Does anyone here on Yea Forums actually support communism?

The real oxymoron is Anarcho-Capitalism my friend.

Communism is always deeply authoritarian with a massive state. You need that to ensure equality and control the economy. Anarcho-capitalism is just society with markets sans government. (Not that I'm an ancap)

>And why would you like the USSR?
Because of all its accomplishment, especially during Stalin's times.It was truly amazing, but as you said, they were ultimately defeated. Capitalism was also defeated(pic related), but it came back.The same think will happen with Socialism.

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And I'm not an anarcho-communist, but there have been experiments.

I dont think so. Communism is not about a totalitaric control, Iron Curtains and so on - first of all it is about cooperation and mutual aid. Bolsheviks perverted the very idea of communism. My ancestor fought in Makhno's rebellion army against German, Bolsheviks, White Army and all of the nationalists army in Civil War in the sake of freedom,

>Because of all its accomplishment, especially during Stalin's times.It was truly amazing
... mass murder, purge upon purge, starvation. I value human rights and dignity.

If you're going to refer to Catalonia, I must remind you that not only did it collapse, they had their own red terror and were defeated by other communists.

>mass murder, purge upon purge, starvation. I value human rights and dignity.
Capitalism has all that, even more so

You'll have to forgive me, I just can't believe this:
> first of all it is about cooperation and mutual aid.
I look at all the big attempts, USSR et al., and I see Red Terror, artificial famines, gulags, secret police... They claimed to be doing it for the greater good, but in reality it was only for the upper parts of the Party.

That's your opinion, I choose to focus on the positive.

Uh-huh...

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>That's your opinion
So you're literally going to ignore all the mass murder and horrors that came about because of attempts at communism? It happened, but whatever?

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You're ignoring the mass murder in Capitalism. It's only fair I do the same for my camp.(plus it wasn't as much murder as people claim)

What mass murder?

> Bolsheviks perverted the very idea of communism.
Sad but true, but is seems that primordial aim of them was to fight over a power, not to build a real society without a state. So that why I choose Anarcho-Communism, and also due to my heritage too.

>Does anyone here on Yea Forums actually support communism
Only if they're underage or retarded.

And why would anyone want to attempt to build Communism again? Every attempt has been... less than stellar.

I think communist thinkers have a lot of useful insights that we should explore openly and honestly rather than dismiss outright. The history of many systems would be best reviewed an analyzed to come to the best conclusions and solutions.

haha I won!

Cuba rules, any country that can survive while being sanctioned by everyone and still have some of the happiest people and great medical care is a win in my book

Not unreasonable. What are these useful insights in your view?

What do you mean mass murder? The mass murders attributed to communism include famines created by a failed system, under capitalism the world produces more than twice as much food as what would be needed to keep the entire world population well fed and yet we live in a world where the majority of people alive are malnourished.

Every death that has happend as a result of this should be applied to capitalism to remain reasonable, or both should be discarded.

Yeah abolish private property and get rid of class. Also an anarchistic society isn't all looting and chaos. Urban planning and social services would still exist. Society can exist without government and remain civil.

You do realize the USSR had no problem producing more than enough food for the vast majority of its existence right? It wasn't constant starvation from 1917 to 1991.

>You're ignoring the mass murder in Capitalism
When has a strictly capitalist government oppressed it's people and murdered them. Capitalism isn't an ideology like democracy, communism, fascism, it's a sub category that exists in all ideologies.

Honestly far to much to go into without getting straw manned a million times here, the communist theory of value is very interesting though and is useful for understanding how many people tend to veiw value without realizing it even neccesarily. Many others as well such as the way that communists understood the usefulness of machines and such.

Capitalism is very flawed though and we should.work towards something better, I dont think that's marxist communism but it's likely closer to that than many people are comfortable with. Libertarians think the problem with the market is that it's not free enough for example but they are mostly worthless as their positions rely on absurdity just as much as communism or Hitler style fascism.

My two personal favorites are the labor theory of value and the Leninist theory of Imperialism.

And how is that relevant to anything I said? I dont think you understood my post.

That's simply not true. Capitalism does not exist as a subcategory, it's an economic system that can exist alongside a system of goverment where as communism purposes both.

ppl starve to death every day because of the economic system that centres money in the hands of the few rich ppl. Also, ppl die of curable diseases because big medicine companies wants to make as much money as possible.

It's not a failed system.

used to. then i grew up.
some people want some old pipe dream to save them.

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I'd like to see a combination of capitalism and communism. Factor in how much one works in relation to their pay. The current system is fucked

Where in my post are you seeing me come to that conclusion? Are you retarded?

Because communism killed like 50-60 million chinks in China because they were all too beta to admit that the experimental methods they used to grow grain and smelt steel sucked and just go fart while they came on their hermit crabs instead.

The system failed to provide for its citizens, it was a failed system in this instance. That doesnt extapolate to anything that ever called itself communist.

Also to argue that the USSR was communist becomes absurd rather quickly once you veiw stalins policy for example.

>50-60 million
here come the made up numbers again

Answer the first point you dirty commie. You're either dishonest or retarded. Capitalism has existed for as long as people have gathered resources. I have an abundance of sticks you needs wood for fire and have food lest trade.

No I think all systems of government are shit tier.

