What are the chances of this winning in 2020? Surely Americans won't make the same mistake twice, right?

Chances are very good. He's done more for the American people and any-other has done in decades. You just need to stop believing everything the media tell you. They lie and twist the truth. If you don't believe it just watch something live then watch them report on it later. Only a fucking retard can't tell?

>gib me free stuff dammit you're all stupid if you don't want free gibs
I love seeing niggers suffer because they refuse to get a job.

The fed have a finger on his finances. He won't be on the ballot.

How much do you get paid to repeat this kind of bullshit daily. I need a job.

You mean socialist distopia

>cuts out CNN logo to imply it's a real news outlet
but for real he will almost certainly win unless the economy quickly tanks. people only care about their paycheck and 401k and shit is good right now

you ever notice retards that say this are often the dumb fucks hurt the most by reduced social services?

its odd...

I'd say they're pretty high. He's doing better than Obama by a majillion bajillion. The media keeps trying to fuck with Trump because they're scared of him.

>pic related

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Where my mexibros at

An yet I see nothing to suggest that. The economy has hit records under him, unemployment is at 3.8% talks are being had at denuclearizing one of the worlds worst dictatorships, America is making money like crazy. I really don't see what he is doing wrong. And all I hear from the left is false talking points and hollow emotions. Can you bring anything of substance to the table?

shitty troll thread, of course he is gonna win again retard

100%, abandon all hope

>Strongest economy in decades
>Record low unemployment

Doesn't seem like a mistake to me

>mistake
What now

Could you bring me back a unicorn and some spun sugar when you get back from whereeverthefuck you got those claims?

Unemployment is not the stat you should be looking at because everyone can be an Uber eats worker. More and more people struggle with dehumanizing jobs while the rich few are getting richer without doing shit.
À storm is coming and soon you will burn with your kind.

>watching something live
>then watch the report
What are you fucking stupid? Why would I watch the actual event when CNN can sum it up in five minutes while also telling me how I should feel about what happened.

Claims? How far up CNN's ass is you head? They arent claims. Those are measurable facts.

>struggle with dehumanizing jobs
You're just a faggot kid that doesn't want to work at mcdonalds but has no skills. Fuck you.

Currently, US businesses are riding high on the tax bill, but the benefits are already running out. When this happens, and we have to pay for it, the economy is going to slow rapidly. Whether this happens before or after the election will probably determine if he gets a second term.

If Trump plays his cards right like he did in the last election, he should definitely win. Unless he has a competitor who may pose a big challenge against him, then at that point, it is indeterminate.

This. Swamp is overflowing. Dude is spineless and incompetent.

>endless tendies
I CAN ONLY DREAM, OH HELL YE

It's not a guarantee, but it's very probable.

I don't think the economy is stronger than it was under bill clinton

You saying this is a proof of stupidity. I have my work, thanks and I feel great about it. I just happen to care about the other people.

I'm going to vote for whoever says they will decriminalize marijuana.

Then they should try to fucking better themselves! Just a bit of info for you, minimum wage jobs are not designed to be carriers. Seriously, If you want to earn a "livable wage" learn a fucking skill. Learn how to build, wire a house, plumbing, mechanic work, rough neck oil field work. Any damn thing different than flipping burgers and stroking your dick here on Yea Forums.

...oh...the media is "scared" of him now...

...hrm...

1) Never said I was a liberal.
2) It is kind of a waste of time explaining how the actions of presidents take time to affect the economy, unemployment, etc etc. The reality is that economic/unemployment trends show that the economy was constantly growing under Obama, and the unemployment rate was going down. The changes under Obama were for the most part positive, and Trump merely caught the tail end of them. Get back to me during the 2020 elections and see what the trends show after he has been in office for 4 years, and his actions have actually had an effect.

I make more money than you and I have banged more pussy than you. Keep voting for big corrupt daddy to build the alt-wite utopia you failed to achieve on your own you basement dwelling incel.

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This is why I focus on myself. Working on an engineering degree, will be making good money, and having a good time trying to do something that benefits Americans and the rest of the world. Meanwhile these shrubs think that having low skilled jobs is a great achievement.

If Biden runs, Trump loses. Other than that, maga 2020.

