I have a question for all trans people who claim gender is a social construct:
If being a girl is not determined by having a vagina and looking like a girl then why do you cut your penises, and try to look like a girl?
If you identify as a girl why are you trying to become a socially constructed girl?
Isn't that perpetuating the stereotype of socially constructed girl and thus making people believe sex is strongly associated with gender?
Go ask on lgbt fag
step-by-step thing i guess, they probs not only want to identify as that, but also want other people to identify them as that same thing, and we're not at the point where that can be down without social constructs
Are you a retard?
1 not all trans people do that
2 the ones who do are choosing an operation that makes them personally feel more comfortable in their bodies
That was easy.
Shut the fuck up nigger
There’s probably more faggots on here than /lgbt/ anyways
I don't believe this, this is why I am asking.
Then you are mutilating your penis and wearing a dress for other people acceptance?
Are you saying they do this not because they think is the correct but for social validation?
Any trans person who says being trans has nothing to do with gender and feeling more comfortable as one as opposed to the other or even neither, is a fucking liar. I'm trans and I feel much more comfortable being seen as male. It's not a hard stop but yeah, short hair, flat chest, men's clothes.
But except for the flat chest, these are all things dictated by society. No one says that's what trans people are supposed to be. But at least for me, I feel more comfortable embodying the stereotypes.
Maybe that's why they say it?
Damn.. wow..
Listen. Part of being trans is that you want to present your outsides as you feel inside. The further you can embody it, for some trans people anyway, the more good and right it feels.
I would love to be called sir or mister instead of ma'am. Taking testosterone would help.
>Are you a retard?
no
>1 not all trans people do that
Most of them. Anyone who wants to see it just needs to search in google images "transgender".
>2 the ones who do are choosing an operation that makes them personally feel more comfortable in their bodies
Ok, if they feel better doing that it means they want to look like a socially constructed women meaning sex is related to gender.
LOL Did you just fucking tell me google images???? How can you get an accurate reading of the average trans person from THAT???
Post your flat chest faggot
You, like most fags, are confusing biology with behavior.
>no
Yes
>Most of them. Anyone who wants to see it just needs to search in google images "transgender".
No, most do not, and that is a stupid fucking attempt at providing evidence, you retard.
>Ok, if they feel better doing that it means they want to look like a socially constructed women meaning sex is related to gender.
You're attempting to make a sweeping generalization, and then turn that generalization into a universally applicable rule, just so that you can try to find some contradiction that supports your point. But your premise is flawed and you're a retard.
Agree
Y u mad
Is this a girl or a boy?
Yes, google image results is a good representation of what something is.
no
No, I'm talking about the relation between them.
Yes, most of the transgender people transition.
It's not a generalization, but if your only argument is "UHH, MOSt OF THE PEOPLE DON'T" our discussion here is over, people who think as you will agree with you.
Ask him/her/ze/they.
>most of the transgender people transition
I personally know a dozen or so full time trans people. None of them have had surgery. What retarded shit are you babbling on about? Do you have a source other than "I did a Google image search lol"?
I mean:
If not surgery, try to look like the opposite sex.
Dressing as a girl, long hair, etc...
transgender
/tranzˈdʒɛndə,transˈdʒɛndə/
adjective
denoting or relating to a person whose sense of personal identity and gender does not correspond with their birth sex.
Meaning that will try to look like the other sex.
because they're mentally ill
Gender and sex are different.
>gender is a social construct
>transgender people choose to present as a gender different from their sex in varying ways, tailored to their own preference and desire to mesh with a social construct
>I choose to believe this means gender is not a social construct because I am a retard
>What does the prefix 'trans' mean, again?
>What is etymology?
Yea, that's the only reason I ended up having.
It's not just "trying". Their behavior is innate and automatic. Transgender children start to exhibit the behaviors of the opposite sex as early as 2.
Then why people who think they are from the opposite gender try to look like the other sex?
if you have a point, state it, I have no time for cryptic messages.
