Ok faggots, discussion time, an intellectual oasis in this mire of Christchurch and tits threads...

I agree with it in principle to a certain extent, for very extreme crimes, but on a practical level, it is more expensive in the US than a life sentence. You can't just get rid of the appeals process for the death penalty either, it is fundamental to our system of justice and the fact is that some people truly are innocent, even on death row.

Capital punishment is great. If someone is going to spend the rest of their life in prison, death is a better solution for the state. Some crimes should also be considered so heinous that death penalty is always perused. Firing squad or hanging should be instituted because doctors don't like giving the death juice if they know it will be used on humans.

>m for it, not as a form of punishment - once someone is dead, theyre gone, they cant be punished anymore

it can work as a deterrent. consider this. police departments all over the world are equipped with tasers, sedative dart guns and rubber bullet launchers. their mandate is to take killers alive, at any cost.

when a shooter is captured, he is then slowly tortured to death on live television over a period of weeks. doctors ensure that his agony is prolonged as far as possible; hideous screams and begging for it to be ended.. but it isn't... and at the bottom of the screen these words scroll past constantly:

"Shooters? This could be you."

Totally against it. Too many mistakes have been made and the wrong people have been sent to prison.

People assume that problem has been eliminated because of DNA but it hasn’t. In some ways it’s actually worse. Detection methods have become so sensitive that even slight DNA samples can be found. That means that your DNA can end up being detected somewhere you’ve never been.

There was a murder in California a few years back. Very wealthy man was found murdered in his home. They found DNA on his body. When they entered it into their database it came back to a bum that had been convicted of something in the past and his DNA collected. He was facing life in prison and a possible death sentence (although California rarely carries them out).

Turns out the guy had been treated by the paramedics who responded to the call of the murder victim, on the same night as the murder. The DNA transfer took place, they think, via the pulse monitor they put on your fingertip.

There is also a case out of Nebraska where some kids were charged with a double murder. A renowned crime lab was brought in to process the evidence. After combing through everything they found nothing to tie these kids to it. The lab went back over and everything and presto they found the smoking gun DNA evidence. Turns out the guy who runs the lab planted the evidence.

That shot happens more than people realize. The guy got a few years in prison and his lab worked death penalty cases. None of the cases have been reopened. It’s fucked.

Too lazy to google and post links. The stories are true. If you look them up also check out the women who had a cadaver dog and worked with cops to find remains at crime scenes. She was caught planting evidence so that she could claim success at hard to solve cases. They raided her home and it was filled with human remains.

>giving government this much power over its citizens
Name one country that operates like this where people are free and happy. You should move to North Korea.

Thats what im saying, im for the death sentence purely for practicality. It would be more of a punishment to keep him alive, but punishment isnt the point. There is an idea of rehabilitation with most prisoners, the idea that once theyve served their time they can be released back into the world. But this doesnt apply to extremely serious crimes

Death is actually not a better solution for the state on a financial level. Death penalties cost the state more than life in prison on average by quite a large margin.

Capital Punishment is good for tribal systems in the sense we can kill spies for being in places they shouldnt be. Because people get into places that they shouldnt be and that becomes a problem, like in a tribal system when you get captured by natives, they fucking eat you for being that fucking stupid. So at the highest level of society and the most primitive level it is going to filter out stupid shit and eliminates the cost of damage control. Good spies dont need to be rescued and neither do sports players who commit career suicide sticking their dicks in little girls. Case in point when you elect someone who puts you in korean warfare dont ask for a bail out when you are suddenly drafted for korean war.

You sound like a fucking retard who would have been “screen out” under a eugenics program had Planned Parenthood had their way in the 30’s.

Well thought out argument, and those cases are interesting, especially the last one, might have to look into it. This is all based on IF the person did it though, what about cases where we knew for a fact that they did it? If there are 5 witnesses, CCTV footage, and the man was dragged away covered in blood screaming ''I DONT REGRET A FUCKING THING''. Should he be subject to execution?

Really? Now thats interesting, i wouldnt have thought that would be the case. I mean, how much is the injection? Cant be more than 40+ years of food, medicine, sanitation, entertainment, and admin can it?

