How is suicide not more common?

People like to pretend like every person who commits suicide is crazy. Like in order to want to kill yourself you have to be insane but continuing to live a life that brings you nothing but pain sounds a hell of a lot worse.

Here is the video I promised earlier just fishing if anyone likes this video feel free to explore the channel who posted this video it helped me immensely. youtube.com/watch?v=gfyCzLbcAvk

>everyone deserves to be able to die without any explanations, no questions asked

You are allowed to. I don't know what's stopping you. But you can't expect people to not be sad that you died they lose someone that's dear to them so of course they are going to be sad

No, it's you.
You clearly didn't understand the example.

Why are you writing about it instead of doing it? There's your answer. Instinct to survive is just too strong for most of us.

No, actually, it's you. You don't understand my comment.

i stay alive to eat chicken tendies

No, you don't understand it.

Let me explain. If there is just 1 near perfect constant and you only get 1 lottery ticket (aka universe), you aren't realistically going to win the lotto (get the correct value for light).

And this is just one constant. 180 constants with near perfect values with just one universe is utter stupidity to believe in. Chance is not on your side with just one constant. 180 is overkill

Just enjoy yourself man. Sure you gotta work hard sometimes but in the end its always worth it. Sad times, happy times, they all come and go but you stay as long as you want to

'The anthropic principle states a logical truism: the fact of our existence as intelligent beings who can measure physical constants requires those constants to be such that beings like us can exist.'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_constant#Fine-tuned_Universe

That argument is fucking stupid. Live as we know it is unlikely however we can't predict what a universe would be like with different constants we can't say that different forms of life would be possible and it just happened to be us and now we think we are somehow special

>"But the pain it caused was too much to live with, but not enough to cause him to die".
That's pretty much the condition of us all. Suicide is like leaving a match that you decided was already lost; you will probably "lose" anyway, but at least you tried until the end. We just got this one single life, I don't feel like an heroing for "reasons".

Are you seriously so apathetic that you can't find any good reason to keep living? You don't want to see new technology arise in the future? You don't derive any enjoyment out of your daily life?

Fucking hell, learn how to find some happiness and contentedness.

Go socialize with a group of people. Find a common interest with other people and join a group.

I go to a book club, I pickup girls on tinder to fuck, I do fun activities with my friends, I play hours and hours of video games online with friends, I get high and watch bob ross videos, I do a tonne of stuff just because it interests me and excites me. We get to exist with an absolute sea of information at our fingertips, and the most interactive forms of communication never even imagined before. It's insane how many opportunities exist for humans today in developed countries to stimulate themselves and experience things, and all you can do is lament that you need to work and will eventually die.

Go find a job that will sustain you and not entirely bore you, and use it as a tool to get you everything else you want. 8-10 hours a day isn't the end of the fucking world when it affords you such unimaginable freedom.

Thanks, I'm cured.

That isn't a counter argument.

You have to show multiple universes being created is a thing. Period. You can't weasel yourself out of that.

Stupid argument. You are saying life of some sort could still be possible if the constants were different? Prove it.

You're the one weaseling. Because you see only this one universe, you're not convinced other universes exist. When you're outside, you can't see most of the Earth. It still exists. Just because you can't physically see Shanghai and Chicago, they still exist. And just because you can't see 800 trillion universes, they might still exist. Are you 12?

I said we can't exclude that possibility also just because something is unlikely doesn't mean its impossible why can't the things be just right for our kind of life to exist by chance?

I honestly stay alive because the curiosity; knowing that ur life is going 2 be painfully average removes the happiness of it a lot of times but that little day a week that u do what u likes gives me the force 2 keep living, I'm going 2 die anyways, why not enduring a little bit longer till something weird happens?, maybe that and the fear of death is why the humannity don't put a toaster in the ocean and finish us up

YOU have to show multiple universes are a thing. Period. Saying otherwise is weasling.

Think about it. I could say we were created by zues. Is that logical? No because there is NO EVIDENCE for zues. Same thing can be said about multiple universes.

You don't know how probability works. Just because something CAN happen doesn't mean it will.

Are you the same guy I argued with on reddit? Literally the same arguments I countered.

By your logic, we can't take zues out of the equation "because it's possible".

I never argued about religion on the internet because I am normally not that autistic

but anyway

No, we can't exclude Zeus just as we can't say for certain that God doesn't exist again just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

>just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

And just because something CAN happen doesn't mean it will. Why do atheists struggle with statistics?

No evidence = no reason to believe it.

According to you, I should believe we were possibly created by a spaghetti monster "because it can't be 100% disprove". Lol logic fail. True autism.

I am not an atheist cz too many facts prove the existence of the soul. don't think about the meaning of life. just understand, the way you look at life is just a look through a very cloudy glass. you have to have a self-preservation instinct to not kill yourself. if you understand the meaninglessness of human actions-does not mean that life is now meaningless. so stop talking a bullshit and start doing science.

Hope that extreme life extension will be available in my lifetime.

That this universe exist is prove that it can happen there is no evidence in god so why do you belive?

Couple things.
One preservation instinct. You're wired to kind of want to live.

Two. Some of it's pretty decent. I enjoy a lot of aspects of life, I live day to day and some of it's really cool. Excellent, even.

Three. There isn't good without shit. I'm unemployed right now (I'm a tradesman. It's common. Its fine, I'll be back to work soon enough :)). I'm on week two. I have a sweet fun relaxing life at home and I'm bored as shit. I literally don't care what day it is, and my days are, at best, alright.

When I work, yeah, my work days are boring and drag and sometimes they suck, but my evenings and weekends are fucking awesome.
It's relative. If shit sucks, good shit is better.

so you wont kill urself cause ur afraid of god? fucking faggot

Flaw in logic.

YES, the fact this universe exists shows it is possible (I swear you HAVE to be the same guy I argued with on reddit the other day. Literally what they said).

Where is the evidence that multiple universes were created and not just ONE?

You can't even understand the argument.
Think.
If you ONLY have one lottery ticket, can you win?
Yes.
Is it probable? No.

More trials = higher success rate which is why it can only be logical to believe we were created without a god IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE UNIVERSES.

The chance of just ONE universe providing the 180+ constants is abysmal.

The chance of just one constant being the right value is abysmal.

This is why YOU NEED MORE TRIALS

you need MULTIPLE UNIVERSES aka lottery tickets to higher success rate

you atheists always struggle to understand basic logic.

BECAUSE it is illogical to believe we had all the right constants at the right value with ONE universe, that automatically DEFAULTS to making the idea of design by a creator as being more logical.

This isn't rocket science.

Would you like me to burn you and as you scream I say "what a faggot. You are actually afraid of fire"?

>be 20
>have a friend who is a normie
>he has a decent job and a pretty hot gf
>one night he goes out into the woods and hangs himself from a tree
>he never made any indication that he was depressed and was the honestly the last person i would have though would have off themselves.
still think he's a cunt for doing it however fair play to him for not being a woe me bitch and just getting on with it.

what is this thread about?

peanuts

frogbump

i have sex with beautiful women
my gf her milan kunis looking 19yo hot gf
i have millions in stock equity
thanks to legal pot
run some side hustles i want to be in
keep my wits about with some training and shit
really i just dont live in america
i reap the rewards with the stock market
but americans
of course they’re exploited lol
they even voted for a dumb ass billionaire who sells them out for shmucks like me
im from niggeragua too jajajaja

Offtopic question
>i have millions in stock equity
>thanks to legal pot

You invested into the marijuana industry (stock market)? If you aren't lying..

How much did you invest. What year and when did you sell? How much was the profit?

people kill themselves every second

> your conscious

Why haven't you gone to school yet? Me, I don't fear English class, but I fear illiteracy. Since I know some grammar Nazi will change the subject, I'll say I believe in passing the year without repeating.

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1. Passed my 2 college english classes that I had to take. Stop nitpicking

2.
Concious = aware of and responding to one's surroundings; awake.

Fail. The grammar is fine.

