I believe I'm living in a simulation and nobody is real but me

I believe I'm living in a simulation and nobody is real but me.

When people aren't in my line of sight they just disappear.

None of you fags are real, you're just bots.

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You could test this by consuming brain damaging poisons or drugs. If they dont permanently decrease your thinking speed or make you disabled they were not real

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U are bot . Me is human

Maybe I've done that in the past.
The simulation just erases my memory and respawns me back to the savepoint.

Nice try NPC.

I'm out of my God damn MIND ON weed right now guys holy CHRIST.

We do live in a simulation OP
some call it matrix
the fact is this world is nothing but a prison

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same goes for you, figment of my imagination.

You are talking like cleverbot now.

You need to try harder, simulation.

op is a faggot
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hahahaha
Im not allowed to tell you the whole truth, u wouldnt understand anyway....

we do live in a simulation
a big one, just like the movie matrix
u are real, u just asleep

that's a fat troll

you're an idiot I'm the real one and you're the figment of my imagination

do you have a diagnosis?

Nah man. It's like this.
Imagine playing Sim City or like GTA but every npc is a unique AI that think's it's a real person.
So take like a fully autonomous AI and fill the game world with them.
If we currently have or will have in the near future to create such a thing, what's to say we are not currently living in such a simulation created by someone else?
How many layers deep are we already?

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then fucking kill me retardo

Ah I see, you mean the simulation hypothesis.
>layers
Probably pretty deep at this point, if we can't even tell what's real and what isn't anymore. There's nothing to confirm or disprove this one. It's a pretty cool concept to chew on though.

Even if we did find "definitive proof" one way or the other, would we recognize it? What if we've found it already, but didn't notice or discarded it as some kind of anomaly?

How can I kill you if you're not real you dumb bot.

if hes not real whats the harm in killing him?

You don't even exist outside of Yea Forums.
You were created only to interact with me on here.

no proof for that assertion at all
what can be proven without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

Nice try.
Like if I care to convince the simulation of anything.

well not if you just assert something without giving any justification, no I won't be convinced.

This guy found computer code in the universe a few years back.
Dunno if he's full of shit or not, sounds a little nutty.
But also according to the CMB, we're at the center of the universe here on earth. So who knows

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>the NPC wants to be convinced

fukin lol

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keep believing your irrational unfalsifiable schizophrenic fantasies friend

Yeah I will bot #796060657

yaeh im on team simulation too

full of shit

If this world is a dream there must be a dreamer, and if that dreamer exists it needs to exist separately from the world it inhabits. If it didn't they would never wake from the void of sleep, because lacking Conciousness it could not make itself again come morning. The Phoenix can't rise again if there are no ashes to rise from.

So reality is just a dream for some faggot in a coma?

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guess no one is smart enuf to know the word "solipsism"

No. A dream is a simulation. If there is only one Conciousness that exists, it could not rouse itself from the oblivion of sleep. If you've ever slept it proves that you are not the creator of the world because it existed without your hand while you slept.

That's fine, but if this is true, then you're having a lucid dream... ...so, that said, could you please do all of us "bots" a favor, and...

...STOP BEING SUCH A FAGGOT.

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>If this world is a dream there must be a dreamer

That's the same shitty argument as hurrr this clock has a maker therefore the universe too!!! duuuurrr

Put more simply OP says he is the only one who truly exists, and if that's true, that means he's God. If he's God, his creation requires his presence of mind or it would cease to exist, as would he.

It doesn't work for the existence of specific deities, but it does serve this purpose. Existence may be infinite, but it does occur outside of one's own Conciousness by its very nature. Solipsism is an exercise in critical thinking, but I doubt it was ever meant to be taken as a standard for nihilism.

No, it just means I'm the only real person.
The simulation is the actual "god", when I sleep nothing else needs to "exist".

It's also a little more elementary than that. It's not "clock makers exist because a clock exists" it's more like "clocks exist because if they didn't, there wouldn't be any fucking clocks."