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>Also to argue that the USSR was communist becomes absurd rather quickly once you veiw stalins policy for example.
No.

>here come the made up numbers again
>t-that w-wasn't real c-communism

Wassock

>>t-that w-wasn't real c-communism
I never say that

Talk to some real Russians and get their opinions on communism and socialism, it wont be very polite.

Trading things isnt capitalism you retard, capitalism requires evaluating things which didnt really happen for the vast majority of human history. Groups worked as tribes and would do things with no expectation of being played back other than by being a part of a group, even if that often meant some members working disproportionately due to their skill sets or physical ability. That's nothing like capitalism. If you literally dont understnad that capitalism is not just the natural order of things you've either been severely misinformed or you're being dishonest. 0

>the communist theory of value is very interesting though
If you mean the labor theory of value, it's been completely disproven by economists

>Capitalism is very flawed though and we should.work towards something better
It's improving year after year. Poverty keeps going down globally.

Wow, great fucking counter argument. Maybe crack a book and actually try to understand the history you fucking mongoloid.

You can't be serious

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I consider a lot of you people to be suckers since you discuss this on /b without speaking with Russians who went through it. What the fuck are you doing, some little school project?

Type like a grown up and maybe I'll respond to your 'points'

Good for you, you should be proud

>i want the means of production to be publicly controlled and also privately controlled

SHE CRYING

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Stalin was more socialist than Lenin, he industrialized the USSR and even abolished private property in the country, he was amazing.

well yeah I guess but ya know, I only have time to read wikipedia because I'm so busy cumming on my hermit crab while farting. I think the real figure was somewhere between 64 million and 3.50

The commie fears facts.

What nation are you from? Just out of interest.

i am probably a communist, but i think folks on Yea Forums who complain about commies don't really know what it means
see?

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Capitalism is a system that neecsitates value being less evenly distributed over time, wealth inequality will continue neccesarily under capitalism. Wealth inequality leads to a sytem where many feel as though they have no.real.chance to work towards improving their quality of life, or providing a situation where their children can have an improved quality of life. As this happens the risk that people simply stop participating goes up, the more this happens the more our society is destabilized. This is a problem that cannot be solved through typical capitalist systems, we must implement a solution to this neccessary problem

They don't fear them as much as they rewrite them to their own advantage, it's like shit straight out of Orwell's 1984.

not an argument

Explain it frog poster.
Has it ever worked anywhere?

>Has it ever worked anywhere?
Who went to space first?

Duh! It was a question. You people who proclaim communism and socialism seem to be from places where that's never existed.
That makes you a fucking hypocrite.

Nice deflection sucker.

i'll add here that the "communist countries" that come to mind for most people here aren't anywhere close to having communism. in vietnam for example it's basically just capitalism without freedom of speech. china is just capitalism with even more authoritarian controls. with communism you wouldn't have a state.

>That makes you a fucking hypocrite.
tu quoque fallacy, Stalin is still very Popular among Russians

Utopian Socialism > Marxism/Leninism

Optimal usage or resources
0 waste
Libertarian ammounts of personal freedom
no hunger, war, or homelessness
0 incentive to commit crime (no money or inequality)
Better than Star Trek living

Sadly only possible in the far future

The USSR, it worked in the USSR.

Yes, elements of communism have often been fairly successful, the issues mostly arise when during a large transition power is taken from the people and tyranny is imposed. This happens to countries in the midst of great change regardless.

The ideal implementation would be a stable society slowly transitioning to marxist socialism then full blown communism without intervention from foreign parties.

>Trading things isnt capitalism
>I'll give you furs for berries and medicine
>Gold for goods,money for goods
>Not treading
>which didnt really happen for the vast majority of human history
>YIKES
>Groups worked as tribes and would do things with no expectation of being played back other than by being a part of a group
>BIG YIKES
>I hunt for meat in the hot sun for days
>My payment is meat or fur that i can trade for vegetables, fruits, medicine
>Not treading
If you literally dont understnad that capitalismt just the natural order of things you've either been severely misinformed or you're being dishonest.

I think the dead body of Laika is still spinning around the globe. Poor doggo.

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>Has it ever worked anywhere?
yes. for example some border agnostic regions in the highlands of southeast asia

You're an idiot, seriously seek an education you dipshit. Memes dknt make facts.

Apparently for those who remember the "good old days" and weren't sent to gulags for speaking their own minds.

hahaha!

Dumbest post of the day!

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>optimal usage OF resources

No but people will say yes because the want to win the autistic Olympics

What you wrote sounds like a lot of bullshit to make excuses for atrocites. While not understanding what people want. That top down shit will never work.

>and weren't sent to gulags
99% of people were not sent to gulags which were just their version of prisons

You're retarded an uneducated.

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revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

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Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis XDDDDDD :DD

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and I'm laughing at the current state of the U.S. healthcare system

What you wrote sounds like an excuse for yourself as to why you should feel justified not even attempting to understand a complicated issue.

GTFO, little shitholes run by little dictators by treaties.

No they and their families just got "disappeared."
The soviets were good at that, they made it a profession.

You know what? Even if you're right, I'd rather live in a capitalist system instead of a communist one. In capitalism I'm free to think what I want without fear of secret police and gulags.

Yeah, right. Keep thinking and remember that in a commie / socialist nation Yea Forums would not be allowed.

