A Car dealership tried to bait and switch me when I arrived

What would you do if one of your salespeople tried scamming a hells angel guy?

Quoting something online and changing it in person after they show up.

Honestly it seems scary

Its not like that. Wr actually do provide a service

I dont pull any nonsense. I sell almost new used cars that are still under factory warranty

>Wr actually do provide a service
LOL, nice joke. Okay now seriously, what's it like being a scam artist?

Why am I a scam artist? I sell cars. In my community I have a great reputation. It sucks car sales have a bad rep

That's literally what car dealerships are, a scam center where idiots get scammed daily. Look, I get it you have proud in your job, but don't ask like it's a real job or like you're not scamming people and being dishonest with them.

What’s your typical profit on a sale?

What do you see others do that would make user think at way then?

Okay 1 at a time. We get you financed. We get the car repaired and ready for you. You cant do that as quick as we can

The goal is $3000 but it is rare. Probably $1200

And there goes your “I’m one of the good ones” facade

Not sure what you are talking about, but we know which cars and customers to avoid

>We get you financed
By ripping you the fuck off unless you have 750+ credit

>We get the car repaired and ready for you. You cant do that as quick as we can
Yeah right, 90% of the "work" you faggots do can be done by DIY and then you overcharge the shit out of any work that's outside the warranty, as if you don't make enough money ripping people the fuck off as is. Give me a break with this shit. Then you wonder why people don't like you faggots or take you seriously. Car salesmen are the scum of the earth, right there with car mechanics. If this is bait then great job because I fell for it.

Why cant a car dealer make money? Do you work for free?

Oh and not to mention you have the fucking balls to look people straight in the eye and tell them they need to have X work done on their car when they actually do not

It's just like a computer shop idiot.
If you can build it yourself, test it yourself, trouble shoot it yourself, do it.
If a computer / car is just a tool you use in daily life, and not your personal fucking hobby, then buy one 'pre-built' from the shop.
It's like saying errrrr paying a builder / plumber / tiler is a scam hurrrr, People have shit to do, their time is more valuable than the service costs.

>The goal is $3000 but it is rare. Probably $1200
Any legitimate business would have the same profit. Can you imagine if a grocery store gave nebulous and negotiable prices and openly admitted their profit on a box of cereal was between $1.20 and $3.00 depending on the customer? Fuck off. There's a reason your business has such a shitty reputation. You all earn it every day preying on the public.

Mark your prices clearly, don't haggle, and let the free market decide if you are the best deal.

Yeah. Literally waikem Honda did this shit to everyone in town yet everyone keeps going back. Fuck them

Ok. Listen all of the cars I sell are still under new car warranty. The money I make off financing you is a flat rate based off the loan amount. Fyi 30k is $450. Im not a con. I sell almost new cars

Dude, you are talking about new car scam service centers not me

Yeah, no, after our pickup was sold to us not even a month later it started burning oil and the encoder motor on the transfer case went out. Got that bitch refinanced with my bank and fixed it myself.

Do yourself a favor. Learn how to work on vehicles at least in a basic capacity and buy off private. Dealerships will scam you way more often than most people.

Retail is 50% markup fuckhead. And you never ask them for a discount

>buying modern Jaguar

Jesus christ how stupid can you be? Youre paying that much money for a lawn ornament that will sit at the dealers 90% of its life because it'll break down every thousand miles.

You think people that buy cars like that do so because it's reliable? There are three types of people that buy a Jaguar, richfags with too much money too spend, idiots that want to "look" rich, or guys with small dicks.

You can't show off your money if the damned thing can't drive.
Shouldve bought a used 911.

>Im jealous and cant afford it, might as well tell them how shit the car is lol but only cause i cant have it

>I hate people who can afford nicer things than me, mom can I borrow $50?

How do you know the specific car can't drive? you test drove anons car? you have history with higher end vehicles? nah, youre just bitching to bitch about something faggot, feel better yet? I heard bus fares are going down

not sure most people here know that the service assistants work on commission now. sales guys all want to be service agents instead because of the difference in earnings.

If they can afford to fix it they don't care. Through I have heard stories of people who own benz/bmws that literally break down in tears because their car needed thousands of dollars in repairs and they couldn't pay it.
I never said that dumbass. Nice projection though.

>ripping off
Not understanding costs and value...

Not car dealer

Car dealerships absolutely rip people off every single day. I'm sorry that breaks the delusional fantasy world you live in.

LOL jealous much?

Go get ripped off on craigslist then expert

Grocery stores make dick because the market is super competitive. Not the "it's a scam" guy but cars are a poor investment and people consistently make bad financial decisions surrounding them. That being said those people drive down prices in the used market so it's no problem for me. Sheep gotta get shorn somehow.

>I never said that dumbass
You kinda did, you immediately dismiss them as 'fags, idiots, and little dicks' because their wealthy enough to buy a luxury car. You're not even attacking the car itself, just being a hater.

You are generalizing.
Besides, I don't know how shit works in United States. But where I live, prices are fixated by law or something alike.

Because its a Jaguar you fucking faggot. Its the absolute laughing stock of performance luxury vehicle brands. A G70 is a better luxury car, and the gooks only started making them.
If you can't play with your toys or show them off, they're useless. But hey, keep projecting. I drive 600hp track toy when I'm not working so it's no skin off my nose. :^)

>dur only rich people buy luxury cars
so you're dumb AND underaged. don't you have school tomorrow?

I don't have to lie to people's faces when I do my job. Do full research cars my area. 1) No dealer in 100m radius has the base model which is a teaser. I don't want to pay another 2K for shit I don't need like fancier rims.2) dealer has switched to no-hassle pricing. We don't have to haggle you just pay MSRP. MSRP stickers on car at dealer are higher than MSRP listed on cars sites (the same on all the sites and yes for my area) 3) different dealer tries to tell me offered price (which is higher than high end range on car sites for same model) is only $100 bucks above invoice and that's all the profit they're making. a. invoice isn't really invoice anymore b. sales floor had more than a dozen dealers c. they just built a multi-million dollar building addition on a main street and the guys trying to tell me they only make a $100 bucks per car 3) trying to do financing all of them (4 dealers) trying to convince me 6% deal is ultimately cheaper than their 0% financing because of cash back. All of them as comparison gave interest for the first payment and not total interest, none of them could show me a simple amortization table for the loan and 3 of 4 claimed to not know what an amortization table was 4) possible deal buying a car that was in my companies lease fleet. Still under warranty. Even though contract has check box for indicating car sale date and expressly states dealer is not in any way responsible for manufacture's warranty and is only passing on information, dealer has car being sold "as is" There is no way t prove car manufacture warranty start date from manufacture web site because car was part of fleet. I point out check box but dealer refuses to alter check entry thereby screwing me out of a year of manufacture coverage. Still no car. With todays internet I don't see why car manufactures don't sell cars at discount directly online and cut out all you lying dickhead middlemen.

