Question to the older anons:

What happened?

I think it's ok if you don't have kids and ruin each others bodies.

Ha!! I was married and am now divorced.

The old joke is relevant here: instead of marrying again, I will skip all the in between bs, and simply buy a house for a woman that hates me.

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That depends on your values, user, but one thing's for sure, you'll hit about 33 and you'll have to face some real hard choices about whether you want some performance enhancing drugs. Or weedle-dee-deed.

Have you been married?

What's your story?

Really? In terms of what you can do or what you want? I've heard that the male sex drive lasts a lot longer than for women, if that makes any sense

I am 37 married with 2 children, Single was fun, being Married without kids was meaningful thought I couldnt be happier, having a wife, children being a family man is without question the best my life has ever been.

Did you get fucked in the divorce?

It does.
So around about 33, you'll be looking at viagara, cialis, or weed. Good luck.

I can only speak to my own experience so ymmv, but my libido dropped off alot after about 27yrs old. There's less sex than I had with partners in my 20's but its at least as good and frankly, more sex would kind of be an imposition on my time.

The long and short of it is that yes, there may possibly be less sex but you're likely to not care so much

How did it affect your life goals?

And you've blocked Yea Forums on netnanny.

Sounds like those are his life goals. Mine was marriage but no kids so I had a vasectomy and ny wife got to hold the little piece of the vas they cut out.

Shoot. Do the urges ever hit you, and you get rejected by your wife?

So it straight up doesn't feel like you want to have sex anymore?

And to both, what are the sexual power dynamics of marriage? Do women actually try to use it to have power over you?

Married 20 years. No ragrats. Three kiddos. Lots of ups and downs. The downs define you and make your marriage stronger if you can get through then with out resentment. Sex is up and down as well. We go on streaks 10 times a week to once every three months. Enjoy the life I have. It's hard work though. Every day you have to work on your marriage and be selfless.

Ok, so if you have other life goals (as in goals that will take serious time and effort, for a long period of time, like maybe even twenty years), would the two interfere?

if you do marry, you have to make a commitment and never question it. don't even consider an option of leaving, take it as a responsibility to make it work no matter how difficult it might be- if you do that you will most likely succeed and be very fulfilled. oh and always communicate with your wife.

Ok, question, why do marriages fail? Given that you're looking from a position of success thus far, what are your guesses?

Is it true that women become like their mother, and even more, that when you marry someone, you marry their whole family?

Yeah, being married doesn't mean having sex whenever you want. My wife likes to buy a lot of shit and she's a hard worker as a result. Sometimes we don't match up. There are many other concerns later in life, especially when you make good choices (mo money mo problems).

Well my life goals has always been to have a successful career (which I do as a software engineer), find a strong, smart, attractive women who shares my values, will support me in life and wont let me become lazy (I have a tendency to be complacent) and I have found that in my wife. And to have a children. So good.

Lets just say if I got divorced I would never get married again

How do you find a person who doesn't spend a lot of money? My bros keep getting fucked over by women who buy shit constantly

Got married at 26 divorced at 30. Slept with lots of women from 30-36. 36- now (40) been with the same girl but not married. No interest in having kids. Seems to be the best for me. Everyone is different though. It’s not all gravy but the downsides are a lot easier than I expect the downsides are with kids. Maybe the upsides are more muted without kids but I am ok with that trade.

Married 12 years, I would not do it again. The financial and comfy relationship is nice, but women lose a sex drive like crazy in ltr.

Doesn't matter if you have kids.

Are you unhappy in your marriage, or committed to it even if it isn't always good? Is there a difference?

Poor communication to start.
Not doing maintenance...i.e. make time for each other. It's easy to drift apart with kids, work ,etc... Need to be around each other. Take a getaway together. Do special things for each other. Don't expect things in return or your setting up for disappointment. And then communicate more.

Also be willing to listen without being mad about what you're hearing. Constructive criticism is meant to make you better

Yes after about 5-7 years you and wife will be less interested in each other sexually. But it’s not need to panic or do anything crazy. There are plenty of other guy’s wives that are looking for something more interesting sexually too. It all evens out. Everybody still gets some somewhere and all stays good with the 401ks

Is a long term non-marriage partnership something you would recommend?

Why wouldn't you do it again?

How do you maintain habits that leave free time for your partner?

The main problem with marriage is our current culture. Women have choices, too many choices, and no real repercussions for making bad decisions.

Life is not being happy all the time. Life can suck. Most men get this. Most women do not. So they jump at the chance to be "happy" and move on to the next guy, even if it means breaking up a family.

And if you are the dad of that family, sucks to be you. See your kids maybe 4 or 5 days a month. Your finances are wrecked so good luck starting another family, if you are that stupid.

And you can't kill yourself, since that will screw your kids heads over even more their mom's revolving door of abusive boyfriends.

Hard pass.

good lord that's depressing

As in, cheating and whatnot?

How do you fix that, in terms of a life partner? The choices part, specifically. Is there something you can do to remediate it?

So, it is true that dads get fucked over in the divorce? Do women become crazy after it?

My wife had a diarrhea fetish, but I was more interested in solid turds. No amount of counseling could help. It was irreconcilable, user.

Our society sets women up for failure. Is this the true effect of feminism?

Sounds like a load of shit ;)

Oh no I still love sex and enjoy having it. It's just that there's this period in your life as a man where sex is this all-encompassing near obsession.

Beyond this point, the crazy drive to fuck as much as possible has been replaced with a calmer drive to do things that move me towards a legacy that I can be happy with when I'm too old to do good work.

Thought experiment (hope it's apt), do you remember a time in your life, possibly before puberty, where you were super concerned with platonic friendships with other boys? Possibly, you were elated when you had a play-date or sleepover or trip to the movies or whatever and were really bummed if friends of yours went somewhere without you.

Platonic friendships are still important to you now, and you *need* them, but the gravity of them is reduced due to an innate bedrock of confidence you've developed that tells you from experience that you have value necessary to make and maintain friendships to get what you need and give in return.

Same with sex and relationships. I like it, I need it, but at some point in your continued adult development you'll stop having confidence and relationship crises if you go a little longer than usual because you'll be aware that you have that capacity and value.

Yes if you're sure you can deal with the things about that person that drive you crazy.

Not sure if I'd do it again, I love my life but interested in different things than I was 20 years ago.

