Christianity is bullshit

>There's no reason to
Elaborate on this.

What sort of elaboration do you need? Every reason people give for accepting Christianity falls apart under scrutiny.

>Every reason people give for accepting Christianity falls apart under scrutiny.
This is a more fair statement(I'm satisfied with the elaboration).
So what do you think of my analysis of biblical teaching VS practically every christian in the world today and 1500 years back?

Do you like it?

Thats Catholicism only really. Protestant to some extent and Orthodox to a greater extent dont have a great many "rules" unless you are clergy.

All religions are bs. However, most people are foolish and left to their own vices are bad for society. Religion helps to remedy this somewhat.

>All religions are bs
Elaborate on this.
Also are you under 18 or a boomer?

I have spirituality but not religion. In my eyes religion is dogma to enslave the masses that manipulates an individuals spirituality.

I believe in divinity and experience it often but I do so without pretending that others HAVE to experience it. Not everyone is the same. So we dont experience things the same.

Its fairly simple: Love is the mechanism for giving a piece of your soul to something. Your soul is divinity solidified. You give and receive in this manner.

For instance: If you love a person, you give a piece of yourself for them to do as they please. The only people who can really hurt you are those you love. BUT the upside is simply being around those people can make your day 100 times better.

If you love to kayak or bike simply doing the thing is how you experience divinity. To be out doing what you love is divinity in my eyes. Its a moment in time and space where for you the individual everything is ok.

Tbh even explaining my person spirituality borders on religion. To me religion is antithetical to spirituality. Who can tell me what to love?

>Don't get abortions.
The bible says nothing on this, and christianity has more rules than you give it credit for. The interpretation you have of it is really redneck american.

Only came to reply to this, OP is some neckbeard interpreting the bible as he wants and bashes christians while he sits in his basement, or a troll. I'm out.

Lets get this ride started kids.
>religion
Religion is a false concept define what religion is and what it is not.
You can not do this and defend it from being challenged or getting your own behavior classified to be religion.
All you can do is special pleading on the level of "here are organizations I don't like I will name them religions all things I don't like I don''t like!".

Not him. Any religion teaches to turn away from earthly things (money, property, benis in vagina) to spiritual things (some fantasy nice place, state of mind, getting out of reincarnation circle etc.) That is the main point of any religion. And then normies cannot follow that, so there is a whole industry of lie and distortion of holy books meaning just to keep normies' cash flowing the right way. And this is bullshit.

Religion actively shuts down spiritual growth.

The only "religion" that doesnt is Buddism but if you know anything you know its hardly a religion, more of a system of teaching/thinking.

There is no religion that allows complete freedom of thought/action. You are always bound by some simple codes. Matrimony for Christianity, Kosher for Jew, Sharia for Muslim.

If you want to do things your own way you always violate something in some religion.

People should be free to feel as they feel and do as they please within objectively righteous moral limits.

>I'm out.
Oh so you will not engage me in a discussion?
Why not? Why the hit and run?

Because its surprising what levels of non statements you post to me.
>and christianity has more rules than you give it credit for
Hay maybe instead of the rest of the insults you actually post these special rules I did not mention.

>The interpretation you have of it is really redneck american
>Everything I don't like is "redneck american"

Your country is so strong, do not let others tell you otherwise. They fear you, and us - because they know we are far stronger than they, so they try to weaken us with subversion, with manipulation of the language - they will try to redefine ideas to fit their narrative. Do not even humour them. Your ideas are already defined do not let them waver.

- Do not engage with those who attempt to dissolve your language.
- Do not let them take your language.
- Do not let them take your language.
- Do not let them take your language.

Remember, they are scared. They will attempt all manner of provocation, just remember only a worm is scared of man.

Language is not political, language is not racist. Do not let them take your language, it is our means of procreating ideas, our means of sharing information without noise in the signal.
They will always try to inject noise into the information. They will always try to adapt the language.
Control the language control the ideas, control the ideas control the people.
Do not be controlled, not by anyone - but be conscious of language always - it is our fundamental gift, they know I am right because this is the same game they are playing - the only difference is that I am describing to you the rules of the game.

But OP, you are giving reasons for why CHRISTIANS, the followers of the religion are flawed, not what's wrong with the religion.

>The bible says nothing on this
While there is hardly anything on abortion in the bible you really need to check theological defenses of the problems you raise.

You see surprisingly there is a "no abortion" line in the bible. If you take one psalm one way and squint a lot.

However we are talking about practice and in practice Christians will tell you don't get abortions is one of the rules of the religion.

Its not that religion as a concept is specifically bad its just that every time its tried it ends up the same way. Like communism.

The idea that many people with shared beliefs should get together and be happy is good. The reality is it always ends up with manipulation/oppression.

On the small scale religion is great and has tons of pros like community building, free therapy/counseling, helping out those in need.

On the large scale it fucks people over by suppressing their ability to think or act as they please. Take Christianity: its a great religion, many types so you can choose your specific faith (and we give Muslims shit for 2!) but you cant have more than one wife just....because...its wrong or whatever....just lame answers like that are all you can get.

Muslims "Why cant we eat pigs" "they're gross" "But....bacon is apparently really good?"

Jews "Apparently no yeast"

And its all because reasons. Lame.

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I'm sorry your statement is hardly coherent with itself. Try writing what exactly is bullshit and how this disproves something.

Because you know if its the main part like confessions and humans are sinful there is no real problem only you not liking Christianity for no reason whatsoever.
Are you people under 18 or boomers?

This.

Its the reason Protestantism was created because Catholicism is inherently hypocritical. Preaching charity but giving all the money to the church.

Yeah... Well... That's religion for ya

Probably started with someone who had schizophrenia or something

>Buddism
Where do you get your info from?
Seriously its like some boomer from TV in here.

>Buddism
Buddism is the single most disgusting peace of trash ever invented. Its literally the most retarded suicide cult of all times.
What Buddism is:
1) life sucks
2) lets kill ourselves!
3) Oh no we can not really kill ourselves because we simply reincarnate :(
4) We can not kill ourselves this sucks :(
5) Hey if we do this super magical thing we can annihilate our souls or whatever and never reincarnate!
6) We finally can kill ourselves in this way!
What did you think "getting out of reincarnation circle" was?

You leave the karma wheel by attaining enlightenment through being virtuous. Pacifism does not imply weakness. Your understanding is thoroughly flawed.

OP you're a faggot. Stop trying so hard.

That being said. This don't matter. None of this matters.

>But OP, you are giving reasons for why CHRISTIANS, the followers of the religion are flawed, not what's wrong with the religion.
Aha I like to commend you for actually staying on the topic.
And yes you are right.

However the challenge is always to the physical existing christian in front of you and how hard he is going to not contradict himself

However you are understating the problem.
If Christians have any possession they all go to hell (hell is not really in the bible) or whatever the "not kingdom of heaven" is supposed to be (lets call it hell).

So me and every christian with property is going to hell.
If they are serious about their faith and that god exists and they follow gods law and not their own sinful nature they must change and sell all their property.

Instead they will try to twist the bible to their own practices this creates a systemic problem.

If Christians twist the bible to support their own believes why should anyone believes what they have to say since they quite literally have a book they violate and it tells them they are going to hell for their sins.

And this is no confessional sin forgiveness magic the text quite literally tells them they are going to hell if they have money
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
What part of this don't they understand? You have money = You go to hell.

This destroys the credibility of the christian who is talking to you since he must say everything written in the bible is true and must be obeyed and at the same time is engaging in mental gymnastics because he does not want to obey gods law.

Quite a contradiction we have here.
The solution is simple like to gay christian stop obeying gay or stop calling yourself a christian the choice is yours.
So stop having property/money or stop calling yourself a christian.