Grocery stores have been getting rich and not going out of business forever dummy. Fuckheads wont question their markup or why they are becoming massive chains, yet car dealers are the scum of the earth
We are not getting rich

How does one get a new car if everywhere you go is corrupt?

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You're so fucking boring, just have an fucking opinion man. All you're doing is talking shit.

I also put down $2000 down payment last August for a new car, but they suckered me on the taxes and all that other shit tho..... even the extended warranty(don't ever buy extended warranties- most new cars are absolutely fine right out the factory so long as you take care of them). I went back a week later to back out of the extended warranty. I signed a paper, and was told by finance specialist it would take a few weeks to reimburse the bank. Few weeks go by. Nothing happens. I go back to see what the hold up is. The paper I signed they had no record of and the guy was like "I thought we got that straightened away". I sat there for an hour until the guy FINALLY found the cancellation form I signed. I said I wanted a copy of it. He comes back with a copy of the check that was supposedly mailed to the bank instead. "No I want a copy of the form I signed not the check". I leave with the copy of the form. 2 days later my warranty is spontaneously refunded ($3960).

MFW I fought the dealer and won

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HAHAHA you bought a jag??

Have fun owning a car that depreciates in value quicker than any other luxury sports car there is.

It will literally be worth half of MSRP next year. Nice investment you dumb ass

Stay triggered. Have fun only buying cars off CL which will fall apart.

Like I said earlier. I sell used still under new car warranty. Your post is long and goofy. You sound like a customer no dealer wants. The type who bitches avout a car 2 years out if warranty

There is no “ clear deal” free market bullshit. We get different incentives and rebates which change every month sometimes every week. There is no one size fits all and in order to make everything clear and transparent every other dealership in the US would have to adopt the same principle.

You can cancel any extended warranry and get a prorated refund. If they dont do tbat, it is a f and i guy fucking with you

The low totem salesman on the floor might not be but the owners sure the fuck are. And don't try to feed /b BS. You work on commission you're either out of work real fast or you're a fucking liar because the only way you make money is being more of an underhanded shit than the guy next to you working on commission.

Just mark shit at a set price. If it changes next month due to some incentive, change it next month to the new price. For everyone. No built in haggle fat. This isn't rocket science. I know how the commissioned sales racket works because I worked in it for a while. Quit trying to sell shit at full pop to those with poor negotiating skills and the best prices to the shittiest assholes. You're literally rewarding people for being terrible human beings and punishing everyone else.

calm the fuck down user, no-body got a gun to your head. If you're buying a new car shop around, if not buy a 3-5 year old one that someone's trading in for the new model, and that's 40% of it's new sticker price.

Easiest way to avoid it is have good credit faggot. Dont blame us because you have a508 credit score.

I disagree. “Not the same guy”
I’m 2 months into selling cars and from the training I’ve been given and the deals I’ve sold you don’t have to be a liar and a piece of shit to do well in the business. The person that trained me does the right thing by his clients to get the return business. I am doing the same thing. He no longer has to take “ups” (walk in clients) because of the referrals he has by treating people right. Being new to the business and having my own reservations about what I would have to do to do well in this business was completely false. Just treat people fairly and build the value the car that you are presenting.

You do understand there are different incentives and rebates on every car and it changes from month to month/ week to week. We go and start posting the “REAL” price. It could change within a week. You look at a car on the first of the month and its $12000 then you come in on the 22nd and it’s 12,500 you will claim bait and switch. There is a reason other then because we are all scam artists. The amount of work it would take and the way to market it without looking like bait and switch seems impossible.

Tell that to Honda, Ford VW and Kia. If a 3rd party fucks up and you do t have an extended warranty you could eat the costs. An airbag defect isn’t a manufacturer’s defect because car companies don’t make airbags. Nothing like paying 5K on top of the 40k loan on your new car.

The cereal I bought last week is 27 cents more this week because ti went off sale. Bait and switch!!!

Try again, asshole. If other businesses can update prices when they change then so can you.

You wanted reasons why people think car dealers are scum I gave you 4 examples from a week of trying to get a new car.

Used motor vehicle purchase contract. Midway down. Check boxes.: 1)Original Manufacture' s Warranty.(new or remaining) with expiration 2) Original Manufacture' s Warranty Expired 3) Original Manufacture' s Warranty Cancelled 4) Limited Extended Warranty 5) Other Conditions of sale

Car was still under Original Manufacture warranty check box 1) all dealer had to do is write down expiration date and contract states dealer is not party to warranty instead dealer wrote "As Is" under 5) negating warranty. Probably gets a bonus for every warranty he's able to cut short.

Your type are being the dicks and typical you try to make it like I'm someone trying to get something for free. People who've analyzed the effects of car buying sites indicate that psychology of buyers isn't that they want the best deal so much as they don't want to pay more than everyone else. Like that I would have been fine paying midrange but every dealer has to try squeeze out every last penny.

HOW DO YOU FIND GOOD PEOPLE TO BUY A CAR OFF OF AND WHERE DO YOU SEND IT TO GET IT FIXED.

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No one screams bait and switch about 27 cents. Trying explaining to someone like yourself why the car you saw online is now $1000 more expensive. I tell you it’s because of the rebates which is the truth you gonna say “well I had to spend extra money on my fucking cereal this makes sense!” No, you’re gonna be an asshole and claim bait and switch. I deal with it all the time. I tell people the truth and still get accused of being a liar.

If your type exists there aren't any of you in my city, the one 30 miles north or the one 50 miles south or the one 70 miles east.

This explains a lot. Hahahahahahahahaha

Being new to the business I try my best to go the extra mile for the people I sell cars to because I want to build my reputation for being someone you can trust to buy a car from. I am trying to take the misconceptions that people have about car salesman and show potential buyers the experience of buying a car doesn’t have to be a battle. I get all different types of people. Some people are very friendly and other people want to argue and haggle over a dollar or two. Some clients enjoy the “thrill” of arguing with a salesman in front of their spouse to show them how they “beat the salesman” like I’m a casino or something. I’m just doing my job and my job is to present the car you want to you and help you way out your options and answer the questions you may have.

Lol found the poor autistic retard. This is how capitalism works. Dont like it? Move away.