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>a criminal with dementia

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>US farmers are crippled by tariffs
>US economy has added trillions in deficits
>economic inequality continues to grow
>trade imbalance has grown
>the only people making big money are insurance and financial types
Yeah, everything is fucking awesome

America is certainly dumb enough to vote President Orange back into office in 2020. Americans love shooting themselves in the foot & the Republicans have successful convinced the poor & stupid to vote w/billionaires. Unbelievable stupid.

>666
Sorry, but you don't fool me Satan.

So you hate people that work at mcdonalds? Or you hate the idea that people need to work at mcdonalds for a mcdonalds to function?

Why talking politics is a waste of time. Most people don't know what the fuck they are talking about, so it's best to just go out and vote for what you think makes sense, and worry about your own affairs. If people want to fuck themselves over, that's their problem. Sad, but they broke it, so let them deal with it.

"Look, having nuclear – my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at M.I.T.; good genes, very good genes, O.K., very smart, the Wharton School of finance, very good, very smart – you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, O.K., if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world – it’s true! – but when you're a conservative Republican they try – oh, they do a number – that’s why I always start off: "Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune” – you know I have to give my life credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged – but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me …"

Donald Trump, 2015

wowzers that's totally believable and not a set up at all I totally believe he's genuine I used to be a trump supporter but in all seriousness we can't let him get the nuclear codes

You people aren't even worth responding to anymore.
You inhabit every political thread on Yea Forums (not organic) and even after getting BTFO by factual information, you repeat the same things.
I think the best thing to do at this point is sit by and let you morons throw shit at the walls.

Good luck, user.

>getting BTFO by factual information

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This is why we should get rid of electoral college. Yeehaws won’t have to worry about a thing.

>a set up
Is that you Dolan?

checked and confirmed

Sadly, his chances are pretty decent. Most people are desperately stupid.

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That's... Your logic? Wow.

Incumbents typically have an advantage. Democrats have a terrible field and their most moderate candidate Biden will be ignored by those more on the left. I doubt the Democrats will have unity in picking/supporting their candidate. Some will want a woman, some will want a black man, some will want things so goddam insane they will never be possible (Green New Deal shit). They're really pushing the identity politics and other things people in the middle do not care for.

So chances are Trump will get two terms. He's kept enough supporters on his side, kept some promises to attract more, and played things to make it look like he's fighting against a system (and the loudmouthed Democrats pushing for impeachment constantly played right into it). Trump should be sinking his own chances every week with some of what he says, yet he still remains better than the alternative.

>... wow
Wanna know how I know you're a faggot?

> The economy has hit records under him
The economy has more or less followed the trend line "under him", and that's not even getting to the moronic post hoc fallacy that he should deserve credit for the present economy.

>talks are being had at denuclearizing one of the worlds worst dictatorships
Um, the talks have predictably gone nowhere. Do you not follow the news?

> I really don't see what he is doing wrong.
How about the pointless trade war that's driving inflation for starters?

Jesus, anyone with a functioning brain can see the man is a an unqualified joke. So what does that say about you?

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> hurr durr all I have is insults
K

The jokes are those that think being a sniveling, flip-flopping, politician for decades makes you "qualified".
There's a reason the Constitution lists few requirements for what is needed to hold the office. Because sometimes you need someone completely new to the field.
Trump is not perfect and if anything, I'm saddened that he fell into some of the traps career politicians do. He's become in some ways like Bush and Obama were, but he is no worse than them. I have to laugh/cringe every time I hear someone say Trump is trying to act like dictator when all he has done is the same as his predecessors.

>throws insults when argument ruined
>gets insulted
>WOW YOU REALLY NEED TO INSULT ME OK I'M DONE BYE
I already knew you were a faggot but had no idea you were a bottom.

You are grossly uninformed if you cannot see what a useless president Trump has been.

Trump is unqualified not because he wasn't a career politician, but because he's a) astoundingly ignorant and b) so intellectually lazy that he can't be bothered to learn the most basic things necessary to perform his job.

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Topkek

>you are bad and dumb
>president is bad and dumb
What a great debate you're making. Really making me see the otherside as more than just insult throwing kids on a tantrum.

He's mocking him for groveling, not mocking his disability.