There are other problems form this.

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No it doesn't. Jesus said that to a man that wanted to follow him around that was rich. To show that material wealth matters to other people.

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I stop you here.
You don't get it there are no religions in the world. because the concept is perfectly meaningless.

Define the concept and defend it.

Extra bonus for your friends:
>but you cant have more than one wife just.
WRONG! The bible says nothing about how many wifes you can have and in the OT there are people with multiple wifes.

Its funny how many christian practices are simply things they took from other cultures the one wife thing is from Rome.

And its surprising to challenge them on this. Ask them to show in the bible where it says you can only have one wife.

Its literally not in there. Something some Christians decided to realize and talk about and yes there where or even are Christians who practice polygamy see Mormons.

Shit for brains. Specific directions to specific person for specific reason. May the Lord open your eyes, shit-for-brains.

Try tribes and schizophrenics thinking bushes talk to them. Or was it also drugs (burning bush some fumes make you hallucinate)

Probably a bit of both

>Protestantism
Want to know the fun part?
Luther literally removed books out of the bible because he hated what these books where telling him about infant baptism.

So to be protestant and think only 66 books (ha 66 its like 666 funny) are canon you must believe Luther was god.

Fun fact Catholics have more books in their bibles because all protestants copy Luther's ideas and only accept the books Luther decided are canon.
On his own.
Based on his fruity feeling of what god really meant to say about infant baptism.

You can not make this shit up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible
>Christian Bibles range from the 73 books of the Catholic Church canon, the 66 books of the canon of some
73 if you are catholic
66 if you think Luther is god (7 books removed!).

Nice attempt of spin doctoring.
Yet the text nowhere says this however try to square it with The story of Ananias and Sapphira
biblehub.com/bsb/acts/5.htm

Try damage controlling this, no theologian can do this. The bible paints a picture of you must not have any possessions to all Christians (see practically everything in acts).

You know the story of actual Christians living christian lives after the death of Christ?

I mean this is not a single incident like with masturbation where you can interpret the story in different ways (was it masturbating or disobeying god that was wrong?)

And if you take all these stories the picture is clear all Christians must not have property.

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Listen, O.P.: It is the belief in Jesus Christ and only in Jesus Christ that we are saved.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy and lived and died a perfect sinless life in place of our Sin so we could be saved.
He lived, died, and rose from the dead to take our Sins away so that we can live with Him and Father God in the New Jerusalem on earth.

>This is quite simple the NT (more on this later) makes it absolutely clear that to get to heaven you need to give everything you own away.
it's not necessary but recommended
it's why there are monasteries that allows guests

Are you a Buddhist?

>You leave the karma wheel
Why do I want this?
No actually answer this to me.

And the answer to this is only because life is suffering and suffering is bad.
And this is a standard Buddhist line.
So its a retarded suicide cult only you must super magically kill your soul because killing your body only will reincarnate you.

And this is ignoring the fact that Buddhism/Hinduism is literally the easiest to disprove peace of shit ever invented.

Reincarnation is fake you retards!
Or prove it real!
Bring it on if no one remembers these past lives then they are fake!

No reincarnation no karma wheel.
Buddhism/Hinduism belong in the trash because of how easy they are to disprove.

No one who was not indoctrinated into this reincarnation shit has any past lives experiences.

Its all the most fake shit ever.
You have no idea why karma and reincarnation where made up, hint its to control the population. Reincarnation is literally a retarded way to control people. oh and its socially toxic in the extreme.

See:
Thank you for playing next time try not to contradict the bible while speaking to me.

Oh and ad social control.

Plus, all of that you showed us is to prove that we can not save ourselves.
Just believe in Jesus Christ.

k.
only you are literally contradicting what Jesus did say and the bible.
once more what part of:
biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm
> go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me

and
biblehub.com/mark/10-25.htm
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God

Don't you understand? Hint these are things Jesus did actually say.
He did never say some
>He lived, died, and rose from the dead to take our Sins away so that we can live with Him and Father God in the New Jerusalem on earth.
Or respond with bible quotations to me.

Won't the person I sell it to go to hell then?

I am not a Buddhist. A man with no faith will never understand the worth of belief. You're understanding is poor and simplistic, fuelled by your desire to be correct. I pity you. If your faith is governed by evidence, then it is not faith.

If you don't obey god you are going to hell.
once more what part of:
biblehub.com/matthew/19-21.htm
> go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me

and
biblehub.com/mark/10-25.htm
>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God

Don't you understand? Hint these are things Jesus did actually say.
These are actually orders to you from Jesus written in the Bible.

yeah, religion is basically a bunch of people sharing values / delusions to form a very broad unclear st of expectations and ideals. Doesn't really matter exactly what the bible says. They'll cherry pick, and block out inconsistencies. Unfortunately, this just seems to be what many people do, not only with religion, but a lot of things, like politics. People are so full of inconsistencies.

>faith
HAHAHAHAHA
oh I have to laugh at this.
There is so much wrong with your statements.
Educate yourself

You spout nonsense.
Your statements make no sense.

Faith is literally uncertainty so rewrite your line of nonsense.

>I am not a Buddhist. A man with no uncertainty will never understand the worth of uncertainty. You're understanding is poor and simplistic, fuelled by your desire to be correct. I pity you. If your uncertainty is governed by evidence, then it is not uncertainty.

You need to learn precise thinking.
Basically start thinking
youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI

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>yeah, religion is basically a bunch of people sharing values / delusions to form a very broad unclear st of expectations and ideals
This describes anything from community to society and includes every organization in existence.

Religions don't exist.

>Faith
>complete trust or confidence in someone or something

You couldn't even attempt to fathom my words, it is understandable. I have no desire to convert you. You are an undesirable human.

>youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
absolute kek

>turn the other cheek
>forgiveness

I never said I was christian, just that I am not Buddhist.

FYI I also love to correct and ridicule Christians for their idiotic vocabulary you are not my brother/sister or show the DNA tests. You are not my father or show the DNA tests.
God is not my father or he can show the DNA test to prove it.
Because I did not grow up with any of you jokers I don't know you.

And I know how retarded the words of Jesus/God in the bible are. This is why he is so stupid.

>Faith
>complete trust or confidence in someone or something
Next time try thinking before writing nonsense.

Lets use this in a statement
I don't know my wife did not cheat on me I have only faith she did not.
Or simply
I have faith my wife did not cheat on me.
The word
>complete trust or confidence in someone or something
is not applicable.

There are only 2 things absolute confidence in things you know like holding a pen in your hand and knowing you have a pen and degrees of probability or uncertainty removed from truth or knowledge.

No one will say "I have faith the pen in my hand is really there" .

topkek tbh

>absolute kek
I mean its a fast demonstration of why Christianity is bullshit. Why don't you use the same standards to god and prayer like you do to all other things?

Simple and easy, I can equally say my table created the universe only it will not show itself to you because you must believe it on faith.

All there is to Christianity are stupid people, people who talk to themselves(prayer), schizos and money grabbing con man.

Also look into Russell's teapot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

If he is Catholic he can nullify this with 3 Hail Merrys in the confessional.
youtube.com/watch?v=uEBb2NwdEpI

Sin absolution is cheap in these times.

I understand what you are saying, but you do not understand me. You are an undesirable.

Did you miss out on the summer of atheism? it was all over the place in like 2006~2009 around the time the god delusion was published.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Delusion

>but you do not understand me
This is because your statements are limited and you lack the verbal and possibly mental skills to formulate any form of a coherent statement.
And quite definitely you are incapable of engaging in a debate or any form of intellectual exchange.