>40 mongols
wat

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I spent 3 weeks shopping around multiple dealers multiple manufactures same shit. And of course the hours of online research becomes pointless on a monthly basis

>unless you have 750+ credit

thats not hard, just spend less than you make

>I never said that dumbass
Yeah no shit needle dick. It’s almost like that’s something you would never admit. Probably not even to yourself shit-fer-brains.

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>underage
>go to bed
>don’t you have school
DAAAAAAMMMMN FUCKIN WRECKED HIS ASS!

I just know that when you guys start acting like I’m being completely unreasonable I know I’m starting to get in the ballpark.

When you guys act like I’m a total asshole I know I’m still getting fucked but you’re using lube.

>It's like saying errrrr paying a builder / plumber / tiler is a scam hurrrr,
except your plumber will not get someone else to do the job then charge you 10 times the price for it and since you can't afford it he will nicely finance it for you at 0% where the interest is included in the total but you feeling like you getting a deal, the same way about the 'warranty' for the pipes he just fixed. there is a reason they make 150k+/year without any education/skill other than sweet talking/manipulating

>misconceptions that people have about car salesman

No if you were being honest you would say the image of salesmen created by the history of bad people in our industry.

hells angels are busy shoving butt plugs and vaseline up their ass for a ride while listening to classic rock and blasting "she was an american girl"

kek, so you think your local dealerhsip will pay you the same price for your car that you can get when privately selling it? also after you pay for that car they sell you+fees, interest and warranties and all the service costs during the entire term will buy you 3 cars

Hmm. Does the grocery store 60 miles away say “yeah we got plenty of boxes in stock come on down” then when I drive there “oh shit we just sold the last box five minutes ago but here you’ll love this cereal if you just try it”?

/this

so ron jeremy has a jag

you would drive 60 miles for fucking cereal? do you even think about your clever arguments?

Ok let me try again. The image of salesmen created by the history of bad people in our industry is the reason why people I’ve never met a day in my life assume I’m a scumbag or that I’m making a lot of money off of them. Being new when a manager gives you a “pencil” (the price) they leave you very little room to negotiate or give you A flat deal which makes about $100 the reason we are given flat deals is to guarantee our sale and will help us gain experience. Most people I deal with know I’m new and don’t try to give me a hard time because they know I’m really not trying to kill them with pricing.

This is a different poster but I agree with the sentiment

And reason 5) the constant scurrying back in forth to talk with the manager as if you're in their fighting on my behalf to get me the best deal. Anyone born before 2010 knows this maneuver but I have NEVER seen a dealer not do it multiple times.

>The cereal I bought last week is 27 cents more this week because ti went off sale. Bait and switch!!!
You’re a fucking retard.

And thanks for acknowledging I’m clever. I mean I know that but it’s still nice to hear.

Have you gotten the “just initial here to show you’re serious”?

>A flat deal which makes about $100
thats because these days ppl on the floor don't sell the cars, customers know what they want b4 they even get there, yet everyone in the dealership gets paid from the guy that buys the car, the overhead is about 40% of the price. you are just at the bottom now and if you really get 100/sale you are getting royally fucked. the person that finances gets anywhere from 500-2k per deal

To be honest regardless of what crazy number you present depending on the salesman. Our job is to try to get a commitment and get a sale. We get paid in other ways besides commission based upon how many units we sell. Running back and forth to the desk may seem like a gimmick but it’s really us telling our managers “the guy will take the car for X and he’s willing to commit to the buy can we do it?”

Over time the amount of money you make increases with experience. If know the bottom line number of a car is 300 where I will make $100 I will shoot for 310 as my bottom number to make $125 and so on and so forth. It’s the people that will charge you $600 a month with $5000 down who make $1500-$2000 a sale. That’s someone who got fucked. I would rather not do that. Although I’ll make more money up front in the long run I’m only hurting my reputation.

thinking the same thing

you are trying to rationalize you scummy job hard user.
tell me two numbers:
numbers of sales/month and how much would you get paid aprox based on this number that month.

I get yelled at for trying to be more of a “customer advocate” then a killer that will make the dealership a LOT of money. The way I’m being trained working off of your pay plan (money paid out by the company for volume rather then gross income off sales) is just as profitable and can actually make you more. The guy training me brings home $150,000 a year and has to do nothing other then have people come in and ask for him because they always get a good deal from him.

Precisely. To be fair though,sticker is quicker

thats only a 1k difference from what the man had to pay. i would personally take that chance and eat the cost if i had to willingly

>The guy training me brings home $150,000 a year and has to do nothing other then have people come in and ask for him because they always get a good deal from him.
oh i bet, where is the 150k coming from then if he
>has to do nothing other then have people come in and ask for him

The car dealers not making $100 on a car. I might believe if you sell for a certain price you get $100 for the commission of the sale.

Just like in my post earlier where the salesman tried to claim the offer he gave, (which was over the high range of bluebook, carfax etc) was $100 over invoice (the price at one time was supposedly the dealer's cost but is no longer representative). 15 full time dealers on the floor paid minimum wage would need to sell 8 cars a day just to break. But somehow they keep expanding their lots, build multimillion building additions, pay dozens of mechanics, buy hours of add time and still have enough for the owner to be a millionaire

Maybe you're working for a small town mom & pop dealer but not representative of my area

1500 on 30000 is a 5% profit salesman are the bad guy? If only people knew how they were getting “ripped off” and “scammed” on literally any commodity.
I’d say 90% of car buyers are fucking idiots who buy more car than they can afford and drive a market for more complicated and expensive cars than they will ever need. Wanna bitch about scam artists salesman but can’t spend they’re fucking money right with near infinite financial resources specifically related to purchasing a car available online these days.

Im telling you it’s not scummy you just don’t see what’s going on behind the scene. I have done 18 cars this month (so far) March 1st- March 28th. If all of my deals are flats. (Which I would hope they all aren’t) I would make $1800 + $500 bonus for hitting 15 cars then another $600 for hitting 18 cars. Then I get money for getting perfect surveys from my customers. It takes about 2 weeks to come over email but you would receive a survey and if you gave me a perfect score I would make an extra $100. 18 customersX $100 is $1800.
I’m taking home just shy of $5000 for the month. It may not seem like much but you can see how it makes sense to do the right thing by people and you can still make money. I hope this gives you a different perspective on his salesman can make money without screwing you over.

I'm going to key your car for shit and grins

Was the IT manager for a huge auto group for about a year. Bought my last 2 vehicles from the Hyundai dealership. 7 year loan. 3.99% interest through the US bank. 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT sport, 27 miles off the lot. 150% gap, full bumper to bumper warranty, power train. 350.xx monthly. Always go to the same guy.