How would we even do it? The injection is apparently quite pricey and doctors dont like to take part, but guillotines and firing squad are considered too messy these days. I vaguely remember some idea of wiring an electric chair up to a random electricity line. So someone, somewhere in the nation, would turn on a lamp or a fan, and that would trigger the execution. Cant remember if it was ever used, but its an interesting concept. Apparently executioners are hard to find (dont know why, i'd do it, not like youre killing innocent people, its just the job)

I am for it, but only for big crimes such as murder, rape, etc. (you know what I mean). But people who committed/were about to commit a crime and wanted to die afterwards shouldn't face death because you'd fulfill their wish (suicidebombers).

But doesnt that offer a degree of choice in the criminal's mind? If they want to die, they can say they werent going to kill themselves, whereas if they dont want the death penalty, they could say they planned to commit suicide. Its messy.

Theres always the option of giving them a 'dishonourable' death. Muslim attackers being forced to have pork in their body before execution. Seems a little far, but it would probably reduce the number of attacks

The appeals process is what does it. Very expensive court cases. It hasn't been studied in every state necessarily but almost all studies and reports have concluded that with the appeals process it's a lot more. (ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison?) If you're interested. Not possible to make an absolute conclusion because it can vary but this fact-checking sites along with every other source I've looked at concludes that it is more expensive on average. You can't just get rid of the appeals process either. It's fundamental to our system of justice and the constitution. I think even most on the far-right tough on crime people would agree we can't just get rid of the appeals process.

kenshiro

Shoplifters should be euthanized or something

I guess we cant get rid of it, (though i would, if someone is found guilty with enough evidence, then thats it right? Family members dont know better than courts and DNA analysts). Maybe we could trim it a little. Still let people appeal, but allow a high court judge to look it and have the power the dismiss it as time wasting

Totally agree. But even though it would be very fair, it doesn't match with human rights.

They dont even have proof that people who get executed in the modern day get it right 100% of the time. Thats one of the issues of the morality of it.

lmao maybe one every now and again. Just to scare the fuck out of people. Like we get a lottery system, and you roll it for whatever crime you did, and if your number comes up, you die. Murder is 5/1 rape is 10/1, GBH is 25/1, shoplifting can be 2000/1. Just so every now and again some little chav gets deleted and all the other ones buck their ideas up

I'm against death penalty.

1. There are plenty of cases where it turns out that the person is indeed innocent.

2. Let the convict rot in prison and have miserable life in an isolation cell. I gladly pay taxes to keep them barely alive.

Because a large portion of those cases are false accusations and literally killing people when even 5% of the cases could be based on false accusations is insanity; the justice system would be killing 1/20 death row inmates without a (key word here;) fair trial

Every country that uses death sentence violates the human rights it is grounded on. Plz don't kill. Is bad! Nope? Than we kill you muhahahaha!

I dunno man, I kinda like tits threads.

Laws can be changed. Maybe you lose some of your human rights once youve done enough damage. Maybe only first degree murder (premeditation for anyone wondering). Why should you keep your human rights when youve robbed 10+ people of theirs? I know we're coming back to plain old punishment now, but the more severe the punishment, the less chance of people committing crimes in the future. If there was a man in every town and city with the law given right to fuck convicted rapists with a strap on made of thorns, what do you think will happen to rape statistics?

Only in the USA because of the long time in jail before exeeand the multiple appeals. I doubt that China or Iran spend much on their executions

And execution makes the government no better than the criminal

thats a pretty good idea

I don't want the government to be allowed to kill people.
I would instead propose a monitored and airtight cell with a ventilation system that can be turned off by a button within the cell itself. This cell would be reserved for a person who can never be let back out. They might interact with other inmates, maybe even visitations, but they are always brought back to that cell, and are made to understand that they will never get out.
They can live out the rest of their life with bread and board, and if they ever want to call it quits - all they have to do is hit the button. Oxygen would slowly deplete, and they would simply drift off painlessly, or have time to regret the button press.