Ask yourselves what is wrong with spending eternity in hell well I'm told it's rather hot there for one, Yet Christianity is not offering an alternative view of morality, the whole point of Christianity or so it is imagined is to safeguard the eternal well-being of human souls. Now happily, there's absolutely no evidence that the Christian hell exists and I think we should look at the consequences of believing in this theistic framework, in this world and what these moral underpinnings actually would be. Nine million children die every year before they reach the age of five, picture an Asian tsunami of the sort we saw in 2004 that killed a quarter of a million people. One of those every ten days killing children only under the age of five, okay, it's 24,000 children a day, a thousand an hour, 17 or so a minute that means before I can get to the end of this sentence some few children very likely will have died in terror and agony. Think of the parents of these children think of the fact that that most of these men and women believe in God and are praying at this moment for their children to be spared and their prayers will not be answered. Okay, but according to Christianity, this is all part of God's plan. Any God who would allow children by the millions to suffer and die in this way and their parents to grieve in this way either can do nothing to help them or doesn't care so he is therefore either impotent or evil and worse than that on Christian’s view most of these people many of these people certainly will be going to hell because they're praying to the wrong God. Just think about that okay through no fault of their own they were born into the wrong culture, where they got the wrong theology and they missed the revelation. They're 1.2 billion people in India at this moment most of them are Hindus most of them, therefore, polytheists in your Christian universe no matter how good these people are they are doomed if you are praying

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to the monkey god Hanuman you are
doomed. Okay, you will be tortured in hell for eternity, now is there the slightest evidence for this no it just says so in Mark 9 and Matthew 13 and Revelation 14. God created the cultural isolation of the Hindus okay he engineered the circumstance of their deaths in ignorance of Revelation and then he created the penalty for this ignorance which is an eternity of conscious torment in fire. On the other hand on your Christian account your run-of-the-mill serial killer in America who spent his life raping and torturing children need only come to God come to Jesus on death row and after a final meal of fried chicken he's going to spend an eternity in heaven after death okay one thing should be crystal clear to you this vision of life has absolutely nothing to do with moral accountability can please notice the double standard these Christians used to exonerate God from all this evil. We're told that God is loving and just and intrinsically good, but when someone like myself points out
the obvious and compelling evidence that God is cruel and unjust because he visits suffering on innocent people of a scope and scale that would embarrass the most ambitious psychopath, we're told that God is mysterious. Who can understand God's will okay and yet this is precisely the "this" human understanding of God's will is precisely what believers use to establish his goodness in the first place. If something good happens to a Christian, he feels some bliss while praying say where he sees some positive change in his life, and we're told that God is good okay, but when children by the tens of thousands are torn from their parents’ arms and drowned, we're told that God is mysterious. This is how you play tennis without the net. okay, and I want to suggest to you that it is not only tiresome when otherwise intelligent people speak this way it is morally reprehensible, this kind of faith is the perfection of narcissism.

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God loves me ‘don't you know,’ he cured me of my eczema, he makes
me feel so good while singing in church and just when we had given up hope he found a banker who was willing to reduce my mother's mortgage. Given all that this god of yours does not accomplish in the lives of others given the misery that's being imposed on some helpless child at this instant. This kind of faith is obscene. To think in this way is to fail to reason honestly or to care sufficiently about the suffering of other human beings. And if God is good and loving and just and kind and he wanted to guide us morally with a book why give us a book that supports slavery why give us a book that it monitors us to kill people for imaginary crimes like witchcraft, now, of course, there's a way of not taking these questions to heart according to Christian’s divine command theory God is not bound by moral duties. God doesn't have to be good whatever he commands is good so when he commands that the Israelites to slaughter the Amalekites that behavior becomes intrinsically good because he
commanded it. Well here we're being offered a psychopathic and psychotic moral attitude, it's psychotic because this is completely delusional, there's no reason to believe that we live in a universe ruled by an invisible monster Yahweh, but it is it is psychopathic because this is a total detachment from the well-being of human beings it this so easily rationalizes the slaughter of children. Just that just think about the Muslims at this moment who are blowing themselves up convinced that they are agents of God's will there is absolutely nothing that Christians can say against their behavior in moral terms apart from his own faith-based claim that they're praying to the wrong God, if they had the right God what they were doing would be good on divine command theory. Now I'm obviously not saying that all the Christians or all religious people are psychopaths and psychotics,

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but this to me is that is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by
the billions what only lunatics could believe on their own, if you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that's saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley, you have lost your mind, okay but if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus you're just a Catholic. I'm not the first person to notice that it's a very strange sort of loving God who would make salvation depend on believing in him on bad evidence. If you lived 2,000 years ago there was evidence galore, and he was just performing miracles but apparently he got tired of being so helpful and so now we all inherit this very heavy burden of the doctrines implausibility and the effort to square it with what we now know about the cosmos and we and what we know about the all-too-human origins of scripture becomes more and more difficult and it's not just the generic God that Christian’s are recommending, it is God the Father and Jesus, the son.
Christianity is the true moral wealth of the world. Well, I hate to break it to you here, but Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice. Christianity is not a religion that sells that repudiates human sacrifice; it is a religion that celebrates a single human sacrifice as though it were effective. ‘God so loved the world that He gave His only So’ John 3:16. The idea is that Jesus suffered the crucifixion so that none needs suffer hell except those billions in India and billions like them throughout history.

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I am capable, but I have no desire to. You mistake someone who has no respect for you as someone who wants to prove you wrong. I do not care what you believe, but you certainly do.
I never formulated my views of the world through Yea Forums, even though i've been here all summer.

This is astride this doctrine is astride a contemptible history of scientific ignorance and religious barbarism we come from people who used to bury children in under the foundations of new buildings as offerings to their imaginary gods, if we just think about that they're in vast numbers of societies people would bury children in postholes, people like ourselves thinking that this would prevent an invisible being from knocking down their buildings. These are the sorts of people who
wrote the Bible if there is a less moral framework than the one Christians are proposing I haven't heard of it.

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Jesus spoke in parables, most of his teachings were made to undo extreme kikness. Couldn’t even carry mat on sabbath. Thinking of the time was more you were blessed with possessions, the more holy and in Gods favor you were.

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shut up you utter prick. is that the conclusion you've come to, Christianity is bullshit? It's not true, but it's a higher form of thought than say, capitalism, most political beliefs in the modern world etc. Have you ever read philosophy?

Every religion is bollocks, but so is every belief system, sometimes moreso. Grandstanding over Christianity is just onanism to its core

>Bla Bla bla
>muh children
>muh dead children
>muh problem of evil
I'm OP and you write bullshit no one gives a shit about this. Literally no one.
And you don't understand how numbers work.
>hell for eternity
WRONG!
Hell is not really in the bible.
> tortured in hell for eternity,
WRONG!
Directly contradicts the bible!
biblehub.com/matthew/10-28.htm
>Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

>One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
> destroy ... soul ... in hell.
> destroy ... soul ... in hell.
> destroy ... soul ... in hell.
> destroy ... soul ... in hell.

You bring verses that can support this eternal torture in hell.
If you want to debate christian fanon its Ok however you need to remember that hell is not really in the bible!
And you need to remind Christians of this every time.

Video for you!
youtube.com/watch?v=Wgj65-EfmoA

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>Couldn’t even carry mat on sabbath
More like to lazy to obey the law.
Oh and the not eating forbidden animals thing was abolished because Peter was hungry and god totally told him he can eat the forbidden animals now like every other christian.

If Peter did have a urge to have some gay sex I bet god totally would tell him its OK now because
>Something something incoherent sentence.
And the modern Christians spin this into
>something something new covenant bla bla bla.
biblehub.com/bsb/acts/10.htm
biblehub.com/acts/10-13.htm

Also removing restrictions = more converts = more money.