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>t. i'm retarded unable to think out side of my indoctrination so when faced with anything that challenges my world view i call it a meme as a last ditch effort to sway the impressionable
Can't wait until we string your kind up bu your feet to die by heat stroke.

why not? you could have a democratic socialist/communist country. that's the dumbest misconception ive ever heard

I dont support communism i support many marxist ideals tho

>What you wrote sounds like a lot of bullshit to make excuses for atrocites.
THIS

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Well, it's pretty obviously true, the solution to isnt neccesarily "become the USSR under stalin" or "adopt marxist communism as best as possible" which would neccesarily not include gulags.

I havent proposed a solution, I've only explained the problem. The solution will not be easy or simple nut it must be addressed before we walk off a fiscal cliff. And wellinfomred economist will explain that we cant double the economy every five years without exempting giant collapse as a result. Those collapses literally cost people their lives and make the next one worse by concentrating wealth even further.

This is good shit

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>I dont support communism i support many marxist ideals tho
Did you suffer brain trauma?

id love to hear criticism!

I'm not saying we should all be communists and never have, sorry if you're just assuming nor have me confused for another person

Regardless of that there is no reason to assume Yea Forums and communism are mutually exclusive, that's absurd. That doesnt really matter though becuase I doubt we will be facing a significant communist group in the US anytime soon. That doesnt mean we shouldnt be addressing the flaws in our political and economic systems honestly and using all the information avilble to us.

>id love to hear my own voice
ftfy

Clearly you haven't researched anything or lived life except from school books and your mother's basement. It's folk such as you that make hillary supporters.

You literally asserted that capitalism is a natural economic system and has been the norm though all of time. That is a ridiculous postion to take that only an uneducated person or a dishonest person would take. Take an economics class.

So you're counterpoint is
Personal insult
Personal insult
Personal insult

Wow, a powerful rebuttal.

When has an attempt at communism NOT resulted in super authoritarianism or the system collapsing in a scant couple of years?

your arguing against the past, and the currently practical. not against the ideology. anarchocapitalism is like .1 percent likely, doesn't make it impossible.

I think a communist country that allows free speech is more likely than anarcho anything, but you are not gonna say anarch anything is Impossible

>Humans haven't been doing capitalize since are ape brains evolved
WEW LAD get a load of this guy

You want a Star Trek utopia... and you think it's actually possible? Have you ever in your life studied economics or sociology or psychology?

Have you ever read our Constitution?
It was written people that were very smart and knew about this kind of bullshit in it's many forms.
Here's a link for you just in case:
guides.loc.gov/constitution
It might remind you of why the United States of America is here on this planet and revered by most and feared by some dictator types.

Lol no i read the communist manifesto and know that every form of communism throughout history did not directly adhere to marx ideals. The proletariat has not ruled in any society so far. Id like to see this happen.

How is that relevant to anything in the post you are responding to? Really, I'd like to know. Is it just free association?

We haven't and you're retarded if you think we have, educate yourself. Do you even know what capitalism is? Are you 12?

What do you think this has to do with anythingnive said or makes it relevant in anyway? Really?

ill admit I would say its PRACTICALLY impossible In the near future. but considering the rate at we have not only civilized, but accomplished more and more levels of peace and prosperity, its most likely GONNA happen farther down. Education, sympathy, awareness and connectivity just keeps on increasing. I don't think that will change anytime soon and eventually we will either have 99 percent optimal utopian socialism or 99 percent optimal "good" capitalism. (yes I think capitalism is great as well)

It seemed appropriate at the time and certainly made you post. Yet I'm not wrong.

You are wrong.

You haven't heard the network speach have you mr beale?

You're wrong

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I can be wrong but not on that.

sorry I don't get what youre trying to say.

>We haven't
>My ancestors didn't gather apples more efficiently than other people and set a tread value for meat and medicine for my apples
>Capitalism never existed before the modern age
Clearly you're 12

You're wrong

i want to die

Are you the faggot that keeps posting ass pictures?

its done a great job of culling the non-white population of the world

You're really making yourself look like an absolute dipshit to anyone who has spent as much as half an hour researching early econmic systems. You can keep reasserting inane claims that have no basis in reality and so far wouldnt even be evidence of your claim if they were true, but it really just makes you seem more and more laughable

That's a good song.

>that every form of communism throughout history did not directly adhere to marx ideals

>MY speshul version of communism would totally work guyz!

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Every attempt at communism either collapses in a couple years or becomes a nightmare dystopia.

not just that. A East German family risked life and limb building a homemade hot air balloon to escape the DDR

>or

its both, always both, communism applied isnt exclusively one or the other. it's always both

You're an idiot. The future is Megacorps and totalitarian governments. Wake up.

Walker, Joe Strummer
youtube.com/watch?v=veGg_bD7_Go

Then communism is for you! Either you get gulag'd or starve to death friendo :3

Okay, and how is that relevant to anything in my post? Do know how to read?