You have to literally schedule time together sometimes and we actually get so far as to schedule sex if needed. Sometimes it happens naturally, other times I send her a calander notification...lol

Honestly, if I had it to do over again, I would go for an asian chick, or some other culture that gives a fuck about family and commitment. If that exists anymore.

As for divorce, yeah, you're fucked. The courts slant hard in favor of the female. You will lose the house and pay child support, maybe even alimony. Wifey gets to fuck new guys and suck off those paychecks too, while your broke ass can find no women ;)

Having new girlfriends every couple years and not paying anyone alimony. No... it’s not depressing my friend. Trust me

I would agree with this. Feminism destroys the fabric of our culture

That's a good explanation. What about the bedroom, do people have to keep inventing and changing to keep it interesting?

It’s not cheating if both husband/wife agree to do it

There is this misconception that people used to be more committed to each other or loved each other more or did something right, and it simply isn't true. Married couples didn't divorce back in the day simply because it wasn't an option. It wasn't an option legally, and it wasn't an option socially. As more and more people managed to get a divorce granted it became more and more acceptable legally and socially, so people went for it more. This wouldn't be an issue if not for 1) kids and 2) alimony.

They like to say that marriage benefitted men more back in the day, but that isn't true. Men got a wife, and they got kids... what did they actually get out of this other than that? Women got someone to provide for them, someone to take care of them, and someone they could still leave if the man could not actually provide for them (one of the rare cases where divorce was allowed). Yes, women didn't have rights to do other things but those didn't go hand in hand with marriage. In both the modern and vintage sense, women were the ones who benefitted from a marriage. The man went from having to provide for an entire family on his own in the old days, to needing to provide for at least 50% of a family now, with a huge chance that he would lose that family and the rest of his paycheck in a divorce if the woman is uninterested down the line.

Ultimately, marriage is no longer worth it simply because of Alimony. The number of divorces where the husband is forced to pay out is going down steadily, but until it hits zero it's too much of a risk for me.

What about their family, how much does that matter? Does she ever complain about sex, or is she still into it too?

I've thought about the foreign culture thing, I like what a lot of other cultures teach their women about commitment - probably why divorce rates are so low in Asian countries, though who knows if the people there are happy for it.

Fuck the courts

My experiences as a recently divorced (about a year ago) 50 year old man:
>Was married about 20 years
>Contrary to others' experience, sex life didn't really drop off. In fact, I'd say our good sex life is the main reason we stayed together as long as we did.
>Sex life was good, but we gradually came to resent the fuck out of each other for different reasons.
>Mostly we just had different values and different approaches to life that seemed to get in each others' way
>Been divorced a little over a year now
>Divorce was reasonably amicable. I mean we fought a lot, but no one tried to fuck the other over, it was just a very emotional time
>Ex and I still chat regularly and in some ways get along better now than when we were together

Biggest suggestions I would make are:
1) Make sure you both want the same things in life. Not just in big things, but in day-to-day how you live your life shit.
2) Communicate clearly what your needs and wants are.
3) know what you are willing to compromise on and what is non-negotiable, and follow through appropriately.

Sorry for the wall of text.

Do you think the courts will ever find a more even point where they can actually reason about who would be a better caretaker of the children?

The thing that happened with marriages before is that they were essentially just a sibling you could fuck. Think about it, as a kid you lived 18 years with your family and you just kept going through the struggles and living a normal life. As an adult, the idea of 'comitting' to a person like that seems impossible. Back in the day it just wasn't seen as any different: you were stuck with who you were stuck with so, like a sibling, things would just 'go back to normal' after some big fight.

She doesn't spend my money, she can spend every penny she makes as far as I care and it won't affect anything. Long as I get to have property and VR and shit. I'm an art promoter and I don't make any money, all I get is from investments.

It's worth it only if you find the right person. Can you tell her literally everything about yourself? Can you tell her all about your weird kinks and fetishes? Can you tell her about the embarrassing shit you did as a teenager? Can you cry in front of her? Would you do those things? Can she do those things with you? If yes to all, then marry her and you'll be set for life.

Nah, don't be sorry. The more information I have, the better equipped I'll be to make decisions. What were the reasons that you started to resent each other? As in, what kind of stuff - dish placement in the dishwasher vs, idk, something way bigger like purchases or whatnot

It's been 12 years for me and there are times when one or both of us will need to put in a little more effort (teasing, spending the day flirting etc), but on the other hand, sometimes she'll make me something I love to eat apropos of nothing or take care of some chore or get a gift for a relative of mine's birthday and that'll do me for incentive to fuck her for a long ass time.

Also, holiday sex has been universally brilliant, especially cold destinations oddly enough

Is it different nowadays, do you think?

Ok, so it seems like it's more along the lines of expressing interest in each other, then.

kind of yes, you will have to coexist with them on some level and please them in certain degree which will depend on the person you marry. but if they have half a brain they will live their life independently....
a person is always blend of the mother and father. mentally and physically

How do you find somebody so genuine in today's world? I've heard that women are really good at putting on fake habits and personality aspects in order to attract men for marriage, and then dumping it afterwards.

Definitely. You both need to make an effort to stay in decent shape too. That gets harder as time goes on and has worse consequences too

Ok, so then are people who cling to their family a no go, or just something to be aware of? A gal I dated seriously had that issue where she couldn't leave her family, despite hating them, or so she said. I have my suspicions about her, but long story short her dependency on them and me drove me up the wall, so it's over now.

Ooh, I do know that one. It's good for people in general to stay active - if you don't, you fuck yourself in the short and long term for both mental health and body health.

I don't have faith that the courts will be more just in terms of custody. Children tend to prefer their mothers, mothers tend to be more willing to be around, as sexist as it is feminist angle for this too.

Despite the push towards SJW politics and less rights for men, I do think that we are going to balance out in terms of alimony though. The number is already lower than people think it is (albeit not low enough) and in most cases there are rules that apply to it that makes it not last forever. At the very least a woman is not allowed to collect alimony if she remarries (though I think even moving in with another man should apply to this as well). In many cases alimony only is awarded for a short amount of time, with the idea being that the woman can support herself until she either finds another man or establishes herself properly in a career. If a marriage was short then there is likely not going to be any alimony, or very little. If the marriage was long she is more likely to get alimony, particularly if she had to take time off from her career to raise the kids. Alimony is supposed to be awarded in cases where a man is at fault, either he cheated or wanted the divorce and it would be considered unfair for the woman to struggle because she molded herself to fit his lifestyle.

