is to be shot dead, as you said, they're either crazy, dumb as shit, or desperate, and either way you hit first and hit hard or you'll likely end up dead or seriously wounded.

An actual thief would case the place, know number of residents, schedules, details, and only move when the knows the odds are in his favor.

Yes. You should be shooting them, not just "at" them.

Fucking millennials

It's wrong to shoot AT them without intending to kill them. Firearms are lethal force; there is no benefit, legal or otherwise, in shooting to wound. (You're likely to hit a major artery anyway) Warning shots only serve to put you in legal jeopardy, because you're using a firearm in a reckless manner and putting innocent lives in danger.

>TLDR: If brandishing a gun doesnt have the desired effect, the person in question gets to be shot until they stop doing whatever it is that they were doing.

Not if they're black.

>who breaks into your house

Unless you have the deed, it's not your house, it's the bank's house.

KEK
so many people can relate

Kek

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Learn how to read dumbasses. At no point did op say that they were there to rob him. You are making an unwarranted assumption. They could easily be there intending to kidnap, rape or murder the occupants of the household.

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Beat answer. If you ever have to shoot someone, kill them.

>bonus: no witnesses is ideal

More of this

Technically it would be op's parents house. Living in the basement eating tendies, does not make it his.

>based and redpilled

I fucking love tendies.

You have a right to defend yourself within reason.

WITHIN REASON. You can’t just shoot at someone knocking on your door because you’re a scared little bitch.

Also, you should state intent. “I’m armed; leave now” clearly and loudly. If they flee immediately, you shouldn’t shoot.

Lethal force is serious, and should be treated as a last resort defense for life and property. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t own a gun. That simple.

No, shoot to kill.

Nope and it will save both you and the government money of you do 2 in the chest and 1 in the head.

Remember they came into YOUR HOME uninvited

Yes. And I would intend to destroy a person who broke into my residence wielding a firearm themself, a depicted in OP's pic related. I would feel good about it because I was given the opportunity to help cull the trash from the population without the excessive cost and complexity of the court system.

>within reason

I like the Castle Doctrine. If you're inside my home for any reason without my authorization, I can kill you.

I see no reason why I should risk MY life on the off chance that a home invader is in my home for some totally innocent reason.

Learn how to read. Op specifically said that they had broken in, not that they were trying to, or in the process of, doing so.

What this user with reddit spacing said. Also if you shoot someone with intent other than to kill, you get more charges. Question you will hear from the cops: "If you were able to handle the situation without killing him, why did you shoot him?" Pointing a gun is a use of force, shooting it is use of lethal force. You can get in trouble for both even though the guy broke in your house.

Shoot to kill or risk getting sued. Unfortunately that's the state of the USA. Assuming you live here of course. Csnt defend ourselves in any way without these syphons cheating the justice system. Shits broken.

yes user the bad people will break into the OP's house to ravish his boi pussy and kill his father for snitching on their crew back in '05.

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Also, before you fire you should confirm its not some idiot friend or family member trying to be "funny" because then youre likely screwed if you kill them.

>someone's invading your home
>risk your life, the person minding their own business in their own home, on the chance it's NOT somebody who will rape your kids to death

Nah. Breaking into someone's house is about as smart a prank as trying to get a selfie with the lions at the zoo

>mainly land of the burgers, they will sue your ass
nope. despite sensationalist clickbait articles, this isn't something that actually happens in the USA and existing cases where this has happened have all largely been thrown out. Try again faggot, almost all of the US is under Castle Law or Stand Your Ground of some form or other, only 1 single state has duty to retreat.

A guy fell through a persons glass skylight, while breaking into a persons home, and won a lawsuit against them.

>you were saying?

it's only wrong if you don't take pictures afterwards for rekt oc

I would never shoot to kill , a gun should never be used with killing intent only for defense and defendse ends when u have the advantage in a situation.

Have fun in jail for torturing the guy that broke into your house and tried to kill you.

>Also, you should state intent. “I’m armed; leave now”
Fucking retarded, why would you give away your position and the fact that you are armed?

Most states have some form of castle doctrine, you are full of shit

Nah this fuck would shoot into the air then get raped. Hed enjoy it. No one would go to jail.

I'm not the guy you are referring to, but if you state your intent and give commands, if the person doesn't follow those commands it shows you being even more in the clear if/when it goes to court. That's why the cops yell that shit all the time.