I remember those stories from when I was a little tike, those walls weren't built to keep others out but to keep people in, so the top down enforcement could be done on them. Apparently the east german secret police, holdovers from the nazis where much harsher than the russian kgb.

you're delusional

Can't think of a counter arguments so he insults how someone types

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>inane claims that have no basis in reality and so far wouldnt even be evidence of your claim
>Humans have always given their hard work away for free just because i think so
>I have no evidence of my claims so i'll claim human nature never existed
>I'm a pot smoking commie degenerate but i still trade colored paper in exchange for weed because i don't know why i'm retarded

I'd love to see a picture like this something "democracy" or "capitalism" and then shows the democratic peoples republic of Korea and its walls and prison camps.

>dictators
> treaties.
user still doesn't know what communism is

>What is the USSR, North Korea, Cambodia under Pol Pot, China under Mao, the briefly lived Catalonia experiment.....

all I can say to that is its wrong, I disagree, and that's hella pessimistic. Humans value themselves and their friends too much to let that happen

>Humans have always given their hard work away for free just because i think so
Who are you quoting? The strawman you've built in your head that reflects no real.persons veiws?

that doesn't prove anything until we try it here.

>who went to space first
The same fuckers that mostly starved to death

Anyone that supports communism are either underaged and/or trannies. Take a look at the average tw*tter commie bio and it speaks for it self

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it's never succeeded and never will because it's dreamt up by children

Oh I know exactly what it is and what it means. A treaty only lasts as long as one party keeps it up. Check out the nazis v the russians.

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Honestly, have you bothered to even read the thread? Do you just spout anti-communist replies you think might be relevant? They arnt by the way, I know reading is hard but give it a shot.

You can enter but you can never leave!

They need pictures.

Yes, and for the record I am retarded.

>Humans value themselves and their friends too much to let that happen
Have you met a Chink? They're bug people devoid of any empathy or soul. They'll be the first to form human hives, I swear. Ever seen videos of them on liveleak? They eat/cook animals like dogs alive.
How about Niggers? Violent and can't form stable societies. Anything above hunter-gatherer societies is beyond them.
White Europeans? Complete pussies nowadays, committing cultural suicide.
Arabs? ALHOA SNACKBAR *BOOM*
Am I missing anyone?

Absolutely retarded and dishonest. Can't even fallow a conversation properly without trying to move goalposts. Honestly kill yourself you're a waste of human flesh.

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Of course. Stalin did nothing wrong.

>Brain hurt... can't read... accuse everyone of wht i'm doing as i'm doing it like daddy marx said

It didnt because there was gross power problems marx didnt intend for that retard mao lenin stalin all warped his ideas read more

Really, I'm the one moving the goal posts? All I've ever said to you is that assuming capitalism is somehow the most basic and natural economic system that's always been used is simply wrong. This is easily independently verifiable, just do some research on early econmic systems. Give it a shot.

You're mocking yourself now.

Didnt say it would work said it would be interesting to see. Dont you have an inquisitive mind or are you strictly a primate?

Sure, it was just Stalin who did the naughty things...

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>Didnt say it would work said it would be interesting to see
And I'm saying it is quite impossible. EVERY attempt at REAL COMMUNISM™ has either failed in a couple years or been a totalitarian nightmare. It can never, ever be what it was "supposed to be"

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Just remember the earliest of the early, bitches selling their pussy for protection, food, and water. It still goes on to this day.

Lenin and Stalin were good communists, only liberals think the USSR wasn't real socialism

I live one of the most diverse cites in the world. have met and befriended every race. you are wrong, and don't come at me with that "anecdotal" bullshit because humans aren't as simple as their race.

90 percent of the black white Asian Hispanics and so on are great people that ive shared good times with

10 percent are assholes and have varied on the race they are

first go meet these people, seeing "them" on liveleak and reading Yea Forums is not a good way to form a worldview. its why the way white supremacist try to recruit is by saying
"every one else is lying to you, we have the red pill, don't believe anyone else but us because we are totally not the incorrect ones"

the majority of people are not lying to you. go out to a mall and ask these questions about your supposed assumptions. I guarantee if you are in any city where people have LIVED with a myriad of races, they will confirm that people are mostly good, and race plays a negligible role in their personality

I like your picture full of misleading and irrelevant information. Would be cool to see how they get these numbers and why other countries are not included that have killed far more.

Cali types? They don't count.
It's pretty pathetic how they run the House of Representives now, just promise people free shit and bring in illegals to be dependent on them so likely voters for them. They have no way to pay for their promises of free shit except to devalue currency.

Not really, at least not in the way you imply. Women didnt sell it in anyway, more accurately they were valued for being fuckable and supported becuase of it. That would be more accurate to history.

The whole board is nothing but cuck threads now. Of course there are fucking commies.

Wow you must be a mistress of sucking up and having no opinion about reality.

>Have always stayed on track
>You tired changing talking point
>Denies capitalism, tread goods has never existed
>Thinks people worked and gave away what they worked for away for free without trade

>To retarded to know when someone is mocking them
Just your average commie

communism is a form of anarchism. you're not listening to what people are telling you ITT. there aren't any dictators, or fascism, or authoritarian regimes. stalin's russia wasn't communism. china isn't communism. there are small isolated regions in this world which do have anarcho-communism and you haven't heard of them because they don't have a state. see "zomia" and the art of not being governed
stalin's russia wasn't communism

jesus you retards don't read

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You know, it's amazing how communists react when confronted with the horrors their predecessors did. Show a commie a kill count of communism:
>That didn't happen.
>And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
>And if it was, that's not a big deal.
>And if it is, that's not Communism's fault.
>And if it was, we didn't mean it.
>And if we did...
>Kulaks deserved worse.