I just explained that to the other user who asked about pricing. He sells over 30 cars a month and his deals are not flats. He gets calls all day from referred clients that are happy to buy from him. To be honest I have no reason to lie about my job and I’m sharing some insight on what I’m doing everyday.

>1500 on 30000 is a 5% profit salesman are the bad guy?
yup, considering he does not provide any fucking value to scieity and make 1,5k on one client. keep in mind that 5% is x5 at least since there is a chain of command to pay off... and for what? buying and selling a car? they don't do anything and on top
>fucking idiots who buy more car than they can afford and drive a market for more complicated and expensive cars than they will ever need
i wonder who pushes them into spending more then they can afford...

I work for a large dealership in New York we are definitely not a mom and pop I can assure you.

are you the guy that grows weed for high times?

so you making $388/car (5grand home is about 7grand before tax)... thats almost 4x what you stated... that doesn't include your higher ups which get multitude of your income.

If anyone has ever wondered why everyone hates car salespeople and dealerships, read this fucking thread. What a joke.

You are stupid OP.
That is a lease.
You have to return the car after 3 years and pay penalty if you are over mileage or have excessive wear and tear (And you always do have wear and tear.)

The only value to a lease is if you own your own company and need the tax deductions.

Was the car you tried buying from a store of the same manufacturer? Do you understand magnusson moss? Are you a faggot?

All of you know what the car sites are saying for price. If the smarts exceeded the greed of your industry. You know a knowledgeable person most likely is going open with an offer in the low range, you counter with an offer in the high range and settle in the middle. As mentioned before, the psychology is most people will settle for somewhere in the middle. There will be a few who fight for the low range but most just want to do it and be done and are satisfied just with not being ripped off ie paying what others paid. Through this industry could very quickly decreased the range f prices towards that median price so eventually you'd have a standard price without even having to say standard price. But no, the lure of being able to nail the sucker who hasn't wasted literally hours online makes you all try to rake in as much as possible by hook or crook

Actually on the contrary if you are a good salesman and play the long term game. ( repeat business and Referrals) you help them get into a lower payment. Besides that being a sales professional and being knowledgeable on the cars you are selling you can explain the pros and cons of each car without you having to do hours of research. Plus if there is an option you haven’t considered ( perhaps a trim level you didn’t look into) that has what you want but for less we can actually save you money. Please stop making everyone in this business out to be a crook.

I’m actually getting back into it after a ten year hiatus

Any tips?

No because a private seller has no responsibility to you or any liability if they sell you a shit car

*you’re

I wasn’t including tax.... in all reality it’s tough to give you exactly what I make because some deals do better then others. Some make $300 some make $700 some make $100

>He gets calls all day from referred clients that are happy to buy from him
sounds like a call center scammer job. you are just trying to justify your scummy job and you are trying hard because you make good money on it. and i believe you that you truly believe you are not part of a shady industry.

either does the dealership. all they have to do is slap an "as is" sticker on the car.

Lol fni is loving all that back end your giving them

Were obviously reading it you passive aggressive faggot.

so how is that FLAT? you must be fucking retarded

So again, you're the one making $100. The dealer is still making $3k + depending on the car

Actually in our dealership and in most you go the desk to get your “pencil” ( price) because of how frequently the deals can change any given week/ month. That’s the managers job to send you back with a number.

read

dumbass

Usually 300-500

I'm paying $400 a month for a $63k car that I can drop off when the market values goes to shit and I don't eat that loss

My jaguar is FULLY under warranty.

You're a dumbass

he aint making 100/car he just said 100 minimum... faggot is full of shit and he will continue to spin his tales to make himself feel ok about his job

No. That’s gross profit. Salesman make 25% rest keeps the lights on.
No one is making them buy new cars see >idiots

>Not knowing the most powerful Bike Gang in California.

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>I'm paying $400 a month
nice rental dude. too bad you can't drive too much in that nice car cuz you gonna get billed... oh and all the maintenance has to come with anal rape by dealership doesn't it?

We have a call center that recieves calls all day from people inquiring about cars availability. The senior sales associate that’s gets calls all day are repeat clients/ referrals... it isn’t a scam. He did the right thing by them and they came back? I don’t understand what the issue is.

Again. Dealers are not the manufacturer. Say it with me folks the guy who buys a car and sells it to me is not responsible for the warranty wether he sells one car or a thousand.

Probably but I’m learning and I’m still making money. I don’t mind for now.

>No one is making them buy new cars
yeah because you don't make much on new cars- the factory dictates those prices and overheads. where used you can buy for 2 grand and sell for 25

Would you give a discount on a 35000 usd car if it turned out the whole paintjob needs polish/claying because of rail rust you can barely see, but when applying paint protection film it seems like the whole car has sand on it? Didn't notice when picking up the car, as it's a dark grey color, and you can only see it from really up close/running your hand over the bodywork, it feels like sandpaper. The man who applied the paint protection told me he worked on a few brand new cars like this.

First off fuck off second being new the majority of the deals you sell are flat deals. You asked a question and I answered it. An experienced salesman makes more based off of the average commission being hire then a NEW salesman.

if its not a scam the how a person can get paid 150k/year for filling out few pages?

Most likely yes. But the idea that I PERSONALLY take that home is ridiculous.

if this isn't pasta it's about to be. you're one stupid motherfucker op

No, that’s the manufactures problem. Your paint is covered in many cases under warranty and rail dust is not the dealers fault

kek, so you are bottom feeder that still makes about 400/deal on avrg and senior sales guys make MUCH more... what are you trying to prove then?

You are so poor it's sad.

Enjoy your toyota corolla Scotty Kilmer LOL

I like how you skipped the part where I just told you being new the pencil I’m getting ends up leaving me with a flat deal. In our dealership if your deal doesn’t make much you get $100 for the unit. The majority of my deals have been $100 because I’m new. Give me a break guy I’m answering questions to try to give some insight on the business.

my point is if you saved up and bought a 5y/o car you would get good value for your money- right now you are being milked. so enjoy

Yeah just forget the test drives chasing down keys and pulling that hot ass base model versa your looking at from the lot and getting it cooled off for you first. Or the ceaseless calls from people who forget your in sales an not service. Sure no work involved

I’ve made more profit on used personal vehicles than I ever have at a new dealership and also made more selling used there

I turned an 06 salvage title Jeep I had probably 8k in total and sold it for 6.5 after 5 years

Also my 2010 wrangler I sold I bought for 23 and drove 40k and sold it for 20

I am getting back into selling to get enough money to just start flipping them myself as it’s much more lucrative

But it's the dealership who sold me the brand new 0 km car? Isn't it like getting a brand new phone with a scratch on the screen? Should I contact the maker of the car directly, or start some kind of a process from the dealership?

