Why haven't you taken the yang pill?

LOLNO the US is 70% of Amazon's income

>You think they are going to leave just because we took all their money away?

Yes obviously you retard

"The Defense Department’s Inspector General, in a June report, said the Army made $2.8 trillion in wrongful adjustments to accounting entries in one quarter alone in 2015, and $6.5 trillion for the year. Yet the Army lacked receipts and invoices to support those numbers or simply made them up." 2013-2014 Army Branch Audit

no you're an autist

Because I prefer MDMA

Do you not have even the slightest background on the budget of the US? Or are you just hoping people reading your post don't?

We all know Yang2020 is just accelerationist garbage.
Yangbux would never even roll out if we did meme him into power.
He'll just cuck the US and seal the fate of the west.

$82 billion of their $118 billion profit last year came from the US. They wont leave.

You know better, then prove me wrong. The US wastes most of it's money in frivolous military spending.

>The army got audited and didn't spend their money properly one year, that means they have unlimited money

Eat more glue

Are you stupid? Or just dumb?

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ok ive seen the $4.2 trillion amount before. where the fuck are people getting that number? the absolute most i can get isnt even $400 billion. is there just 4 billion adults living in america i dont know about?

Lmao yang doesn't support the green new deal fuck off with your lies

hello yang troll army

youtube.com/watch?v=HR3bfxaNDLw

you have been exposed

300,000,000 * 1,000 = 300,000,000,000
>3 hundred billion
300,000,000,000 * 12 = 3,600,000,000,000
>3.6 trillion

You do know that it's $1k/mo not $1k/year right?
The 3.6 trillion mark is the high estimate, if Yangs words were law it would be somewhere in the 2 trillion mark.

A big chunk of people who watch millie and other Infowars people like PJW and the fatman are part of these "leftist meme factories".
They didn't have to infiltrate. They could have just asked.

328000000 * 100
32,800,000,000

I wouldn't say its that number either.
To assume anyone could manage that amount of money 100% efficiently is just as insane.
(even more so a revolving door of bureaucrats)

Sourced from a Washington post article.
"No, we don’t spend $1 trillion on welfare each year"

The refundable part of the Earned Income Tax Credit ($55 billion), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families ($21 billion), Supplemental Security Income ($43.7 billion), food stamps ($75 billion), and housing vouchers ($18 billion) and the Child Tax Credit. All together, that’s around $212 billion dollars.

to be clear
208000000000 / 328000000
$634.1463.... per person

Clearly we already have a better system in place.... because it doesn't treat everyone equally.

A normal healthy person doesn't need 12,000$ a year.

A single mom feeding 4 kids, a guy who cant lift his groceries or a someone who sees demons could use some help.

Do you know how a deficit is made? By spending more than you make.

I can't wait when automation fucks your job at McDonalds

hey i have that meme...
oh wait no.
my meme is better.

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Lol ? Where did you get 4 trillion from your ass? Di actual maths you fool

The Defecit is included in that image you But that's literally not relevant because the image shows TOTAL SPENDING, Regardless of source. We didn't even spend as much as you claim we lost.
It would be like you making $25k a year, spending $30k a year, and claiming you lost $40k that year due to an accounting error.

"Automation" is a furuturist virtue signal to push agendas that are unsupportable.
There is no technological basis for your assertion of imminent mass automation.

>millie weaver

people actually listen to this roastie?

replying to my self because no one wants a rational conversation.

The interesting data to find would be how much all of these programs actually paid out.

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You're completely missing the argument of the real UBI advocates.
They claim that we live in a technological utopia so there literally isn't work.
They claim everyone needs the money because the workforce will be so small but produce absurd amounts of wealth.
The problem is it's a baseless bright eyed hope filled claim.
Yang himself said that anyone currently receiving benefits wouldn't get $1k more.

An audit includes difference of reporting and statements. And you fail to realize that the military is also responsible for more than just the military budget.The military is responsible for defense, parts of welfare, foreign aid, part of government spending, and disaster relief.

Because Yang doesn't go far enough.

UBI of 1000$ is at least a place to start. 400 billion dollar a year, but you can make up for that: higher taxes for the rich, closing tax loopholes, cut some spending of the 4 trillion dollar military budget.
You could easily double that, and make it 2k$ a month, and adding mandatory universal healthcare insurance for every citizen.