It's the mother fucking Narcissist's Prayer. Meditate on that.

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Nobody starves in America, my man. The biggest problem we have as far as the diets of our poor is that they're too fucking fat and get heart disease because ebt cards can be used on way too many snack items.

I think you got anons mixed up, I'm not the one pushing communism, socialism, or that marxist cumbucket. Follow the thread better.

right like the capitalists in vietnam, cambodia, and just about everywhere else

>>Denies capitalism, tread goods has never existed
>>Thinks people worked and gave away what they worked for away for free without trade
Again, who the fuck are quoting?

You're insane.

funny cause my argument is actually reality, unless "im just lying and pushing the leftist degenerate agenda" or whatever.

Nothing wrong with living in a place of mostly 1 race, its just hella boring

id rather see different races and all the different forms of beauty. plus its fun being able to talk to women from every race, its LITERALLY like different flavors of ice cream. I love it

Watch this youtu.be/6P97r9Ci5Kg

you're not even reading my reply correctly

holy fuck the idiocy of Yea Forums

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Its amazing how you dont know the history of communism

Just to clarify, I am certainly not a white supremacist. Whites have committed some of the worst crimes in the world. See Stalin, Hitler et al.

That said, I think this coming century the Chinks are going to outdo Hitler and Stalin. They're beginning a new wave of colonization of Africa as we speak. Lord knows what horrors those empathyless creatures are going to do when the Nigs chimp out. Chinks are going to win the grand game of history because they don't feel and they're more than happy to lie cheat and steal their way to the top.

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>Women have never or never once soled their cunts for gains
This is the most delusional commie i've ever met or the most retarded

>communism is a form of anarchism
Boy the USSR sure was Anarchistic!

>stalin's russia wasn't communism. china isn't communism.
Are you familiar with the No True Scotsman fallacy? Try accepting what your worldview has wrought in the world.

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Go live in some nigger neighborhood and deal with rats and weirdos and druggies then tell me about how much you love it. I suspect that you're a california liberal who wants to let in a lot of illegals but doesn't want them around you. Kind of like merkel in germany, she wants to let in tons of fucking niggers and islamics and ban guns, but she doesn't want any of those imports around her and she needs armed guards with guns wherever she goes.

Don't you see that as hypocracy?

Purges upon purges, artificial famines, secret police, gulags, mass murder...

>Again too retarded to fallow a simple conversation
>Or retarded and dishonest

Perhaps you should write more clearly instead of being a moron on drugs?

I think you are confusing certain specific Asian governments, and a race.

how can you see the world through such a useless, arbitrary subdivision and classification.

if you wanna say china and their government, then yeah sure.

but "chinks"?

youre just dumb

remember rhodesia? well this is it now. feel old?

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Uhh they changed the communist agenda from what marx orginally wanted. The ussr did not promote socialism. Thats retarded

>WATCH MY PROPAGANDA
>IT IS $100% TRUE FACTS

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I literally live next to black people, Asians and whites, and Hispanics. I already clarified I live in one of the most diverse cities in the world

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Hey retard communism as we know it today is not what marx wanted so the original form of communism or scientic socialism has never truly been executed.

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underrated pic. animals can be animals under capitalism or socialism. its up to us to succeed under whatever system we chose, and to further push for the betterment of our systems

You never looked up Genghis Khan did you? It's pretty strange that our nations have fought wars to keep Europe pure but a bitch like merkel with her ww ii german guilt sings it over with a stroke of a pen. You motherfuckers should be embaressed.

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Look at those numbers lmao. According to that lunatic RJ Rummel, Stalin killed the entire soviet workforce

I again point you to the actions of the populace. Visit liveleak or a good rekt thread. They cook animals alive, they run over toddlers in the street without stopping or helping, they let each other die horribly in factories and do nothing to prevent or help. And this century belongs to them.

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No True Scotsman. Take responsibility for what your ideology has done.

Communism is great on paper. Not so much when you get humans involved

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Good post Commrade! We will crush the capitalist pig dogs and rape their children! We will kill millions in the name of peace and love!

Its dog pigs you fuckin slav

ok well people in America shoot innocents, bomb innocents, police kill innocents, there are robberies yadda yadda yadda etc. Even so its more a cultural and governmental issue, that will and can be fixed if the country develops more.

No they didn't, and you'll see that when you stop thinking socialism is nordic style welfare.

If you look above you'll see I've written off Europe and white people. We're fucked. The 21st century belongs to the chinks. I give us 50 years before we're a chink colony with social credit keeping us in check

This is a fact user. Tell me how it isnt. Marxist communism, or scientific socialism has never been executed in the desirable manner

There literally are records of people leaving East germany legally, the problem was when asking for papers for leaving it could take a decade until you got them. There are even records of people returning to DDR from west.
While there died a lot of people most of the times those numbers are inflated and probably taken from "black book of communism" which isn't accurate. This alse excludes deaths by western nations like in Chile for instance.
How did it not?
It was true communism as a movement to achieve communism. I advice to take an accurate look at those communist countries and you will stop saying dumb shit like state capitalism

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It’s not “my propaganda” you retard it’s literally just a video lol, you can see it and decide for yourself

nah. Capitalism and socialism are both cool, just don't hate people lmao

What is it? It's as if you're hiding it by not specifying it, it is some prison?