Also, how do you find somebody who's mature enough not to divorce, but instead work through it? I ask because when I commit to something, I don't let up, until it's either undoable or I'm dead.

Well, yes. You couldn't divorce back then so that made them like a sibling: someone you were trapped with no matter how much you fought or argued. Nowadays you just divorce if you reach a point you are no longer happy with.

Before, you also had the option of just living mostly separate lives. Marriage used to mean a man and a woman building a life together, but they often did their own things. Women spent time with women, men with men. You see it all the time when you watch older TV shows and movies in particular, or even just read older books. The couples all gather and the men go do one thing and the women go do another.

Men and women aren't designed to socialize together. Couples struggle and burn out a lot quicker these days because we have convinced our generation that they are supposed to spend every waking moment together doing an activity, when men and women don't have all that much in common. We make jokes about it these days, its practically a meme. A man starts seeing a woman and suddenly he stops doing everything he used to love because he is expected to do something both he and the woman can enjoy... which mostly comes down to watching TV or movies together.

All those old sitcom jokes about the man being in the garage or shed all day while the woman knits or writes or reads exist for a reason

What do you think will happen in the future, when women will fairly often be the breadwinners of their family?

No reason to get the law involved. If you want to be with someone then do so. Focus on your own individuation and in your progression as an individual you'll attract women who are likely less developed I themselves but sex will come to you until you find the right one to settle down with. Just know that you create your happiness, not anyone else.

Thank you all for your replies, by the way, I've learned a lot.

This
You’re already fucking up if you getting married because “it’s time to”.

t. 40 married 10 years. Been with her for 12

I wish I could tell you bro. I got lucky and she asked me out. We've been inseparable for the last 9.5 years. I was actually planning to kill myself within a couple months before I met her. She's all that keeps me going. We're still poor as hell and life is tough but she makes my life worth it. I stay alive because I want to spend more time with her and I don't want to hurt her - she's not manipulating me or guilting me. That's the tough part: finding someone who isn't fucking you over without your knowledge. Every now and again during a relationship you need to sit back and have a long objective look at your partner and your relationship and think if they're manipulating you or something. Communicate: tell her what you want and be frank about it. Make sure she's doing the same with you.

Permanent financial partner, support, love, best friend, drinking buddy...

Marriage is pretty great but you can accomplish a lot of the same by living with an actual best friend.
There's a difference in intimacy and level of affirmation a relationship provides though. There IS a difference between fucking and making love.

I don't know man depends on you.

>when I commit to something, I don't let up, until it's either undoable or I'm dead.
Do you have any substantial proof of that? Almost every teenager thinks they could never cheat on somebody, but most of them simply haven't had their mettle tested. It's kind of like how everybody thinks they are honorable, noble, or live by some moral code, but all they mean so far is that they have lived a cushy unchallenging existence. What proof can you offer that you stick things through?

Your answer to this is actually important in answering your question by the way, I am not just being contrarian I swear.

The family thing is something that is really tough because her family is extremely overbearing. That is still the source of 99% of our tension.

As for sex. She's going through early onset menopause. So I get a lot of blow jobs and handies. She's good about still trying to satisfy me, although I miss that pussy

Some of it was over money. Some of it was over family. And tbh, lot of it had to do with old emotional scars that had never really healed. We had both treated each other shitty at various times early in our relationship and had thought we'd moved beyond those things, but the old resentments kept affecting our perception of the other. In the end, we realized that we had never really fully come to trust the other one and had sort of closed off parts of our personality in order to make it work.

>The long and short of it is that yes, there may possibly be less sex but you're likely to not care so much
Bullshit. There is less sex, I'm way older than 27, and it fucking sucks ass because my libido is barely less than when I was 15. Marriage is a faggy Christian meme to enslave you.

40% of women are already considered the breadwinners in a household run by a man and wife. As I said before I just think Alimony will applied a bit more conservatively. We have been building towards this for a while because women just work in general so dont need their husbands incomes, which is why it has gotten so low. I just think it will continue to go lower and lower until it is essentially only applied to stay at home moms.

do people really not believe it? shits literally backed by science

I'm married. sex decreased. i trust my wife and i love her. she's my best friend. still do fuck on occasion but i would like more sex. i think that's my only criticism. it's great to live with someone, share everything and have everything in common.

would i do it again? yes.

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>Marriage is pretty great but you can accomplish a lot of the same by living with an actual best friend.
Not OP, but if a close male friend wanted to commit to being together forever as 'life partners' in the sense that we support each other financially and just make plans in life together, I'd take it. It would solvea lot of my problems. I don't want to commit sexually, just emotionally and lifestyle wise.

Not who you're responding to but that reminds me of being 16 and believing that I would never lose a fight because "I'd just keep going no matter what".

Hah, having a big thick fucker pin me down and headbutt me in the face for a while sorted that out. You know, I think it should be a right of passage for every teenage boy to get his head kicked in at least once before they get to the age where their peers can do some real damage

Well then, I refer you to ymmv

Every kid should do some sort of martial art essentially, yeah. I think that would solve a lot of problems.

>No reason to get the law involved
This is terrible advice. You never know what the future holds. My wife and I aren’t sure if we want to stay together or not. We’re best friends but nothing else. We got married when we were both completely different people.

I’m getting a business off the ground that has the possibility of making a shit ton of money. She has supported me and the business while I’ve been trying to do it full time. If I end up with some ratchet in the future, my wife could get fucked out of what she deserves if we hadn’t been married this whole time. She has bankrolled the whole business.

Of course the opposite can be true with marriage too. All I’m saying is “there is no reason to marry” is bullshit.

>If pursuit of women is a goal you aren't ready to get married to anyone or even have a serious relationship
/thread

You sound like half the failure in the marriage is you but you are fine blaming her for it all.

>All I’m saying is “there is no reason to marry” is bullshit.
There is no reason to marry. You can find investors on a golf course.

Me too man. I love my wife but I honestly think the other option would be just as good if not better.
I mean fuck imagine your "life partner" catches you in bed with a woman and he high fives you the next day over it? Yeah.

My wife and I got married 3 years ago. For us, it was 110% the right decision.

We already had had a great relationship for 4 years before we got married, so we already knew how compatible we were. But getting married really helped my wife relax in some way, it was like she stopped worrying whether any given argument or fight was going to end the relationship.

We have sex all the time, that never decreased. Officially, it's an open relationship, but tbh we're both too lazy to do anything about it. And besides, no one is better at getting you off than someone who has had years to figure it out.