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What would those basic things be? Entertaining hypocrites in congress who are now against things they were for in the past? Not speaking to "bad" nations/leaders because we're supposed to hate them and not try to get improvements in diplomacy because then there's the fear of legitimizing them (even though nobody denies that the Kim Dynasty are the rulers of North Korea)
The President is supposed to lead the military, establish the presence of the United States on the world stage, make political appointments, and create general policy for congress to pass the finer details on once a bill has been made.

Call Trump ignorant or egotistical, because he is and always had been, but he's learned the system he runs now and he's been using to a competent degree. Enough to get many of the things he wanted, and much of that is thanks to his opponents who try to doomsay every little thing he does.

>What would those basic things be?
Christ, where to begin? Here's one example off the top of my head: He doesn't even understand the basic outline of what the PPACA does.
Despite the fact that he railed against Obamacare throughout his campaign, he has revealed time and time again that he doesn't understand the basics of what it is (google should help you here if you need links: look for his statements about how his own employees were unhappy with Obamacare, even though their employer-sponsored insurance didn't change after the ACA came into effect; or google his confusion about Gerber whole life insurance with health insurance.)

If you were following the disastrous failure of the AHCA in Congress, it should be clear that Trump's unwillingness to learn and lead were primary causes.

What mistake? It was Clinton or Trump.
That's a crystal clear decision.
Her Machine Had to be Stopped.
At Any Cost.
'Twas.
No regrets.
Who up to bat now? Taiwan IBM Guy, Indian Hawaiian, Cory Coffee Joke, Kamala PotRapFan, O'Roarke Fake Mexidude, Uncle Joe Perv, Bernsteinskibergpearlgoldfeldowitz?
DNC is a friggin' confedracy of clown shoes.
Get a real candidate, and let's have a race.
POTUS owns 2020 unless the dunces get sober.

cont'd
>Not speaking to "bad" nations/leaders because we're supposed to hate them and not try to get improvements in diplomacy because then there's the fear of legitimizing them (even though nobody denies that the Kim Dynasty are the rulers of North Korea)
You're missing the point. Do you remember the cringy "my button is bigger than your button" bluster? Trump is trying to take credit for defusing tensions that he alone wrought.

Now, I'm not saying the goal of denuclearizing DPRK and normalizing relations is a bad one. But Trump has extracted not even promises of improvements on denuclearization or on human rights in the talks.
This is because Trump doesn't care about details; he only cares about "the show". And he wants a Nobel Peace Prize for defusing a crisis of his own making.

He defaulted on hundreds of millions of dollars to banks and the feds did nothing.They won't do anything as long as he is President.

He lost the popular vote. He won the electoral vote.

The "Americans" chose Hilary, the electoral college chose Trump.

You say hes a criminal and somehow there isnt any evidence to put him behind bars. Poopy head

>i don't understand politics

About 40 something percent. Don't underestimate corporate Democrats ability to completely fuck everything up though.

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The president is immune to legal charges while in office for some bullshit 18th century reason.
That's why the only remedies are political, which is why he's not defending himself but holding two rallies a month.

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God damn it you're sofaking we todd it.

>About 40 something percent.
Yeah, that's about what I'd rate it. I think the odds are against him but he's got a lot of levels to control now, such as starting bullshit battles to rally the support of dumb people.

GTFO newfag.

The Electoral College is an apparatus in place for a reason.
To annihiate what the Founders studied of Athens and termed, Mischiefs-of-Faction.
It has been never questioned by GOP when DNC wins, only lately when DNC loses--
Ever since Kerry lost, and Gore lost, and Clinton lost.
Suddenly, only now, is it an abhorrent structure.
Pretty convenient, huh?
No one ever bitched when FDR was czar, or LBJ, or BJ Bill.
Yeah. No shit. Just and only NOW is it a fuckin' problem.

He has done nothing but bitch about other people lol what has he done to improve our country because he is increasing our deficit and our economy is failing plus he hasn't done nothing for employment. All he does is bitch at news media and calls it a day

Even Clinton got impeached by the House in the 90s and they can't even do that to him.

"Machine?" What machine?

Putin feared Hillary, hence helping Trump with the fake news farm. She would have followed Obama's footsteps, including a tough stance on Russia.

She herself said the he would be a Russian puppet before the media coined it.

She saw it coming from experience, the electoral college didn't, so we're wallowing in this pile of shit and are currently the laughing stock of the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's elected again, I mean.. he won the first time.