Maybe you should learn to read, then. I said you should declare yourself armed and order them to leave. If they do anything but turn and book it, you have a right to shoot.

If he truly breaks into your house without a shadow of a doubt then I support shoot to kill especially if the perp is a dirty meth-head.

Believe whatever you want. I know what I'm talking about.

>Citation needed

If you can’t hold your shit together long enough to order someone off your property and wait for response instead of just opening fire as soon as you see them, maybe you should leave the guns to the police because you can’t handle reasonable defense.

Former Vice President (and future President) Joe Biden told me all I need for home defense was a double barrel shotgun and I just need to fire it into the air to scare the intruder off.
>What do you mean that's a felony?

There is no shame in killing user, the chicken you eat, the meat you tenderize, it didn't fall from the fucking sky, the vegetables, the bugs you kill, all the living organisms you've put an end to just by existing, and you take a moral stand against killing someone who invades your home with the intent of actually doing you harm.

Humans have been killing other humans for millions of years, raping and pillaging, right of conquest was a thing you know, never hold back user.

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Castle doctrine does not require that, fucking stupid like I said, plus it would be your word against the guy that you shot, how the fuck would that work?

No you fucking don't even Wiki says that you are full of shit, and before you cry about how Wikipedia can be edited, the fucking applicable laws are listed:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine#States_incorporating_castle_doctrine_principles

You are the same person in horror movies who hears a racket and yells "IS SOMEBODY THERE?", instead of actually fucking creeping on the nigga trying to creep on him or running the fuck away.

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It would work like this "Hey cops, I just broke into some dude's house and he pointed a gun at me and told me to leave." Do you think the cops would arrest you for pointing a gun at him when he broke into YOUR house? Use some fucking common sense. Order him to leave, if he doesn't, shoot him. If you live in a backwards ass state where the cops arrest the home owner, move. You're so busy trying to catch me on a technicality, you aren't using your brain.

Of course, it is your constitutional right.

You sound like you WANT to kill someone. See how that holds up in court.

Maybe I am just a nice guy but my first round in my 12g is a bean bag. The rounds after that are lethal but I would rather not kill someone unless I absolutely had to.

You are a fucking moron, in your scenario the guy states that you didn't say shit and then you would get in trouble? You are beyond fucking retarded, drinking bleach is your only solution - if you can figure out how to open the child safe bottle.

> doesn't know how home loans work
The banks don't hold the deed nor do they have the deed in their name. If they did they would be responsible for upkeep and repair. They have a lien on it, not ownership.

Reasonable use of force include lethal force especially in castle doctrine, stop being a goddamn idiot.

See >You're so busy trying to catch me on a technicality, you aren't using your brain.

See

Google it moron. Literally 50 results.

I see your argument, it is fucking stupid, you are a retard, kill yourself.

>dodging this hard.

>life is like movies

No, user. If you have broken into my home, I am not gambling my life and those of my family that you're not armed and crazy. You broke into my house, I am going to assume the absolute worst case scenario. I start yelling, you start shooting off a pistol, my kid catches one through the wall?

No, I am going to kill you as quickly as possible, because it is insane to risk my life and the lives of those I love in order to protect a criminal who just broke into my home.

I live in a castle doctrine state and although I hope I never have to shoot anyone, if someone comes in the house they are going to get shot with extreme prejudice. I'm not going to talk to you, try to reason with you, try to figure out if you mean to hurt my family, see if I can merely wound you, or stop to call 911.

Don't want to get shot? Don't break in. If you get shot for breaking in, remember it was your choice.

I'm beyond shocked that anyone would not take immediate and decisive action if someone broke into their home. Bad people are ready to hurt you, why would you pause for even one second to stop the threat?

You would get so killed if someone breaks into your house. You're not in a movie. You can shoot their hand or leg. You just have to go for the biggest target, the torso and hope you disabled the fucker for life, and if he dies, so be it.

Ok whatever you say

That's from liar liar

No it isn't. Google it. There are also cases where people get shot breaking into someones house and win lawsuits. If you ask for a reference bit can't Google it, then youre just trolling.

Aim for the balls and dont stop firing. Criminals dont deserve testosterone.

you wont get one, its an urban legend that has been around for a long time with one website referencing it as a case from the 1980s.

It's justifiable but because human beings are emotional cucks, you'll live with the guilt for the rest of your life.