I think it's a great idea, but not something I will find, at least until I hit my 30s or 40s, and even then I think they would be likely to move out at a moments notice of finding the 'right girl' so it's a moot point I suppose. Even when I date a hot girl I just worry I couldn't commit to them sexually.

people’s capacity for self-delusion is virtually unlimited. incels can't get any, so they tell themselves they're better off.

sure, kid, sure. now virgins talking about being redpilled about women is "science" all of a sudden

I wouldn’t say give up the pursuit of women but for a man marriage can often just lead to losing your money to a greedy bitch. If the thought of marriage makes you happy go for it but sign a prenuptial agreement.

that doesn't work, though. how many best friends live together and make it work?

we're sexual creatures. even if we don't always have a lot of sex.

> how many best friends live together and make it work?
Define 'make it work'? We are sexual creatures, which is why I think this would work better than getting married. In this scenario I could continue to fuck with women while just living with a fellow straight male friend who just wants to build a life together as opposed to just be roommates. This is essentially what men and women do in their 20s before getting married.

I didn't pursue woman, she came to me + and she didn't take away from my personal schedule and goals. With that said, after being 10 years together, it did get stale. I mind it a little, feels shitty when some chick throws herself at me and I can't do anything about it. Still, it feels comforting knowing I'll have someone by my side when 50, 60 etc.

Married 8 years now... I'm 30 and have 2 kids. Sex life has decreased year by year to the point I only get it every couple months at this point. I just sleep around like a peice of shit to make do. Pic related... Sort of lol

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I wouldn’t say give up the pursuit of women but that’s a weird way of saying “trying to find a long term loving relationship” but for a man marriage can often just lead to losing your money to a greedy bitch. If the thought of marriage makes you happy go for it but sign a prenuptial agreement.

I imagined in what he's saying you just have girlfriends or fuck buddies on the side..

I was very happy with a gf.we got married and the honeymoon was the end of the happiness.stuck it out for the kids.worked 80hrs a week.never saw any of them awake.now broke single and the kids hate me.just jerk off.trump 2020

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I'm 26, been married since 22. The libido for me is starting to drop a wee bit but she's also pregnant with 2nd kid. Something to keep in mind, in the US atleast, you better make sure she's a good girl without a vengeance streak. If she's vengeful, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, marry her. If shit for whatever reason goes wrong, she has all the power of the law to fuck you over. OTOH if you find a sweet girl, there's nothing wrong with marriage and it can be a joyous and fulfilling thing. My wife and I at one point in our marriage endured a separation. For a brief period of time I was single again and could do as I pleased. I was fucking miserable the entire time because my wife and kid were not in my life even though I was so angry with her, I loved her nonetheless. We reconciled and are stronger for it. Remember this. Marriage is fucking hard. But the struggle makes it sweeter.

Depends on the girl. If you want a Wife go find one at Church.

>sure, kid, sure. now virgins talking about being redpilled about women is "science" all of a sudden

>mouse utopia experiment
>mate switching hypotheses
>briffault's law

im sorry you have the mental capacity of a chimp, but there is a reason for that movement

Just got married less than a year ago! So it’s still new. I’ve also already cheated on her :( so not sure how it will work out. Think she will make a great mother though!

Kek. What a dumbass. You clearly know jack shit about marriage or starting a business in the real world. I didn’t get married to find an investor dipshit. Can you read?

>we got married when we were different people

You understand she is the one who get screwed here, not me right? Stay mad faggot lol. Your bitterness might be part of your problem with successful relationships.

Satan post

This meme is scary accurate, as soon as the ring went on her finger the sex dried up fast, and there's always an excuse why she doesn't want to. Headache, period, too tired, etc.

If you aren't an idiot it's a great decision if you want to leave a legacy behind.

If you are an idiot, or don't want to leave a legacy behind then it adds little value to your life.

/thread.

for me it decreased, but so did my drive. from time to time I fuck other women, and it's just as good as it was 15 years ago.

Prenups mean nothing. Prenups only protect pre-existing assets. The point of a marriage is that you are going to have joint property. a Pre-nup can protect a house you already bought, an inheritance you see coming, or money you already have in the bank account. It won't protect you ten years later when you finally become successful and THEN she wants to leave you.

It’s only worth it if you don’t have to ask yourself is it worth it. If you don’t want to get married right now, don’t. If you gave doubt, talk to the woman you’re seeing about it. If she gives you shit about it, tell her to fuck off. If she leaves you, there’s your answer. You can pursue relationships without getting married. Just make it clear that you have goals you want to accomplish before you can even begin considering marriage. If a chick can’t respect you for that then just hit it and quit it bro. Me personally, I wouldn’t give up the pursuit, bc women can be fun. You just have to find the right ones, and that there’s the real challenge. But definitely focus on your goals my dude.

>just living with a fellow straight male friend who just wants to build a life together as opposed to just be roommates.
that's the stuff that doesn't and never will work. you need a much stronger connection to "build a life together." nobody wants to do the day-to-day grind with a buddy.

>This is essentially what men and women do in their 20s before getting married.
nigga what?

I was really hoping OP would answer this. There was a bigger point I was making in relation to marriage.

>that's the stuff that doesn't and never will work. you need a much stronger connection to "build a life together." nobody wants to do the day-to-day grind with a buddy.
Citation needed.

>Nigga what?
Roommates.

right. still won't work. if it did, don't you think a lot more people would do it?

you'd get tired of your best buddy living in your house 24/7 real quick.

I’ve been married for two years, I’m 38. I gave up on marriage in my late twenties but found a dime piece and by the third week I knew I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her. She’s smoking hot, driven, fun and can totally hang with the guys.

It’s still hard work. But it’s rewarding! I get to share the rest of my life with my best friend. We enjoy a lot of the same things; cars, guns, good beer, etc...

Find you a good woman and build a life with her. Make it last. It’s fucking worth it!

>you'll hit about 33 and you'll have to face some real hard choices

the fuck dude. i had the best sex in my 30s and im pushing 50 now. if you needed performance enhancing drugs at 33 then you should have become a trap instead. 30s is the peak of sex, not 20s or teens.

People who are naturally unhappy gravitate to movements like that. It is a self fulfilling prophecy. Hating women makes women hate you.