*insert generic click bait political post with far leaning left and/or right commentary to instigate argument and division*

lol, your social security is going to get cut. You're a fucking political cuck.

>helping Trump with the fake news farm

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48% of full time workers in the US make $20,000 or less. That's not a good stat for the US, no matter how many billionaires there are in the country. ever heard of the French Revolution? It can happen in the US too.

Lmao what are you talking about he is doing worse then Obama he does absolute garbage for the country all he is doing is repealing shit that was already enacted and bitching on social media about people plus Obama had a republican congress and he got more shit done through the process while trump had a republican congress and already passed the amount of executive powers Obama used

The irony of your post is astounding.

>48% of full time workers in the US make $20,000 or less.
Sauce?

I'm mocking you for being retarded, right now.

Tbh their are people who voted trump after Bernie lost so if Bernie wins which would be hard to do then is say I rather voted for socialism then some dumbass who just bitches about people and does nothing to help our country

Regard should have stayed away from guns. No way he gets elected next year when he's passed gun control.

Sauce?! Do you really need that?
minimum wage is most filled areas. Many states have some crazy low amount. Even making $15 an hr I only take home like $20k a year.

>mistake
They will with that attitude.

>voting for a failure

ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2014
Sorry, it's 38% under $20,000 and 51% under $30,000

yeah okay

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_abolition_amendment#Bayh–Celler_amendment

>machine
Her Political Machine was Bill's, which was derivative of the Ted Kennedy Machine. It was augmented by illicit corridor trafficking through Arkansas and the the whole "society-foundation" boloney to the tune of 10s of millions... Her machine was the Clinton Machine, which got it's start up cash from the Kennedy Machine remnants, which got its start up cash from bootlegging illegal intoxicants and gangsterism too. Like Kingfish did.

...I only stated the electoral college voted him in. I didn't say the system is broken.

No one said shit when G.W. Bush won the election and the same shit happened. Gore won the popular vote (barely), but G.W. won the electoral vote. No one said anything about the electoral college.

That being said, I won't be surprised if Trump wins again.

There is a very strong chance Trump will win 2020. He has effectivly fractured the democratic party causing all these crazy females to run. Each one has their own crazy group of followers. If they wont win they will become bitter and not vote / vote for Trump just to spite the fools.

Nah, I support Trump, and I know what he was doing, don't sugar coat it with lies like the politicians do. He's not a pc faggot. Fuck the bullshit.

It was exposed a long time ago. Get off 4 chan clean the cum off your keyboard and google it.

Nice one Borris, gotta make those 5 Rubbles a day huh. Buy your little bread and vodka?

Believe me: I am not a fanboy. Until they outlaw that Wilson betrayal, the Federal Reserve Act, along with the insane IRS thing FDR put into place after outlawing gold...
I think they are essentially all the same.
Errand boys for the weird fiat scam and the weird tax structure scam.
If there were a flat tax and a gold backed dollar, I reckon things would be better, and we could have sensible elections based on real stances, not fake issues.

Agreed.

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>Even making $15 an hr I only take home like $20k a year.
No it's not, I remember years ago when I made 15/hr with about 4 hours overtime every week.
I took home around 28k a year.

>It was exposed a long time ago.
Source? All I remember was some CNN reporter outside of some warehouse looking through garbage.
I don't remember that claim ever actually being verified.
Or are you referring to the 13 people utilizing facebook making pro trump propaganda and also anti Trump propaganda?
Pic related, they even started some Anti Trump rallies.

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Thanks for the sauce.

100%. He's a retard, but he's still better than anything the left is offering. Hopefully 2024 a good republican can take over or the left with take the pants off their heads and offer someone actually liberal and sensible.

it wasn't a mistake.
and yes, he is going to be the 2020 winner. are you people that stupid. do you even math? 15 an hour is 30k a year. anything less than that is what the fucking government takes. god you fuckers are stupid as hell. and how many exemptions you claim has something to do with take home. you fucking idiots are also confusing tax liability with your refund, which if you even get one means you are a piss poor tax planner. god you fuckers are stupid

>our economy is failing plus he hasn't done nothing for employment
Ahh how sweet. Retards using a computer.