Rather him than you.

Actually if you shoot to not kill them that’s illegal . I used to keep salt rock in my shotgun because I didn’t really want to kill some naive teenager . Cop told me it was illegal so I switched to bird shot ..... lol

Testosticles

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Then give a fucking citation if it is so simple, asshole.

Does dubs

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I heard Birdshot isn't that effective. Is that because it won't penetrate and kill someone else through wall(s)?

This nigga knows what the fuck is up. I don't know if a home invader is carrying a knife or a gun or is high or crazy or just plain evil, and I don't intend to risk my life to find out the details.

A simple, guaranteed way to not ever get killed while breaking into other peoples' houses is to not break into peoples' houses. How is it fair to expect the innocent to risk their lives to protect a criminal?

>There are also cases where people get shot breaking into someones house and win lawsuits

Thankfully that doesn't happen in my state. I feel bad for people who live in states where that can happen.

/thread.

smh people arguing against shoot to kill, you know what they do to thieves in the favelas?

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I'm not saying you aren't following the law. You can follow the law and still end up in court. I'm telling you what to do to solidify your actions. If you end up having to shoot someone and you gave them a chance to walk away, it's easier to have the court vote in your favor. If you just shoot the intruder with no warning, it ends up on the news that a white guy killed a black guy who was unarmed. The media will twist your actions to make you look like a gun toting lunatic, social media will demand the answer to "Why didn't he just shoot him in the leg???" and your life is ruined. Yet the law was on your side the whole time. A few words can change the entire outcome of the whole event.

The dead don't sue.

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You're listening to kiddies. At indoor distances, birdshot will almost take an arm off

Google search has Berkeley log in the 3rd result. If you're too fat and lazy to Google it, then you're trolling. You've literally replied twice to me already. You can look for yourself, but you wont because youd rather "fane" being right than actually being wrong. Have fun with that oversized ego.

Or, shoot the guy and then tell the police you told him to leave and he didn't

That way you're not gambling your life that a violent criminal breaking into your home is actually just some silly mix-up and totally innocent, and you can protect yourself if necessary

Or you could not be a retard at all and realize that any situation, even the most innocent, when you've shot somebody and there's a cop asking about it, you say not one fucking word until you've got a lawyer (who will tell you to not say one fucking word)

Its liberal states. I dont even understand how they pass laws that have no bases in reality. I'm all for human life but at some point enough is enough, but hey, lets try and ban straws and give homeless junkies millions of free syringes in California. Makes total sense, right?

>I'm beyond shocked that anyone would not take immediate and decisive action if someone broke into their home.

Not everyone thinks they are a special snowflake like you and your family do.

but the surviving relatives do!

If I broke in your house and you were within ten feet with a gun and ordered me to leave you would be dead . Do not announce yourself unless your unsure if it’s an intruder ie. roommate or other person. This is not the movies and if someone charges you from 10 ft or less they will get you before your reaction to pull the trigger .

Well, my training is obviously different from yours. I guess whatever state you live in, it's acceptable to do what you just mentioned.

Based and Satanpilled

That is why I'm glad I live in Florida. I can stand my ground without having to worry about being "within reason" if an unauthorized person is on my property or in my house they will be eliminated without question.

1- if he lives you're fucked.
2- if he dies and you shot him more than once, and cops determine the second shot was overkill, you're fucked.
3- if there are witnesses, or a partner who fesses up, you're fucked.

So unless you can one shot the cunt in the head or heart with a real man's bullet you're most likely gonna end up getting charged.

First and only thing you say after a self defense shooting "I feared for my life, I want them arrested, and I want to talk to my lawyer." Repeat it if you must but say nothing else. It will give your lawyer a much easier time defending you in court.

They have nothing to offer but hearsay and will lose.

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Not at all. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just begging to get cucked.

Thats why I have a double barreled sawed off shotgun

No, always shoot to kill.

Incorrect, you must also identify yourself to the police. You need to stop getting your law advice from the internet.

Dear God I hope you're trolling.

Poor idea. If you're pointing a firearm that's deadly force already, and you want to be able to say "well I just loaded whatever I had handy from my last shoot" - topping it off with LTL might make the jury see you as some wannabe cop or similar since most normies won't just have those.
Of course if you "just happened" to load a slug at the bottom of the tube, "whoops forgot I was deer hunting recently"

Yep. Never assume benevolence from someone who has proven they will break laws when it suits them

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Nope. Why is that bad? Better than a handgun in close quarters.