Then gender and sex are the same?
>if you have a point, state it, I have no time for cryptic messages
Too dumb to understand complex issues, but wants to have an opinion on complex issues: the post.
Doctor here. It's fucking made up unless they're full MtF or FtM (in which case it's gender dysphoria; a form of body dysmorphia).
Anyone who identifies as anything other than male or female is feigning mental illness and piggybacking off a group of people who suffer daily in order to get social justice pity points for nothing.
>inb4 muh redefinition of gender
You don't just get to change the definitions of words and how human psychology works, especially when you redefine a word to have no definition.
>Then gender and sex are the same?
Gender is the exhibition of male or female behavior in transgender people, regardless of their biological sexes.
They are a construct, and I predict that in the future the number of genders will increase and increase until they dissolve completely, and everyone will be their own weird thing (a.k.a. individual selves).
The two prominent genders we have now are not arbitrary; they are based on the two sexes. But as I said, I think gender will eventually vanish. We'll be left with the two sexes, and everyone within those sexes will pull to varying degrees from the two genders "man and woman" meaning there will effectively be no such thing as a "manly" or "womanly" association anymore.
As it stands, EVERYONE already pulls from both "man" and "woman" to some degree already (think, man who likes rom-coms, or woman who likes monster trucks), with only those who make it a point to adhere stringently to one or the other being outliers (notice these people are choosing their gender, just as a transgender person might).
Being a girl (sex) IS in fact determined by having a vagina, not a penis, and in fact anyone who thinks otherwise is spitting in the face of logic because....their feelings would be hurt otherwise I suppose?
You can be a girl and be a guy, vise versa, who gives a fuck?
What you say about perpetuating the stereotype, however, is incredibly true. my theory, is that NO ONE is comfortable with taking the plunge and presenting themselves as neither man or woman but some kind of hybrid. People fear ridicule and would rather be one or the other, without appearing wishy-washy. In the case of people who transition to one or the other, it's those who fall in the middle that hate themselves the most. But, you have to imagine how must inner-tearing is occurring in a trans person for them to risk leaping across that chasm to the other sex, despite the difficulty. They would rather be that other sex, or not BE at all. Life will be easier when people stop caring about the genders "man and woman" and just be THEMSELVES. Everything is cosmetic without the need for survival.
Let me guess... you got a degree from Trump U?
Finally, implants are one thing, but mutilating your genitals is another... Many MANY trans girls keep their penises, though, so it's not as prevalent as you think.
No, Cambridge
No, it's just I don't have a good English and It takes me time to understand points stated in a complex way, also I'm hungry and want to eat.
I dunno but it sure is funny as fuck
I’m gonna have to go with a blindshot and say.. a wookie?
I doubt it. "A form of body dysmorphia"? Seriously? I have not heard of any transgender who doesn't know their own biological genders and DNAs.
Quality post op, thank you for commenting on my post.
TOPkek
>It's not that I'm too retarded to understand complex issues, but want to have an opinion on complex issues; it's that I'm too illiterate and impatient to understand complex issues, but want to have an opinion on complex issues: the post.
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
One thing sure. It smells.
This
Thanks Doctor Mandell
and don’t forget, make it a great day!
>pic related
Jesus, you are tilted mate, everyone in this post can see that, calm down.
My English is bad, but if you want we can talk in Mandarin, Japanese, Spanish, Catalan or Portuguese, I'm not illiterate.
Trans people will never understand what it's like to be the other sex so they rely on retarded stereotypes
TRUE LOL, this is why trans women dress as 15 yo teens
WHY IS THIS A DEBATE ON
Gender dysphoria, by definition, is a mental illness WE SHOULD NOT NORMALIZE, INDULGE, OR ENCOURAGE MENTAL ILLNESSES! Sure, "it's their bodies", but would you let a depressed person mutilate their limbs to make them happier? If not why would you let someone mutilate their genitals and throw their hormones completely off balance, just so they can feel better that they match their "real gender." SO STOP TEACHING YOUR KIDS THIS SHIT AND PLANTING IDEAS IN THEIR HEADS
for real gender dysphoria sucks ass and I hope you get the help you need
>t. tilted faggot
M'kay let's just circle back and get to your failed login again.