If you knew nothing about christianity and just learned about it one day you would have to be legit insane to believe it without an amazing reason to do so.

Spirituality and souls are bullshit
nothing magical about love

Are you happy?

religion as a concept is specifically bad.
religion = "just believe in something without having any reason to do so"

yep, perfectly happy without religion. bonus: not filled with hate and fear instilled in me by some authority figure who i listen to because he reads holy book real good

Thank you good sir, I hate the fact that so many believe in BS.

I'm glad you are happy. However the rest of what you had to say speaks volumes about you. You are assuming an awful lot. That is very presumptuous of you.

>too lazy to obey the law
God with us commanded him to take up mat and walk.
>forbidden animals
Agree annon, man doesn’t have right to change laws of god. Includes 7th day sabbath, graven images, and forbidden animals. Jesus obeyed all God’s laws and man should strive to be like him

Im not OP, but I do have a video for you:
youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

I don't understand OP Would you rater have islamics who have no buisness n your places telling you what to do?
Don't be a daft faggot, just realize what you're supporting.

Did he say he supports any religion at all? Assuming to push your own opinions.

>shut up you utter prick
Hey kido you sure sound angry when people talk to you about the bible.
Why do you hate the truth? Why can you not accept the truth?

>Christianity is bullshit
The OP shows you jokers are contradicting your own god and holy book with your doctrine.
Want to talk about this?
Or are you ass mad that no one is sucking your metaphorical cock here in how great Christianity is?

>It's not true
Then its false.
Why do you hate the truth?
Why do you celebrate falsehoods?

>but it's a higher form of thought than say,
1) you admitted
>It's not true
Then its false.
how can something false be anything worth accepting seriously?
You are literally contradicting yourself.

2) prove the naked statement that
>it's a higher form of thought

3)
>capitalism
Capitalism is a form of social organisation like feudalism and is tied to Marxist theories.
>but it's a higher form of thought than say, capitalism
This statement makes no sense.

>Have you ever read philosophy?
Actually I'm extremely versed in it.
Maybe next time you try to learn some, how about you learn about truth or the philosophy of truth and learn what
>It's not true
implies?

Seriously its like I'm talking to a 12 year old or someone with the mental capacities and/or knowledge of a 12 year old.

>youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
Would you like to voice any of this for argument, or do you prefer to take a vaguely superior stance and let the ambiguity speak for you?

false dichotomy, Islam is also idiotic bullshit

The more that it means to you, the less chance that it will happen. Keep beliving you islamic sack of shit.

8/10, glad to know trolling is still alive and well

Yikes, I also posted it.

didn't actually mean to paste that link, accidently pasted it

Sometimes one has to pick and choose.
If you don't understand that then I pity you.

Yoikes christians be leavin

Its an interesting philosophy, to say that if God is true then he must be evil. I do not deny this. But this is a mans understanding, and man knows very little - in fact he does not know far more than he knows. It is simply in my favour to have faith.
I am sure you are familiar with Pascals Wager. Do you think this is cowardly or wise? The answer to that question will determine all I need to know about you.

Yes if we pedantically redefine and debate the definition of a word used to represent a concept it will obfuscate the actual point and you can falsely make you position appear to be reasonable. Well done, you get a B- on your philosophy paper for demonstrating why theists are ultimately intellectually dishonest and unjustified in holding their positions

Sais whom?
Idon't see any Chirstians leaving for you islamic sacks of shit.

Thanks! Some of us still try to keep it up, against the retarded earnesty and irony of the masses

It's not about evil you silly goose.
Learn something for once in your live.
I don't know jack shit in my life, but I do know right from wrong.
It's strange and funny.

No I have not studied philosophy and therefore you will not recieve an answer to your question. The point you've missed in the video is that the christian god is portrayed as all-loving, all-kind, all-forgiving, but when we look at our world which he purportedly created, it is nothing like what god in shown as throughout the bible.

Who the fuck are you to grade anyone?
Don't be an arrogant cunt, you might find that someone knows more than you do.

Oh wait you go and say that you are retarded like you did
>You mistake someone who has no respect for you as someone who wants to prove you wrong. I do not care what you believe, but you certainly do.
unfortunate implications
>I act retarded just because
Implication
>I feel I'm so smart because I act retarded and make myself look like a complete retard in this conversation.

How about next time instead of playing your gay ass retard
>Oh I don't have respect for you
card you actually don't humiliate yourself in front of me and try to actually argue with some reason? Because writing shit only makes you look retarded.

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You come across as pretty arrogant.

Jesus was just interpreting how hard it was to live a holy sinless life.
Explain to me when Jesus was on the cross in between two criminals and one of them while being crucified himself just says he believes in Jesus then Jesus says immediately after that "you will join with me in paradise" that same day?

He tried to teach people.
Some people learned, many did not.

It was a lesson on repentance. One thief mocked Jesus, the other said leave him alone we are guilty, he is innocent. Faith without repentance is worthless. Need to feel bad for bad thing we do

If we listen and learn,
We might make it to the stars.
It's just a dream for us.

>Jesus obeyed all God’s laws
WRONG!
Jesus broke the sabbath this is in the bible.
He broke about every law of god, he was a disgusting and possibly insane hobo who was so obscene with his jewish law violations that he was crucified for breaking the jewish laws all the time.

I mean Christians abolished practically every commandment of god of the OT.

>>forbidden animals
>Agree annon
???
So can you eat pork? Yes or No?
Yes and you are breaking OT law.
No and you are contradicting practically every christian in the world and the bible(NT) itself.

However wait you have a christian solution for this you simply believe the stupid lies that jesus was god (despite how self contradictory and insane this is) so jesus can change all laws because he says he is god.

Yes the same hobo who was killed and was unable to magic himself away from the cross.
Seriously.
Jesus was a simple hobo who told lies and was killed the end. Because he was a human who lied and did have no magical powers.

However his apostles simply told lies and took the
dead body to have their little cult of Christians, for profit.

you know nothing about buddism, it's a death cult that hates singing, dancing, feeling, joy, anything remotely good.
You're just meant to sit and rot and hopefully die.
it's just depressing.

You just believe in Jesus Christ works and sacrifice, not work for it yourself cause we are already born with Sin.
Jesus was born without Sin and lived and died a Sinless life and rose from the dead in order for us to only believe in what He did and not work for our salvation cause we can't save ourselves.

I'm OP and Islam needs removal!
I'm a atheist.

And Christians are poison, Christianity is the origin of all leftism and degeneracy. Christianity is cuckoldry
>Love your enemies
>If the Muslims kill your children give them more to kill because Jesus commends you.

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No on the pork, fish without scales, hare, or any cloven hooves
Also agree on changing almost all laws in ot, and upon judgement they will have to deal with that.
As far as Jesus breaking laws? Example please. Even in ot rules changed man was no meat till Noah.
No one knows for sure if he was God with us. But probably existed, and was most influential man ever. Even for just the fact we measure time by his death.
I chose to believe he was sent to die for my sins. And as far as saviors go not ridiculous as man in cave. Or that you guy is over2000 years late.

That's what you wrote, not what I wrote.
I think that you should consider what you wrote and do the necessary.
Eat of the body of Christ, and drink of his blood. I'm nobody to speak, but then neigher are you.