Because of other salesman who screw people over and being known in a highly populated area as the guy that DOES NOT do that. Word travels quick.

>insight
>new
Good job user your the new fag salesman

yeah so you get 100 min, but according to numbers provided by you, you are avrg is about 400/sale... so wtf are you talking about your pencil dick. you know well you make much more then 100/sale. even the way you are explaining this shows how much of a con artist you are.

bump

Do you have a clue what a 5 year old jaguar will cost in maintenance (not to mention payments) in just 3 years?

More than the fucking lease i got dipshit

you are so brainwashed you're stupid

Magnusson Moss still requires you to know the sell date of the vehicle. Manufacture warranty is based of the dealer sell date. My company leased car for 2 years. Standard three year manufacture warranty. Company got car new. I know date when company got car which would be start date of warranty. If you go to manufacture site you can enter vin which will usually tell you sell date/start date of warranty. Site says information not available. I am told reason for this is because car is part of a rental fleet although company only has that one car. I have no official documentation that shows start date of warranty. I have contract hat could easily show start date but dealer will only do contract "as is" so a contract that says I accept that there is no warranty even though technically there is and I know the start date but have no legal proof.

Just because you can name drop legal doesn't mean you know shit

I’ve had one deal make $400 this month that’s not my average. You’re twisting my words for no reason. Eventually I will get to that point but as of now no.

kek, are you faggots fucking delusional?

How much of a fucking idiot are you? So you think if there's ever ANY issue you should go directly to the manufacturer? So basically you're saying there is no purpose in having dealerships at all and we should get rid of them right? Because I would 100% be on boat with them, if that's what you're saying. I have a good feeling though you're just a dipshit.

you said you soald 18 cars, you brought home 5grand... numbers don't add up to 'around 100/car' my dude... where the fuck do you think your bonuses are coming from? your bosses pocket you mong?

Start at the dealer with the service department so it’s documented. When they laugh you out of the room saying it happened after you left I. The car and they’ve never seen it before count your losses and move on. You learned something new, rail dust is pretty obvious, pitting from rail dust is pretty obvious. You’ll appreciate your car more and save time/money by spending some time diying it. YouTube

he is saying that the dealership will not pay for those things but they will bill the manufacturer... dealerships ONLY sell cars and thats what they get paid for...

And you do ALL of that in one day? Wow, you poor baby. Guess we should tell anyone in manual labor that barely makes living wages to stfu, you have it so fucking hard compared to them.

The numbers I gave you aren’t my sales. I’ve had one $700 deal, another $400 and the rest were $100 deals. I’ve done 18 in total. My average is $150 a car. I’m no con artist you’re just being an asshole.

But you're admitting to it being a game write there. Yes prices change monthly and maybe even weekly. That means at the beginning of he day you get a sheet that says this is the target price we want and this is minimum. Your explanation is no explanation for doing this for every customer and multiple times for each deal

Sounds like the vehicle was rented and not sold. You aren’t buying a lease the person letting you lease it owns the warranty

Did you read to what I replied?

>The numbers I gave you aren’t my sales
so you just made those up? i asked you for YOUR numbers... how much you brought home for selling 18 cars then?

There is no sheet. We go up to the desk to get the numbers we are allowed to present that’s what you are misinterpreting. We do not make the numbers it’s a managers job to do so because they have to keep up to date on the rebates and programs.

If it’s brand new and not damage that happened on the lot? Absolutely

I just gave the numbers to you. Including my average.

>rebates
kek

Not my fault wages can’t keep up with cost of living

Rebate* really guy?

you gave a lot of numbers... 5grand, 18 cars, 400 avrg, 700most expensive car, 400 second most exp car, rest at 100... none of these numbers add up- this is exactly my point why you are a lying piece of shit

Example I gave earlier 15 or so dealers even at minimum wage would require 2-3 sale a day just to make their salary. Add in multimillion dollar expansion projects, overhead for being in city, 30 some mechanics and shop floor people, hours of tv advertising and somehow the owners are still millionaires. They'd have to be selling every car on the lot on a daily basis to support that on $500 / car

rebate at a dealership is a top tier meme

Ignore the mongoloids. I have a real question. Is there ever a time where you can actually "see what you can do" and it matter

So let’s do it one more time.
MY numbers this month were 18 cars sold. 16 of them are flats which makes me $100 each. One of them was $400 the other was $700. I don’t know how else to explain this. I have no reason to lie about it. You’re a dick head who just likes to argue.

Explain

what was your total gross income for that month then? including your bonuses

Yes, again trying to gain repeat clients seeing what you can do on a deal is just simply asking a manager can we do this deal for X or would I do is say Mr. user is willing to take the car at X, if the manager agrees I come back and give you the car you want for thr price you want and you will then give me a good review and referrals which will make me more money in the long run for doing the right thing.

You are what is called a green pea op.
Dealerships hire you to act as a paperwork agent for their best sales people. You get a half point for selling cars that other guys brought in by referral and appointment.

Former Ford Grand Master here.

You have to sale 8 cars a month or the dealership will blow you out.

And they got you to lease a car from them too?

LOL

Lemme know when you get hookers to suck your cock while doing lines of coke in a minivan on the lot.

About $5000 like I originally said. I’m hoping to do better next month.

so you were lying about flat fees- this 100 flat rate is a bottom line if you absolutely fail to up-sale the car. if not how come you made more on the 700 sale?

Yes good salesman often fight to sell a car to a customer even if it doesn’t make them minimum wage for the amount of time they spent dealing with the customer. I see it happen often.100 deal and weeks of talking, hours on the phone. There’s Equity in being someone people see as a customer advocate

5000/18 is 277. and thats just simple fucking math. why would you say you only make 100/sale FLAT ? if you know this is a lie.

Flat rate is isn’t a fee it’s my commission on the sale. The $700 was when the senior sales associate helped me complete my first deal. Stop saying I’m lying. Take your pick either I “absolutely fail to up-sale the car” or I’m actually making “$400 average”

How long you been in the business for user?

You said including my bonuses you retard.

Jim Shaffer

did you pass a math class after age 10?

I’m trying to answer all of your questions and you’re being an asshole the whole time. Why don’t you actually ask me something else that you genuinely want to know? Or have you just been trolling me and I’ve been replying to your shit the whole time

ITT user believes he’s outed an entire industry as scam artist

What make cars is your dealership? New or preowned? How’d you find out about the job?