It is not a contradiction for trans people to choose to present as another socially constructed gender. It is a reflection of how they choose to fit in to that social construct. Not all will choose to fit in a typical way, and those who do are not representative of all other trans people.
What shithole country are you from where you've never met trannies anyway?
Yeah, this is what I think, people will look at the past and think we were retarded for allowing this.
What the fuck does normalize mean? Normal is a statistics term so are you saying that they are trying to make transgender people more common?
And stop being retarded. MOST transgender people do not want surgery.
It will be along side with 19th centurydoctors thinking balancing out the blood spill with bloodletting was smart
When became gender seperated from Sex anyway? I understand men want to be wome and vice versa, but where does all this made up crap come from.
You made all this up and now you force people on your way of thinking, insulting them when they dont. You pretty much sound like a religion or cult or something
That's because with medical advance they will be able to change the DNAs.
>most transgender people do not want surgery
Just to live off hormones?
she supports trump. birds of a feather...
Barcelona
They don't want to look like the opposite gender, they want to look like the opposite sex
I'm not talking about just a surgery, I'm talking about trying to look like a men
If that's what they want.
You were talking about mutilating arms and penors.
Well, I'm OP, aside from your gibberish postmodernist vocabulary and some trolls, you had no chance against my solid arguments you fucking retarded faggots.
I'm going to eat, ty for visiting my post.
>They don't want to look like the opposite gender, they want to look like the opposite [[[gender, as a socially contrived correlation between gender and sex]]]
See now you get it.
Yeah, because that's a way of looking like a man.
In the whole post I was talking about trying to look like a man.
Gender roles are social constructs, physical sex is not. TransSEXuals want to change their SEX. 100% actually doing that is impossible, but hormones+surgery is reasonably close.
Ok I know this is low but ((are you fucking retarded)) there is the normalization of surgery and being trans (literally trans people trying to get fucking horomones with medicare like it's a need) accepting trans people in bathrooms IS NORMALIZATION teaching children about being gender neutral and being trans IS NORMALIZATION putting trans men in advertising IS NORMALIZING
yes trans people are still people, but this shit shouldn't be seen as cool and hip
user I don't wanna pull a Ben Shapiro if you want more info you have the fucking internet obviously
Also dum dum they would be transsexual if they don't have surgery no gender has been changed
Stereotypes aside people just do whatever the fuck they want to do OP
Seems like you’re overthinking it
>I don't wanna pull a Ben Shapiro
I am glad because he's a literal retard.
I dont understand it. why can a guy who wants to be a woman suddenly go into the women bathroom?
Didnt we see how laughable it is with the men changing to be women, breaking quite some female records and changing to men again?
And why should we explain to our kids that this is normal? Isnt that the transgenders people job?
Justice for all oppressed people’s in america
Read a book. I suggest "Whipping Girl" by Julia Serano.
I would love to be called "your highness"
What do I need to take for that?
CALM DOWN YOU THUNDERTRANNIE!
How much do you make being a part-time tranny?
Only thing we can agree on
Literally already explain ed why this is a bad mindset
Zero dollars and zero cents
Because I'm not a part time tranny
It’s a psyop
Divide and conquer at play
Haven’t you heard about Soros’ generous pockets having spawned antifa, the massive influx of immigrants everywhere around the world, the PC culture bullshit, people being pussified
I could go on but you get the idea? Something sinister is clearly at play here
Does it produce sperm or eggs?
Male
you can tell by the flat breasts and facial structure
>Yes, google image results is a good representation of what something is.
Try google imaging "white family" and see how quick you change your mind
No.
Eggs.
Nope. That's an actual woman. She identifies as a woman. She got tired of shaving like 2 to 3 times a day.