Nice try AI.

That leaves you with precisely the same problem and questions as before, but adds more horror because now instead of just having to contend with an unknowable and uncaring God, you're now alone in a simulation, outside of which is an even more unknowable and uncaring God. Instead of even attempting to answer "what is existence?" you've just added a coat of hypothetical varnish to the problem by saying "oh existence isn't actually real, it's all my own imagining and the simulation is what really exists."

>just having to contend with an unknowable and uncaring God, you're now alone in a simulation, outside of which is an even more unknowable and uncaring God.

Tell me about it bot #796064258.
But the simulation has actually helped me a lot of times in my life.
Many problems I've had just spontaneously fix themselves without me doing anything.

Just give me the ability to fly bro.

So if everyone else is a bot, obviously this conversation we are having is a particularly introspective exercise with your own Conciousness. It maintains its form; the conceit that it is two separate entities conversating over an electronic medium, as a structure to maintain a simulation. To save it from being just an internal dialogue of course.

"you've just ate a lot of spiders"

Also, it's nice that your simulation is beneficent. Mine is a real dick head.

No u

That's pretty much Descartes's Demon teory, and you can't prove it correct or incorrect

It's just like conversing with a smarter version of cleverbot I guess.
I don't go around telling everyone in my life they are bots, I just go with the flow.
I need to have input in one form or another.
and I'm good.

It's not beneficent, it's just weird like that.
If you were real I would tell you to try doing nothing and see what happens.

At what point does Cleverbot become its own entity though? You're conversing with me, a creation of either a sentient simulation, or your own psyche. If I am the creation of a sentient simulation, what differentiates me from the classical definition of a human being, worthy of having my self hood recognized?

Or, if I am your own creation and yet you treat me as though I were my own sovereign entity just to go with the flow, what practical purpose does your isolation as the only sentient being serve? If it's simply a question of belief, what drives your belief in the face of your own creations telling you that you are not their creator?

>what differentiates me from the classical definition of a human being

The simulation "created" you for me to interact with because I made this thread.
And it also defines what a classical human being is, and gives you those lines for you to say to me in an attempt to keep the facade.

You tell me what the purpose of this whole simulation is, you are it.

Just give me the ability to teleport

Ya know, this wouldn't surprise me in the least. It could be possible, nobody can say with 100% certainty that we aren't.

What if you're the bot in my simulation? What if we all are just bots for some unknown fags simulation?

Then that would be the argument for the existence of a God. If you look at it that way, then we are all Gods of our world. We are God to our pets.

Simulation theory is a joke. Get on my level and read some Donald Hoffman.

Joke? Ok, hit me with some knowledge then b/ro.

Ya fuckin got me. Shit ur right.

Have you ever heard of Newton's flaming laser sword?
If it is impossible to prove our existence to you, we might as well just end the little debate we have here.

But in a standard theological view of the world, God created you AND me, and we both are expressions of the Creator.

In your view, the simulation created me and I am carrying out its will as the expression of the simulation. The only difference is that you believe you were not created by the simulation and I was. But outside of yourself, even in the standard theological model of creation, there's no way to verify the existence of others, so the problem is the same. Again, what drives your belief in the simulation when the outcome is the same in both eventualities?

And I'm not giving you the ability to teleport you faggot. You'll just bash yourself into a concrete pillar and get yourself killed. Then where would all of us be? Fucked, that's where.

The Red Pigeon

It was a nice try, but I'm onto you.

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Just respawn me.
I know you can do it.

It’s a pretty advanced fucking simulation considering that I, a bot have a life time of memories and a ‘physical’ form. Must go the same for everoy one of these other bots. How do you know you’re not a big OP?

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The Yellow Knife

The simulation is not omnipotent and did not create me, only you you silly bot.

>what drives your belief in the simulation

My experiences.
I'm not disclosing that information with a bot.
Nothing really matters, it's not like I can do anything to get out of the simulation.