Not trying to sound like an arrogant dick. I'm not a legal expert, I'm just kind of interested in the topic so I've read about it a bit and pay attention to court cases etc. but... what you are describing is exactly what happens. If there is even slight grounds for appeal under the law the judge has to let it through, but if the appeal is arbitrary, which it sometimes is, then it can be denied. Oftentimes the appeals are not on grounds of innocence, but technicalities, or trying to get the sentence reduced to life. Average prisoners are on death row for over a decade, often more. The crux of my point is that I agree with the death penalty philosophically, but not in practicality. I also believe that inmates should indeed have the right to appeal, it is fundamental to our system of justice.

Yes but I don't think we want the United States system of justice to become more like Iran or China...

Not sure if its good to be looking to China for any inspiration, but i happen to know their executions are practical as fuck. Person commits crime, person is arrested, person goes on trial, if person is found guilty of enough crimes, person has one shot at appeals, if it doesnt work, person is killed and forgotten about.

The Chinese are animals, but they dont fuck around with the death sentence

Disagree. Due process, the criminal has a chance to defend himself before a jury of his peers, have case judged & appealed if necessary, and in the end the punishment fits the crime. The victim had no such opportunity.

Oh, didnt realise it could be dismissed anyway. I guess the part thats confusing me is how the hell it can take 10 years? Obviously you need time for an appeal to be made and evidence to be found, but i find it extremely suspect that it could take any longer than 6 months

>intellectual oasis
>on Yea Forums
Maximum delusion.

For serious criminals it's either death or live the rest of their lives in prison. I personally think that allowing an enemy or a threat to your people to live at all is stupid thing to do. The problem with a death penalty is the lack of potential redemption for the falsely convicted. New evidence comes to light and, hopefully with serious compensation, guy can go free. Oh wait, he's dead. Welp. It's supposedly a small risk but still a big problem.

The problem with jail time is the drain on taxpayer money and the fucker is still alive. The guy being kept alive isn't the biggest drain but there are lots of them and it adds up to a small fortune. Forced slavery would be a nice compromise because it eliminates the tax drain on life sentences. I don't like this idea because it's too easily corrupted. Overwork slaves on particular projects for kickbacks. Get prisoners sentences increased to life through false behaviour reports. Force prisoners who aren't serving life sentences to work and keep it off the books so nobody finds out. Pay off courts and judges to enslave people who wouldn't deserve it. Criminal and law enforcement elements getting paid to frame or set people up. Let's not forget the slippery slope issue that's recently been proving it's less of a fallacy and more of a reality. The list goes on.

Despite the failures of the current penal system it really is the best option we've got right now. I certainly can't think of a better one. The only thing I'd like to see changed is that it spends less time pretending it can reform criminals and more time actually trying to bring justice to the victims.
For me; anything short of an eye for an eye punishment coupled with full debt repayment to both the victim and the state can be called justice.

Thats a good point. Obviously there's degrees to it. Someone drink driving and killing someone isnt the same thing as premeditated murder, but in the case of first degree, we really should be considering execution

Courts are very, very slow. They have a large volume of cases and there is always evidence and legal precedents to be reviewed.

Seems to be working out though user, come in the water, it'll increase your IQ

Even after someone is found guilty? I'd have thought most of the work had been done by that point. But you're right, im not a lawyer, i dont know how these things work, but still. A DECADE? How often does a huge mass killing happen? Ok in America its fairly common, every few weeks or so, but even then. I just have this feeling that everyone could knock it out in 1-2 weeks if they just focused. I dont understand how the wheels of justice move so slowly

IQ is 50-80% genetic and most of the environmental variance comes from childhood nutrition. So no, no it won't. Again, stop deluding yourself.

Rev up the guillotines boys

>This is all based on IF the person did it though, what about cases where we knew for a fact that they did it?
You mean like beyond a reasonable doubt? I hope to fuck juries only convict in a death penalty case if they’re pretty goddamn sure.