>lazy faggots everywhere will just stay home and do nothing instead of working
wrong, you just need to give people actual monetary incentive to work now. So you also have the 1:12 law in place, which simply states that the lowest payed employee (i.E. janitor) can't be payed less than 1/12 of the earnings of the highest payed employee (i.E. CEO) of any company.

And that's how you turn capitalism into a at least somewhat agreeable and somewhat fair system.

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>The military is responsible for defense, parts of welfare, foreign aid, part of government spending, and disaster relief.
This is all federal spending.
This is all encompassed in the federal spending figure.
Do you honestly think if I write down $10 every time I spend $5 that means I can afford to spend twice as much?

The current system certainly isn't better. I make $5 above minimum wage and struggle to make ends meet due to a combination of low work hours and insane rent in my area. I make too much for any aid, and cant afford to go to a doctor for many issues I have nor do I have the money to fight for disability. I'm stuck and I'm probably going to die before I see any change that will help me.

The truth is simply we have way more then enough to pay for it but we are too brain washed by special interests to actually get it done.

We bailed out the banks it didn't work, we bailed out the automotive companies it didnt work, we bailed out the housing sector it didn't work, its time we bail out the people who actually need it the most the american people.

What he is saying about automation is 100% true only the short sighted cant see it coming once the truckers are out of a job the real pain will start.

Some will try to say it socialism well iv never heard of a socialist country that just gives their
citizens a dividend

Others will say that people will become lazy and not want to work anymore but the truth is that $1000 not even enough to cover food and Bills for a month so if you want to maintain your quality of life you will still need to work.

Power is money, money is power many politicians speak on empowering minorities, women ect... but few are actually willing to put tangible power into their hands every month.

TLDR vote for yang you indoctrinated fools

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>a difference of statement and spending
That includes under reports, over reports, and missing statements. Any difference is calculated as a "cost" which is not entirely accurate.

Get yo Yang bucks

>UBI of 1000$ is at least a place to start. 400 billion dollar a year,
Let's talk in millions. there are nearly 300m adults in the US.
300m * 12,000 is 3,600,000m. Not 360,000m. You brainlet.

>but you can make up for that: higher taxes for the rich, closing tax loopholes
Potential taxes are nothing but a mirage. You can look at the GDP of a country and think "If I tax at 100% I'll take that in", but it won't happen.
Tax code could be simplified and reduced to promote real economic activity, generating more GDP, generating more taxes at a lower rate though.
It's basic ass shit.

>cut some spending of the 4 trillion dollar military budget.
This is an actual place of debate. But if you're a globalist retard who thinks militaries are obsolete in 2019 you're beyond help.

>You could easily double that... (and add) universal healthcare
lol no.

>So you also have the 1:12 law in place, which simply states that the lowest payed employee can't be payed less than 1/12 of the earnings of the highest payed employee
And where does this 1/12 number come from? Someone's ass? This will grossly discourage entrepreneurial ventures specifically because one man risks his entire life savings and doesn't even have a potential to make up for it. The fact that you think a janitor is an example of the lowest paid employee honestly shows how little life experience you have. This will also make businesses less economically robust. A lot of businesses run out of the owners pockets for years in the red. If the owners don't have those pockets the doors simply shut.

>And that's how you turn capitalism into a at least somewhat agreeable and somewhat fair system.
While it may sound agreeable from one perspective from the other it's state backed extortion from the other perspective.
The reality is, if no one NEEDED to work, then companies would have to compete for employees. So the 1/12 mandate is harmful, arbitrary, and redundant. The market would naturally find the right fraction.

Pay yo taxes your go to jail while the top 1% and huge corporations pay nothing. Sometimes we even have to pay them.

I know it feels unfair sometimes.
But economic inequality is what makes modern civilization possible.
Generally it's been decided over the last ~300 years that a meritocracy is the "fairest" and most stable system for it.
If you don't have people with deep pockets you don't have investment so you don't have innovation so you don't have progress.

Nice try shareblue. I'm not going to vote for bernie and I'm not going to vote for yang.

>potential taxes are a mirage
The US is the largest market on the planet, so taxing the COMPANY for things like Value Added tax (the automation in full or in part of jobs that operate within the US) and Poverty tax (Taxing the company for each dollar under the poverty line their employees are) will not "make them pack up and leave" like alot of people are claiming. For example: Amazon made near 70% of it's profit in US sales, you could tax them close to 40% and it STILL wouldn't be worth it for them to leave.