I'll let you know if any country ever implements it, rather than a dictatorship a few with communist ideas sprinkled on top.

I didnt think socialism is nordic style welfare. Only u said that

Lenin and stalin did change it look at the differences between their work and marxs

The difference: A person gets hit by a car in America, people stop and help. A person gets hit by a car in China, no one bats an eye. Sure America has shootings and all that, everyone has issues. The difference is that people in America, even the nigs, have some semblance of empathy. Chinks don't. They're closer to robots than human. They cannot feel for others.

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not a prison, Texas.

God bless Texas (except our stupid criminal system and anti weed laws)

Always one more murder away from success, eh comrade?

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You're very wrong. But we'll see.
Just remember ebb and flow.

ok 1 a Chinese woman did stop
2 yes most didn't, but that doesn't mean its cause they are Asian. maybe its where they live or their culture or whatever. not cause of them being Asian.
3. yeah that's fucked. fuck that lol. we can fix it though theyre still human.

The only reason someone would go back is to get their family or to setup a way to get their family out. You left that part out, kommisar.

I guess you must be an anarchist. Marx hated anarchism, though communists and anarchists have the same endgame, only through different means.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would like a few words with you, user

They're like insects.

Welcome to Sweden or Norway. It works.

The ussr was not socialist because of the bureaucratic elties which lived off of exploitating the working class. Fuck all old forms of “communism” in my opinion. They dont do marx’s ideas justice

Do you walk around with a Stetson?
Come on up north sometime and I'll show you how quick and accurate a draw can be.

>ok 1 a Chinese woman did stop
To move the body out of the way.

>2 yes most didn't, but that doesn't mean its cause they are Asian. maybe its where they live or their culture or whatever. not cause of them being Asian.
Culture or genes, they're soulless creatures.

>3. yeah that's fucked. fuck that lol. we can fix it though theyre still human.
Debatable. I consider some empathy part of being human. Ergo Chinks ain't human.

Don't get me started on that lunatic

I used to have hope, I used to even be a "it looks good on paper" commie. Then I realized what a retard I was.

Give me facts nor snarky jokes

You also need a state to ensure capitalism functions, its called ordoliberalism

same thing with Capitalism

Im not sorry your far off

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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

So capitalism include periods of war and revolutions, when people can't copy with inequalities any more.

Not*

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no lol, every once in a while you do see a horse and a guy in a hat like that, but not usually

Lol uneducated great

fuck off niggerfaggot

Give me an example of COMMUNISM™ working without being a totalitarian nightmare.

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>scientific socialism
Big nosed tribesmen are playing word games again.

Laos

What's with you commies and your bloodlust? Always with the "KILL THE RICH AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE"

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I wasn't aware Laos had no state, had completely given control of the means of production to the workers, and had no money. Golly gee wilkers!

You seem to forget that polls actually show that people enjoyed living in DDR. I know you've been fed the narrative of "Ebil Communibs Dictatorshipppp!!?" but it simply isn't true. Everyone could afford products because they were subsidized, subsidized vacations, the size of your house was determined by your family size, affordable healthcare, etc.
How were they exploitative? They never were capitalist. They didn' t exploit your labor. While there were problems with state officials them being capitalist wasn't one of them.

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how much would their budget change if the US wasn't supporting them or the EU never existed they'd never be able to support their programs

Stupid meme for the situation. Marxs ideas bred communism so its important to look at the difference in communism and marxism. Their definitions are different. And any new government with democratically social policies should draw from marxs ideals to strengthen and empower the middle and working classes. Its important and overlooked. Idc.

Paris Commune, Revolutionary Catalonia, Free Territory of Ukraine, Anarchist Shinmin, Zapatista Chiapas, Bavarian Socialist Republic, People's Republic of Kampuchea, Rojava, Kerala

That's damn harsh, but after the fact what can you do? It looks like they tried to help but the guy was frozen solid.

>You seem to forget that polls actually show that people enjoyed living in DDR. I know you've been fed the narrative of "Ebil Communibs Dictatorshipppp!!?" but it simply isn't true. Everyone could afford products because they were subsidized, subsidized vacations, the size of your house was determined by your family size, affordable healthcare, etc.
Then why did they build a wall to keep people in? Why did they need secret police if everyone was so happy?

>Give me lies i believe not factual truths

that's actually a good point, but its still a good example of how it CAN work. outside forces and war are not factors that should be accounted for when thinking of whether what they are implementing are good for THEM. ie. in a world without war they would be doing great

Communism was never achieved, by any of the named countries. They were always only in the way to communism and fucked up because humans are greedy cunts and mentally and technologically not ready to build a real communist society, where everybody has equal rights and don't have to pay for shit. It's more like the utopian world of star trek.

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>And any new government with democratically social policies should draw from marxs ideals to strengthen and empower the middle and working classes
Whoa, hold on Comrade! That's wrongthink there! You don't want to end up in a gulag?? The "middle class" is part of the bourgeoisie and needs to be killed!

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I know, I was bantering. Texas does seem pretty cool but very hot. I've had job offers from there but fuck it, I'm a New Yorker, and I'm quick and accurate when I have to be.