A lot of people do do it. Something like 50% of women and 60+% of men cheat on their significant others

>Mouse behavior
>Heavily contingent
>according to a French surgeon circa 1948 (the era of propaganda research)

You construct your own prison buddy. Why do you do this to yourself?

dont listen to the 33 viagra guy. he is a lifeless virgin trying to give bad advice. nobody who has normal health needs viagra at 33.

>Citation needed.
empirical data. how often does this work?

>Roommates.
don't "build lives together". those who claim to are gay and lying to their families and friends.

Depends on your communication of what you want to your partner. Set expectations if they are uncool with that maybe your libidos dont match.

I used to think my wife wasnt sexual because she didnt seek out sex. But once I stopped expecting her to want it and made it clear what I expect she is happy to oblige and do whatever I want I have done some twisted shit to her on camera.

>don't you think a lot more people would do it?
Quite a few do in less strict terms, but no. You're saying that just because something is a good idea people would undo hundreds of thousands of years of social engineering in one generation? Beyond that there is still the issue of still wanting kids.

You act as if people don't get tired of living with their wife but magically do living in a separate room from a friend. What are you really arguing here? You think people don't get tired of strangers as roommates, family, or their wife or their kid, but their friend that they CHOSE because they liked is where they sudden;y can't stand to live together despite most people living with friends until they find a woman to marry?

of course people cheat.

the part that doesn't work is living with a platonic lifelong partner.

Here’s my experience.
>40 yo
>Married for 6 years
>wife is hot af
>loves all kinds of dirty sex
>almost nothing is off limits
But the reality is in all other aspects of our life she is an incredible pain in the ass, and the great sex isn’t enough to outweigh the bullshit anymore.
We’re like one good fight away from getting a divorce.
I’d say she’s about a 8/10, but I would gladly trade her for a 6 that genuinely loved and cared about me

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I was just like that, I could have written that post.
until she left me.
no fucking way I am ever doing that again. rent a wife, it will be cheaper.

>I had a vasectomy because my wife cheats on me. If she ever gets pregnant it means the child was not mine. No alimony and no child support.

fixed it for ya. youre welcome.

>Heavily contingent
in what way? iirc the experiment was conducted multiple times on a smaller scale and once on a larger scale. they all ended up the same and if you take a moment to consider maslow's hierarchy of needs and think about the adaptive behavior of animals, you can make reasonable conclusions

I do not understand the thing about wives sitting at home all day and spending all their husbands money. Why would you want to leech off a hard working man you love like a p of shit? Unless you’re a devoted stay at home mother or home keeper, breakfast on the table and lunch packed for the kiddies every morning, dinner on the table every night, basic house chores and such theres no excuse to not get up and work. I suggest you guys cut off her access to your pay checks and start giving her an allowance after a few warnings. I don’t want hard working husbands being used.

>Empirical data
Literally all the time, people live with their friends indefinitely until they find a woman to settle down with.

>"Dont build lives together"
They do, often moving together as well. The problem is you are insisting that because it isn't a social norm that friends commit to each other similarly to marriage that suddenly means it could never work. So what you are saying is there is literally no evidence of this being attempted yet you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it wouldn't work, but we need evidence to suggest that it does.

You sound autistic.

again, why aren't people at least trying this? and no, virtually nobody is. nobody is planning to spend his life with a roommate.

Thread is probably dead but, married 6 months, together over 8 years (I'm 26) not much has changed, honeymoon phase was nice but like I said not much changed, I make more money, she let me put a baby in her now, now we wait and see.

This is what I think anytime I see someone talking about 5, 10, 15, or 20 years of happy marriage. It only ever seems like it is 'so far'.

>why do marriages fail?

because both sides dont want to compromise. meeting in the middle is very important. if one side tries to bend the rules then it is over.

Oh and also, we were EXACTLY like this Until about 3 years ago. Nothing happened to change our relationship, it’s just “what happens”

holy fuck. i got trips of wisdom!

Simple dont date girls who have unrealistic expectations. Modest smaller town girls are happy just to be in the city and dont give a shit about rising through the wealth ranks.

Having healthy expectations for your shared lifestyle is paramount.

You’re asking life advice from a bunch of idiots. Don’t take it seriously.

>until they find a woman to settle down with
you disproved your own point here. nobody dreams of living with a roommate until they die. it's just an arrangement of convenience
>until they find a woman to settle down with

>Why aren't people at least trying this?
Some are, it even became a sitcom meme as a result. Again, hundreds of thousands of years of social engineering as well as the desire for kids often get in the way. You're not really /that/ autistic, are you?

Sure are a lot of 40+ dudes here, which makes the amount of loli porn even more disgusting.

>trips
>wisdom
I have some bad news for you.

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>you disproved your own point here.
No I didn't, I referenced social norms.

>nobody dreams of living with a roommate until they die.
I never claimed they did. I just said it could work if two people wanted it.

>it's just an arrangement of convenience
Like a marriage?

I imagine that asexual couple actually di make this work.

Been married 4 years no regrets we support each others goals and and have a sense of humor so we get along pretty well don’t think I would have made it this far without her I say go for it if you find a friend and partner with similar goals to your own it’s not about sex and love a wife is a life partner and that stuff is just a bonus

>I would gladly trade her for a 6 that genuinely loved and cared about me

dont do that. i married a 6 thinking the same. but you better be careful. women who grew up ugly have to be surrounded by great friends and family. otherwise they become bitter and hide it until they snag someone. then all hell breaks loose. they put up a wall. make all excuses for being angry at everyone. in reality they cannot accept who they are because of what they can never have. i would trade by 6/10 wife for your 8/10 wife. at least after we have a fight i still want to fuck her. you cannot fuck a 6/10 after an argument. you just ask yourself why did i marry the ugly angry woman?

Kys pussy

Love my wife life is decent kiddos are hard work but worth it.

But goddamit if I dont miss tight pussy. Or just the excitement of being single where every night is special and exciting because anything could happen. I know exactly what will happen every night for the rest of my life sex or no sex.

Those motherfuckers invented tinder literally a month adter I started dating my now wife.

I miss that pheromone excitement of tasting someone news skin, smelling their scent. telling all your good stories to someone for the first time. seeing what they are like intimately for the first time. T

I'm just going to adopt. The laws will catch up.

>She’s smoking hot, driven, fun and can totally hang with the guys.

she can also leave you without notice.

Fucking is just fucking. Find a friend to grow old with. No one wants to face the void alone.

51 yrs old married for 29. Was worth it for me.