?
1970s. Some draft dodging hippies got the easiest degrees they could, and after finding no work in the real world they became professors furthering the cycle of uselessness. Some venturing ones tho opted for spotlight notariaty via controversy and literally pulled a redefinition of gender out of their ass. Literally unprompted and out thin air.
That's the origin story of modern day gender studies.
Girl. An unfortunate girl
why even ask? this is a passing idea that people will try to use to give their upset lives purpose. it is the tattoos of the 2000 teens. it is the zeitgeist. it'll pass.
K yeah, are white families tho
Lel all the trannies are mad.
>fmaily
>hurr durr i dont no how 2 reply 2 a solid response so im going 2 point out da fact da person didn't want 2 put more than 30 seconds into their reply
>types like a retard
>in defense of this, types like a retard
Mocking the dummy thinking I give half a tootsie roll that I spelled something wrong. Whatever lol. Point was made
You missed the negroid middle row right column.
It's a psychological condition where you feel like your body is wrong and should be something else. Do you know nothing?
When did this place become bluepill central? People were crying over torture videos yesterday.
Feeling like you're in the wrong body is different from actually thinking you have imperfections. For example, women with eating disorders ACTUALLY see themselves as fat. It's an illusion. Transgender people KNOW their biological sexes. There's no denying.
>seeing a penis in a mirror is different from seeing an emaciated stomach in a mirror
What?
It stems from feeling too much like your birth sex, not from feeling too little like the other sex.
Who sees a penis in the mirror where none exist?
What?
I'm asking you because your post makes no sense. Can you clarify?
women with eating disorders ACTUALLY see themselves as fat. It's an illusion. Transgender people KNOW their biological sexes. There's no denying.
He's implying that one physiological condition, which is evident and can be readily observed in a mirror, but obscured by delusion to the viewer, is somehow different from a different condition which also can be viewed in a mirror but obscured by delusion to the viewer.
No. Transgender can still see their biological sexes in the mirror. There is no delusion obscuring their view. Transgender male children sometimes try to tuck in their junks, which obviously show they see it and know about it. People with eating disorder don't know they're not fat, no matter what others tell them.
>see a penis in a mirror
omg I need to tuck it back
>see a skin wrinkle in a mirror
omg I need to stop eating
Literally no difference
I'll try for the last time. People with eating disorders see the 'wrinkles" and "fat" in the mirror that are not there. That is what body dysmorphia means.
So how is believing something that isn't true different from believing something that isn't true?
Transgender is the case of "feeling" that you are in a wrong body (see right there they KNOW what their body looks like).
And it gets complicated when it comes to the hermaphrodites. :O
>Anorexia is the case of "feeling" that you are in a wrong body (see right there they KNOW what their body looks like)
And they are both mental disorders!!
LOL. I give up.
It all comes back to the poster who claimed to be a doctor.
English isn't your first language is it?
Lolwut?
I am trans but dont agree with a vast majority of the views the rest of the community holds. If I still look like a guy then im gonna identify as male and dress male and so on. Eventually when I can pass as a female, then I can identify as female and dress that way and such. If you walk up to me in public right now and say hey man thats normal because I look like a guy. Im all about the looks and passing to determine gender.
Thank you for your input faggot.
> We'll be left with the two sexes
That's because that's the only grouping that is real. The rest is just behavior and trying to make a small amount of groups to explain the behavior of 7 billion people is pointless. A man that likes romcoms is not a 96% man, 4% woman, he is just a guy with bad taste in movies.
And of course, chopping your dick off won't make you a woman, it'll just make you a guy with no dick.
There are legit trans people who have gender dysphoria and then you have these gender rebels who want to make people feel uncomfortable and then get in your face with their SJW non-binary BS as per your image.
Imagine having nothing better to do with your life so you choose to cosplay as a stereotype for the rest of your life.
>Wanting to be a different gender is anorexia
I hate all non-trans people. The only people I can respect are trans.