>If there are 5 witnesses, CCTV footage, and the man was dragged away covered in blood screaming ''I DONT REGRET A FUCKING THING''. Should he be subject to execution?
Is this how the threshold would be written in the law? How do propose you translate this idea into a statute? Again people are convicted because someone is pretty sure. You would be amazed, when you start to look into it, how absurd cases can be where people are absolutely positive someone is guilty. You have to believe if you’re involved you would be swept up in the absurdity too. Cases are complex and are never as simple as “guy coverd in blood on camera screaming I don’t regret anything”. Again you would be amazed how many people confess to crimes they didn’t commit. It’s one of the main reasons Law Enforcement has what they call holdback information. It’s info, not released to the public, that only the perpetrator should know.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria

>fact is that some people truly are innocent, even on death row.
this. that's why death penalty is a bad idea. You can't say "sorry we made a mistake, here take some money" afterwards

I'm not arguing for or against it's just how it is and how it has to be under United States law and the Constitution.

>I hope to fuck juries only convict in a death penalty case if they’re pretty goddamn sure.
You'd like to think that, but someone did a study a while ago and found that people on a jury can be very easily persuaded by the loudest person on the table. If the loudest person there says the person is guilty, everyone tends to agree with them. Interestingly it didnt even seem to matter what level crime was commited. Whether it was a mass murderer or a serial flasher, the jury were always persuaded by the loudest person. Now imagine that person is a raging asshole who just wants to wrap it up and go home

if i were king..those who broke the law of man would have to fight for their right to live..once every six months the games would begin..two men enter one man leaves..and the type of fight they would have would be based on a spin of the wheel of destiny..if you win, you get to survive until the next games..

Then fuck off back to the 20 up right now.

>If there was a man in every town and city with the law given right to fuck convicted rapists with a strap on made of thorns, what do you think will happen to rape statistics?
I think many more rapists would kill their victims after the attack to eliminate the only witness.

Then we need to amend the Constitution, things get streamlined as they progress. For a while you had to hand crank cars to start them up, now we just turn a key. I agree we cant cant get rid of appeals, but put a time limit on them for fucks sake. it should take 10 years to do ANYTHING. These people will die of old age by the time they get executed

Are....are you saying China and Iran has it right?

government? no, i think there should be a company like Apple that handles the torture of captured mass shooters.

Dude... A simple divorce can take years.

Ah. Good point. then for murderers we have something even worse. 2 men, one with a some barbed wire, the other with a big bucket of lemons. They get to keep you in their shed for 3 months. Just upscale the punishment until either crime stops, or all the lunatics willing to risk it are all fucked to death. Its not a clean solution, but it is a solution

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>the government never lies about its citizens
>convicts are never a result of an overzealous prosecution
>giving the government this much power
I dunno man. Sounds like Gulag 2.0

but WHY? I dont doubt you, i just dont understand. A court has to decide who pays how much money to who, what happens to the kids, and what happens to the house. Im 99% sure i could decide that ALONE in 2 hours. What the fuck are they all doing?

Not only am I in favor of capital punishment, I feel we should bring back other forms of non-prison, non-fine punishments. Flogging and exile in particular. Prison is inefficient and inhumane imo, much more so than physical pain.

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I’m sure this is true. So then the threshold of “only when we’re sure he did it” for the death penalty makes even less sense.

For the death penalty. Some stupid assholes claim they're against it because they imagine some of these assholes might one day be declared innocent in some parallel universe or whatever. We catch people red-handed all the time. People admit their involvement and the evidence is overwhelmingly against them. Not everyone is innocent. Someone has to be committing all this damn crime.

I'd expand the death sentence to include almost all violent crimes, like robbery, rape and unprovoked assault with great bodily harm. I would lump drug addicts/dealers and habitual offenders into there, too. It would actually have a deterrent effect because people would realize there are actual consequences again. When Duterte threatened death for drug offenders many gave it up.

I'd just use it as you said, a delete button. No need to publicly hang someone, it's not about giving the victims or their survivors justice. Just shoot them in the back of the head and throw them down a hole.

You mean the murder the murderers policy? Lol, I jest.