It's bullshit that state laws prohibit buying cars directly from the manufacturer, or off like Amazon and we have to go through scummy car salesmen.

and where do you think those are coming from?
if you truly believe this is still 100 flat then you are just as retarded as people that buy cars with 0% interest and believe they actually pay no interest to the bank they have a credit with.

Nissan and it’s both new and pre owned.
I found out about the job from a friend. I’ve worked as a carpenter the last 5 years and I hurt my back so an old client of mine who worked at Nissan referred me and got me in for an interview.

Bro your shitty $30 mustangs lease for $500 a month with money upfront.

I got a $64k sports car for $400 a month I know you're a shitty salesman lol

You’re 100% right but we are talking about my pay and my job.

its like trying to explain compound interest to a home owner

Car was leased through a dealership company that does leases for company fleet cars. At two years lease is up and leasing company can lease a new car for another 2 years. Dealership takes car and sells at auction but they make a deal about selling the car to the company or to company employees as a win-win because buyer gets good (not as good as they say but decent price) and they make more than what they get at auction. Standard manufacture warranty is attached to vin regardless of owner and official starts when car leaves dealership. If I was to buy the car I would still have the remaining time after the 2 years but I would need proof as to when the start date was. I should have been able to get this from manufacture site. But no because, as I was told, it was a fleet purchase. Yes in the 2 years the car was being leased and the ownership/warranty belonged to owner which was dealer. Car was being sold. Manufactures warranty goes with the car. But because car was out of dealers hands for two years, even though dealer was owner so first owner is technically me, two years get knocked off. Understand that. But the car still has it third year. Contract only requires info from dealer that states the date car originally left their lot for warranty start date. They refuse to enter that info on contract. I have date, they emailed date, contract says they have no responsibility yet they will only sign contract " as is" which means I legally state there is no warranty. I see no gain from this for dealership other that they must get some bonus for doing this from manufacture.(Ford)

you mean your scam? and you shady fucking money

How long you been with it?

But this number doesn't change on an hourly basis. Car price isn't day trading. Why do you have to keep going back to get the same number?

About to hit 2 months

That sucks that you are being replaced huh?
Too bad the people who have done this job in the past have made such a bad name for you.
I have had an engine seize in a (new to me) used vehicle because I guess the dealer new it was trash and either didn't put oil back in it or tainted what was in it.
Dealer said it must have been something I did...
Good thing new cars are being sold online now.
Tesla is the future they just need to make a family friendly car and they could take over.

Good question. Like I told the other user Nissan corporate has different programs and incentives for us and for the consumer based upon what car they want sold more. The other reason is based on an individuals credit score. The price of a lease for a 750 credit score is lower then the person with the 500 score

its not the same number, the manager makes up a number on the go with a minimum in mind, and this cuck actually believes there are external factors affecting the price.

That's good to know. Appreciate the information.

just wait user, the day will come when you can buy a car right off of amazon and dealerships and the fuckbags that work at them can fuck right off

But you see you're almost proving the point. Guy at the bottom make nothing while the guy on top rakes it in. Sooner or later you say this is BS and quit or since people hate you anyways you decide to become the person you claim not to be in order to make money. Commission sales eat good people up user.

There are other factors affecting the price other then just because the manager feels like it. That’s ridiculous. A $15,000 car has a lower monthly payment then a $30,000. Yes the manager has to keep the minimum in mind but what I said also applies.

no they wont, look up what lobbyist is.

Eat a bag of dicks. What’s your day job? I would love to criticize what you do for a living for no reason other then to be a piece of shit.

this, user is clearly naive and drawn by what seems like ez money

It's already happening. You're kidding yourself if you think buying cars online won't become a thing. People said the same shti about retail 10 years ago and look where we are now. Everybody hates dealerships they just put up with it because they have too.

Lol, you sure you should be answering question about the business? Unsolicited advice, live below your means, and pay attention to the guy who’s to busy to train you because he’s always got a customer not the one who tells you how much he makes

dude, the only thing that can vary is customers credit score IF they want it financed... the base price should not change... if they can drop few grand at will imagine how much they fucking make on each car from people that come in and pay the asking price.

OK I could buy this for once. Now how about the other 2-4 times?

>buy a car right off of amazon
tesla.com/support/how-ordering-workS

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you don't have to- buy your cars from mechanics... they make money on fixing the cars up and give you free warranty- an actual fucking service

But that’s where you are wrong. The bonuses we make off of volume can outweigh high commission sales. You can still do the right thing and make a lot of money. Like I said the guy that trained me makes $150,000 a year because he works his pay plan rather then just the commission plan. I would rather do 20 flat deals with Nissan money then 10 great deals with nothing. I get repeat clients and the reviews. Plus the dealership sees that you sell high volume which for me being new I get to keep my job. Everybody wins.

hahaha yeah and then come back to tesla with every flat tire you get because the car is 100% controlled by them. you can;t even hoist it up

It is mind blowing how salty you are at the idea that people don't have to put up with your gayness to buy a fucking car. Remind me again how you're supposedly one of the 'good guys'?

jealous of what? your small dick?

See John Deere and right to repair movement

Unfortunately the people that always have a customer are vicious and try to steal all of our deals since we are new. They don’t train people they are only out for themselves and try to fuck new salesman over. Also the way they negotiate I can’t do because I don’t know as much when it comes to the actual price the dealership bought the car for/ what incentive we have for selling car at X rather then Y

I am no longer in the business.
I was in the business while I was in college.
back in 1989 or so.

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hahahaha. being this stupid. no wonder people shit on americans

But you are also forgetting leasing and if someone if willing to put money down on the lease then we can make their monthly payment less. Money down, interest, and down payment play a big part too

Bro you really fucked yourself.
$2000 down for a $60k car?

You shouldn't be buying (or god forfuckingbid lease) a $60k car unless you're buying it straight up.

You better own a house and have paid off your mortgage before you buy a $60k car.

You better have a retirement fund before you buy a $60k car.

You know what your yearly maintenance is? Do you know what service will cost? Do you know what's going to happen when something breaks? Are you ready for a $10,000 repair bill that would have been $700 - $1300 if you had a $10k or $20k car?

If you weren't retarded you would have had more than $2000 and would have put more than $2000 down.

You're making a huge fucking mistake and you aren't going to realize it for a year or so.

Nice buying a shitty ass resell value jaguar

What do you mean by that?

i'm not a car salesman. diff user

$500 profit per car requires him to sell 25 cars /month just to pay his salary alone.

Tesla is like Walmart self check out. Sell yourself a car do all the paperwork and no difference in price. How did you make the better choice again? By constructing to the automation of jobs?