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You are stupid and will always be poor.
Screencap this for posterity

>15 an hour is 30k a year. anything less than that is what the fucking government takes
Not sure if illiterate or trolling but if you look closely, you'll see that I said take home.
> you fucking idiots are also confusing tax liability with your refund
I didn't mention refunds either, maybe you linked the wrong user.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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In less than two years, his administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country. America's - so true.

notice how you ignored what i said
>anything less than that is what the fucking government takes

> not my president
> that star is not my sun
> this air is not my oxygen

4MORE YEARS

>notice how you ignored what i said
Oh, I didn't ignore it. You didn't refute a single thing I said in your response but acted as though my math was off.
How are you this stupid, user?

let's just get this down to tacks.
everyone in this thread that actually works for a living and understands how wealth is created, IE that government doesn't make you rich, knows that they are better off and getting better even more.
the rest of these fucking deadbeats, fuck them they will be expecting to milk off the rest of us forever. that's just the way it is, there has always been a bunch of fucking sponges like them that think i owe them a goddamn living

One user says 15/hr is 20k.
I say my take home pay was around 28k when I made 15/hr.
You decide to link the guy who's directly over the target with his math, respond with insults and a holier than thou attitude.
You either made a big mistake or are infinitely retarded.
I fear the latter.

hourly rate x 2000 is the basic calc for a full time job, i'm sorry if you don't understand that, your problem. anything less that you get is government taking it. and if you don't set your exemptions up properly and decide to give the government an interest free loan for 16 months, again, your problem. what exactly was i supposed to refute in your argument, that you want more money? again, not my problem

>what exactly was i supposed to refute in your argument, that you want more money?
Did you even read the conversation, user?
Holy shit you're dumb.

>I say my take home pay was around 28k when I made 15/hr.
you said that, with overtime. that's not the same thing as just 15/hr
as everyone that ever worked an hourly rate, overtime makes it something different, and also you never, ever expect overtime. with 4 hrs o/t like you said, you suddenly tuned into a 46 hr a week job assuming 1.5 o/t. and as i said, you might have had your exemptions set up differently. that makes a big difference. don't confuse take home with actual salary.

just keeps calling me dumb. hasn't addressed a damn thing i said. dude, i've worked my whole life, i've worked hourly, salary, and owned businesses and had to make payrolls. i know what for i speak

What a loaded question by a republicunt.

>you said that, with overtime. that's not the same thing as just 15/hr
>don't confuse take home with actual salary.
user, why do you think I included the word AROUND in my sentence?
Do you think I did it for fun?
It was years ago, I worked some overtime and it was around 28k, maybe a bit more maybe a bit less.
And I never included refund numbers in my post.
Nothing I stated above was wrong, I think you're just looking in the wrong direction for an argument.

Get back in your bread line, Ivan.

>just keeps calling me dumb
You are and you deserve it for linking my post an shooting your mouth off like you're some expert in doing basic fucking multiplication. LOL
>hasn't addressed a damn thing i said
Of course I have.
>dude, i've worked my whole life, i've worked hourly, salary, and owned businesses and had to make payrolls
Wow, that makes two of us. We should both be given medals, amirite retardo?
>i know what for i speak
What?

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Saying that doesn't make it true.

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i just think it's laughable how little of the tax laws and their structure you guys seem to understand. for instance, i took my federal tax liability down to zero for the past 8 years just by putting an exact amount of money in an IRA account. basically i paid myself instead of sending it to the feds to piss away. don't be pissed at me because you don't spend the effort to learn the tax laws and what you are allowed to do.

People like you are the reason why people like Trump can be president.

damn right!! anyone i don't like i should be able to send them to the gulag.
now who sounds like a russian?

Okay, now ask yourself how American do you sound? Because you sound very un-American

My wife and I are net worth around 1.5 million from real estate and she now pulls down 150K a year. Under Obama she was out of work for about 18 months. And what work we did get was his bullshit "gig economy". It's a no brainer for people that actually want to work and make something better of themselves.

no shit dude, i was throwing off on the post above mine

Got a good laugh reading this one. Trust me, you're talking out the ass so well, Trump would hire you

Not to be insensitive, but your success with your wife in real estate has very little to do with who's president from what I have studied in real estate

Good for you, is there a point?

you might want to check to be sure you are not confusing actual accomplishments with just pissing money down a rathole.

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Hmmmm...who think was him...?!!