Well, the way I see it and I could be wrong here but I think those rules were for the people that were with Christ himself. Ask any christian that loves jesus and they'll probably tell you, if they could give it all up to walk with him they would in a heartbeat. Their faith is what is weak in that they don't believe it's really achievable to walk with their God in modern times. Most churchs will even teach you it's not possible, that miracles don't exist and it's only in the bible that we saw them.
Speaking from my own experience in the the churchs that do believe in modern day miracles and testing their faith, also operate as faithless institutes.
The letters from Paul to the churchs explain this.
I think the apostles were called to greatness, they weren't just sunday worshippers they were doing the real deal and building upon it, otherwise we wouldn't be reading their individual books.
There is a lot of truth about the rich not being able to receive the kingdom of God. I might be wrong here again but I believe that it's also referring to the kingdom of God on earth, meaning his spirit.
I've known a few rich people and a few poor people and theres often massive disparities between the fruits of their spirits, but you wouldn't need to be a spiritual or religious person to be able to see those differences.

I don't really know much about the subject, like you said it's really not preached on, then again I grew up poor and with poor people. I'm not saying we didn't have a single possession kind of poor, but poor enough that you weren't racing to become poorer. I have a few possessions now and truth be told they are distractions from the important things in life, I can be a witness to that truth.
I think overall the bible is pretty accurate in telling people that being rich isn't going to help you one bit.
People aren't following that suggestion/commandment however you view it.
But the point you're missing is the redemption story of the bible...

I can't deny the truth of that. They are scumbags. I don't quite understand why islamics need to be in non-islamic nations.

Aren't they the religion of peace?

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Christianity as a concept is bullshit.
But in reality, christianity has come far from the initial "concept" (unlike many other religions).
Christians dared to question the existence of their own god, which is where we as a society have transcended into something else. We are eager to know the truth, and although we ultimately succumb to the fact that there is a higher power that we will never be able to reach (imagine something "higher" than intelligence, something that cannot be reconstructed by intelligence), we still try to reach the farthest we can with what we are. That's what makes christianity different.

Yeah you people must all be right, but look at facts.
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

You can play with the numbers a bit for a wider range.

I'm OP and these lines of thinking are retarded.
Its literally:
>I don't like god! Therefore I don't believe in him.
Its cringey and stupid and on the same level like talking to gravity
>How dare you gravity hurt me when I fall on my face!
>How dare you gravity kill children for no reason whatsoever!

Its so stupid that only idiots will believe this line.
I'm excluding the fact that the bible literally says its because of original sin so the fat retard in the video lacks even the basic knowledge of Christianity.

Now to the scenario:
Assuming I see god(fat chance) and it happens to be the christian god I have so many questions:
1) Why did you fail every test? Like I asked for you specifically to show up. Why did you fail these tests?
You a all power full being can not show up? It should be trivial for you. your existence was literally impossible to determine and all normal tests indicated you are fake.

2) "If some crap about not showing"
So how exactly was I supposed to determine what the real god is? I mean Allah is not here so I' assuming he was the wrong god however how am I supposed to know this? Non of you give any evidence? How was I supposed to pick the right one? And what is the right flavor of Christianity?

3) Lets talk about the bible, because excluding all other things the bible itself has massive problem in it systemic problems leaving only one conclusion its a stupid collection of stories who are contradictory and written like shit. Wan't to talk about it?

The way Christians view themselves is as already flawed, they see all people as flawed, even those 'saved'
I mean shit, you'll find a few of us on Yea Forums which is riddled with porn and other stuff any Christian shouldn't be viewing.
Christianity isn't about holding a high standard against everyone, it's about attempting to meet it yourself because you believe in that standard, what it can do for you life.
If you don't believe in sin, you'll never see the concept for what it is.
People don't follow jesus because it makes them better than everyone else, they followed him cos they need him because they're ashamed in their sinfulness and suffering in brokenness. You know that line about Jesus is here for the sinners not the saints? Well most of his people already believe they've fucked up in life and a lot of them have paid the price that it came with, so you're not going to find perfect christians, not really anywhere.
If the perfect christian existed than why would the body be comprised of different parts? You know the example of the church and the body parts, the eyes and ears and hands ect?
Anyways thats all I can do to answer your questions.

Have you ever considered that it's your problem and not the problem of others?

People like you are funny. Are you trying to justify yourselves?

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. ... For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

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Christianity paved the way for modern science and is therefore unique. It's the literal birthplace of modern science.

>but muh greeks
They collapsed under their own weight. You have to include all facets, not just cherrypick the one's you like.

I do find it kind of funny when I see someone throw out accusations of certain characters of the bible without having any concept of how the OT and NT connect eachother.

I could start of by referring to Isaiah 42 and recommend reading the whole chapter. This is OT and prophecies the of a new covenant that will be established through a servant which we christians belive to be no other than Jesus Christ. New covenant meaning that there will be new and different laws. Second thing about the sabbath is this:

John 5:17
In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."

This is Jesus response when he confronted on why he works during the sabbath.

About the other guys spewing about Matthew 19:21
"21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Again people seem to never learn to read the context. Read the whole story and you'll see it's about a man who wants to figure out how to be saved. And when Jesus tells him to sell everything walks away saddened BECAUSE he was rich. The point of the event is that this man is more concerned of his wealth rather than following Christ.

Now what I don't understand is the objection. How do you come to the conclusion that christianity is false just because people don't sell their property?

And I would say that it would be wonderful if people could follow Jesus the way the disciples did but it is hard. People fear going down this path because it is rough so people find another way to contribute by for example preaching, answering texts and what not on forums, having youtube channels and so on. The idea of the verse is "let go of your regular life you are used to" and start teaching the word of god.

I hope this changes your perspective on the teachings of the bible.

Big problem is most people who like to point out contradictions in the Bible.
1 never read it for themselves
2 if read
Read with hate for God
Not read with open mind
Not able to understand readings

zero was pretty awesome too, though we did not invent it.
Just the concept of zero.

Found the dipshit.

>1) Why did you fail every test? Like I asked for you specifically to show up. Why did you fail these tests?
In the bible it says the Jesus prepares someones heart to accept him, he doesn't just obey the demands of a single person. Clearly your heart isn't in meeting him anyways.
>your existence was literally impossible to determine and all normal tests indicated you are fake.
Blind faith is require of a lot of people, it's talked about in the bible as well.
>So how exactly was I supposed to determine what the real god is? I mean Allah is not here so I' assuming he was the wrong god however how am I supposed to know this? Non of you give any evidence? How was I supposed to pick the right one? And what is the right flavor of Christianity?
This is what takes discernment, which in your case might be very difficult. It'll take some consideration of their words, measure what is true or not. I don't think very many of us would agree on everything the muslim God deems as acceptable, based on morals.
It'll be hard for anyone to accept jesus's words also but based on the challenge not the morals or lacking thereof.

>owning property gets you to hell
>sell your shit now
>says nothing about abortion
>nothing about homosexuality

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OP here almost missed it
>I only hate the christian god, zeus etc are totally OK
Holy fuck what a retard
>God is all wise
WRONG! Or post the bible verse saying this.
>God is all beneficent
WRONG! Or post the bible verse saying this.
>God is all kind.
WRONG! Or post the bible verse saying this.

Actually in the bible:
biblehub.com/exodus/34-14.htm
> for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Gods name is literally "Jealous"
biblehub.com/exodus/20-5.htm
>I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

I have no idea where this retarded thinking is going.
And if this is to hard you have the story of job here god makes a bet with satan and decides to torture job for the fun to win a bet with satan who he is super OK hanging around with; and making bets.

>The god who created this universe is totally selfish
I mean how more stupid can you get
biblehub.com/exodus/34-14.htm
> for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Gods name is literally named "Jealous"

Its like the fat retard did not even read the bible. Next time try to read the book you are criticizing fagot.

>WHY?
Original sin. The book of job?!?!
Is this fagot aware of even the basics of Christianity?
>Its not acceptable
Yet you say
>Its totally ok if Zeus created all of this

Can you contradict yourself even more?