I don’t like it. I find it hypocritical. I’m definitely a huge centrist (read: faggot) though, and I’ll vote in favor of abolishing it if the chance arrises, but it’s not something I care too heavily about though you have no clue how sad it makes me when I sur back and realize how many people have been put to death who otherwise may have learned the error of their ways. A life cut off from any chance of repentance and redemption.

>Its not a clean solution, but it is a solution
No it’s not. I’m honestly not sure if you’re trying to be edgy or serious but if the possibility of life in prison, while being spit roasted by BBC with a side of HIV isn’t a deterrent nothing is.

If your idea worked the most brutal countries would have no crime. That doesn’t pan out in the real world.

Public hangings are less about making the victims feel good and more about instructing the population.
Gay ngl

You're way overestimating niggers. I think that without the threat of death shitholes would have more crime. Compare to the Far East: radically different legal systems and punishment regimes in all three countries, but all around low crime rates.

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> Im 99% sure i could decide that ALONE in 2 hours
How old are you? Not trolling genuinely curious

I’m not saying the court system isn’t slow as shit but you seem to have a VERY simple view of complex situations. Even if the court system worked efficiently it would take a day or two just to go over all the evidence and listen to witness testimony especially if child custody ( known as a parenting plan these days) is being contested.

>For the death penalty. Some stupid assholes claim they're against it because they imagine some of these assholes might one day be declared innocent in some parallel universe or whatever
>might one day be declared innocent in some parallel universe or whatever
>might one day be declared innocent in some parallel universe or whatever
>might one day
>in some parallel universe or whatever

Wow...... you are woefully misinformed on this subject. I mean like a level of dumbass that is is astounding.

innocenceproject.org/cases/

I agree with this guy.
These examples are enough to avoid something as definitive as the death penalty.
Life in prison is more ok.

>gay ngl
Yeah, yeah. I’ve been around long enough to know that’s how people on both sides feel.

Wow you’re quite the litigator. Have you ever argued in front the Supreme Court?

Yeah, in a system that handles millions of criminals annually some might be innocent. There are PLENTY of people whose guilt is not only beyond a reasonable doubt but beyond question. We have caught people in the act. OP referenced Christchurch. The asshole livestreamed the event with his face in the video and everything. We KNOW some people did it, dipshit. Their innocence is a foregone conclusion. We can execute them and sleep well at night.

I'm against captial punishmet. Certain crimes should be punished by dropping the criminal in a hole deep enough so that the only light he sees again is the end of the tunnel from getting raped to death.

What did he mean by this?

Basically on the same page as OP

Existence for life sentence is because of advocate for life sentence from people better than us. How can we call ourselves the better part of the society if we can't hold empathy towards people that has done crimes that are so serious it exceed their lifespan?

Another part of the argument is that said punishment are executed by a governing body that you cannot guarantee is incorruptible for all age and time. A delete button is an extremely dangerous power to give.

Whereas the price of keeping a person in jail is actually small. The actual cost of it is merely the amount they consume. The price for guards and everything else is relative. Increase/decrease wages of guards, increase/decrease of guards, and relocation of guards to active policing/patrol unit.

Not saying that the world isn't corrupt and that we have a perfect system now, but I think what we have currently is an ok system. We are not keeping them so they can be useful again or ever be. We pay to keep them in so everything else stay the same and hope nobody try some power play to have enough power to install said "delete button".

And I like to think that most people are quite happy with the current system. Sure it sort of is a waste of money, and when the bill comes you gawk at the amount. But we live in a world where people flip coin into fountain and the sea. The price is not so bad honestly.

>For the death penalty. Some stupid assholes claim they're against it because they imagine some of these assholes might one day be declared innocent in some parallel universe or whatever
>of course in a system that handles millions of criminals some are innocent but found guilty

Way to back peddle faggot kek. Ok so how do you translate “NO WERE REAL SURE THIS GIY DID IT” into a statute? What does that look like? How is that different then the system we have now? And how many innocent people executed is ok with you.m?

And this time how bout you actually stand by what you say and not be a backpedaling faggot?