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You don't have to believe in a god to believe in multiple universes.
Infact, believing in multiple universes doesn't mean you can't be agnostic either, or believe in simulation theory.

If you believe in simulation theory though, your life is even more meaningless. Also, if you believe in the fact that humans lack free will, then you're not even in control of yourself so it's not up to you if you kill yourself

>You don't have to believe in a god to believe in multiple universes.

I DON'T believe in universes constantly being created without end to begin with

>Infact, believing in multiple universes doesn't mean you can't be agnostic either

My argument is that you HAVE to believe in multiple universes in order to justify the near perfect constants. Thing is, what factual evidence for universes constantly being created wothout end exists?

>or believe in simulation theory.

Never heard of it. Is it an actual theory (testable) or just an idea (not testable)?

>Speed of light has a low level of tolerance meaning had it just been a bit faster or slower (outside the level of tolerance), no life could exist.

What retardation is this that you’ve half learned?!

No, in that alternate universe with a faster or slower speed of light, all it would mean is that the speed of light would be different. The speed of light is not a precursor for life. Earth organism likely developed in deep ocean where there is no light.

Explain what the fuck you are talking about, and THEN kill yourself

I guess it's just an idea, but that's normally what it's coined regardless. Eventually it will be come testable to see if it's at the very least possible, but we are far from that point.

This idea of constants or whatever isn't something I've looked into, might give it a look. I don't outright deny a creator, I just don't think any religion has it correct. One might exist, one might not. I don't care.

Simulation theory goes like this.
The odds that some civilisation in the future will create a super computer capable of simulating a universe is high.
And given the size of the universe, the chances that there are multiple versions of these simulations running is also high.

So the odds that you are in fact in one of these many simulated universes is also high.

In fact the odds that you just happen to be in the only original “real universe” is extremely low.

Ergo - we are living in a simulated universe

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>all it would mean is that the speed of light would be different. The speed of light is not a precursor for life

Down syndrome unleashed. You have no fucking clue what you're spouting.

"changes by an amount more than about 0.01, then things will be significantly different. There cannot be any more production of carbon in stars from burning helium; In other words, we would not exist today if the value of the fine structure constant in the past was significantly different from what it is today!"

curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/101-the-universe/cosmology-and-the-big-bang/general-questions/563-how-will-a-change-in-the-speed-of-light-affect-the-evolution-of-the-universe-advanced

You want more examples? Go look up Hugh Ross.

Now take your own advice and end yourself, you inbred. I would be extremely embarassed if I were you.

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You hang too much importance on these “constants” as a precursor.

You have not shown that any of these “constants” being a different value would prevent life from evolving.

The constants aren’t “near perfect” FOR life to evolve, life has evolved TO these constants.

It’s like a puddle marvelling that the hole in the ground it finds itself in is the “perfect” shape in order to fit it, therefore no other hole in the ground would be suitable for puddles.

It’s moronic in the extreme.
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That applies to our universe with the speed of light set to C.
Prove that in an alternate universe with a different speed of light , that those chemical reactions wouldn’t still happen, or would happen in a different way.
Protip: you can’t

So the alternate universe would have a different periodic table of elements .
Doesn’t logically follow that life wouldn’t /couldn’t exist. That’s making baseless assumptions about the hypothetical alternate universe.

Show your working, because you don’t actislly know what you’re talking about , you just got linked a science article that you barely understood

Burden of proof is on YOU, fool

With that said, look up Hugh ross. I am not going to rewatch all his videos to try to find what I'm looking for. He has articles online too.

Click the fucking link as just ONE example.

>trying to cope with the constants this hard

Talk about dogma

Lrn2burden of proof

You make the claim that life couldn’t exist in a universe with different values constants.
Prove it

1. Life is fun as fuck (unless you're or Yea Forums or simmilar sites / simmilary fucked up or diffriend but still disfunctional communities to much)
2. Achiving goals is rawarding.
3. Habits are your best friends or your worse anemies depending what you choose

> Speed of light has a low level of tolerance meaning had it just been a bit faster or slower (outside the level of tolerance), no life could exist
Bullshit just like simmilar argument that is made that if the moon was few (or few tens, or few hundreds) meters further/closer to earth then the life would not exists. Still bullshit with no real source, and I'm saying this as a Roman Catholic

It doesn’t say life couldn’t exist in an alternate universe with different values universal constants.
It says that were THIS universes constants of a different value, then star formation would have happened differently.

But even that doesn’t exclude life evolving from what ever value the fonstqnt was changed to.

You’re a fucking brainlet

There is no proof of an alternate universe to begin with jesus christ.

Also "you just got linked a science article that you barely understood"Looool what the fuck is so hard to understand about this: "changes by an amount more than about 0.01, then things will be significantly different. There cannot be any more production of carbon in stars from burning helium; In other words, we would not exist today if the value of the fine structure constant in the past was significantly different from what it is today!"

Now, you will ask "okay what about no carbon being produced from stars buring helium" and at that point I would have to re-read various articles and I am not going to do that.

Long story short, scientists agree that the universal constants needed for life exist. Call it am appeal to authority. Don't care. Don't feel like doing homework.

you're probably suicidal because you are a retard. that comment on light speed made me cringe.

Look up Hugh Ross. He does it for you. I am not going to rewatch his stuff to give a developed answer to a dogmatic person anyways

Kek.
>gets asked to explain the science article he linked
>can’t

Smug mode activated

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You are just retarded if you believe in any creationism

Retard. What's to say there are multiple universes in the first place?

What's there to say life of any kind could still occur had those different constants had different values?

You're pulling shit out of your ass.

>J-just g-google it mkay

I googled it, google said you’re retarded.
I’ll have to go with consensus on this one

I posted a source. You brainlets want even more sources. Not willing to do that.

You want to believe life could still exist had the constants been different? YOU prove that.

YOU, you Fucking retard.
YOU are saying those things.
JFC

Consensus is actually for universal constants needed for life existing, idiot.

M theory.
All possible permutations exist.

Here faggot. Even MORE evidence

"B-but you're just spamming links!!"

What the fuck else do you expect with this type of argument?

The point of the link is to show obvious constants for life to form exist. google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/ethansiegel/2015/08/22/it-takes-26-fundamental-constants-to-give-us-our-universe-but-they-still-dont-give-everything/amp/

I believe that in reality, nothing exists. We create our own reality.

Prove it

There is no point in life. No meaning. That's something you do yourself. If you want purpose you have to create a purpose. But just because there is no inherent purpose doesn't mean you have to live life being miserable.

"Theory"
I lold.

Where is the evidence of multiple universes forming?

Where is the evidence that "the creation of life" is flexible to the point where different constants could still yield life?

...

I ain’t clicking that shit nigger

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It’s hypothetical.
Look it up

Expertly sealioned, I must say

It's from forbes, fool

Where’s the evidence that a universal constant can be changed?

>Forbes
Jew

I like to think of life as being a one in a million chance of happening. Like very really rare. As the actual life though we'll never realise how rare our existence is. To us it is just living but to get here it must have took a long long long time. The conditions may have only just be barely met and we may even be the most chaotic and unlucky form of life to have resulted but in the end we are living. Take it for what it is, don't add things on top.

Okay. Spaghetti monster being our creator is hypothetical too. I guess it's logical to see it as a possibility, huh?

I really don't like your justification for Hell's and or God's existence, not an atheist but still pretty retarded logic you have there.

About the main concern I find joy in life by enjoying stories, fictional or real. Books, movies, videogames, anime, manga, comics, stories people made up and tell me, real stories, whatever. Learning about tangible or abstract concepts is also highly interesting, mathematics, science, history, philosophy, art, Listening to music, etc. As long as there's something interesting to enjoy I'll try to hang on; and do whatever the fuck (work, eat, sleep) I need to do so.
Yeah, I wish I had a girlfriend, be married in the future and with kids, but the stuff I mentioned before is what keeps me going.