Fight a skate
establish dominance
Profit

>But you are also forgetting leasing
i fucking said financing... leasing is another way of financing the car you dumbfuck... straight up buying a car means you drive off with a car that you own. gotta try harder

The longer you work for Nissan the more Nissan money you get for your reviews and your dealership money ( volume of Cars) I don’t have those specific numbers off hand since I’m not even close to being at that point yet. Also that guy doesn’t sell just flats. If someone is a real asshole he will kill them with the price just out of spite and will not send them a survey

>back to tesla
we need a non luxury electric brand.
idk how much of the computer shit is required by law but these things could be so much more simple.
I don't need a fucking gps much less self driving.
electric car =/= computer

Repair bill?

It's fully under WARRANTY that's the point of a lease lol

$65k+ tax = $70k car nice try to make it sound like it's a $60k car lmfao

Do you see how old I am, you're really a dumbass

tesla is like apple user.. stay the fuck away form that shit

yeah well gl then. tesla is a full out robot- it even has a specific mode when its in a garage.

Umm no. You return your lease after 36 months... you don’t return your financed car you keep it... you also aren’t limited to mileage. We can’t get people with terrible credit into a lease unless they put a lot of money down. These are two separate things.

What I mean is you sit down with the salesman and they are repeatedly going up and down to talk with the manager. Sales technique: 1) it's supposed to create the illusion that dealer is in conflict with manager fighting to make deal 2) psychology is the more time you commit a person to the sales process the more likely the sale. The kill to the sale is the person willing to walk off and the longer you can keep them sitting the less likely they will do this because of the time already committed. Add a woman into the mix and this tactic becomes even more effective.

Lets see
>Deal with some shady dumbfuck with a fake job that tries to nickle and dime you at every possible step when all you want to do is buy a fucking car and leave
>Buy a car online with one click
Yes, automation is a concern but in the case of car salesmen I'm okay with it

kek, yeah sure i wanna see a lease where you can put a million miles on it without additional cost/cost that is not included... point being is
if they can drop a price by few grand at will, how much are they scamming people that come in and buy that car straight up for asking price.

May just be ahead of its time. What better collector car 50 years from now than a car that’s been in a shed on a trickle charger for decades?

Here is how you buy a car.

1. Obtain your own financing.
2. Go to the dealership pick your car.
3. Ask them to add the extended warranty.
4. Complete the deal.
5. Take the contract to your bank etc and have them cut a check for the CASH amount on the dealers contract.
6. Go back to the dealership and meet with the Finance guy you saw when you completed the deal. Tell him to cancel the Warranty and give him the check for the "cash price"

The dealership makes more money on the warranty than on the car and accessories. So they always put all the money in the warranty.

This usually gets you a car for "invoice" far below MSRP.

Profits vary by model if you buy the basic car (GL or L model?) invoice will be about $300 behind MSRP.. BUT GT's LTD's etc usually have huge mark ups.

Either way you do not need to haggle you just need to understand you have the right to pay cash and no interest within 7 days in most States.

Ok shill

I don’t play into the psychology of the dealership. I treat people the way they should be treated and I get plenty of sales. You would be shocked how many people come to me and buy from me Specifically because I treated them kindly and didn’t play games with them. Also I hate having to get up from the desk over and over again because it makes me lose my credibility as a sales professional and since I’m already New it makes me look even worse. I try to fight for the customer when I go up for my first pencil so I can give you a good deal off the bat and can gain your business again.

>May just be ahead of its time.
its not, but their business model is very similar to apple. overpriced, over-hyped and branded product that will cost you a fortune for what it actually is

Kind of a side topic. Other than rich guys and urbanites do you know anyone who wants a damn self-driving car. Most car adds concentrate on the fun & freedom of driving. What are ads for self-driving cars? Now you can spend the half hour to and from work doing work? You can't hide where you go now?

Oh no I meant on a financed car you can do as many as you want for mileage. On a lease we offer 12K, 15K and 18K and yes I agree with you paying sticker price would make me a LOT of money.

I bet if they cut the computer I could afford it.
All I need is 4 wheels to get around town with.
I don't travel far it's basically getting to work which is in the town I live in and getting groceries also in the same town.
I don't need self driving to go to walmart.
I only really use a car in the winter since the groceries will fit on my bike.
family of 4.

>yes I agree with you paying sticker price would make me a LOT of money.
and that is ok in your head?

I don’t disagree but dog shit cars have seen equity before

That's where I'm wondering about the laws.
If I say purchase a frame and throw an electric motor and batteries on it how much more do I need for street legal USA?
Is that where most of the cost comes from?

i have good news for you, you can pick up an old volvo for about 3grand. no electronics, has 4 wheels that will never come off and you have very safe car for your two autists in the back seat

>6
>
>Bro you really fucked yourself.
Yeah the fact that it's a lease doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

What kind of a retard leases that car?
You just paid $16k to drive a car for 3 years and have it taken away.

Plus whatever extra you pay for miles.

Don't go saying your rich, rich people don't do foolish shit like that and they buy nicer cars.

Well that’s where doing the right thing by people comes in. If you agree to pay $400 a month I will say hold on let me see if I can do better for you and I’ll bring you down to $380 (if the desk doesn’t chew me out) because not only did I give you the car at the price you wanted I got it LOWERED without you asking for it. I would have you as a customer for life by doing thr right thing and would get a lot of referrals by you

Not OP, but leasing has become awesome over the past decades.

I used to buy cars, but I have switched to leasing my daily drivers almost 9 years ago. Have gone through 3 cycles now, going to choose another brand new car this summer. I'm currently driving a BMW 4 series.
As a consumer, that would cost ~410 Euro a month including full insurance, full guarantee and 20.000km a year (I live in the city, I drive 17.500km/year on average). I have zero additional costs, even If the car breaks down or if I crash it. Would not cost my a dime.
That alone is a good deal.

Now I do own a small company, so I get heavy tax benefits because I can deduct value added tax and save trade taxes and income taxes. My actual net cost for the car is somewhere around 250 Euro a month, which is an insanely good deal for a nice new car every three years.

But even if I was a consumer, I would probably go for a lease.

I also own a 1991 Porsche 964 convertible for fun.

Use 3000 to buy you a corolla ranger or accord anything more for getting groceries once a week is pointless

It is not that the price of an existing car changes.
It is that the promotions the Manufacturers may offer change daily.

Rebates.
Advertising dollars to the dealership.
Promotions and bonuses. (Often called spins)

The game is how to get a customer so confused that they will sign a six year contract.