If I communicate personal subjects with my wife, it's all over fuckface dot com the next day. Similarly, I know personal detail about others that are none of my business. I can't communicate anything personal with her. If I do, everybody knows.

In may case, absolutely yes. Battle axe of a nag. Yes, you marry the whole family.

No sex in over 4 years. She's cheating on me though. 100% sure. The only question now is, ... is our marriage open or over?

there are other investments you can make in that regard. My boss' wife left him, his children were prepared to leave him in a nursing home when they said he had two weeks left to live, they weren't even going to come to town. I took him back to his apartment and spent 9 months just keeping him alive until he passed.

Bastard had the gall to to take his last breath an hour after I left one night.

If you marry a wrong person, it is not worth it and a huge mistake that can fuck you up forever.

If you marry the right person, you have a partner who is always on your side against the world if need be, forever.

How to tell which is which, I dont know. I only ever married the second one, so I have no data for a comparison.

If you fail to reproduce you fail to pass on your genes you fail the test of evolution.

Reproduction is success in nature.

Worst possible arrangement except for all the other options, lol. Don't expect to be compatible. Everyone has serious, significant differences. Good relationship is about managing your differences without generating to much negative feeling. Attraction fades. Sex stales. Live with it or make an arrangement or cheat. It's nobody's fault, none of it. Just how life is. Just be sure to be realistic going in. Don't blame each other for the inevitable challenges.

One of the best parts of being married is being able to be in the same room as someone for hours in complete silence and it not being awkward.

Regarding sex I’m 28 now and my wife and I have dated since I was 17...when we first got together we fucked like rabbits and now we do it maybe once every 3-4 days. Really no reason why not just sexual desire in general just feels like it summers down the older we get.

If I had to give any advice I’d say marry someone you actually like. Marriage is serious and you will be with that person everyday hopefully for the rest of your life so don’t be with someone you hate.

yeah i know. im not special.

*too much

>One of the best parts of being married is being able to be in the same room as someone for hours in complete silence and it not being awkward.

sounds like the morgue.

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Honest advice from life experience.

Marriage can be worth it, but don't do it until you're in your 30s. Know the girl for a few YEARS, get to actually know her and what she's like after the glow of the honeymoon phase is over.

While you're in your 20s, have fun, get laid, enjoy a few one night stands, spend free time in the gym getting ripped, establish yourself financially, travel, build a career.

Have kids in your 30s when you don't have the itch to leave them with the grandparents, be a mature father, by the time you're in your 40s, they're out of the little kid stage, are entering their teens and can take care of themselves for the most part. The best part about having kids is that you are raising your best friends and they'll help take care of you when they grow up and you grow old. That gives you the freedom to enjoy traveling with them when they're in their teens and you enjoy your 40s, drink with them when they're in their 20s and you're in your 50s, and enjoy grandkids when you're in your 60s and they're in their 30s.

I got married at 20, have 2 kids and am going through a (peaceful) divorce now that I'm 34. My friends that did the above advice are much happier, and those I've known who did all that and are in their 50s and 60s now say they did it right.

Nah nigger its companionship. I have a vidya TV in my living room next to my main TV so we can hang out and do separate things. Works like a champ

LOL, almost everyone starts out liking the person they marry, then life happens. Expect it.

>The test of evolution
Yeah, evolution is soooo important to me. Thanks for reminding me that taking care of someone who has no parents isn't as important as being miserable with a woman to make sure i create another person who doesn't exist yet.

Also a valid option, but they will run you off at closing time.

Well, it wasn't trips.

Yeah, I've had my shit tested. I had this calamitous fallout with a fraternity in years past that involved physical violence and testing of my morals like no other thing I've done. I stood my ground.

Your right with that attitude we dont want your genes polluting our tribe.

I know exactly what you're talking about. But boring is good. Boring is stability. You miss the highs of the single life but are aware of the lows of the single life as well. That is why you don't leave.

Liking is fine, but too low a threshold for choosing a spouse.

The tricky bit is that you want to marry someone you love, but when most of us are young enough t be looking for spouses we tend to mistake being horny as fuck for love.

i thought the 888 means trips? okay i just dubs then. dubs of wisdom.

In what way did you prove your commitment here? Fraternities aren't exactly a long term commitment.

I'll be sure to have 10 and send them to your doorstep.

She's not just "hanging" with the guys...they're hanging in in her, lol.

Dubs and rips only refer to the numbers at the very end. You do realize these numbers aren't randomly generated, they are counting our posts upwards right? So if you are counting the first three of the last 5 digits, then that means 100 people in a row got 'trips'.

Be honest, you new here?

>I have a vidya TV in my living room next to my main TV

you use a baby monitor to check on your wife who hangs in a separate room? nice.

Yep, and almost everyone starts out loving the person they marry, too. Love is not a permanent condition. Can shift, depending.

This. I feel like you just posted my life story. Met a cool girl several years younger in my late 20's hung out for 5-6 years. Got married. Still no kids but its coming.

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It's not. There are some financial advantages if you're poor but you do run the risk of losing a lot in any divorce proceedings. Stick to living together, kids, etc. Don't get legal bullshit involved in a relationship.

some would say trips or quads can be in the middle. ah well. rules.

Have you seen the vengeful thing in person?

I've thought a lot about Church girls. Are they a good bet? What do they usually entail, personality wise? Are a lot of them closet crazies?

I am not married and I won't, but I live with the same women for 8 years and we will keep living together. We already have a baby.

Marriage is just a social event with hell for men at the key today.

/thread

Wisest answer so far.

Ok, can you elaborate on this?

Indeed it is.

So I have been living with my gf for three years and we currently get along great. 2 cats, no kids, we just work and hang out at home mostly. We both are in no real rush to get married.

But everone keeps telling me how everything changes when you get married. Can someone explain how the ring on the finger turns everything upside down? A lot of my coworkers have been divorced so they’re kinda biased but they say shit goes to hell

Thank you! Do you have any advice about finding the right one?

I am with my wife for since 2013 and we have a daughter of 3 years.
Regarding sex, it is probably true, but once you have a child, and you don’t sleep well at night, and you are constantly tired, sex is not your number one priority anymore. Further you grow up as a person, also learn some new skills.
For me personally I think it has been a win, cause I am a procrastinator, but since my wife is constantly kicking my ass, I actually achieved a lot.
Also think about finances. It’s not romantic or sexy, but at the end of the day if you are together, it’s easier to pay rent or buy a property.
Most important is to keep talking to each other even though you disagree. Somehow you’ll find a way out of every situation

I was having lunch, but I did answer it. I've had my beans busted before so I know a bit about what I do when the going gets tough.