There are idiots who do

There is none faggot im in agreement with you. Communism has always failed throughout history and anyone who says it could work is wrong due to the stigma surrounding it. Marxs pure ideals havent been set into a governmental system. So that prospect interests me when talking about communism.

Dude youre retarded hows that for a word game

A lot of things. rising tensions between countries, the fact West Germany paid people for leaving, A "cool" trick in which you could buy cheaper goods from the east and sell them in the west for a higher price, which allowed people to become rich very fast.

I think you forget that the only people allowed into those polls were selected by "the party." If they voted otherwise, they and their families would disappear into a work camp. So of course they're happy just like everyone from NK.

Norway isn't in the EU and Finland is just as social-democratic (perhaps more so than Sweden at this point), but had closer trade and diplomatic ties to the USSR than to NATO during the Cold War. (they were officially neutral and had beaten the Soviets in war twice)

you should visit sometime! People are nice (usually) and as long as you don't mind the right leaning government you should love it.

Im actually going to move to new York as my roommate is planning on going to Juilliard. Im excited, but also cant wait to move to a place like Vermont or Canada once shes done

>Paris Commune
Collapsed.
>Revolutionary Catalonia
Collapsed and was crushed by OTHER COMMIES
>Free Territory of Ukraine
Collapsed.
>Anarchist Shinmin
Collapsed.
>Zapatista Chiapas
Not collapsed! Wow... But still, barely around, and very very violent.
>Bavarian Socialist Republic
Collapsed.
>People's Republic of Kampuchea
Collapsed.
>Rojava
Give it time.
>Kerala
Not anarchist.

Sounds good homie

Those are polls from late 2000s. Trust me I'm not dumb.

No room for growth my mans

Do you honestly in your heart believe that anyone in any class that you define is reading marx's books? Are you really that stupid?
Marx was full of shit, deal with it.

Ever seen ants disposing of the dead workers? Just like that.

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To make sure that they were happy happy people.

Not according to marx my friend! The middle class strengthens the proletariat when the gap reaches a critical point. Although middle class does at points hurt the proletariat. Under marxs ideals, the middle class ultimately helps the proletariat.

hahaha!

You... you can't honestly believe East Germany was a good place to live?

They should dude i wasnt going too. And i did and its enlightening. Take the time to read it and then talk to me

>Trust me I'm not dumb.

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Let's hear it, then

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>food

According to the CIA, by the 1980s, the Soviets were just as well fed as Americans, and possibly healthier.

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But they weren't "totalitarian", and that's what you were asking. Even though totalitarian is a shitty word liberals use to describe any state that opposes the US

He wasnt full of shit thats an ignorant statement. My friend who supports trump on the opposite side of my ideals acknowledges the importance of marxs ideals. Hes not full of shit

If he can acknowledge it anyone can

You've never read Marx, have you? Middle Class get the bullet too.

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Meant for

source? top kek at all the shapirotards and "muh Venezuela" idiots if this is actually legit

>And i did and its enlightening. Take the time to read it and then talk to me
You sound like a Scientologist or other cult member.
>Dianetics changed my life!

Why not? It was poor but it wasn't because of communism. It was devastated after WW2 and had a lower gdp by start compared to the west. It actually had faster economic growth but with it's GDP it could on reach the west gdp per capita from 60s, in the 80s.

Julliard is fun, I think you'd like it here depending on the neighborhood. A music teacher went there and friends and I went to see him play and it was pretty gosh darn fun. We also stuck around to shake his hand after that concert was complete, so we got points in the class.
One funny was that there was this old couple sitting in front of a friend and I and he kept falling asleep so his wife was constantly poking at him, it was hilarious.
It was just chamber music, I like that sort of stuff.

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Can I grow my pubic hairs?

They collapsed in years before they got to the totalitarian phase. Even Catalonia had a Red Terror and mass murders. Hell, there's evidence that Rojava is starting on their own purges now too.

In times of revolution when the gap increases parts of the middle class go to the upper and parts go to lower thus enlightening the lower class. So yes the the portion of the middle class that joins the upper class would get fucked

Lol dude its just interesting stuff

>source?

I told you already. The CIA.

cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf

How can anyone be happy with the constant threat of secret police and being disappeared?

yeah that sounds great! gonna start being more social as soon as I get there, and shes doing opera so its perfect for her

So quite literally "with us or you die"

Not sure if I support communism but you should definitely know that capitalism is the reason you're paying TWICE as much for your tech this year than you did last year (phone, laptop, cpu, gaming card, tv) because the big companies price fix (they have non-secret meetings each year that no press are allowed to attend (samsung, intel, amd, sony, apple all attend each year and fix prices). On top of that the reason you can't have next-gen phones and tech is because capitalism holds back technology in exchange for profit. these companies all have battles over patents every day and they give you the minimum they can to maintain a 10-20 year product lifespan so advancement is very much hindered. The pharmacoms do the same with medicine. The reason living standards haven't improved over the last 30 years is capitalism. Also the people that own the media are the same rich cunts that tell you communism doesn't work. I don't care if it works or not, I just want the cool tech that is being withheld. This is fact not foil-hat. You can find plain and clear evidence of everything I've written here online and offline.