>Decrease Military spending
It's actually under $1 trillion, but that's beside the point. The military is the most notorious sect of the government for waste. Officers using budget for luxury villas, producing faulty or poor ships and planes, and straight theft.

>could easily double it and add healthcare
yea no

I don't see it as extortion, I see it as the government forcing companies to treat their employees well, something that they have repeatedly failed at with every given opportunity.

lol what
economic inequality is NOT necessary for a fair system. We HAD a fair system in the late 20th century. Quality of life was up, corruption was low, the rich were taxed, loopholes were less common. Then rich faggots decided that they wanted to be richer and now bribing public officials is essentially legal and out in the open.

wtf is shareblue

>The US is the largest market on the planet, so taxing the COMPANY for things like Value Added tax (the automation in full or in part of jobs that operate within the US) and Poverty tax (Taxing the company for each dollar under the poverty line their employees are) will not "make them pack up and leave" like alot of people are claiming. For example: Amazon made near 70% of it's profit in US sales, you could tax them close to 40% and it STILL wouldn't be worth it for them to leave.
It's not an issue of packing up and leaving. It's an issue of simply scaling back. It's an issue of removal of incentive. If the government is just going to rape you at gunpoint you're not going to shoot for the moon. It's not an exact science, and it can't ever be. From recent history (the last 40 years) data suggests we're taxing too highly.

>I don't see it as extortion, I see it as the government forcing companies to treat their employees well, something that they have repeatedly failed at with every given opportunity.
Again, if people don't need to work, companies would have to compete for employees. The guaranteed freedom from poverty gives the workers all the bargaining power. An arbitrary rigid fraction isn't even helpful in this circumstance.
Without UBI there is an argument to be made, but with it you're doubling up condoms.

I didn't argue inequality made a fair system.
I argued the fairest system for inequality was a meritocracy.
I also argued that inequality is a good thing because it is the only thing that makes modern civilization possible.
And with it people of 2019 are living better than people of 1980 dreamed of. And poor people of 1980 were living better in many ways than the wealthiest people of 1800.

It's like you don't know anything about American history.
Rockefeller ring a bell at all?

What does any of that have to do with what I said?

Of course we need rich people but we need to hold them to the same standards that you would hold any American.

The richest individuals and organizations paying zero dollars in taxes is quite frankly ridiculous And unsustainable. It"feels" unfair because it is unfair.

We dont live in a meritocracy currently our economy has more to do with who you know. look at the ivy league schools parents are just bribing the administrators to get their kids in. They are not the best and brightest just the richest.

>taxing too highly
You do realize that most large companies payed $0 in taxes??

Roughly 2.3 trillion per year, going by the 2010 census.

You do realize that companies paying taxes is nonsensical right?

The country cannot be run on the backs of the magical 1%'s taxes.
I can easily agree that our taxation system is absolute trash. But the "they're not paying their fair share" idea is so stupid.
If you want everyone to pay their fair share, save millions and millions each year, convert tons of economic activity away from intellectual (leech) garbage like tax calculations then look no further than the consumption tax. No income, no prize, not CG, no inheritance, no corporation, no nothing! Just the consumption tax.

Many of the people under the poverty line in 1980 owned land, operated businesses, and only really struggled to make enough to feed their large families. Those who struggle to make rent and feed themselves today can make up to $24k a year and live above the poverty line.

So don't pay taxes? So you're a socialist?

That is retarded.
space exploration and science alone could employ everyone.

Its the blind leading the blind.
We don't know what we need or where we are going.

like sure making bread could be automated but rich people don't want wonder bread.

let alone entertainment.

Kek

What is "the federal spending deficit?"

Some people call me a national socialist.
But you're an idiot for thinking a switch to exclusively a consumption tax is some how socialist.
Or how not paying taxes is socialist.
Collect all taxes period through business sales. Raise sales tax. It's that simple. It simplifies everything for everyone and makes tax evasion far harder.
It ensures that everyone pays their "fair share". The billionaire buying a 10,000,000 boat is paying his 30% sales tax, just like the nigger buying his $20 cigarettes is.

>space exploration and science alone could employ everyone.
No it couldn't. Those aren't generating wealth.
Wealth is material and labor. That's it.
Space exploration doesn't build homes. Space exploration doesn't log. Space exploration doesn't heat homes.

Actually I agree with him any truly fair system is going to have a bell curve with some at the top some at the bottom and most in the middle. This is simply because some will just be better at working the system then others. This is what we would call inequality.