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Would you like to discuss it?

Not all hypothesis are created equal, faglord

Also, the fact that you are afraid of hell tells me you think you deserve it, doesn't that mean there's an ideal to live for? To try to aim at? Why the fuck aren't you enjoying life by doing whatever the fuck your deity tells you to.

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I like the small moments. I like drinking soda after a long time of not having it. I like listing to my favorite songs on repeat, and nothing beats seeing old friends.

Your right OP life isn't what some would call fair or fun. No matter how shitty your situation, life offers more bearable moments to see you through. This is what I live for, it may sound stereotypical, but it is all I have. It brings family and friends even more meaning than the popular beliefs, and gives you a refreshing sense of calm before you die.

You mean during the big bang?

I am no physicist so I can't say. You will probably argue "well there you go! Maybe the constants were just always meant to be at the exact values they happen to be now".

You would have to assume whatever created the universes just so happen to have all the right components and exploded using just the right amount of force, etc.

Too beyond me, but you would have to assume the big bang couldn't have potentially had a weaker or stronger explosion. I find it hard to believe. I'm not sure if there's even an answer as to all the potential values the big bang explosion itself could have had.

I'll actually ask some NASA guy about that
imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/ask_astro/index.html

What makes yours so special, retard?

The only fail is the school that passed you.

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Yes, I noticed that now. I guess I better give up all my credentials. Dumbass.

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If the universal constants were different there would still be a big room for life to appear, you didn't specify how different. The universe is so vast that there might be life a quarter of a galaxy away from us that we can't even know about yet because of our limitations. And that life could be completely fucking different from what we think was possible about life.

Stop thinking we are special.

>If the universal constants were different there would still be a big room for life to appear

And you are basing this off of.... what?

If you have no bases to your thoughts, it means nothing.

Why the fuck would changing the speed of light by 1 m/s alter anything. It would change stuff but not drastically, not enough to not allow life to appear.

Look pal I'm not an atheist, but I still think it's silly for you to try to justify your beliefs this way.

Also of you are op, God might exist, but why would hell or heaven?

I tell you the same thing.

Beauty is pretty nice. Natures not bad either. Also i like food and sex. Swimming in the ocean. Learning new skills

But what is it about life that brings you down? Even if you consider it pointless what's bothering you so much? You don't have to work if you don't want to. Live homeless or survive in the wilderness. You don't have to reproduce either. You can do whatever you want including kill yourself. What do you want out of life?

1. I posted a fucking link showing an example of why life wouldn't form if the speed of light were different by about .01 in value

2. It's not silly. You just don't like reading. If you are genuinely interested in more, look up high ross and his debates along with the 2 links above I posted.
It's been a while since I last looked, but I recall a super hardcore atheist even arguing for a finely tuned universe and the way he tried to cope was by believing in the possibility in multiple universes being created.

3. "Why would hell or heaven"
This one is faith based. My belief in a creator is not faith based.

Except I do have a bases. High ross and the 2 links I posted. Huge difference.

*hugh

Some of you have never rolled something with an extremely low chance and gotten it and it shows. Are lotteries all rigged in your eyes? Just keep rolling and it will happen eventually. How is that so hard to understand for some people.

Test-ability,

Newton’s flaming laser sword.

existence itself is the manifestation of the will to live, which is an automatic instinct. so to wish death is something very demented and abnormal and unnatural. probably a projection of pride or the forced abortion of personality defects so strong that there is no other way but self termination.

If you base your thoughts of an unproven premise (miversal cinstabts of a different value would stop evolutionary processes from happening), it means you’re retarded

Phone posting faggot

>Just keep rolling and it will happen eventually. How is that so hard to understand for some people.

You're dumb, dude. It is you who fails to understand.

If you only have ONE lottery ticket, chances of winning are abysmal. The more tickets, the higher the chance of winning.

If you only have ONE unuverse (lottery ticket), the chances of "winning" are abysmal. Do you not see where I'm going with this??

faggot

Dur hur unproven premise. Yes, forbes posted the universal constants as facts but they are actually lies.
Gotcha, dogmatic clown.

Hentai and Anime

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But, provided all lottery tickets are sold (equivalent to the vast size of the universe and therefore the possibility of any single event happening), SOMEONE will win the lottery, no matter how small the odds of it happening to that individual.

Your analogy simply proves the opposite point

>Bro you're a double amputee? Fuck that shit bro walking is so good. Don't you want to enjoy a nice day in the park? Go for a swim at the beach?

>Fucking hell, learn to walk normally man what is your problem?

>Go do some jumping jacks, or head to the gym and do some heavy squats to get your strength up.

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And Forbes has proof that a universe with different universal constants would not have evolutionary processes?

Or have you fundamentally misunderstood what is being discussed ?

It’s the 2nd one

based

This.

>posted a fucking link
Your link doesn't provide the information you are referring to directly, it provides info for too many different topics, show us directly what the fuck do you mean. If you want to debate people the objective is to convince, and to convince you have to give your info accessibly.

>This one is faith based
I was asking this because op said he's afraid of hell.

>ONE unuverse
Why only one, you can't prove there's infinitely many, just like you can't prove God's existence.

>WHAT GIVES YOU MEANING
doing fun shit that I like to do
you sound like one of those cucks that gladly works 70h weeks doing overtime in two jobs because "i have no choice".
>step 1 get a comfy, fun job you like
>step 2 you'll generally already have at least $2k or saved before finishing highschool
>step 3 you'll have $10k by age 25, depending how hard you get raped by university debt (smart people just move overseas after getting their degree and just never pay it back, lmao)
>step 4 you have 50k by age 30 usually, by not even trying
>never work more than 5 days a week
>never stay a minute later than your finish time
>make social groups
>do hobbies and sports
>go camping/innawoods at least once a month, being in nature is refreshing and healthy.
>use your annual 1-2 months of paid holidays to travel to places you've always wanted to go to
>every 5 years take 6 or 12 months off and do some crazy epic adventure (hitchhike around Canada, travel through Europe, drive a van around Australia fukken whatever)
>have fun.

Honestly, the trick is being able to tell when you're in a good situation and to take advantage of it, or to know when you're being ripped off and know you can do better. Using exchange rates and ebb & flow of global markets helps too, I move from country to country depending on how strong one currency is vs another so I always make extra profit from the savings I take with me.

Sounds shite.
I would hate to be in a room with you.

No it doesn't.

You aren't understanding what you say doesn't make any bit of sense.

I'll say it again. ONE universe = ONE lottery ticket.

"provided all lottery tickets are sold"
What does that even mean? What do you mean "ALL the lottery tickets sold"? There's only ONE lottery ticket.

You're basically saying "there are 1 mil lottery tickets and if all 1 mil are sold and one has a chance of winning, then if there are a million universes, that means one was right".

That makes no sense because my example is like saying you are given one lottery ticket while the rest AREN'T sold.

>would not have evolutionary processes?

Yes. It WOULDN'T. Without those universal constants, life wouldn't exist. Those aren't RANDOM constants.

And when you’re 60, and you realise the money you accrued is meaningless and your health is deteriorating, and all your friends are dead or dying, and you’ll die regardless.
What then?

>Your link doesn't provide the information you are referring to directly, it provides info for too many different topics, show us directly what the fuck do you mean. If you want to debate people the objective is to convince, and to convince you have to give your info accessibly.

What the fucm are you talking about. See that derp picture? It's in there.

>Why only one, you can't prove there's infinitely many, just like you can't prove God's existence.

I keep having to repeat myself. Wow.
So according to you, we should be open to believe in a spaghetti monster "because it can't be disproved".

I've been in college for 6 years and I am concerned that I won't graduate. I have some basic IT skills and a job with my university's IT department. I have 20k saved up. When I fail out my family is going to disown me. What would you do if you woke up as me tomorrow? I am terrified and spend almost all day thinking about this. I can barely sleep or interact with people I feel like I'm on death row.