How did you find her? What is she like?

>some would say trips or quads can be in the middle
Only idiots who don't understand the intent. If quads are allowed in the middle than that means hundreds or thousands of people all got quads in a row, it defeats the purpose.

You didn't answer it. You gave some vague explanation of not backing down when something got violent, that doesn't even begin to indicate that you wouldn't want a divorce.

>a good girl without a vengeance streak. If she's vengeful, do not, I repeat, DO NOT, marry her.

this OP. listen to this. but the problem is that women are good at hiding their ugly side. you have to spend a lot of time with her and be in challenging situations to bring out her true personality. some women are genuinely good person. nothing can get them devil mad. but some will explode like a volcano and you will not know what hit you until it is too late. vengeful women dont care about repercussions of the choices they make. selfishness is their motto. they are literally the worst kind of wife and mother.

Marriage itself changes nothing. Wedding planning for a year changes things. And a kid changes everything.

Start taking to your wife more and stop being a cheating prick

Yeah, that was my guess, most dudes can make it to 55 with working dicks if they keep fit, but his libido may just be a natural downcurve

What the fuck man

Is it true that women aren't vocal at all about it? As in, they always wait for you to make the first move.

Married 15 years.
Good marriage
Good sex.
Two good kids.
Can't imagine my life without it.
But...it's not for everybody.
Requires work.
And there's always the wildcard possibility that you marry a crazy cunt.
Gotta screen for that shit.
And for good measure, here's a picture I took yesterday morning before I fucked my wife savagely and then went to work.

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Why tf did you cheat on her

>downcurve

only his penis.

It started on our wedding night, her period prevented any honeymoon fun, we've been married about a year now and I could count on one hand the amount of times we've had sex, usually she has some excuse why not whenever I try to initiate sex and she never initiates, and the few times we have she gives no concern to getting me off several of those times she's gotten off then told me to finish myself, shit sucks and if I didn't stand to lose so much I'd leave or at least have an affair.

Yeah, it seems like this is the key. But I feel like neither side can be a pushover, either... otherwise it'll feel really unfair to the one person

True, if that’s the case, get out asap

>If quads are allowed in the middle than that means hundreds or thousands of people all got quads in a row, it defeats the purpose.

but we all would be happy if that were true. ahhh. yes. quads in the middle.

This

It's not worth the stress. Western women are psychic vampires. When they finish bleeding you dry, they'll move on to the next victim. They are addicted to their emotions. Always looking to trade up. One foot always out the door. Have a child for legacy purpose when you are older and have the bitch sign an iron-clad contract. But never marry them, never trust

Have you put in efforts doing reinvention of the bedroom? How do you keep things interesting?

Unless she is the “ one” don’t do it..... if your just bored do t do it, If you get some chick pregnant and you think it’s the right thing to do don’t do it, if your trying to hide in the closet ( gay ) don’t do it. Being marrried with kids takes everything from you and out of you. Your life only revolves around them ( if your a good father and husband) I was content and bored with this chick I was dating and then I thought fuck it I’ll move in with her then she got pregnant and we got married...... we don’t share a lot of the same values or morals and that in itself is hard to deal with. Fuck everything you can all the time and don’t look back

Great ass for two kids, respect

Any advice on how to do it right?

Watch how they interact with other people and especially their family members. I've never had the misfortune of seeing it myself but I've heard from friends and seen some things externally.

Shit. How do you avoid this kind of trait stuff in a woman? Also, what's it like marrying a whole family?

All women are closet crazy. Church girls are just girls who place value on traditional values and traditional gender roles. If that's what you like, there's something to be had there. Don't expect crazy sex though because they like to wait for marriage.

Do you have stories about people who married the wrong ones? What are the wrong peoples' defining traits?

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I can't speak about marriage because I've never been married but I did just recently come out of a ltr a few weeks ago and i can share my experience.
>Same girl. 7 1/2 years
>She lived with her parents almost 2 hours away
>I had my own place for years
>She would come stay with me whenever she had time off from work and I would take care of her.
>She's very immature and kinda spoiled. Doesn't really know how to do anything for herself
>Try to get her to apply for jobs close to where I live so she can live with me because she always wanted to leave the tiny town she lived in anyway. She wouldn't apply for jobs though but got mad at me for never asking her to move in.
>Try to make plans to relocate and find good work and take her with me so we can be together.
>Every time I start to get the gears turning she bails on the plans. Says she's not ready to leave her job and she's afraid of letting me down and not being able to help me
>Finally I realize that if we're going to have a future together that I'm going to have to wait on her to be ready so I am patient
>She gets a promotion at her job and is asked to relocate. I tell her I will follow her.
>She moves at end of August. I arrive beginngin of October.
>She's got no furniture. Hasnt unpacked anything. Living out of boxes and bags.
>I get turn our place into a home. Get couch, bed, washer, dryer, kitchen appliances, shelves, etc and unpack and sort things.
>Second week of February she tells me she has a crush on some younger guy that works for her
>A couple days later she lies to me after going on a date with him and tells him she has feelings for him
>Tells me she doesn't love me the same anymore and she wants to explore feelings with this guy
>After quitting my job and selling and getting rid of most of my things so that I could move with her and support her career I'm forced to return home with nothing.
>She admits that I never did anything wrong and she isn't even sure what happened.

Sounds shitty user. You should get out of that marriage.

>But I feel like neither side can be a pushover, either.

both sides do not have to be a pushover in order to compromise. both sides have to be willing to give up something for the other. if your partner decided that the middle starts from her side of the fence then there is no compromise. you have to take action but having to do that is a total waste of time because the other person clearly does not want to compromise. if you ever meet someone who wants to marry you but does not know how to compromise, leave ASAP. they will never learn how to compromise.

Jesus, guy. Wrap it up FCS.
If I went 4 weeks without sex I'd end it.
4 years?
Come on.

>What are the wrong peoples' defining traits?

unwilling to compromise even on little things. selfishness. and terrible finances. i.e. someone who lives beyond their means.

38 yo user
Married at 28.
Divorced at 32 ( no kids)
Remarried at 36.

A marriage to a good woman is the best thing in life. Don’t listen to these mgtow faggots. I almost fell for it. I had fun in college and after. Fucked a bunch of girls so I don’t feel like I missed out on anything. But I ended up marrying one of them. That was a mistake.