>muh abstract values are worth more than the bottom line

Not always, faggot. Maybe in a place like Europe (circa 1990) where the population of Whites are mostly productive and peaceful. They had a small prison population and could afford to house them. Here in the US we have a large prison population and can afford to house them, but only for now. Look at a place like Eucador, where they have a lot of crime but don't have the resources, so their prison system is just a revolving door. Watch ther economy tank and we'll have to decide what to do with our prisoners: release them or execute them. They lower the level of civilization, so I'm all for executing them. I see the death penalty as a way to remove undesirables from the population who tie up resources and make everyone around them suffer.

Or fuck it, use them as slave labor and have them repair our infrastructure, or pick our fruit so illegals don't have to.

niggers invented the crime justice system you racist bastards

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Yeah, nah. Fuck you, soft ass egalitarian faggot. Not all crimes are equal. In some guilt is more obvious than others. You could easily put "obvious guilt" inti a statute, and have death penalty cases presided over by a triumvirate of judges who determine the obviousness of guilt. Once it's determined, no appeals, no weits of habeas corpus. Just straight to the mass grave and a bullet to the dome.

>muh government would never abuse a power over citizens
You don’t address that little caveat. I bet I know where you’re gonna go now.
>well why have laws at all?!?

I'm cool with it. The problem is I don't trust the government with such power.

>Capitol Punishment
>Capitol
Yes, very intellectual

You're right, there's a potential. In a homogeneous society where the people aren't paranoid one group is exercising control over another we wouldn't have to worry about it. This hypothetical death penalty implementation I'm proposing would probably disproportionately effect retarded minorities, so it would be declared unconstitutional immediately after the data started rolling in. We'll have to wait until society collapses to start throwing out the trash again.

or leave them to science

it is not because someone is "bad" or cannot be let loose in society that they cannot make a significant contribution to the advancement of the human race. Evenif it is just one simple train of thought no-one had before. For that reason, any life should be kept and I am against capital punishment.

It’s not as simple as just killing someone. And it shouldn’t be either. But it takes an outrageously long time to reach the conclusion of a death sentence. And each year, each and every death row inmate costs the taxpayers an extra $90K over what it would take to keep them in general population

Yeah, nah. Almost no one on death row has any deep insights someone else wouldn't have had. They're not curing cancer. If they're that awesome then we might be able to strike a deal where such a scientist continues their research from a secure facility under supervision. Everyone else can get the bullet.

If someone is genuinely smart and worth while, they wouldn’t get caught and sent to death row

>And each year, each and every death row inmate costs the taxpayers an extra $90K over what it would take to keep them in general population

Because death penalty opponents have thrown up so much red tape to getting someone executed. This idiots are of the philosophy that if we drop a billion dollars exonerating just one person then it was money well spent. They're social advocates, not economists or mathematicians.

If my younger sister is convicted as a serial killer, I would like to still bring her comics, tell her about the latest development in the TV show we watched and actors/actress she know.

She being convicted doesn't change my feelings toward her.

As such I think you'll find it hard pressed to convince people like me with your mindset, thinking that people who are bad people should still be useful, forcefully if need be.

For every one person that think that prisoners can be used to help the economy, I think there are more people that are living good enough to not agree with that.

>Yeah, nah. Fuck you, soft ass egalitarian faggot.
Kek. You really missed the mark on that.

>Not all crimes are equal. In some guilt is more obvious than others.
How do you translate that into a law?
>You could easily put "obvious guilt" inti a statute,
You still don’t say how. You don’t say how it’s different than what we have now.

>and have death penalty cases presided over by a triumvirate of judges who determine the obviousness of guilt.
Right. Like the Supreme Court that these cases often go to or simply the appeals process?

>Once it's determined, no appeals, no weits of habeas corpus. Just straight to the mass grave and a bullet to the dome.
You talk real tough. I’m guessing you’re the kind of person who never put their life and freedom on the line to protect anyone.

I guess I’m “ soft” because I don’t trust the government and see my life and those under my mantle of protection as my responsibility.

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Fuck that user, slavery is not a benefit to society

You might not be smart, but that doesn't mean I can't learn a great deal from observing you. Or perhaps you have other talents.

>>> Almost no one on death row has any deep insights someone else wouldn't have had.
This applies to people out side of death row as well.