The sales person earns a percentage of profit commission and may get a spin as mentioned above. This is a Bonus based on the cars vin that gets a random amount of money assigned to it by the manufacturers usually anywhere from $50 to $5K.

lol
but if I know a bit about electric motors and want to turn the whole thing into a hobby I might start looking at... idk...
Making the thing last forever. Titanium.
Making it the most efficient. Upgrade-able hardware (batteries)
Then focus on things like safety and comfort.
I already have the volvo. I don't get to dream at all?

So you're playing the psychology of they give you a better deal on the car because they think you're a rube for getting the warranty and expect them not to say fuck off with your bait and switch when they see the cash.

Look close at extended warranties. They're usually given in tiers and only the top tier covers the computer systems. They technically lie on mid tiers because they will say things like "this covers everything that allows the car to run" which is also technically true if you can drive around without knowing your speed and gas level which is digital and part of computer system.

>Well that’s where doing the right thing by people comes in. If you agree to pay $400 a month
wtf are you talking about monthly payments ... i just said to you about buying straight up you mental gymnastics sociopath. your asking prices are WAY to high and you know it, you trying to scam people, trying to squeeze every penny out of their pocket... if you will be just selling cars you would say the car A is x dollars, you don't want it go somewhere else. but if that would be the case you would not be making 5 grand a month for sweet talking people, i bet you wouldn't even have the job because it will take one person to operate the whole place.

>anything more
Oil changes.
Standard maintenance.
Gas station visits.
"Impossible" to replace ac compressor.
etc etc etc
electric has only a few maintenance needs and I can preform them myself.

A internal combustion engine is much "more"

Money talks, cash screams. Try it some time

>I have zero additional costs, even If the car breaks down or if I crash it. Would not cost my a dime.
>That alone is a good deal.
rly? where do you take it for maintenance?

>I don't get to dream at all?
no, get back to work

Jaguar? What’s Christ user, you overpaid for what’s essentially a ford.

Oh I didn’t read that part. I’m pretty tired and I have work in a couple of hours. Either way it’s been fun talking. Have a good night.

Addresses earlier new cars sale for about a 3% profit. If your mad about the cost of cars blame the consumers. If your mad you have to deal with a salesman buy your neighbors

Street legal is dependent on location. Different state by state, county by county, even town by town. Don't think anywhere would let you build your own unless you followed some approved design.

What about Cougar? its like a Jag isn't?

Where the heck is this?. Lived various places in south & Midwest and haven't even seen junkers for under $10k.since the 90's

>40 mongols came and set them straight

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>Addresses earlier new cars sale for about a 3% profit
i'm blaming scamming dealerships for scamming people

From the very bmw dealer I get the cars from, who also is a licensed service partner. Maintenance is pretty much included. I pay less than 500 per car per 3 years for oil changes and the occasional windshield wiper, but this also goes on my companys accound

what? i can pick up a car for $500 tomorrow, CERT and licenced. Volvos are more because how reliable and safe they are.

Unless you have a medical condition you don’t need a/c. Elon would beg to differ about your diy maintenance. If you can’t afford forty dollars in oil and filters and a wrench you can’t afford the payment on a used ev

They can not say fuck off at that point.
If I completed the deal I have a contract.
(Usually you drove off in the car too.)

The finance guy does not work on commission and is the only one you need to go back and see. They can not say no. They just don't get too many folk who read the contract and buy out within 7 days.

The sales department can't do shit about it.
(Except they will not want to ever sell you another car.)

The only purpose in agreeing to the extended warranty is to get the cars price down in the paperwork. You are not going to buy the warranty.

Save your self thousands and fly to the middle of fucking no where and buy for pennies on your Portland Oregon dollar

Nice ass car OP

You're a different tax bracket user. You're of the breed that drives into the dealership mechanic and just says fix it. so of course a lease is going to be cheaper than the padding the mechanics have been adding to the price. Its not a good option for us non-beamer folk

Never finance a car... ever
Don't borrow money
Car loans are fucking stupid
Drive what you can ACTUALLY afford
Unless, of course, you want to be a broke middle class joker living the life of payments.
Own you car, Own your house, don't use credit cards.
Everyone I know is broke as fuck cause they buy dumb ass shit

This worked great for first car. This time I was in a need that 2nd car back situation and a few grand short so was trying to get one of the 0% deals being offered at the time. Perfect credit was meaningless. Sick of being lied to so now waiting a few more months while being chauffer to ensure cash cushion before doing it that way again.

Again, where? Last time I saw cars under a grand was in Chicago in the 90's. Moved to TN and got sticker shock of my life. Haven't seen a car under $10k since

But contract would include the warranty

I bought my partner a car last week from 2CheapAuto Auckland, New Zealand.

Turns out the exhaust on it was totally fucked. 4 ways Fucked. Gas was leaking from exhaust. Black excrement was leaking, gas smell when driving, loud unhealthy noise from under the hood. I took it for a test drive, but never noticed since I didn't accelerate too much considering I wasn't used to the car and wanted to be careful.

1: Bent at the tip due to driver hitting something

2: Bent in the middle due to driver hitting something

3: Intentionally tampered with to try sound louder by previous owner.

4: 2Cheap or previous owner already tried to fix it with glue which didn't do shit.

Was a couple weeks of pain trying to get 2cheap to pay for it and taking it to 3 different mechanics but eventually got it sorted.

american bike gangs are fuckin hilarious

You saw me write south and Midwest. I'm about as middle of nowhere as you can get outside of the Dakotas. Where did you get Portland from?

I am far from ritch user. I make around €85k/year as a lawyer and around 100k in sales with my company, netting me another ~20k (2018). I own an appartment in the city and pay rent for an additional parking spot (the 964) in the garage under the appartment complex here.

Big Supreme Court case with them recently. Government can't use Rico to take away their legally registered trademark

OI JOLLY ROGER ?!?!?

You're still in the top 10% so to most people you still count as one of the rich. Doesn't seem that way to you because the spread of that 10% is enormous

And ouch. Not the best thread to mention you're a lawyer user. Your profession might be the only one that is viewed with more animosity than a car dealer. Of course Shakespeare didn't know any car dealers.

Nope extended warranty will be listed as an add on. Finance guy will cancel it with out any hassles.
He is paid salary plus profit sharing which includes advertising dollars based on units sold.. He could give 2 shits about the warranty.

As I said in the first post.
Get your own finance for the car price and cancel the contract offering the F&I guy the cash price. Car at cost no haggling.

I agree.
My point is what is the bulk of the cost of an ev?
The batteries?
or some computer software?

I thought I was skimping putting a 3k down payment on a 11000 car lmao at least I didn't literally throw money away