>I, a bot have a life time of memories and a ‘physical’ form

yeah sure

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You could test this by consuming brain damaging poisons or drugs. If they dont permanently decrease your thinking speed or make you disabled they were not real

glitch

you are all fags

You don't need to tell me. I'm either not truly cognizant or I already know exactly why because I am your own creation.

You joke but I actually inadvertently ended up believing this by accident (due to my anxious OCD thoughts and mistaking them for truth) and it sent me into an existential spiral of panic attacks, derealization and anxiety I never want to go through again

I don't know why someone would willingly believe in such retarded technological solopsism or solopsism of any sort rather. Took me a few months to recover.

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No you

>a dream is a simulation

Indeed and you can take control of it look up "lucid dreaming". You realize you are dreaming and take control of the dream, changing it to your desires or making a new one and you exist in your own mental world for the duration of the dream. Then you wake up in reality where none of those powers and abilities exist because reality is not a dream or simulation.

Lucid dreaming actually serves as an argument against solopsism and simulation theory in this sense.

Its more like everywhere you are is the center of the universe for you. Because the Big Bang has no center, the universe has no defined center.

So the center of the universe is Earth if you are on Earth, and the center of the universe is the moon if you are an Apollo astronaut, etc..

A dream can be a simulation but a simulation is not necessarily a dream you tard.

Fuck off.

Lol read Kant or Wittgenstein's proofs against solipsism for once faggot

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Fuck you idiot I'm the real person.
YOU don't exist.

I am fully convinced. I've had too many coincidences happen.

If you're talking about simulation theory on the basis of technology it still serves as an argument against simulation theory. Think about it, why does lucid dreaming or even dreams exist, a simulation must devote an insane amount of resources to simulate reality twice, once for waking reality and once for sleeping (dreams), why? What would the point of that be, it would be better to just not have dreams at all, but the fact is every human being dreams, and so do most mammals, a simulation has to devote the same amount of resources to "simulate" these dreams as it has to for reality, doubling its workload, for no apparent logical reason, especially given that lucid dreams exist, lucid dreams where you can "tax" the system by dreaming up ridiculous "computationally expensive" things.

For the purpose of a simulation as proposed in simulation theory it makes no sense. The only rebuttal to this I've heard is on the basis of fuck you levels of technology where that shit doesn't put a dent in the energy and resource use of a simulation but thats a flawed argument requiring you to believe such a technology is possible, an argument from imagination we are supposed to take on faith when we don't know the true computational limits of the universe yet ourselves.

A lot of the outlandish things simulation theory proponents claim are the same as what religious fundamentalists claim, a lot of their rebuttals are the same too, faith based, not evidence nor facts, but faith and arguments that undermine their whole belief system.

Lets not even get into the problem of consciousness and how as far as we know it cannot be simulated in any way.

They'll have life like video games in the future. What's to say it isn't simulated already?

You need to research the differences between the Objective Universe and the Subjective Universe.

You're not wrong to say reality is a simulation.

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>a simulation must devote an insane amount of resources

Stopped reading right there.
You don't know what an "insane amount of resources" is and the capabilities of the simulation.
The simulation also allows for us to imagine stuff and daydream, because it's something we need to do as humans, so whatever resources are used for that can go into dreaming.

And btw, scientists speculate that dreaming is not supposed to happen and is a side effect of some chemical processes going on in our brains that we need when we sleep.

We don't know that, for all we know theres a hard limit on technology. Just compare modern VR to lucid dreaming, where you can simulate reality perfectly, the brain is good at doing that because it needed to for survival but technology might never reach that level not even with quantum quackery at hand.

Oh yeah because its all just some futuristic magic technology that has infinite power and computational ability, a technology we cannot comprehend nor prove exists outside of our belief it exists, hmm I wonder what similar concept humans have thought of before.

>something we need to do as humans
Why? What purpose does dreaming serve for a simulation, and what purpose does lucid dreaming serve?