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I made my real estate big money in 2012
Point was, under Obama i was eating into my wealth and savings just to stay alive, because there was no employment and we had to just get by. Now we are bringing down bucks, it's a worker's market. There are way more jobs than people to fill them.

What is the point of posting this quote? I don't see how it was relevant to your argument

When It's bad for the people, it's good for the democrats.
When it's good for the people, it's bad for the democrats.
word.

By the way, that's a direct quote from Trump's speech.

Every world leader at the meeting also laughed at him. He would of turned red if he wasn't permanently orange.

he's trying to make Trump look stupid by taking something that was in the context of a non telepromptered speaking engagement and putting it forth as a written quote.
ever hear obama speak without a teleprompter? he couldn't get his foot out of his mouth

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What are the chances anons will ignore Ivan's obvious cancerous bait thread? Surely user is smarter than that, right?

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Trump will win. Democrats have shitty plans

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>By the way, that's a direct quote from Trump's speech.
that's because he talks like a normal person, and he's responding to the audience like a normal person would. anytime you post only one side of a two way communication, it looks like that. Trump communicates with his audience. i know you hate that, but he does

i'm saving that, it's their whole complete platform

>My wife and I are net worth around 1.5 million from real estate and she now pulls down 150K a year. Under Obama she was out of work for about 18 months. And what work we did get was his bullshit "gig economy". It's a no brainer for people that actually want to work and make something better of themselves.

Oh Jesus. The post hoc fallacy game is strong with this user.

Here's a hint: the economy is like a huge ship that's very hard to steer with the limited tools a president has. Factors external to the president have a much greater effect.

We might start really feeling the effects of Trump's stupid trade war only during the next administration, at which time morons like you will just blame whoever is president then for their hardships.

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the god emperor doesnt lose

you mean like the stock market going up from 14k to 25k on Trump policies and basically just happiness that the job killer in chief obama was finally gone? i made a ton of money off that, and it was just because of Trump

>We might start really feeling the effects of Trump's stupid trade war only during the next administration.
examples? you guys seem to hate the trade deficit until Trump does something about it, and then it's "orange man bad"
i'm waiting for you guys to start throwing bones at a obelisk

>at which time morons like you will just blame whoever is president then for their hardships.
that's why the recession was Bush's fault even though the democrats owned congress for the last two years of his admin, right? funny how things change huh?

now thats what i call a damn lie

you know instead of complaining why not give solutions that are agreeable or do your solutions suck

Seen this thread before.

I look forward to voting for him again.

>you mean like the stock market going up from 14k to 25k on Trump policies and basically just happiness that the job killer in chief obama was finally gone? i made a ton of money off that, and it was just because of Trump

Wow. Do yourself a favor and Google "post hoc fallacy". It might just change your life.

Giving Trump credit for the stock markets' excellent performance in 2017 is as stupid as blaming him for the market disaster of 2018.

Same goes for Obama.

>job killer in chief obama

My god the stupidity.
Do you remember the Great Recession that had started months before Obama was elected?
If you blame Obama for that severe contraction just because he was inaugurated while the economy was still in a near free fall, then I don't think you can be reasoned with.

>the market disaster of 2018.
what market disaster? help yourself out, watch something beside CNN. there is no market disaster. my accounts didn't lose a penny, they went down a bit then right back up, just as the market always does. do you even market?

A puppet defending his master..

Hehe nice bait

this but not quite.
he's a retard but he's a predictable retard and the shit he does is in plain sight.
no-one liked Hillary because she's a backstabbing snake-in-the-grass

It's like drugs. I'd rather chug a bottle of whisky knowing I'm guaranteed make bad decisions, maybe get arrested and be hungover the next day than eat a mysterious pill I found on the floor not knowing if I'll trip balls or just fucking collapse and die.

> you guys seem to hate the trade deficit
Um, no. No I don't. Because unlike Trump, I know what the trade deficit is.
Trade is not the zero-sum game Trump seems to think it is.
And unfortunately, he's too lazy to listen to his economic advisors when they desperately try to disabuse him of his misconceptions about it.