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Show us the fucking info fag, you keep repeating yourself, to me changing some values would make life extremely weird, but why impossible?

Well, if one universe = one lottery ticket .
And this universe contains life, because ‘I think therefore I am’, then it’s a winning lottery ticket.
Lrn 2 probability
QED

Fucking shit dude,

>life wouldn't exist
Life , ‘as we know it’, wouldn’t exist.

How retarded are you

The irony when you say "learn to probability" and you're failing this hard at it lol

That article doesn’t assert what you are asserting you retarded faggot.

Would we still get humans or other intelligent forms of life? Would we at least be able to get songle celled organisms at a minimum?

Back that up, shithead.

Wow.
An ignoramus is confused.

Highly probable.

Yes it does, retard. "...we would not exist today".

Can't read?

>There cannot be any more production of carbon in stars from burning helium.

I read your link, it doesn't prove anything, life could be silicone based for all we know, why would life be only carbon based? Because that's what we observed? On this tiny spec of dust?

>So according to you, we should be open to believe in a spaghetti monster
If you can believe in God just because of those stupid assumptions then yes, my 1.78 light year long cock could be God.
Believing in God is a spiritual experience, not a physical one.

What if that one universe is expanding and that is observable so you assume it must have contracted at some point and maybe again it expanded and so on. Eventually the right conditions for life would roll given how large of a scale we are talking about. Theres your one universe user.

You use circular reasoning of "well we exist therefore the chance of coming about is 100%"

What the fuck kind of bullshit is that?

That doesn't mean other forms of life can't appear.

1. "From what we learned". Exactly, fool. Without evidence to show the contrary, why believe it?
Should I belueve in a spaghetti monster creator just because it's possible?

2. Bullshit

Not “life could not exist in the universe”

Protip- you are not the Center of the universe.
Indeed, you are superfluous to it

Is there evidence that has ever happened? Cite a source.

Is there evidence that would result in just the righr constants given enough time? Cite a source

Exactly

The guy is saying life wouldn't exist period, you illiterate moron.

We do exist.
The odds of us existing are 100%

Problem?

You’re arguing with a different user faggot.
Stay focussed

You are saying we exist therfore we came about by chance.

Yes, that's a problem as that is circular reasoning.

Kek nothing can be proved really, but some things just make more sense when you think about them then a bunch of people think about them and if enough agree thats it really. Ever seen a court case? Damn some people..

stfu kys

I am arguing with various people, absolute idiot. Should I ignore them and only focus on you, cock sucker?

>but some things just make more sense when you think about them

So being biased and basing things on opinion rather than data. I lold

Fuck off you retarded cum stain .

If the crux of your argument falls to ‘well, why don’t you have another big bang and the we’ll see who’s right!!”
Then you’re a faggot.

We have this universe. With these constants. Postulating that different universal constants would result in a different universe is as helpful as imagining a new color.

I don't believe in shit, I'm only sure of stuff to a certain degree.
There's evidence that silicone based life would be Chemically possible, all the same process are plausible.
>Bullshit.
Oh boohoo.

>That guy is saying...
Authority bias, stop that shit, build up your own arguments and I'm not even denying that dude's words, he's completely right, but what about other forms of perfectly possible life forms.

Come at me faggot.

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You're an idiot.

You WOULD need various universes in order to eventually land on a universe that has all the correct vales needed for life. Retard.

Well I tried. Good luck doubting everything ever user save some tin foil for the rest of us.

Backwards retard.

You think life evolved and then the universe applied it’s constants in order so that life could exist.

You’re a retard.

The universal constants are a physical aspect of the universe.
They are “constants” and so do not change.

Life then evolved around these constants, because what other choice does it have?

>build your own argument

So become a physicist. Right. 1) I only mentioned what the guy said because you retardedly said they weren't supporting my point, dumbass 2) they explained how a difference in .01 = carbon wouldn't be produced from stars buring helium

In other words, no carbon based life forms.

"B-but silicon based life!"

Proof? That's what I thought.

Ditto. Good riddance

>Life then evolved around these constants, because what other choice does it have?

Fucking stupid as hell.

If the speed of light were different (outside the level of tolerance), there wouldn't be carbon based life for one thing.

Where's the fucking proof there would still be life without carbon, idiot?

Does that stop evolutionary processes from happening?

What do you think?

>Life then evolved around these constants
>stupid as hell

Accurate as hell
Ftfy

>Fucking stupid as hell
Are you saying life didn’t evolve in this universe???!

You’ve gone full retard.
Step away from the keyboard.
You never go full retard

>acc uhhh accurate as hell loool

Idiot. Where's the proof life could exist without the use of carbon?

News flash. All life is carbon based.

You can postulate all you want but wothout hard evidence, it's just faith based belief.

Reeeetaaaaaaard

I am saying if the speed of light were different, for one thing, no carbon would be created. No carbon = 0% chance of carbon based life forming.

>all life is carbon based
All life ‘on earth’ you mean.

Prove there is no life anywhere else in this universe, or that any other extraterrestrial life is also carbon based, and then I’ll concede your point.

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Riiiiiiiiggggghhhht.

So your making the claim that because earth based life forms are carbon based, other forms of life are not possible?

Why are you alive? If you came to an actual epiphany like this, then you'd be dead.

>Prove there is no life anywhere else in this universe

Burden of proof is on you to show me life could exist without carbon

Why would I believe in something with no evidence?

Yes.

No, burden of proof is on you to show that earth based carbon life forms are the only type of life form that can theoretically exist

This little fella uses fucking arsenic in it's life cycle, a fucking poison for almost all life forms, if this shit is possible why not silicone based life?
educatedearth.net/video.php?id=4396

Silicone forms very good bonds like Carbon, we have methane (CH4) but we can also have (SH4). Silicone could be a good life compound theoretically speaking.
The only problem is that silicone is oxidated into a solid, so if they breath oxigen they have to excrete all their "breath" differently but it's not crazy to think about that.

That's like saying "I believe in a spaghetii monster. Either disprove it or it's a possibility".

You can believe in soemthing with no evidence, but that's called being dogmatic (same as being religious fyi).

In the words of Carl Sagan
“Whether a statement that applies to all life on Earth will turn out to apply to all life throughout the universe.”

If it’s a choice of listening to a faggot user on 4 chan who’s demonstrably retarded, or Carl Sagan. I know who I’ll listen to

So at the end of the day... just an idea with no hard evidence AS OF YET.

I read it. Doesn't actually show life could exist without carbon. Nice try.

No it’s not.

You are making a claim that ONLY carbon based life forms can exist.

If that’s the case, then Why are SETI also searching for silica and ammonia based life forms
What proof do you possess that SETI don’t?

Huh? I don't understand the point of your comment other than to say "I won't believe you no matter what".

If you believe that the principles on earth also apply universally , then please launch yourself into space without a space suit. Then take a nice deep breath

People thought life also needs phosphorus, carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and sulfur in it's process, if you can substitute phosphorus with fucking arsenic, why not silicone for carbon?

It's a video, watch from the 3 minute mark buddy.

>searching

They can look and if they find life could exist without carbon, then I concede on the carbon argument I was making.

You aren't even making sense at this point.

>the principles on earth also apply universally

What? Are you saying I should just believe in other types of life forms "just cause"? Sorry, I'm not dogmatic like you

Yeah.
Forget changing universal constants etc. (Which is by definition utterly impossible and so a retarded premise to begin with).
Just remove the earth and all known life is fucked. No need to change physics.
99% of all life that we know of is already extinct.

If you think that such a precarious situation was the “end goal” of the entire universe, then you truly are one magical thinking retarded motherfucker

Again. No solid evidence = just an idea. I'll watch it, but that thought process of wanting actual proof won't change

Do you have a reason not to “believe”?(read as: entertain the hypothesis that life could have evolved separately on a different planetary body in an different solar system)

Are you that closed minded? (Read: retarded)

You have provided no solid evidence that you exist.
Or that the universe exists.