Wtf this isn't high school you boring ass nigger. Debate my foot in your ass

>someone facing death has no deep insight
Say “yeah nah” again.

>You talk real tough. I’m guessing you’re the kind of person who never put their life and freedom on the line to protect anyone.

The fact that you think having a CC license and a Glock 17 is some sort of "qualification" speaks to your stupidity. Thank goodness more 2nd Amendment advocates support the death penalty than your faggot ass. I own a firearm and carry as well, because I recognize that deadly force is warranted from time to time. I believe some people still need to die even after they've been appehended and isolated from society. There's no sense in keeping them around. As long as humans are a part of our justice system they will make mistakes. We do the best we can with what we have. We could innovate ways to make the system more efficient, but the people who believe every life is precious or are paranoid (like yourself) make it difficult or impossible to remove the trash (and some people ARE trash) from around us. So we end up tolerating the trash and then we wake up one day surrounded by it.

>woefully misinformed
>includes link showing an obvious bias to one side
Kek

You have yet to address anything I’ve actually said. You’ve continued to back peddle on statements you’ve made. don’t carry guns) you say I’m stupid.

>We could innovate ways to make the system more efficient, but the people who believe every life is precious or are paranoid (like yourself)
I proved to you it wasn’t paranoia. I posted a link for tons of cases where it happened. You’re first post you said people are only exhonerated in parrallel universe. I prove you wrong and you side steep that and call me a soft egalitarian faggot and when I prove you wrong (those people don’t carry guns) and you call me stupid.

>make it difficult or impossible to remove the trash (and some people ARE trash) from around us. So we end up tolerating the trash and then we wake up one day surrounded by it.
Again you have yet to make a cogent argument. The above is what you’ve been reduced to and all you do is rave and rant. You claim. To be a supporter of the 2nd amendment but blindly trust the government. You’re the worst of both worlds. You have yet to address a single point. Stay mad and keep saying “yes nah”.

>I carry a gun too
Unfortunately I believe you.

This and nice dubs. I would love to make a slaves from all these nigger criminals. THAT WOULD BE FUCKING USEFUL FOR SOCIETY

The innocence project is absolutely bias. But the link I posted is to cases where they have gotten convinctions overturned.

So the system is always right when it convicts but wrong when it exhonerates?

And that’s worth 90k a year for EACH prisoner? Hundreds of millions because maybe in their deranged pent up minds they just might have an epiphany?

>You’re first post you said people are only exhonerated in parrallel universe

Sorry I didn't clarify my point for uiu initially, but I have sense then but your stupid ass continues conflating cases which lacked clarity but the suspect was convicted anyway to others where guilt is more apparent. In THOSE cases, I advocate for a rapid disposition. In the others, a lifetime of hard labor. You haven't proven me wrong, you just continue to deny that there are cases where guilt is obvious and you say dumb shit like "how do we establish obviousness".

shit fuck

I think that a death sentence is more humane than locking someone up for 40 years, so therefore I support it. Also, locking up people for the rest of their lives uses time and money that could be put to better things.

I'm generally skeptical of the death penalty for for the first offense, even murder, but anybody becoming a repeat offender of severe crimes should be executed.
Say robbery. You get one second chance, then if you are convicted of a second robbery you are executed.
Should apply to major capital crimes, murder, rape, severe cases of assault, all that sort of thing.
Lesser crimes and first offenses should be punished by forced labor.

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I recommend read 'The Bet'.
Really great short story on this subject

Type more words without saying anything. You forgot to say
>hell nah

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Oh sorry it’s
>yeah nah
That clearly carries more weight in any debate kek.

It's expensive and sometimes innocent people get executed and evidence doesn't show up until THEY'RE ALREADY DEAD

If you don't see how that is enough reason not to have it then you're just a stupid fucking witchhunter dumdum gooba gooba goobler

>we can observe them
>Observation then means they must have an epiphany

Ok.

Good post. Solid arguments to back up your position. I especially your use of ad hominem.

>I especially your use of
Look if your gonna attack me than at least use grammar