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Just think how much easier it is to write 1303 instead of without a zero. Some of you people don't quite understand, perhaps someday you will.
Interestingly the Greeks didn't need that, they used geometry.

MCCCIII

What tests? Your tests to try to see if god is real? Every now and then I hear people assume how God should be and not how to be. Who are you to determine what God should be like? Why should God be like YOU want him to be? And this when your "If some crap about not showing up" comes up because you'll probably ignore the part above.

So who is God? Well this discussion could go on forever and there is no way of determing it but what I can tell you is search. First you must ask yourself "Do I believe in the possibility of god? then go and read the texts of different religious texts. Determine from them what would be reasonable; A hateful god? A loving God? A Devious God? A mortal God? A bunch of gods? Most religions have a spiritual side to it and some say they experience certain feelings they've never experienced before. You might get that feeling too.

And your last point is simple, point out references where this occur and have in mind (though this might sound a bit biased) that many of these chapters are composed of different writers meaning they've seen the events through different perspectives. In some cases the several writers might have interviewed same witnessess but asked different questions hence receiving different answers or descriptions of the event. This is most visible if you read the end of each ghospel where the description of Jesus tomb varies on the four different accouns.

>Pascals Wager
Sure only 1 problem.
See the OP!
So the decision is:
1) become a hobo
1A) there is a god you get to heaven
1B) There is no god you lived a horrible life as a hobo
2)Stay wealthy and atheistic
2A)You go to hell for your atheism
2B)You die nothing happens.

Oh and the false christian position is the worst since you waste your life here and go to hell because you died with money.

I mean if you love money more then your presumed heaven life and you going to hell for it why waste the time you have here on Jesus better do the best you can.

And if you try to escape from this by trying to twist and play word games. Look I'm not the one who is so pathetic that he has a book that is written like shit and the book contradicts his behavior and he needs to play word games to twist the commandments in the book into the direct opposite of what they say.

So are you becoming a hobo?
Pascals Wager this!

Bu... bu... Pythagoras.

Amen!

>Yes if we pedantically redefine and debate the definition
0/10 I'm asking you to define this word no definition you have nothing stop using meaningless words.

>theists
You have no idea.
Literally no one can be a theist its a impossible position since the category is meaningless.

There are no religions or theists in the world.
>unjustified in holding their positions
Actually this is a problem for atheists since Christians could care less if they are classified to be theists or an religion.

Forgot pascals wager

Most of you people don't quite understand that there's a difference in systems of expressing things. For instance arithmetic, or geometry, or calculus.
They more you know about how to express things, the better off you are.

Yup.

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Thinking that you know it all, does not make you right. Deal with it.

>god in shown as throughout the bible.
HOLY SHIT!
Are you idiots for real?!
You have no fucken idea what the bible is about and this is a fact!
Quote the bible verses!

Talk about retards coming into the discussion.

So tell us, since you claim to know it all.

Your statement makes no sense.
>Explain to me when Jesus was on the cross in between two criminals and one of them while being crucified himself just says he believes in Jesus then Jesus says immediately after that "you will join with me in paradise" that same day?
This is not a question.
Also the :
>you will join with me in paradise" that same day?
is a soft contradiction look into it.

I thought it was "father, forgive them for they know not what they do?"

You simply don't know how to google but here is 6 verses on which God is wise
Proverbs 3:19
Job 12:13
Romans 16:27
1 Timothy 1:17
Isaiah 55:9
Psalm 147:5

God is Good/Beneficent/Kind is based on that God is the ultimate being. But here are a few on these notes

John 3:16 (probably the most notable one)
1 John 4:19
Psalm 136:1
Psalm 86:15
and many more

A commentary on Jealous God is "for the Lord whose name is Jealous, [is] a jealous God;
his name and nature answer to one another; he admits of no rival or competitor in worship; he will not give his glory to another god, or one so called, nor his praise to graven images; and in this he is distinguished from all nominal and fictitious gods, who have many joined with them, and are rivals of them, which gives them no concern, because insensible; but it is otherwise with the Lord, who knows the dishonour done him, and resents it, and is as jealous of any worship being given to another, as the husband is of the honour of his marriage bed; for idolatry is spiritual adultery, as is suggested in the following verse."

I wish the writer would have said his name because this is what God means by "jealous God".

Redemption one felt bad for things he did other didn’t

Yeah and once you believe then you have to follow him (ie salvation by works)
Works and guilt never end
Even after you realize its all nonsense
This is why so many atheists are so vocal

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>As far as Jesus breaking laws?
OK read the bible:

biblehub.com/matthew/
Matthew 12
Matthew 12:2
>When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."
Literally theft(stealing from farmers) and breaking the sabbath.
Healing on the sabbath is breaking the sabbath.
Excluding the stupid jesus nonsense talk.

Want me to continue?

atheists have to justify themselves and make it some political movement, I don't pick either one. I just don't stuff my opinions on others.
You are right though that atheists have an axe to grind, to them people who are devout Catholics are fucked in the head, yet their the ones so scared of their own opinions that they attack others.

I consider the atheists mainly because they're doing what witch hunters used to do. They're hypocrites.

Grand prize--Most retarded user on Yea Forums.

Console yourself, personally I don't care about either of your sides. Deal with it, I'm sick of dealing with people trying to push their shit onto me.

You see, it's not up to me whether you continue or not, that's up to you.

The poor were allowed to glean from the fields of the farmers. Not stealing. And doing so on the sabbath is only forbidden in the oral torah. Healing on the sabbath is illegal, yet rescuing a draft animal from a ditch on the sabbath is not. Jesus was making the point that the sabbath was made for man and not the other way round.

a. Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart: God apparently gave Peter supernatural knowledge of what Ananias had done. This spiritual gift, called the word of knowledge, is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:8.

i. When Peter said this, Ananias must have been crushed. Certainly, he was expecting praise for his spectacular gift, but was rebuked instead.

b. Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit: Peter did not accuse Ananias of lying to the church, or to the apostles, but to the Holy Spirit Himself.

c. While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Peter freely acknowledges that the land and its value belonged to Ananias alone; he was completely free to do with it what he wanted. His crime was not withholding the money, but in deceptively implying that he was giving it all.

i. Of course, his sin was greed (in keeping the money); but his greater sin was pride, in wanting everyone to consider him so spiritual that he "gave it all."

ii. It wasn't that Ananias' gift wasn't big enough, but that the sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord (Proverbs 15:8).

iii. The spirit of Ananias is alive and well in the church today. Far too many want to be considered "spiritual" while refusing to pay any kind of price in their service to God.

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What a lot of people miss in the USA is the simple fact is while you can say what you want, I don't have to listen to it.

I like to thank you for using actual bible verses however they are not helping you.

>In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
And its literally crap. It makes no sense.
How about he proves he is a god first instead of asserting it like the violent arrogant hobo that jesus is?

>BECAUSE he was rich
How about you talk about acts?
biblehub.com/bsb/acts/2.htm#42
Acts 4:32-37
>All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they shared with anyone who was in need.

>All the believers were together and had everything in common
>and had everything in common

In context of
Ananias and Sapphira
biblehub.com/bsb/acts/5.htm
See: Everyone was expected to give everything. You can not twist this away. you can twist homosexuality and the rest away however this is not going away because you have verse after verse and story after story telling you to sell everything.

Ivan you're English have not improved.

Hilarious,

Let's see if you're paying attention.

I'm betting you are.

>Even for just the fact we measure time by his death.
You realize Christianity is a government created and forced religion?
Right?
Because the roman empire made it illegal not to be a christian and then they changed their calendar to be counted based on the birth of jesus.

And this thing was around for about 1500 years.