Burden of proof

I created the universe last Thursday.
Any evidence that the universe is older than last Thursday was put there by me in order to trick you into thinking it’s older than last Thursday.

Prove me wrong

Oh I shouldn't base thoughts on hard data according to you. Got it.

What is sufficient proof for you "that I exist". What would I need to do to prove that to you?

You can also keep claiming "hurdurr we special therefore God"

They fucking found that microbe it's not just an idea, it's a real possibility.

Honestly, I think about killing myself every day, and your post is exactly how I feel.

Fuck this stupid boring ass life I keep telling my parents life sucks I wanna do something else than study to get a job so I can afford a house so I can make babies so I can die and let them live that horrible piece of fucking shit life

Only reason I dont have a bullet in my skull or a broken neck is cause Im a fucking pussy too scared to die

I keep telling myself though If I had a gun id kill myself cause its practically painless... But guess what Im too broke to buy one off the deep web and I live in Canada... Fuck gun restrictions

Just irrefutable proof.
That’s all.

Once you've hit bottom, if you're strong enough...you realize anything is possible within the realm of this reality if you choose to be free.

For one thing, I'm not a dogmatic sheep.

I am open minded when I see "sufficient" proof. If I saw an organism "live" without being carbon based, okay. Until then, why believe it?
And I need to rewatch some videos anywaus because no carbon based life would be 1 consequence of there being a different speed of light. There could have been more. And that is just one constant.

Too vague. What is "irrefutable proof" in your eyes.

How do you propose changing a universal constant?

Why do you think they are called a “constant”

What makes you think it’s possible for them to be anything other than the value at which they are?

Changing the value of π would just result in different looking circles. It would prevent ALL SHAPES from existing

ITT Edgy teenagers

I want to kill myself because after I developed schizophrenia at age 18 I lost my friends my romantic and sexual life and the army which i was going into wont take me with a mental diagnosis. Now I work as a dishwasher at a restaraunt. Nonexistence and permanent unconsciousness would be slightly preferable. I have practiced hanging myself with a bedsheet in my closet. Its not hard. Its very doable. I just dont have strong enough of a drive to do it right now and i got put on antidepressants and receive therapy which slightly helps although i could always just say fuck it and do it. Maybe i wont maybe i will

You are 100% a dogmatic sheep, endlessly repeating some half remembered bullshit from an article you half read, that doesn’t assert what you claim it does to begin with.
And to top it off, you do so on ‘appeal to authority’.

Baabaaananas

>parroting quotes from fight club

What are you 15?

*wouldn’t

Fucking predictive text

you said go to 3min mark and I reread the blog. She didn't mention anything about carbon being substituted.

What are you talking about?

Doesn't assert what I said?

You dumbass. They said if the speed of light were different, carbon wouldn't be emitted from helium being burned. They said life wouldn't exist since we are carbon based life forms.

What the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension?

Honestly my gf. Planning on getting married.
If everything fails idk might go an hero and get a high score while I’m at it.

You assume that they can NEVER be changed no matter what because you assume the big bang could have only happened in one way. That the explosion couldn't have been faster or stronger and that the materials used to create the bug bang will always be the same.

I addressed that here My answer? I actually asked and now I wait for a response from nasa.

I never claimed they discovered a microbe that substitutes carbon you fucking retard. But she is clearly talking with emphasis about SUBSTITUTION and mentioned the six elements that are "building blocks" for every life form we know... Except that little fella of course.
Do you even understand what the fuck this implies? Substitution of any of those 6 elements is not a crazy idea. And that includes your precious carbon.

I'm sure you are no chemical expert or a biochemistry literate, neither an astrophysicists. Using the authority bias (Wich you did And it's fucking stupid but you don't seem to understand in another way) try listening to the professionals talk of a fucking microbe that substituted arsenic for phosphorus and how that opens the possibilities of life forms not based on carbon.

...

“If” light speed were different.

Light speed isn’t different.
Until you show me a different speed of light, I don’t have to listen to you, apparently.

You keep dogmatically believing that different light speeds are possible. Until you show me proof, you’re a retard.

Has there been more than one Big Bang?

Prove it

Faggot. I already explained here I'm arguing there hasn't, dumbass.

You didn’t explain anything in that post.
And you’re claiming the Big Bang could have had different universal constants.

Prove it.

The Big Bang couldn’t have stronger or weaker forces, and couldn’t have a different composition, because it’s already fucking happened, you gormless retard.

Fuck off with your magical thinking retardation.
That’s science bitches

>I never claimed they discovered a microbe that substitutes carbon you fucking retard.

Then mute point you made, ABSOLUTE IDIOT

>But she is clearly talking with emphasis about SUBSTITUTION and mentioned the six elements that are "building blocks" for every life form we know... Except that little fella of course.

She gave one example and that wasn't carbon. That's all there is too it, down syndrome cunt.

As of this moment, life not based on carbon IS NOT A THING.

That was a MUTE point.

>Do you even understand what the fuck this implies? Substitution of any of those 6 elements is not a crazy idea. And that includes your precious carbon.

She didn't say that, dumbass. She didn't mention anything ACTUALLY substituting for carbon, holy shit.

>I'm sure you are no chemical expert or a biochemistry literate, neither an astrophysicists. Using the authority bias (Wich you did And it's fucking stupid but you don't seem to understand in another way) try listening to the professionals talk of a fucking microbe that substituted arsenic for phosphorus and how that opens the possibilities of life forms not based on carbon.

She didn't show life could exist without carbon you stupid stupid idiot. I understood what she said and she didn't mention anything substituting for carbon.

>And you’re claiming the Big Bang could have had different universal constants.
>Prove it.

Dumbass. I actually sent an email to nasa I said. They have a website for inquiries.

>The Big Bang couldn’t have stronger or weaker forces, and couldn’t have a different composition, because it’s already fucking happened, you gormless retard.

Down syndtome incarnate LMAO

What you are arguing is "we came about, therefore the big bang will always result in the same universe being formed". That's basically what you just said.

Faggot. This one is for you

LMFAOO i cant imagine not having jesus.
fucking loser.
dont kys tho

Life is fun stop being a faggot that takes things so seriously

Look, idiot, for all you know, there were many possible values the big bang could have had (similar to saying there are a million lottery tickets, each representing a different type of universe).

YOU are saying ALL the lottery tickets would result in the "same" big bang. I don't believe that but since I can't find much online about this, I asked nasa.

dye

(Responding to my post to add something)
I worded that a little odd in the 2nd paragraph, but the point I'm making should be extremely easy to understand.

what keeps me going is the thought of finally crusading Jerusalem and actually holding it in the name of god

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Minute 50:43

The simple answer is that you have the realization that life is meaningless, while others truly believe that life consists of work, hobbies, family, friends, and kids.

The fear of hell should be sufficient for any true believer in the Infinite Psychopath. Barring that, as in my case, how could tomorrow and tomorrow--infinite posterity--matter to anyone if today doesn't? Nature has never fairly distributed endowments of temperament, much less of anything else, but it's a fact of life that's easy to come to terms with if a nervous temperament makes for soaring moods when one find a quiet life. What you want is the opposite--so much action that it would mangle a mind like mine.

>replacing phosphorus with arsenic

That's all that vid can be summed up with. She says there will be more research to see if (for example) carbon can eventually be replaced, but it is a "to be continued"situation. No actual evidence of carbon itself getting replaced exists AS OF YET.

>life not based on carbon IS NOT A THING.
Life based on arsenic instead of Phosphorus was not a thing either but is theoretically possible you complete moron, that's why I used this as an argument, because it makes sense to think of the possibility of a substitute of carbon, not saying it would be Silicone but it wouldn't surprise me if they discovered something like that.

>She didn't say that, dumbass.
I was taking about implications you stupid fucking cunt, read again.

>She didn't show life could exist without carbon you stupid
Implications user, fucking implications.
In another moment she even mentioned being interested in other elements of substitution when asked by one of the reporters.