>side effect
Maybe so but it still exists and still uses up "resources" there are always millions of people dreaming and millions of people awake, mammals too, all of that uses up resources, its illogical from the perspective of the simulaiton theory unless again infinite energy is available but thats just a way to avoid answering the quesiton, handwaving any argument away with technology that is essentially magic and requires belief as there is no way to prove or disprove it.

This is the flaw with the simulation theory. I noticed you didnt even touch on the argument of consciousness I brought up, but its perfectly valid, as far as we know consciousness remains an enigma, one neuroscience is no closer to solving, we have no idea how it arises in the brain and if it can even be emulated, a simulation theory that ignores the problem and enigma of consciousness and its implications is ignoring the big gaps in its flawed reasoning.

As far as we know consciousness can never be emulated, to assume otherwise is to believe that the issue is solved and the answer known by outside parties but thats just another assumption and belief one has to have same when discussing the issue of power and computation, only unproven assumptions, only beliefs, simulation "theory" has no logical and reasonable ground to stand on.

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>Believes in consciousness
Lol okay
Buddhists proved it's about as real as santa claus and the color red

The irony of you bringing up buddhism to deride consciousness when experiencing a pure state of consciousness is a goal of meditation in buddhism and buddhism itself is very invested in consciousness and its truth, just look up the collaborations between buddhists and neuroscientists, the talks between the Dalai Lama and neuroscience researchers about the nature of consciousness etc..

The material world may be illusory in buddhist thought, but it is no technological simulation.

>Oh yeah because its all just some futuristic magic technology

Oh yeah because it's some old PC running in some neckbeard's basement doing the calculations.

Our dreams, and consciousness may very well be a side effect of chemical processes going on in our brains.
Therefore the simulation may only need to simulate the elementary particles and that's it.
Everything comes together on it's own.
There doesn't need to be another "reality" for our dreams.

And I'm not saying it's some a magical technology made by aliens.
I'm saying that you're perspective of things is what the simulation gives you.
Something extremely huge to you might be something tiny and meager to it. Or just inconsequential.

that sounds like something a bot would post

That sound like something a bot would reply with.

Good luck simulating consciousness then.

thanks

any recommended reading, user? I'm interested

Ow the edge. Fuck off with your self centeredness reality faggot.

you smoke weed and that is psychosis effect of smoking weed.

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It all started many years ago, when humans colonized earth. We came here from uranus, though the written history of this has mostly been wiped from our memory because we cannot bear to endure thinking of the terrible atrocities that occurred on uranus. Anyways once the first proto humans were here, they had to make a fruit that was easy to hold and easy to carry in their anuses becuse back on uranus thats how we used to carry things. Its like a backpack but in your ass instead of on your back. Using this method, all the way up until the year 1998 when the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell nearly 2 stories right into a table.

MindStar by Aquino

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Your understanding of yourself is purely based on the things you have been taught by other people. If this is a simulation, you have no reason to believe that anything in this simulation is in any way similar to the reality you exist in externally, and that includes the 'you' you experience, because your traits, hobbies, means of using the English language, were all developed here, in this reality. As such, if this were a simulation, most of what you are, would be more connected to this reality, than any other. This 'you' is thus the most real version of yourself to you. You couldn't define yourself without reference to your development within this reality, and as such, 'you' belong to it. If we aren't real 'you'; the "How would you describe yourself" 'you' are just as fabricated.

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I thought I felt ToS. Xeper on, user, and thanks for the recommendation.

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I think therefore I am, retard.

You think, therefore "being" exists. It's fair so assume you lack complete control of your thought, what makes you sure you are the origin point of it, and not, for example, an observer?

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He figured it out. Unplug him.

If you are living in a simulation, that means there is an upper hard limit to how random or complex something can be. A hard limit to how many layers, or flavors, or colors, or items of a complex nature can be in a given area.

Imagine a piece of paper, now imagine it has distinct dots that are all the colors that could exist. Like that fx000000000 thing, but fx00000000 to like fx999999999 and so on. make it, print enough copies of it to bog down the simulation, and watch the results.