Imagine understanding self defense law this little

>imaginary imaginings

If he lives, it's the word of a guy who broke into someone's house vs the word of the guy who lives there. If he dies, the cops do not determine shots are "overkill" unless you obviously went and shot a wounded guy in the face, which is murder. This is solved by just shooting him a lot.

Life is not like the movies. A threat situation has your head full of adrenaline and you can barely think at all. The actual thing trained into a civilian for self-defense is the good old mag dump. Activation syndrome is a motherfucker to fight through

>witnesses or a partner

What are you even talking about

Where I live, most sane people know that castle doctrine is the rule. It tends to be crazy people and addicts who get shot for home break-ins.

And what gets reported on the news is (1) person shot in a home invasion; (2) killed by homeowner; (3) police say no charges will be filed. Over and done. No protests.

In a "duty to retreat" state, it could be different.

imo no

Er i mean nope

Any trespassers will be shot. Shitskins will be shot again.

Shotguns are great for home defence, but if your barrel is too short it's an illegal weapon. You go to jail for a felony after you just saved your family.

This doesn't happen, ever. And people have died giving warnings to intruders. I'll take my luck in court over my luck in a fire fight.

Id shoot someone if they walked past my no trespassing sign, let alone broke into my house.

Nah id just hide it and say I used something else.

That’s bullshit.

Not what you’re saying but the fucking fact that if you use a short barrelled shotgun or rifle to blast the guts out of someone trying to harm your family and you go to prison for it only because you used an “illegal gun”

THAT’s fucking bullshit.

You must be a nigger to be this dumb

I live in Missouri. We're all armed to the teeth, we'll kill you and go scot free. If you're not a clever enough thief to realize this, just try.

On the flip side, I've robbed alot of houses in other states by educating myself to my targets mannerisms and scheduling. I wouldn't even attempt that shit here.

yeah but you'd also shoot someone just to shoot someone.

Find out

It's bullshit but it is the truth. Be smart. Keep your shit legal

How am I dumb? Do you know why? You're talking out of your ass, buddy.

If you live in a nanny state, you have the right to defend yourself within reason and withing reason only, if there is no chance of you getting harmed or you continued "self defending" after the assailant has been subdued or incapacitated , you can't plead self defense, a guy comes running at you with a knife, you punch him, he falls to the ground, in a fit of adrenaline you continue attacking him for good measure, the kick hits his head and kills him, witnesses testify the man fell to the ground and you continued hitting him, you're charged with manslaughter, same with shooting an assailant, why did you shoot the man twice?, did he continue coming after you after the first shot?, was your life in danger after putting a 9mm bullet in his abdomen that you had to shoot him again?

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Why didn’t you all take care of the riot situation in Ferguson then if you’re all armed to the teeth

No, stop asking stupid questions

It would be a separate charge. It would likely get thrown out or get you on probation.

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Missouri is the best state in the US. Too bad they're taking you out with HARRP

Only if kebab, then go on a kebab removal mission

>>>Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a shotgun with a barrel length shorter than 18 inches (46 cm) or an overall length shorter than 26 inches (66 cm)) (under U.S.C. Title II), without a tax-paid registration from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Assuming you live in the US, I'm not full of shit.

Perhaps you didn't hear me. As armed as we are our niggers are equally armed. It'd be liking a war in Africa since every single one of them has an ak-47. It would've been a blood bath. Black lives matter and shit, man.

That paragraph says it has to be registered, moron. Can you fucking read your own citation? Jesus h Christ.

I mean you got a point there. BLM and Black Panthers like to buy a lot of guns, I’m honestly surprised to this day that no mass shootings happened in Ferguson when they staged those riots. How far away are you and what were people in your town saying about it at the time?

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paragraph doesn't say it's illegal user, even if it was.
>buy two double barreled shotguns.
>saw the barrel of one of them off.
>shoot man.
>hide sawed off and tell cops you shot him with your unmodified law abiding shotgun.

>actually living somewhere like that

Christ, I would move. Who wants to live in a place where the laws require victims to risk their lives in order to protect their attackers? What sort of insane fucking place is that? What sort of government prioritizes the well-being of violent criminals over law-abiding citizens?