The fact that they even consider the possibility should tell you something.
Stop being so fucking dense and accept the possibility of a substitute of carbon, I'm not claiming anything, I'm accepting possibilities based on facts, Wich destroys your argument for "hurdurr change values, no carbon no life" same could have been said about arsenic but look at that little fella, he used arsenic as part of his building blocks.

I mean if you're on Yea Forums trying to convince people to an hero you're going to hell anyway, whats an extra 60 years on your ETERNITY dick?
But to answer you I think most people are too stupid to do it, like yourself. Or they are just dumb enough to be happy or smart enough to do something with their lives.
Only a few people like us are just smart enough to find all the problems and too dumb or lazy to come up with meaningful solutions.

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I'm a photographer and writer. I create. Create something. It'll save or change your lives.

ITT: Half the retards bicker over who's more retarded than Shane Dawson, one fourth answers OP's question, and the last remaining faggots do the same thing as the last fourth but with memes.

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No it doesn't retard.
That one aspect (again, it's not like there is just one universal constent needed for life. This is just ONE) could be debunked. POSSIBLY as 1) not sure if there were other reasons why the particular speed of light is important other than it resulting in carbon being created 2) the carbon argument won't be debunked until it is actually proven it can be substituted

You are waaay to eager to jump the gun. I also wonder how complex organisms COULD get without carbon (even assuming it's possible). Could they ever reach a point where they gain a level of self-awareness like humans? If not, I would argue it wouldn't affect my belief on a creator.

OP is a faggot but he is right. There is no point to our existence once the human race goes extinct like all other animals because that's what we are animals the universe will continue like we were never here. If you say you live for family and friends guess what they also die an those. Emotions are abstract it's just a technique every animal developed to ensure survival and reproduce

1. I'm open to it, but as of yet, no reason to believe it's possible. If I see evidence such as how they showed phosphorus replaced with arsenic, THEN you have a point.

2. Implications don't mean shit, dogmatic clown.

3. Not good enough, clown. Showing phosphorus replaced with arsenic was good. Now they do that with carbon? Okay. Still not good enough to assume it's a thing as of yet, dumbass.

There are sad times and there are happy times I wait in the sad times for happy times to come back some time more sad than happy but other time more happy than sad, sometimes I even like sad to at night full moon fear and dread but I alive, look at It this way user this universe will last for hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of years but you only get about a hundred during which you can be alive for the rest of that time you will not exist, you will not exist for eternity but only can be alive for 100 don’t lose the 100, imagine you go to a park that is both good and bad you look at tree play with dog but also scrape your knee, after park time you can never go back to park ever park is no longer a place where you can go instead you need to stay inside for the rest of your life, wouldn’t you want to stay in park for as long as you can

bump

Because I love game's what new things their worlds have to discover and because the real purpose of reproducing is conquering the stars with our future generations, spreading our colones from one galaxy to another like an infectious disease leading to the immortality of our species.

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>This is just ONE
And all the other one's you can come up with arguments and be destroyed with possibilities again. You though about a DIFFERENT universe that has a different constant, could it still work without carbon? It's highly probable seeing the evidence already present.

>Could they ever reach a point where they gain a level of self-awareness like humans?
Hahahahahaha if silicon can form the same fucking bonds with elements as carbon just fancy looking then every other process can happen, I mentioned before that there would be a problem with respiratory systems because oxigen and silicone form a solid not a gas like carbon dioxide, so the excretion method would be different, but that's the point, I never said life would be similar,it could be totally different as que Know it, but complex life with consciousness is still theoretically not a crazy idea, highly probable actually.

* colonies
I'm also illiterate.

>hurr durr 1 univurss
yeah? the universe is god or what? oh wait hold on i know "we're all god" wow another new age jackass with his *unique* epiphany

anyway, I kinda get it, hell is scary to think about it and I get doubts too, dont wanna kms but when Im tempted for other sins

>No reason to believe it's possible.

I'm not asking you to believe, I don't believe in anything myself, not even science, but you said you accept the possibility, the you can't accept the assumption of no carbon no life, the original scientists you posted even said "LIFE AS WE KNOW IT" not all life, he didn't consider the other possibilities.

>Implications don't mean shit, dogmatic clown
A word that means the opposite of dogmatic is "open-minded" Wich I'm clearly being way more than you dumbass.

>Now they do that with carbon? Okay. Still not good enough to assume it's a thing as of yet, dumbass.
If they actually manage to show that then your argument would be completely invalid.

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>And all the other one's you can come up with arguments and be destroyed with possibilities again. You though about a DIFFERENT universe that has a different constant, could it still work without carbon? It's highly probable seeing the evidence already present.

Lol "highly probable". Evidenxe for THIS in particular hasn't been presented. Talk about wishful thinking.

>Hahahahahaha if silicon can form the same fucking bonds with elements as carbon just fancy looking then every other process can happen, I mentioned before that there would be a problem with respiratory systems because oxigen and silicone form a solid not a gas like carbon dioxide, so the excretion method would be different, but that's the point, I never said life would be similar,it could be totally different as que Know it, but complex life with consciousness is still theoretically not a crazy idea, highly probable actually.

Again with the "highly probable" crap. If it's so easy, why hasn't it been done yet? Maybe because it's not as easy as you think?

Again, this is a "to be continued" issue. As of now, evidence presented is insufficient.

1. He was talking about ALL life because he assumes all life must be carbon based and I agree until I see otherwise.

2. Okay. I will be open minded in believing in zues and the spaghetti monster even when evidence is insufficient

3. Yep. Never said otherwise. There may be more to the speed of light being important in general so that argument might not be dead, but the argument I made about "carbon being 100% essential" would be (though I'm still thinking if life can't become self-aware without it being carbon based, then it might not be a dead argument yet. On the fence with how I should see that). Also, this is just one constant out of over 180 universal constants needed for life.

At best, this would be one down, over 180 to go

>Lol "highly probable". Evidenxe for THIS in particular hasn't been presented. Talk about wishful thinking.
Your existence is highly probable to me, as mine is to you, you don't know if I exist, I don't know if you do "cogito ergo sum"

>Again with the "highly probable" crap. If it's so easy, why hasn't it been done yet?

Nothing is easy in science, they can't "do it" they have to "find it" you stupid piece of shit.

>Again, this is a "to be continued" issue. As of now, evidence presented is insufficient
Your evidence was way less empirical than mine. Your post showed what a scientist's calculation showed, mine, using the same fucking website you gave me showed scientists finding shit, going against your notion.

You delude yourself that life isn't worth living. Everyone else deluded themselves that it is.

>Your existence is highly probable to me, as mine is to you, you don't know if I exist, I don't know if you do "cogito ergo sum"

I don't see how this has to do with what you quoted.

>Nothing is easy in science, they can't "do it" they have to "find it" you stupid piece of shit.

No fucking shit, retard. Damn, you're an idiot. RESEARCH IS STILL BEING FUCKING DONE. Until I see carbon actually being substituted for, everything you believe in is mute. Deal with it.

>Your evidence was way less empirical than mine. Your post showed what a scientist's calculation showed, mine, using the same fucking website you gave me showed scientists finding shit, going against your notion.

Less empirical? What the fuck are you talking about? Show me a scientist that says a speed of light being different would have no effect in the eventual creation of carbon.

YOUR "evidence" on the other hand has literally nothing to do with carbon and it's just played around as "it possibly being replaceable".
That's not what you call empirical data, dipshit.

No one has any real evidence a god or gods exist. Until you provide me with actual evidence, and not fallacious arguments, I won't be convinced of its/there existence.

1. Everybody assumed the same about Phosphorus, and look were we are entitled cunt.

2. That's good, be open minded, just out the possibilities in order, I don't believe in God but I want to. I'm agnostic, I don't think your path will lead me to believe, it's just lure nonsense trying to find a reason to be special. I don't think we are special.