Two retards in a pod.

holy shit thanks lol. I like both soc and cap but this is just funny. all the people saying they were starving lmao

This.

I mean its not so much capitalism, more like people abusing the system

just like socialism, if capitalism is done right, then it advances progress and creates opportunity. its just human flaws that cause failure

Young couples would also sometime defect from West to East Germany because in the 50s you needed parental permission to marry if you were a young adult in the West. In general, the East had better child care and more egalitarian gender relations, while the West preached puritanism while selling lasciviousness.

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Possibly. In any capitalist system revolution is inevitable. Whether its a peaceful or violent revolution depends on ones country, culture, etc. Power to the people

Do you seriously believe people disappeared left and right for the whole life of DDR? The gulags didn't exist since the 60s. From 70s to 80s people lived and died there like every else in the world.

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Someone is retarded if they cant explain themselves in a logical manner but i guess im retarded

thats the spirit

There was starvation in the 1920s Soviet Union, but there was serious malnutrition in the US, a few years later, during the depression, along with a big rise in suicides. The interwar period was pretty rough.

Durring the 1980s, there were sometimes long lines in the Eastern Bloc countries, and sparsely stocked store shelves, but that was because the planned economy priced food very low. Polish people in the 1980s ate more meat than Scots, but there were sometime shortages in Poland because meat would sell out and it would take some time to restock.

The calculation problems with running a planned economy would be much easier to solve today given how much computing power we now have.

Check out Paul Cockshott, if you want to understand how "cybercommunism" could work.

I wouldn't want to live through Stalin's purges in the 1930s, but 1970s Yugoslavia was pretty chill. Plenty of self-described "socialist" countries were relatively free societies.

The supposed most evil thing the DDR did was build up a massive surveillance apparatus, but the NSA makes the Stasi look like the ACLU.

Yeah right, your imaginary friend. Is he named casper the friendly ghost and does he wear sheets and shake chains at you?

Daddy Cockshott? On Yea Forums of all the places?

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In a world without war the US would never have a reason to patrol the oceans making it safe for sea trade, the EU would never be formed without WW2 or the US convincing them to align after WW2. If we lived a world without conflict we both might never know one existed and most likely the globe would be unknown. There have been many beneficial things discovered thanks to conflict and outside forces supporting currant systems it would be disrespectful to not acknowledged it. I mean hell, my country would not be recognized as a country if it was not for WW1 and WW2. We would be at lords an nobles dictate borders. Looking at only past successes as models we could say the roman empire is ideal with it's mass slavery and we should apply that today.
From what i know of norway they are somewhat self sufficient when comparing today's standards thanks to exports. Change their economy to in house and things change. They might not be able to support programs as well as now.

Yeah right, blame the USA for all of the world's problems. A nation not even 250 years old causing every problem on the planet for nations thousands of years old. You come across as pretty legit. You might want to copyright those ideas before someone else does because of course you're the first to think of them.

Sounds pretty cool, I suspect that you'll have some fun.

ill def check him out right now! any good videos or podcasts I can watch?

:)

Ok, question to commies:

If communism is so fucking great, why did EVERY SINGLE commie country in the history make it difficult for its residents to leave?
Why people didn't flock to those utopias but risked life while trying to sneak out?

well just because good things come out of something doesn't mean it was a good thing or even the best outcome. You can say because you got in a fight you got some hand eye coordination, but there are other ways to get hand eye coordination that don't involve violence. I see your point though

No we have a studio together and make music i am an audio technology major he is a legal studies major i do not lie but this is the internet So if u think i am im not gonna go at length to pursuade you differently. Because you are now just arguing for the sake of argument

>Misrepresenting the point like the big nosed man he is

It's actually even worse than that. Nearly all of the tech that makes something like a cell phone or computer possible was publicly funded, but private companies use patents, branding/trademarks, and licensing/copyright law (legal monopolies on "intellectual property") to privatize the gains.

The CIA has a high tech venture capital firm called In-Q-Tel. They are a huge player in Silicon Valley. Public research universities, national labs, and the department of defense via grants and contracts fund nearly all high tech R&D, and have since WWII.

All the important work on developing semiconductors, VLSI, PCBs, OSes, machine learning, programming languages, libraries, big data, grid computing, CMOS, networks, etc was done at public expense and subsidized for decades before it was ever profitable.

Microsoft, HP, and IBM (and Cray, SUN, and SGI when they mattered) all had the same biggest customer: the US federal government.

Oracle was originally a CIA code name before it was the name of the company.

So basically we already have a centrally planned socialized economy, but we the people, who pay for all this, don't get equity in the results.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo

The borders were simply more strict in the past. You could leave as far as I know but with difficulties. I have family from Poland and they went from Poland to the Netherlands on vacation once.

And of course the reason we are posting here, ARPANET, was the ultimate DARPA project.

NOAA would still do it with bouys(sp?) do determine sea levels to give warnings of weather and perhaps crazy tides. A few minutes of warning can save a lot of lives.
We'll always have our military out there, it's necessary because once you let your guard down, some twat will try to take advantage, that's a proven fact in history.

Hand eye coordination i get from playing ping pong is different from hand eye coordination i get from boxing. It's apples and organs. Right now we would never have penicillin if not for WW2. Plenty of people we both know would be dead if not for the events that took place.