After a divorce swept the rug out from under me, I met my current wife and could not be happier.

My recommendation is this:
Use a paid dating service like Match .com. (NOT tinder or bumble). It’s sounds impersonal, but if you want to find what you’re looking for you have to treat the first few dates like a job interview. Use the built in filters. Height, age, body type, political leanings, religion, education level, etc. It sounds very superficial, but it got me exactly what I was looking for... An agreeable, athletic built, 5’4, conservative, catholic, childless, red-headed college grad who wanted kids who is seven years younger than me. Two years in and She’s been a blessing. We just had our first child and I feel like I am living a dream.

Don’t give up on finding a good woman. They are out there. You don’t have to ‘go you own way’. Just be on the lookout for traits that add value. Be okay with not settling for the first thot that shows you attention. Once you are established in a career in your 30s, you hold the upper hand in the dating game. Don’t forget that.

>Don't expect crazy sex though because they like to wait for marriage.

church girls are the sluttiest women i ever met. they are closet sex maniacs.

excellent work user, respect

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>But I ended up marrying one of them. That was a mistake.

you expect us to follow your advice when you clearly make terrible decisions?

Okay, here's the deal. Drug dealing was a giant issue in my fraternity, and a decent group of my brothers were in on it together, and lied about it to everybody else in the frat. It was a cancer, but because they hadn't been caught yet, nobody tried to do anything. Well, when our house went dark (i.e. vulnerable to walk-ins by the police at ANY time), I tried to get them to quit dealing half an ounce of weed total every two weeks. Now, listen, idgaf about weed or drugs or whatever people want to do, but taking the risk for everybody else by dealing out of our vulnerable house is a fucking stupid idea and I called them on that. Long story short they honor boarded the main drug dealer and the people who tried to get him to stop dealing out of the house, and he got moved out and into a dorm. Longer story short, I have had tons of them come drunkenly up to me and try to get into a massive fight. I always put them down, calmly. Then, the retard foreigner drug dealer got deported because he got caught by the police, and I feel terrible about it, but he made his own stupid fucking choices.

Basically, I only left when they asked me to, but I didn't want to - I wanted to put the work in and heal the rift. I'm nowhere near a perfect person but I can't stand giving up like that, but it's much better than getting beat up tons of times for them being unreasonable - they escalated from me trying to get them to top being irresponsible, and I followed through and ended up getting pushed out.

This is one specific example when I've had my jimmies rustled, if you need more detail or whatever I'm happy to oblige.

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All of this after years of trying to communicate. We promised one another that if we had any sort of problems with each other that we would talk itnout rather than let it fester intonresentment. We even said that if one ofnus cheated on the other that we would try to work it out because we were meant to be together. We even had a similar conversation only a few weeks before everything fell apart. I don't know how somebody goes from "i'm so happy you're here and we're together now and we will always work itnout be togetger because we're soulmates" to "i'm afraid that i may have settled too soon and now things have changed" within only a couple weeks but it happened. I now vehemently believe in the infamous 7 year itch. We waited so long and worked so hard to finally be together and she just woke up one day and decided she didn't love me anymore. I didn't do anything wrong. And in the end after all the talk of fighting for each other and communicating it turned out that I was the only one of the two of us even trying. I was going to ask her to marry me. I just needed us to live together for at least a short while before I did. Good thing that I didn't. Now I don't know that I ever will with anybody. That shit hurt me more than anything. Actually made me physically ill. Say what you will about incels but MGTOW really does make some sense. Especially in the age of social media. Girls have an infinite well of thirsty dudes to choose from on the internet now so they don't have any reason to actually try and fight and compromise to make a relationship work when they can just cut and run to the next dude.

What is the seven year itch, please excuse my newbieness.

Have you heard of guys doing MGTOW from a really early age, and enjoying it? Thinking 20's, 30's, etc

Pretty much my story as well. Except I had a kid with her. They really don't know the meaning of happiness. They never really want to put in the work and always want the path of least resistance.

Problem is feminism, liberalism and the fact that had sex at an early age and have way too many options. We live in the attention whore/slut culture. Females dont really know how to be women anymore

I've heard that from a lot of people. Is it actually true? I know a bunch of women around me have little to no sense about a kitchen, house, or anything that requires hard manual work.

It's a psychological term used to describe a strange phenomena in relationships where they always seem to fail right around or shortly after the 7th anniversary for seemingly no reason. It seems to effect women primarily. The overwhelming majority of divorces are initiated by the woman and often after 7 years.

Are there any studies done on this kind of thing?

They have no interest in it because it isn't a deal breaker. Now, men actually do cooking and cleaning because females never really learned how to. The roles have completely reverse. Understand the only real way to get them to listen or even invest in you is to be the provider, the nurturer, the daddy, the older brother, and fuck her brains out till she only wants your fluids inside. It's hard work brother and half them are bat shit insane with some serious issues Always have the need for validation and attention. Understand we live in their society. The rules are in their favor. Be careful

Thank you for the advice!

pretty much. every girl these days has been raised to believe she's a princess. they are spoiled to the point that they become crippled as functional adults. Not to mention, as I said, because of social media and the internet there really isn't any reason to communicate and work out problems in a relationship. Just search for the next thirsty douchebag who is gonna pretend to have more in common with her than the last guy until he gives up the act and then on to the next guy and so on and so forth until she's an old lonely hag

do you not possess the internet and a search engine son?

Can only pass on what I learned from bitter tears and much sacrifice

>>what's it like marrying a whole family?
It's like hell. Intolerant of anything they don't approve of. Constantly judged. Surprise pop-in visits. Extra obligations.
I know, but if I end it, she gets the house, kids, car and I still get to pay all the bills. All the while she's fucking some other guy on my bed. Meanwhile I struggle to make rent and live on ramen and pb&j sammiches. So, I put on a smile, rub out the knuckle children, keep my mouth shut and live like a good little cuck bitch.
Don't get married anons.

>majority of divorces are initiated by the woman
Because the bitch gets EVERYTHING in the court settlement. And now that the ex is out of the way, she can bang whoever whenever she wants.

A lot although it isn't just a woman thing as suggested. Divorce rates are highest in 1st year after pregnancy, around 7 years mark, and after children all leave. It has eve been suggested this goes to paternal styles. Impregnate and move on, wait until child is self sufficient (7 years, think caveman), wait until offspring are sexually mature (think caveman)