3. Yes there are many constants, way more than that number you pulled out of your ass. If I can find something that goes against your fragile agenda the so neither, try finding another constant dumbass.
I even funny you over with the same website you gave me.

How many fucking times do I have to tell you , I do not fucking believe in anything you piece of absolute trash.

If you conclusively show God exists I'll be ok with it. You on the other hand want to believe God exists. Believing is for stupid people.

My evidence had nothing to do with the speed of light but with the claim of "life needs carbon to exist" Wich I broke down to "life need specific element to exist" Wich I empirically showed is incorrect, or more accurately, scientists showed that for me..

>1. Everybody assumed the same about Phosphorus, and look were we are entitled cunt.

Doesn't FUCKING MATTER, FUCKING IDIOT.
1) entitled? Try to make sense
2) okay? What does that have to do with carbon, you utter dumbass? Here's a hint: it has NOTHING to do with carbon.

Is it possible? COULD be. I need to see ACTUAL EVIDENCE. I know I know. You would rather just have faith based beliefs.

>2. That's good, be open minded, just out the possibilities in order, I don't believe in God but I want to. I'm agnostic, I don't think your path will lead me to believe, it's just lure nonsense trying to find a reason to be special. I don't think we are special.

I don't think we're special either, dipshit. I just believe there are too many universal constants needed with just ONE chance at getting them all right. Retard.

If if if the carbon argument gets proven wrong, okay, 180 more constants to go. Either that, or evidence of multiple universes being created without limit arising.

>3. Yes there are many constants, way more than that number you pulled out of your ass. If I can find something that goes against your fragile agenda the so neither, try finding another constant dumbass.

Hugh ross used that number, not me. Wasn't pulled from my ass, down syndrome cunt.

>I even funny you over with the same website you gave me

What does that matter? That's like saying "only use sources that fit your bias". Are you that retarded?

ITT people don't know what atheism is. Athiest/Thiest is a question of belief. Agnostic/Gnostic is a question of knowledge. Everyone sane is agnostic because no one knows for sure whether or not God exists. Atheists are simply saying there isn't adequate evidence for the existence of God so we chose not believe in one.

I personally believe we are simply part of a minuscule building block of a higher dimension. But this does give life meaning. I don't know if you know how dimensions work, but every single thing that makes up a lower dimension is utilized to create the next level up.

let me explain; a point is repeated (and can be endlessly divided) to create a line, a line repeats side by side (and can endlessly divide) to create a plane, move and multiply planes to create three dimensional shapes (point), move and multiply all of those shapes in space to create time (line), then take the dimension of space time and multiply it endlessly to create a new plane. This process can repeat but for simplicity we will stop there.

Now, if you noticed, absolutely everything that makes up a lower level is utilized to create a portion of the next dimension up.

We are the same. Everything that has been and is going to be will be utilized in making a higher plane. Meaning all of our thoughts, feelings, experiences, and processing power... of every living and non living thing ever in our whole universe gets accumulated and infinitely multiplied into the next level up.

That means the point is to experience as many unique thoughts and experiences as possible. And to that end, keep the chain of evolution going. We need to evolve into smarter, more complex organisms. Things that are able to see a larger spectrum of light, process more information than our current biological limit, and experience even more complex emotions.

So, you say its pointless to survive and breed. I say evolution is telling you not to breed, because we don't need those depressed genetics of yours holding our species back. Just experience as many things as you can, come up with a unique perspective, and at last contribute to your higher dimension in that way.

Retard. So many things wrong wrong wrong about this comment but I'll jist address this.

>Believing is for stupid people.
I agree just as believing that life can be based without using carbon
>b-but implications!!!
Ya, implocations don't mean shit. You're dogmatic and don't even realize it. Clown.

>My evidence had nothing to do with the speed of light but with the claim of "life needs carbon to exist"

Holy shit I KNOW THAT

>Wich I broke down to "life need specific element to exist" Wich I empirically showed is incorrect, or more accurately, scientists showed that for me..

Retard. Scientists haven't yet shown carbon can be substituted for. What the hell are you talking about?

same lel

The speed of light already travels at different rates through different gravitational regions of space.

What that has to do with your retarded believe in Hell is anyone’s guess

>believing that life can be based without using carbon
I'm going to fucking kill you, stop saying I believe in stuff, I don't, I think that is POSSIBLE. Way more than you probably even can imagine.

>You are dogmatic

Says the dude without an open mind, making him dogmatic.

So you want to argue the speed of light isn't actually a constant..

Ask a physicist online that and see what they tell you. As for hell, that part is faith based, jackass. I said as much above. It's just that by believing in a creator, it implies you can go to hell if the creator of this universe happens to be the christian one.

>I'm going to fucking kill you, stop saying I believe in stuff, I don't, I think that is POSSIBLE. Way more than you probably even can imagine.

Ooh the word probable again. Okay. What percent? Let's hear it? It's "probable", right? HOW probable? Give me a fucking percent.

>Says the dude without an open mind, making him dogmatic.

You are an idiot. WHY should I see carbon being replaced as a possibility for life without evidence of THAT in particular?

I guess by your logic, I should see a spaghetti monster as a possibility even with no evidence.

‘Cause if you ain’t a pussy, you wouldn’t neck ya self

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I give you my answer, but first you have to understand that all these low tolerance factors are there regardless of what version of 'life' is created. Your flaw lies in thinking that life is some kind of ultimate perfection that cannot be beaten while it is just an outcome of some simple rules.

When it comes to meaning, you have to understand that there are things beyond our comprehension in this reality. There are literally rules that you cannot describe or imagine in any way as a human. This upper ceiling should give you the hint that it just doesnt make any sense to question your own life in terms of a greater meaning.

>Give me a percentage

I can't even make sure you exist and you ask me for accurate free of error numbers based on a process so volatile and impossible to fully control called thinking? It's impossible you dumb Fuck.

2. Because there was no evidence people could go to the moon but there was mathematical possibility.
There is mathematical possibility for there to be a substitute of carbon.

3. The possibility of the flying monster to be real is not zero to me, it's just very very low. On the other hand the possibility of Carbon being replaced is way higher. Don't ask me for numbers, you are asking me to quantity my fucking thought process, how stupid can you get?

I won't change your opinion but I will say this.

We don't know everything, sure there are constants in the universe but science could unveil something that throws all we know about the universe out the window. The same goes for you.

>WHAT GIVES YOU MEANING
Honestly, nothing at this point. I think I've subscribed to hedonism because most of what I do is what I want to do. If I don't feel like doing something, I don't do it. Within reason of course. I don't have a choice as to whether I should go to work, shower, eat, sleep, etc. These are things you absolutely must do. Everything else though? Learning new things? Having more hobbies? These are things I do not pursue, because I do not want to do them. For many, many years, I did do this. I was into martial arts, I learned new languages, I found new hobbies. Now I just play the vidya, browse the internet, watch TV, smoke cigars, have some kratom, that sort of stuff.

I'm not going to tell you that it's healthy, I'm not going to tell you it's ideal, I'm not even going to tell you that it's making me happier. It's just all I'm willing to do at this stage of my life.

tl;dr nothing gives me meaning. I simply go on living because of my primal instinct, my fear of death, and there possibly being a hell. What if there is one and what if killing yourself brings you punishment? Better to live the rest of your life, because it's a blink of an eye in eternity. No matter how hard it is, eternal punishment would be much, much harder. Not even a Christian or anything, just saiyan.

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>How is suicide not more common?
More common than what? It's actually extremely common. It's probably more popular among people than it is to buy a cereal box of cheerios.
News papers tend not to publish it and use a code word instead, because when people hear about suicide it tends to cause an epidemic of people to do it. That sort of thing never really made sense to me till I was in my early 20's and couldn't find a wife, sat down read in a news paper obituary about a local girl that committed suicide thought she was real pretty, was about my age. Then it sort of occurred to me women in my dating demographic would rather kill themselves than be involved in a relationship with me. Really changed my perspective a bit about a few things when I sat down and thought about it and other things. Not that it made me want to kill myself since someone else did, but rather it just seemed like a lot more appealing option when considering what to do with my life.
Also don't you ever read the news? Suicide attacks are extremely common. Everywhere. It happens simultaneously where things that get blamed for it are legal or illegal. Available or difficult to get. If anything I'd be surprised if a lot of people weren't biologically wired to suicide on some level, it's a lot more difficult to keep people alive than anything else.