The problem is now that the game is rigged the richest people are not paying back their fair share and are using their vast sums of accumulating wealth to influence politicians.

If politicians dont receive funding for a particular issue most wont even understand that their is an issue that is why the average american feel like our political class is out of touch. They live in echo chambers and the only issues they see getting attention(funding) are the ones that concern their rich donors.

The way I read that you advocated for taxing the citizen and not the company.

However I still disagree with you. Sales tax steals form the citizen rich or poor, income tax is the same. applying taxes to the company is the only fair way, a company is not human, and only exists to steal labor from the worker.

>Human does business with business and pays X for product and Y for sales taxes, company passes Y off to government.
BAD.
>Human does business with business and pays (X + Y) for product and company pays Y in sales taxes.
GOOD

Please rethink your position.

If a cook makes $12/hr and makes 40 meals in that hour, which made the owner/company $400; is that fair? Is that not theft?

You know what houses, food and logging have in common... land.

Land, is the ultimate form of wealth.
There is lots of land in space.
We just have to get there.

1000$ a month to everyone wouldn't fix that.
1000$'s a month to people who need it would.
universal income ignores the huge problem of Inflation if not from need, from greed.

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The 1% are part of America they should pay taxes like every other American

It's not going to run "on the backs" of them they will just be a part of the economy just like you or me or anyone else.

More Consumption taxes would just be another tax on the average americans falling particularly hard on the working poor and the people who already pay their fair share.

Let's not forget that we currently have some of the lowest tax rates in our history a short time ago (the 80s) our top marginal tax rate was 70%

What we need to do is raise the top marginal rate a bit and close most if not all of the loopholes. Let me be clear this is not a silver bullet it wont magically fix all our problems but, it is a step in the right direction.

A $10 profit per meal is bretty big.
But let's not focus on the specifics of your hypothetical.

The cook makes $12/hr when he no one comes in, he makes $12/hr when 40 people come in.
The cook makes $12/hr when the business loses money that month.
The cook makes $12/hr when the business makes record profits that month.
The cook makes $12/hr when there is a government mandated holiday.
The cook makes $12/hr when there is a snow day.
The cook makes $18/hr when working his 41st hour, regardless of what the business is doing
The cook makes $12/hr on his vacation time.

What I typically find is that people want to be a partner of a business without having the risks of being a partner.
You want to soak up the profits when times are good, and demand your pay when times are bad.
You don't care what the numbers look like when things aren't going so hot, but as soon as you see things are you want to hold out your paw.
You didn't invest in the business. You had nothing to do with starting it and building it. You won't stay late if things need doing, you won't write a check if the company needs something.

You are hired on at a wage you agreed to. If it's not a fair wage talk about it. If it's a small enough business you'll probably find out that margins aren't as wide as you think they are.
Sure there are plenty of examples of companies effectively abusing their employees financial situations to effective force them to work for shitty wages.
But every companies financials are different. And wages and salaries offer a stability, which to most people is a massively valuable thing.
Knowing that sears has been hemorrhaging money for a decade, how many cashiers do you think would show up to work knowing that they're not getting a paycheck?

>the working poor and the people who already pay their fair share
The working poor don't pay a cent in taxes.

Wrong. Land has value, but it's not intrinsic, it's usually based on relative location to people, and resources upon it.
Building rockets isn't growing food.

So what do you do about imports? The rich can afford to have almost everything of note imported besides food, which is going to account for a very small amount of their overall taxable wealth. Do you implement more tariffs on imports? Then you fuck companies who have to raise prices to compensate for import fees. If you don't, then rich people just import through companies for personal use.

Tax evasion is always going to happen. And much like robbery, it doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it. There's no simple solution to make tax evasion go away or "make it harder". You're talking about a class of citizen who can afford to pay someone to work 8 hours a day to figure out how to not pay taxes.

It's not more money thus no inflation, and it would allow me to see a doctor

Importation is done through companies.

Inflation isn't the only factor in buying power.
And your 1,000 dollars is immediately knocked down 10% by the VAT to fund it. (so is all your other income. So if you make more than $10,000 a year you're actually being hurt by Yang's UBI)

Which rich people can afford to create for the sole purpose of evading sales tax by importing all their high price goods, if you don't increase tariffs on imports to match the increase in sales tax, since it ends up saving enough money at the end of the day to justify a minimal overhead typical of a shell corporation. There's always going to be a way to game the system. Individuals are naturally more flexible than a legal system, and quicker to adapt to the circumstances.