>strongest economy in decades
>when most of the stock market is down 50% since last summer
>when US housing bubble is bursting or about to burst
>when the world's about to hit another 2008-style recession in the next 6~24 months
lel

>keeps sticking to his promises
>only known to outright lie in his presedency once
>all the things he does I disagree with (like pulling out of climate accord) are explainable by stupidity and really seem to be what he thinks is best for the country instead of what's best for him
>his obsessive narcissism requires that he be seen by followers as great, and this alone pushes him to actually do the best he can

So wait, what mistake was made? you mean obama?
>no backbone / can't stick to hisown values
>repeatedly lied and was caught
>kept knowingly trying to do what was best for his party not for his country
>common core
or bush?
>Idiot even when compared to the current fucktard in office
>attacked the wrong country in retaliation
>never learned a thing about his enemies, being unsure of which are sunni and which are sheite
>was "truely unconcerned" about osama, when that was the sole man behind the scenes for the attack his war was a retaliation for
>no child left behind
>there's a saying they say in texas....
or clinton?
>uhhh... hmm.... uhhh
>sold obsolete technology that really gave no true advantage to people who had historically been enemies of the nation due to being communist by nature, I guess that was a mistake..
>...
>fixed the economy and set forward a plan to stick to that would keep the economy going, that the next guy threw out the window, could have emphasized the plan's importance better, maybe?
> Found a terrorist group planning on attacking the world trade center and set up a plan to stop them ahead of time, gave the plan to the next guy, the next guy recognized "Osama BinLaden" as a family friend and threw it out thinking it was a prank, again, clinton could have better emphasized the importance maybe?
Hm, no real mistakes there either, and going further back couldn't possibly be what you're referring to

>Do you remember the Great Recession that had started months before Obama was elected?
>If you blame Obama for that severe contraction just because he was inaugurated while the economy was still in a near free fall, then I don't think you can be reasoned with.

that's why the recession was Bush's fault even though the democrats owned congress for the last two years of his admin, right? funny how things change huh?

>hat's why the recession was Bush's fault even though the democrats owned congress for the last two years of his admin, right? funny how things change huh?

What an unbelievably stupid straw man. Blaming Bush for the Great Recession is also stupid. For the same reasons.

>get back to me
Leaves no information....

Who the fuck are you calling incumbent you fucking double nigger?

just making a point that you guys will blame any president not in your party just like our guys will. the real reason all that shit went down was fed sticking their nose in the mortgage business and forcing banks to lend to people that couldn't afford houses.

>you know instead of complaining why not give solutions that are agreeable or do your solutions suck
Here's one: elect someone who understands that trade isn't a zero-sum game and therefore won't start unwinnable trade wars.

Depends on who the dems put up in the general.
Having been into politics for 25 years, based on what I've seen, no one at this time in the field of those who have declared their candidacy stands a chance of beating him.
Unemployment is down significantly. All else takes a back seat to this with Trump or any president.
whoever the dem candidate is will retain the base, but not one of them will swing Trump voters, or pick up many independents/swing voters.
If you think trade deficits don't matter, you are in for a rough 6 years.

>elect someone who understands that trade isn't a zero-sum game and therefore won't start unwinnable trade wars
democrats: "the american economy is a zero sum game."
seriously, they preach that if the poor don't get money, it's because the rich stole it from them.

> watch something beside CNN.
I don't watch TV. I read. A lot.

>there is no market disaster.
It's not 2018 anymore. The point is that the markets did poorly during 2018, as everyone who was paying attention knows.

Not sure why you're getting defensive about it. My point was that it's stupid to blame the president for most market shifts.

>just making a point that you guys will blame any president not in your party just like our guys will.

Except I just demonstrated that I don't assign blame based on party loyalty. I use facts and reason.
You should give it try.

not defensive, but when you get elected, and the market does a double nut and goes up over 60% to unprecedented highs, i would say that might be something to pay attention to, regardless of how bad you hate orange man. don't let your politics get in the way of your wallet.

You're an idiot. He makes those gestures for everyone he mocks. This is why we love him. He forces libtards to show their true nature.

Now excuse me while I refill my popcorn and watch the dems eat each other alive.

>party loyalty
no, it's loyalty to my core values. problem with the democrats is they share absolutely zero percent of my values, and the republicans share somewhere between 30 and 50 percent. that's why so many people went for Trump, he's the "not a politician" that so many people have been screaming for so long

I'm voting for him again... Unless he takes away cat girls, then I won't. Otherwise Trump 2020!