Always mag dump, that's your best chance. And of course, if you've shot a man, no matter how reasonable the circumstances, the only things you say to the police are (politely) how you need a lawyer there before you can say anything.

Look another user who has a god Damn functional brain. Let me guess, You're not a liberal?

>shotgun is taken into evidence as part of routine investigation into a shooting
>lab says it hasn't been fired
>suddenly your entirely reasonable self-defense situation comes with an obstruction of justice charge and your house getting torn apart to find your illegal weapon that was used

This is called "making your life harder than it has to be"

Close enough to Hannibal that wouldn't make any difference, so not far enough away. Meh, black folks that I know are pretty level headed and the white folks equally so, we're community oriented so nobody wanted any part of that shit. I agreed. However if don't think the national guard was mobilized during the first two hours, you're crazy. There would have been a strong possibility that whichever side fired first (cops would have brought every nigger from KC, Chicago {god I don't even want to imagine}, Nashville and everywhere else in between. In another reality that kicked off civie ll. "All bad" was the general consensus about the whole thing.

Possession is 9/10 of the law

You two keep doing whatever kind of mental gymnastics you have to do to make you feel better. I'm telling it to you like it is, It's illegal to possess. That means having one in your possession (house, vehicle, or on your person) is illegal without a tax stamp. Buying another shotgun that is legal and switching out the weapon doesn't invalidate the law. It just shows your will to break the law, and if found, will cast doubt on your "castle doctrine" defense. Also, cops aren't stupid, they know when a weapon has been recently fired, yes you can fire both of them, but the more planning you put into killing the guy that just broke into your home makes this look like a planned murder. You aren't helping your argument.

Of course. We all do stupid shit as teenagers.

Why would they waste money gathering evidence on a case they aren't prosecuting. I wouldn't even go to processing. All they'd take is a witness statement, remove what's left of the body, and be on their way.

Trust me, when someone dies, the cops investigate fully.

Mental gymnastics? You posted a citation that proved your argument wrong. That's the definition of stupid. How does anything you say beyond that hold water? It doesn't. Damn, are you retarded, boy?

>Trust me
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

No, I don't trust dumbasses on the internet who talk out of their ads and then say "trust me".

Ok, show me the paragraph where sawed off shotguns are legal.

Dude, somebody got shot. It doesn't matter how obviously legal the shooting is, that's getting investigated. If you don't know this, you have never even seen a LEO in your life.

Minimum, the weapon's getting brought in and checked, if only to make sure it wasn't used in some other shooting they haven't solved.

Okay. Don't trust me. No skin off my back.

>trust me

He said to. So, you should. Also, takw the candy from the stranger and get in the van. TRUST ME.

I'm a lawyer, Dumbass.

Yeah, because youre trolling. Are you Ace Ventura by chance?

You are insane if you think police officers responding to a fatal shooting just go "lol sounds good dude" and stand around waiting for the coroner to come cart away the body

When someone gets killed, it gets investigated, if only to clear the homeowner.

No, you're not.

I AM the stranger in the van.

nope

Hey now, don't tell them who we are, it's not fun arguing with idiots who got their Masters in Gun Law at U of Tube Law School. These people probably also believe they don't need a driver's license because they are Sovereign Citizens and have a right to "Travel".

Damn

Obama really wanted to start a civil war

>samefag

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Nope, I'm in law enforcement, he defends you after we put your ass in jail for this stupid shit.

No since that asshole fucking broke into your house
There is no way of easily telling if that person has a weapon or not and they are most likely there to cause you harm.
If you don’t wanna get shot don’t break into places

Woah we got a genius here boys

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>I'm a Cop and Lawyer on the internet!

Oh god lol, I didn't realize I was actually talking with a 15-year-old

>learned to use Inspect Element
>phoneposter

Yep, that's a teenager

What the actual fuck is inspect element? Lmao

That's another person. Damn you're dumb, boy.

of course it isn't wrong, they have already committed a felony against you and could very possibly be looking to cause you grievous bodily harm

I'm going to end this conversation here with my dubs, it's only going to go downhill since you idiots don't really care that you're wrong. Have a good evening and enjoy jail.

Seriously tho, do your homework. You are really wrong.

>this desperation
>now sitting at his PC with his phone in his hand

It's ok, son, we were all dumb teenagers once. But you really do need to be 18 or older to post here.