Yes they do these people make 24 and 30 thousand dollars they pay some taxes it's the richest americans who are not paying anything in taxes, zero ,zilch ,nada

You might say thats not poor but it definitely is not enough to raise a family and ensures they will live in a rough part of town lowering their quality of life and wont have very much disposable income and could face financial ruin with a single doctor's visit. Not exactly a recipe for success these are the things that drive people into crime, vice, homelessness and abject poverty

I know a lot of people in the sub $30k range who receive more in tax refunds than they pay, specifically because they have children.

The 'poor" is not a good term. In the US you could spend ALL of your money on rent, utilities, and food and still be above the poverty line.

I'm single, in a studio apartment I pay about $800 in rent, a little over $100 in utilities, have no healthcare, no car, no savings, spend $20 a week on food. I'm still above the poverty line and receive no benefits because I make $300/yr too much, even though I can't afford to see a doctor, buy or even save for a car (not that I could even afford the insurance)

Uff those trip 7s are hard to argue with

But ....I'll just take a guess and say you probably dont know the 43.1 million americans living below the poverty line or the 100 million living in "near poverty"

>its not more money
yes it is.

if we paid everyone 1000$'s that is more that we pay even with the management of our current system.

see my comment earlier.
>$634.1463.... per person
(that is the cost to each person on average thus it includes managing that system and the costs involved)

look, at the end of the day i think if you need a doctor you should be able to see one.

That said handing every person 1000$ WILL raise the price of basic goods.

there are lots of ways around this, many places in the world have affordable if not free healthcare.

You don't know what a VAT is, it's only applied to a product that adds value through "middleman" operations. Factory>Consumer=NoVAT Factory>Processor>Distributer>Retailer>Consumer=VAT

It's not taxed to your income, and works like a sales tax of sorts.

Inflation occurs when money is injected, this money is not injected. This money is redirected from current spending plans, it affects circulation, not amount. Pleas stop talking about shit you don't understand.

Aka everything is 10% more expensive.

>(You)
>resources
= food

This isn't the 1800's

Food is a few basic elements and energy.

also you want to source your definition it sounds very communist manifesto -ish

Food is a basic resource.
There are 3 basic resources.
Material, Space, and Nutrients.
These three things are all forms of wealth.
The only form natural wealth that falls outside of these is labor.
Money is just a social proof of wealth coupon. It shows that you somehow compensated someone via a chain of economic transactions for real intrinsic wealth.

Consumer price index
You are giving cash to consumers you are wrong.

A company paying taxes is really the consumer paying taxes. All cost are passed on in the price of goods and services.

The kind of people who are needed in the space and science fields are not the quality of people you find at the poverty line.

So again all of those things are in space you have yet to address that at all.

says you. poor people aren't stupid they are poor.

and yet they don't pay a single dime.
funny how that works IF YOU ASIGN YOUR HQ OFF-SHORE.
Companies and people can easily leave the US, and still do business here.
Trump actually tried to fight that exact effect with tax-reductions for and import-tax-increases against the metal industry.
Brought more jobs back home and increased tax-reveneue overall.
yet leftists cried zeta and mordio about it, while AOC managed to sabotage an Amazon deal that would have meant BILLIONS in tax-revenue for New York.

If you don't have the slightest of economy, better stay away from it before shooting your own foot.
Same shit goes to that lying fishtank yang.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtBt2OSL2Mw

>There are 3 basic resources
education.com/download/worksheet/89668/what-are-resources-2.pdf

Just because you're super condescending.

There is a continued shortage in the fields of STEM and skilled labor. If they aren't filling those positions now what makes you think it will change with additional science and space funding?

We'll just be importing a bunch of educated talent from over seas and they'll continue to divert part of their income to their families over seas, moving money out of our economy

Poor Israel, now with Yang Gang the chosenites of the chosen country will not receive Billions from USA

economicmodeling.com/2017/09/01/stem-majors-accelerating-every-state-just-humanities-degrees-declining/

Quick googling provides evidence that the premise of your question is wrong.

> they'll continue to divert part of their income to their families over seas, moving money out of our economy
Their work is worth more than they are paid, a fraction of that pay is worth even less.
Also if they came here (for the money) their relatives will want to come here (for the money).

Are you ever going to address the point i made or are you endlessly going to try and side step it?

>(you)
Strait back to shit posting i see.