Oh and other people measure time from different dates Muslims differently China differently Jews differently north Korea differently .

True.
look into the Buddhist mummies where they simply decide to sit around until they die.

Buddism is a magical ghost suicide cult.

yeah, sorry but your interpretation is wrong

You mean that you wont give your buttholio and your daughters to islamic/muslim scumbuckets?
Apparently I'm much more of a realist than you are.

Seems like you're trying to justify bullshit.
Why bother? They're scumbucket hypocrites. I don't understand why you would defend them.

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Just remember everyone,
Julie's been working for the drug squad.

>Not stealing
You try this to a farmer today and see how he reacts.
you are taking his property and this is theft.
>Jesus was making the point
He was bullshiting. like he was always doing.
I have no idea if the things he says are even true because I'm not a jew.

However even if they are true we have
idiot literate hobo jesus VS literally every learned rabbi in the world telling him he is wrong.

He was reprimanded and warned yet he continued with his shit until every jew wanted him dead for his breaking of the law. only the Romans did not give a shit about Jewish bullshit laws.

Just today? You should have seen it back in the day sodtypes v cattletypes v sheeptypes. If you looked into history you wouldn't have asked.

Ty

Well here are a few verses in which Jesus admits he is God.

Matthew 12:8 8 “So the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath day.” The conclusion here is that the only being that can be Lord of the sabbath is God and God only meaning that Jesus proclaims divinity here.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." Jesus put himself equal with the Father. Who can share equality with the Father if not God?

There are more but I think these suffices for now.

And on the rich part, I don't get your "come back". If your argument is that believers had everything in common then I don't get the point. There are many followers of christ who shares their belongings with other who has the same mission. But then again, there is no command that we must sell our belongings but something that would virtous to our mission. And I said before, I think many of us should do what the disciples did.

And the Ananias and Sapphira should be quite obvious to what wrongs the two of them did but explained it perfectly.

Those aren't verses, those are your of verses. Who appointed you to be the speaker of Jesus or God?
Ya know what, people like you can piss the fuck off. I know that's not the answer that you expected but it's the appropiate one.

When you interpret things then it makes you look stupid and arrogant.

Who the fuck elected you to interpret the words of God?
(I bet I get no answer here)

he did, but i too doubt that he will admit it himself.

The story makes no sense because Ananias did not say anything. The bible is a collection of stupid constructed statements.

He is not speaking then some words are thrown around. The story is quite obvious you must give all your money to away. And the bible is quite retarded for not giving Ananias any speaking lines makes the idiotic cult leaders look even more insane.

And its quite obvious the cult leaders(apostles) killed Ananias not some god magically striking people down.
funny how god is not striking people down today.

And other stories in the bible simply confirm it Christianity was nothing more then a scam where the cult leaders(apostles) demanded all the money from their underlings and the money was supposed to be given to the cult leaders every time. 100% of your money.

In the end even the bible confirms that the cult was a terrible idea because all the plebs where starving and did have nothing, the cult leaders did however have their food and money the people have given to them.

>Jesus admits he is God.
Holy crap.
No he asserts he is god.
And this is it an empty assertion.

So what is your argument here?
If someone says he is god he must be god????

Because this is all there is to it some hobo saying he is god.
And he has nothing to prove it if challenged he can not demonstrate anything. Jesus is simply a uneducated literate hobo cult leader who uses simple tricks to fool people.

Its so obvious even if you read it in the extremely slanted bible who tries to present it in the best light possible.

I mean seriously a missing body is so simple to explain. The disciples stole it, told lies to keep the cult around for the money they got.

Jelly much?
Go back to your muslim scumbag.
Just to remind you...
thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

Somehow I don't take subhumans that wear diapers on their heads very seriously.
You might want to eat some baccon w/eggs and enjoy life a litte, you only get one.

>I mean seriously a missing body is so simple to explain.
>The disciples stole it
there is an even simpler way, there never was a body or even a jesus in the first place and the writers of the bible just told lies to keep the cult around for the money they got.

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Wut seriously? XD

Well first of all you asked me where Jesus proclaims to be God and I gave you to verses and then suddenly you went ahead to be somewhat offended. What happened?

Second of all, these are basic teachings of the Christian doctrine, the trinity of The Father, The Son and The holy spirit.

There are serveral verses in which for example Jesus is worshipped
Mathhew 2:11 and 21:9
Acts 10:25

And many more. Here again, as I described before with the commentary of the Jealous God. No one but God deserves to be worshipped and everyone throughout the Book who is worshipped but God is rebuked. However, Jesus is does not rebuke those who worshipped him.

We look at Jesus as a prophet who preaches the word of God. We believe that he fullfills the prophecies of the Old Testament and when we hear his words and see his actions we see that he reflects the Father in heaven.

Jesus is given authority described in John 5:22
"For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judment to the son,"

I recommend reading the Ghospel of John since this ghospel is very strong when comes to show the power of Jesus and it is more concrete than the other ghospels. Note that I am not saying that the other ghospels are unclear but certain parts are harder to understand.

Btw the Ghospel of (John 1:1) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." And this again, we believe is Jesus since when read the rest of the chapter one understands that this speaks of Jesus being the word.

Saying that an interpretation is wrong implies that there is some objectively correct interpretation to compare with.

First I admit that any supernatural sort of reincarnation is obvious bullshit. But Gautama Buddha's teachings seem fine to me, probably leading to a peaceful and content life.

Don't reproduce, ok? The world has enough tards already.

>God is Good/Beneficent/Kind is based on that God is the ultimate being. But here are a few on these notes
OH WOW
>Let me twist words so hard that I need to insert in new words who are not even in the text!!!!!!!

You realize of how retarded this is? You are simply making stuff up now.
Why is this not written in the bible? Was god to stupid?
>Beneficent/Kind
Literally not in the bible!
You are making shit up.

I admit you got wise verses for me

You still can not get around the fact that gods name is "Jealous" and he hangs around with satan to make bets where humans are playthings.

So want to make this a contradiction or what?

Yeah seriously. You're nobody to pull scripture on anyone. In all seriousness, you might want to piss the fuck off.
No offence really meant, but that's a fact.
Take that for what you will.

Fuck that indian crap, if they knew so much they wouldn't need to come here as cheap ass H1Bs and would know how to clean up their pathetic ass ganges. Any of that buddha crap is hypocrasy and bullshit, get over it.

Sure fine, he asserts that he is God however but he also prove it through his miracles and the resurrection of Jesus. But then again you will just throw away this because you'll say that you don't belive "shit" that is written in the bible and call Jesus hobo again. Then my question to you is this, why start a discussion when your initial standing is "I don't give a fuck, Jesus was a hobo and his disciples just stole his body and tricked everybody" and ignore pretty much everything everyone says. First you try to use the bible against christians but when that fails you fall back to the lowest form of arguments and it is to attack the very idea of a religion/God. Congratulations :)

Well that commentary is what I gave you, if don't want to accept that as an answer then it's up to you. But that is what we believe that God means by Jealous God. Now just because the Bible doesn't use the words the exact words of Beneficent/kind doesn't mean he do not portray them. And he does portray them by sending his only Son to die for us

sorry, but I seriously don't know anything about hinduism

So why bring it up? Nobody gives a shit about that in the USA or any western nation. Keep that shit to youselves, we've stopped caring about your bullshit and you blaiming the USA for all of your pathetic problems.
In other words, PISS THE FUCK OFF!

Did I claim to be somebody? No offense really meant? Non taken but saying "piss the fuck off" and then say no offense is kind of idiotic don't you think? Regardless, I'm using scripture since this is the topic... I guess I'll use a book about mathematics instead since we are speaking about chicken eggs.