>cat girls
WTF is cat girls? i gots to know

>The folks who voted for Dubya twice.
in all fairness even if his policies were terrible the guy as a person was at least more likeable.

And I would say don't fall into lazy post hoc reasoning. The economy would have performed as well — better, in fact, because we wouldn't be feeling inflation from the idiotic trade war — if we had elected a paperweight.

And by the way, the stock market is a poor metric for determining the strength of the economy. You would do better looking at, say, real GDP growth, which has been more or less steady for several years.

gud

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Georgie was our man! Then Pennywise came to our national version of Derry and ate his goodies. Pennywise was none other than ANTIFA who traveled from the future wielding weapons inscribed with gender slurrs. Georgie never had a chance...

Kys, being alt right/republican was a meme on Yea Forums but it went over your dumb redneck fucks heads. At least it makes it easier to sort out the retards here.

Yea Forums used to be a force for good in the world, now its full of hollow salad. MAKE Yea Forums GREAT AGAIN!

More importantly:
What are the chances when Trump goes to prison for his criminal campaign and conspiracy against America, will his insane right-wing supporter start killing americans, journalists and scientists? Trump himself warned that his voters are violent radical terrorists ready to attack america

None of that is true. Stormy Daniel's? Not really a crime against America except for making us listen to it... But then that's on the dems too. They need to be beaten and flogged.

>Kys, being alt right/republican was a meme on Yea Forums but it went over your dumb redneck fucks heads. At least it makes it easier to sort out the retards here.
So much this.

Obama promised that I could keep my health plan. I now have no insurance.

> They need to be beaten and flogged.
Another insane right-wing terrorists who wants to hurt americans...

> I now have no insurance
Happens when you elect Republicans. They literally have no plan still for healthcare.

>Obama promised that I could keep my health plan. I now have no insurance.
A NEET like you can always just get on Medicaid.

Dems are not Americans, they are anti Americans preaching that America is so bad they need to change it. They have therefore changed allegiance.

Obama care took my insurance away not a republican.

You're an ignorant person my friend

There are no mistakes eurofag. Only happy accidents!

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100%

as bad as he is, the libs are absolutely fucking insane.

There already was one. Make hospital's transparent on pricing and this fixes itself.

So Republicans controlled both House and Senate and did literally nothing to get you health insurance and never will.

Bill had a recession first term and things didn't improve until the gop took over both houses in 96. Look it up.

>Happens when you elect Republicans. They literally have no plan still for healthcare.
Oh, they had a plan. It was developed at the Heritage Foundation, later enacted by Republican governor Mitt Romney in Massachusetts, and later enacted federally in 2010 as the PPACA.

Republicans were entirely for that plan until Obama endorsed it. It's all so insane.

Yep, Republicans literally went against their own plan to spite democrats, sadly the dumbfucks who vote for them don't get that.

No mistake happened. Now if Hillary won, then there would have been a mistake.

> found the alt-right republican terrorist who will start killing americans

Yep, Republicans literally went against their own plan to spite democrats, sadly the dumbfucks who vote for them don't get that.
They really don't. It's incredible.

>real GDP growth
oh yeah, that was a wealth of growth pre 2017.
>we'll pump the numbers up to 1.5% then quietly revise them down later when no one is watching.
well, i was watching

I was really hopping trump would bring some of the glitz and glamour back to the white house but the media has just taken the piss out of my celebrity president.
If i heard more stories about unsanctioned secret service parties that would be a start

my understanding of the white-house is you get free food delivered and maybe a butler

i have no respect for those bastards either. please don't confuse a conservative with a republican. one is a philosophy, the other is a political party

TRUMP WILL LOSE

/GUARANTEED

This. The whole problem with the trickle-down theory is that, when put into actual practice, it accelerates the flight of capital upward, then outward into overseas economies. The US simply becomes mediocre, more like the rest of the world, with a few very rich, a 10% middle-class, a 90% lump of absolute wage-slaves and homeless, and no rule except rule by and for whomever has the gold to lobby Congress. Yes, Virginia, there is a conspiracy, but nothing more exotic than private ownership of the legislature, and fools who worship knaves for Chief Executive.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large numbers.

Feel like we've made our mistake. All candidates are usually awful but Jesus does this bumbling idiot take the cake