>I can't even make sure you exist and you ask me for accurate free of error numbers based on a process so volatile and impossible to fully control called thinking? It's impossible you dumb Fuck.

Exactly, retard, so don't use words like "highly probable". Dipshit.

>2. Because there was no evidence people could go to the moon but there was mathematical possibility.
There is mathematical possibility for there to be a substitute of carbon.

That number being? "Duuur it's not possible to calculate". What a dumbass. Don't say "it's possible" without evidence. I welcome those scientists to try and do research, but until something conclusive arises, it isn't good enough.

>3. The possibility of the flying monster to be real is not zero to me, it's just very very low.
>to me
>to me
>to me
Want to argue like that? Okay. The possibility of life that isn't carbon based arising is "not zero to me. It's just very low".

>On the other hand the possibility of Carbon being replaced is way higher.

Nice numbers, dipshit. You can't just fucking say "the possibility is higher" without showing something quantitative. In this case, there's nothing AS OF YET making it the same as believing in a spaghetti monster as a creator.

>Don't ask me for numbers, you are asking me to quantity my fucking thought process, how stupid can you get?
Then don't use the word "probably" you mentally retarded inbred.

Yes all that is awaiting us is an endless void
But there's so much crazy shit to feel so go out and feel it

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Of course, there is something I haven't considered. What if it's a sin NOT to kill yourself and this is merely a test? What if we suffer for eternity because we lacked the courage to take the red pill and just kill ourselves? Who knows. It's not really worth dwelling on though, because whatever happens, will happen regardless. Whether I want it to or not, and I'll just have to deal with it. I suffered quite a bit in my life, so if it's eternity, then it'll just be more of the same. Whatever.

At the end of the day everything is and will be dust. You can improve the world and future of those around you with anything from care and compassion to say researching medicine. But in the end it doesn't matter. It's all going to be dust.

Lol there's no evidence for either but atleast we know a universe is a thing. If one exists, others may. Zues might exist too but we have no examples of deities or gods. So there is a probability difference you're not accounting for. One is much more believable than the other.

Jesus, I stopped reading once you mentioned reddit. Just fuck off out of my board.
It's people like you that ruined Yea Forums

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What makes "multiple universes being created" more believable than zues?
Let's hear it.

Just knowing one universe exists doesn't magically mean "multiple universes are always being created".

So no. Both are the same to me.

Intelligent beings will always have to deal with existential dread until/if they find a solution for death, at least in terms of conciousness. Especially as our culture evolves and more logical scientific ways of thinking take precedent.

>hur dur universe and life too complicated
>must be god
>must keep living after dying cause too scary

Retard. That's not my argument. My argument has to do with probability. That the chances of getting all 180 universal constants in one go is extremely unrealistic. Nice job not being able to understand anything.

I had a genuine existential crisis about half a year ago, didn't sleep and anxiously paced around my room for the entire night until sunrise. It was recommended to me that I read "man's search for meaning" by Viktor Frankl, a Holocaust survivor

It basically changed my entire outlook on life. I also completely quit video games and stopped smoking weed on a daily basis. My productivity has skyrocketed and I've been offered two record deals after spending 100% of my newfound free time on music production.

Also read "the subtle art of not giving a fuck." Very humbling self help book. Anyways, yes, life has no intrinsic meaning. Purpose is subjective and has to be determined on an individual basis. Suffering is a part of life and should be embraced because it fosters growth.

Don't waste your time sitting around being unproductive and anxious. Stop indulging in different forms of escapism (video games, television, drugs) and find your purpose.

I've ultimately enjoyed most of the experiences I've had in life. I've hated a few, but ending the possibility of future good experiences has always trumped ending present bad ones for me.

This litterally did nothing to make me want to not play video games, get drunk, pace around anxiously, or just jerk off or something. In fact are you using reverse psychology because you're some kind of atheist hedonist or something? I kind of feel like this was intended to be one of those ironic cynical things like a demotivational poster picture sort of deal.

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Spending time with those I love, and/or doing things I enjoy.

Life's short, make the most of it.

What a bunch of idiots

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The issue here is people like you are arguing backwards. Of course the variables for life are specific, we developed out of what there was to work with

>we developed out of what there was to work with

Literally addressed this above. Like 30% of this thread was me explaining that's not possible because we are carbon based life forms and then other people were saying "well even without carbon, like could still form" without proof of ANY kind.

Why mention carbon? Long story short, I cited a source which explained if the speed of light were different by .01, carbon wouldn't have been a thing in the first place.

Burden of proof is on you to show me carbon based life can exist. Not from BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS, but with actual empirical data.

Life,not "like

>Burden of proof is on you to show me carbon based life can exist

I fucked up. I meant to say life OTHER than carbon based life can exist.

just out of curiosity what do you believe then? Why do the hyper specific variables to life change anything

That was literally what most of this thread became about and I just explained it to you just now.

>Long story short, I cited a source which explained if the speed of light were different by .01, carbon wouldn't have been a thing in the first place.

I'm not trying to make you prove a negative, I'm just curious why you don't believe in a different universe with different laws of physics things couldnt have been forced to develop different

Do us a favor and kill yourself then

but it is

also citation please

Where the hell did you get the number 180 from? I'm a biologist and very curious where you got it from

IT'S ON THE THREAD
There's only so many urls that were posted.

The derp image is the one I used it in first

>different universe with different laws of physics things couldnt have been forced to develop different

Because I see no evidence of such a thing existing in the first place. Why should I believe in multiple universes being a thing? Why should I believe different universes are created without limit?

Prove it

You exist numb nuts

crossexamined.org/do-we-have-reasons-to-believe-in-gods-existence/
Point 2. Third party source and by that I couldn't find how many hugh ross himself said there were.
You can argue the "source is biased" but as long as what they say is accurate, who cares? Just look at point 2 anyways.

There were other sources that mentioned hugh ross saying "180" of the universal constants needed for life existing, but they are actually pretty hard to find.

Hugh ross has debates and has various long youtube vids. There's also this one super atheist called "kreuger" or some crap like that. He seems to be pretty popular with atheists and even he was mentioming he believes this universe looks finely tuned (which he hated) so he wanted to justify the belief of multiple universes being a thing.

ok sooo what? You're some kind of shitty softcore deist now?

Okay?

Prove that life could exist if not carbon based was what I was asking for proof for, dummy.

Pretty much until I see evidence of multiple universes being created with no limit.

Do you have no empathy or sympathy for the people whose lives are affected by familial suicide? There is so much to do and see in life, ending it at a point of mental weakness is a terrible shame for that person and all of their friends and family.

It's unlikely anyone truly qualified to talk about multi-verse theory is on Yea Forums but there are some pretty smart people out there who hypothesize its reality

Yes because it's the only way they cam justify a finely tuned universe.
I'll believe it when it becomes more of a "consensus" and when actual evidence is found. As of now, it's nothing more than an idea.

The issue with the fine tuning argument is once again you are arguing backwards. Of course life developed to match the variables it found itself in.

>we need specific variables to develop
is the same as
>fish need water therefore water was made for fish

>Of course life developed to match the variables it found itself in.

I literally addressed this countless times.

I mean half this thread is me arguing with this person about how that argument of yours is flawed since it assumes life could 1) still form even if all 180 constants were a different value outside their level of tolerances 2) assumes non-carbon based life could form

Read

Ok if life won't form in all the other scenarios, why is there life now? Even if life could only form in these conditions then of course we find ourselves here. Do you believe in aliens mate?