Seems to me that you love that indian / paki shit which means nothing to me. Go suck up to some buddah or whatever it's called. It hasn't gotten you too far.

>In the bible it says the Jesus prepares someones heart to accept him, he doesn't just obey the demands of a single person
I know this is written in the bible.

> measure what is true or not
INTERNAL HARD CONTREDICTION!!!!!!!!!!!

How exactly am I supposed to "measure" if you say I will be given no evidence?
INTERNAL HARD CONTREDICTION!!!!!!!!!!!

Also this methodology is retarded because you must conclude this is also true
youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI
you can not simply demand the jug can reveal itself to you!

If a infinitely capable all powerful limitless being can not show up on demand of everyone (what will the infinitely powerful being get overworked?) then its fake and its assertions of power are a joke.

You are literally demanding everyone stop thinking or using intelligence on this god thing. Because every time this god thing is examined with the intelligence you use everything else from day to day life to creating the technology you use today the conclusion is simple god is a lie you don't understand statistics and you are only talking to yourself.

every religion is shit

Well, if you had actually read the bible, you'd know that it clearly says that EVERYONE, even the most devout, is a sinner. That's kind of the whole point of Christ dying for our sins so that we can be forgiven. So I'm not sure how you pointing out that most Christians are hypocrites and sinners proves anything.

This is /b, this is whatever topic we make it. How about chasing down some praire chickens you hypocrite son of a cunt!

I was talking about buddhism specifically, not hinduism.
I'm actually Northern European.

Why doesn't the vatican put its money where it's mouth is and let in every refugee instead of expecting other nations to do it for them?

I couldn't care about either savage one. They're all pathetic to me. If you like that, that's on you, not me.

I think I've come pretty far, I have loving friends, family and a great job. I am very respected at my work place and barely meet people who treats me bad since my way of speaking to people is polite, respectful and loving. This doesn't mean that I agree with everything everyone says or that I like what they say but I respect their opinions and their choices. And if I find something wrong/repulsive then I'll point it out.

Yeah I know but the only reason I engaged in the discussion was because it was a topic I felt that I had something to say. Speaking about anything else that is off-topic is not of my concern... well excepts these comments XD

Northern Euro, what does that mean these days? You suck up to merkel who runs your nations and all the politicals want to bring in savages, dumb down the violent crime states and put them everywhere where the politicals are not. That is, in not their back yards, but yours.
Fucking hypocrites!
Yet you keep voting for them out of some guilt complex.

Hard to say, we despise Merkel in our country.

Good for you, you're not the only one that's had mega good jobs. It'll be a sad day in hell before I train some distusting hindu, indian, paki, whatever on anything on USA tech. I'd rather quit a job and find another then do something that stupid.

Dude... why the hate? I hope you rethink your life when it comes to what to love and hate. Well I gotta sleep good night.

I really find it funny when I find out later that some indian/paki (all the same to me) can't keep up. Lot's of luck trying to get me back to that company unless they're going to pay me a shitload of money and then I still wont train them or have anything to do with them.
That h1b stuff is bullshit.

It's not hate, it's reality. Daddy buys them some degree yet I'm expected to transfer technology. There's a difference. I just wont transfer tech to some h1b type or any indian/paki.

I don't why you consider that to be hate, it's not hate, it's reality. I have to reason to train foreiners, and I'll quit a job before having to do so. To each our own.

>What tests? Your tests to try to see if god is real?
YES.
Its childishly easy.
Simply take some sand and draw in it something complex like the word Jesus.
Now ask god to repeat this and miraculously or whatever create the same word in the next spot in the sand within 1 minute if god fails he is fake.

Its a simple test.
The bible says Christians can move mountains so want to upgrade this test and move Everest?

If he is not testable he is proven to be fake simple like this.
>go and read the texts
1) already did the bible literally says:
biblehub.com/john/14-14.htm
>You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
biblehub.com/matthew/18-19.htm
>"Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.

So want to test this? All of you fail every time!

2)So no evidence only reading stupid words written by stupid man see (1) this crap disproves itself.

> they experience certain feelings they've never experienced before. You might get that feeling too.
So I can get some strange feefees what a load of crap and retardation.
Is this all god can do give feefees?

>chapters are composed of different writers meaning they've seen the events through different perspectives.
you know what how about this why did god not write clearly what he wants. Why is the bible written like crap full of contradictions and stupid stories about humans.

Was god to retarded to create on his own a list of what we are supposed to do? In his own words?
Oh wait he did and then jesus abolished 99% of it leaving only stupidity and confusion behind himself!
So why not give us exact instruction on what to believe and how? Nothing literally nothing the NT is trash!

The all powerful creator of the universe and all he can do is give strange feefees. The all powerful creator of the universe can not write a instruction manual for humans to obey him.

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I suspect that you've never had to deal with the crappy writing and heads bobbing to and fro from indians and pakis in a professional workplace.
You see, I suspect that you're full of shit. Just try to deal with some indian or paki with it's head bobbing to and fro but can't write for shit and not crack up laughing. You've never worked for a real company and I can tell it real easy.

Who are you trying to convert on Yea Forums or are you just trying to justify yourself?

So you can do whatever and you get to heaven?
Interesting is there anything that can prevent you from going to heaven?

The point is the bible says you are going to hell if you have any money.

Why are you trying to twist the bible to justify your heresy? You are going to hell if you don't change.

I'm looking for discussion from different people.

That's what the catholics were on about and why protestents split from them. Paying to get absolution. If one pays enough to the church then one could be absolved of sins and go directly to god.
It's still that way in catholic stuff.

From Yea Forums? Yeah lots of luck.

Yet you keep responding so I have a tremendous success.

Pictured you not answering the question.
I repeat this once more:
So you can do whatever and you get to heaven?
Interesting is there anything that can prevent you from going to heaven?

next time try answering this instead of babbling about Catholics.

as much as i completely agree with you that the concept of god is baseless in any fact it does give some people a intrinsic value that makes them a better person i do like the concept of a tight community coming together all that stuff helping each other out but whenever you have someone that is in a place of power they most likely will exploit the sheep which is another reason i see no point in it plus you have retards who take someone else's word as godsent which can cause some fucked up scenarios if people are that simple-minded eg mass suicide drinking the kool aid

I did answer it. I'll simplify it for you, the real answer is that I don't know, but then you certainly don't know either. Do claim to speak for God or Jesus? If you do then you're full of shit.

I have to babbling about catholics, they do a pretty good job of that themselves. At least they're not islamics.
You didn't my statement or question either, pay off some bishop to absolve you of your sins? Is that the best way to heaven?

You were quoting from the Bible that it requires us to work for our salvation when Jesus did all the work and He just required us to believe, not work our behinds off to go to Heaven.

>the real answer is that I don't know
So you have signed up for a deal and you don't even know what you're getting. Only a godtard could be this stupid. Imagine going to a car dealer, signing a contract, and not knowing what car you will get, or even IF you will get a car.

youtube.com/watch?v=GrC_yuzO-Ss
Depeche Mode - Walking In My Shoes

Heh!

I didn't sign up for anything, don't assume anything about me punk boy. Now go around with your pleather jacket with a little A in a circle.

Go around threatening women and little girls. I suspect that's all you people with pleather jackets and As in circles are capable of.

>I don't know
Aha so you are wasting everyone's time by vomiting your crap here.
I asked you a question about your beliefs however I get this
>I don't know
Then what do you know?

Because you clowns literally have no answers to any questions.
You have no answers!
Try writing a coherent sentence next time.

>You were quoting from the Bible
Yes and it literally says you must do X or you go to hell.

> Jesus did all the work
Here is the hilarity of it. You are inserting your protestant fan fiction that contradicts the bible directly.

You pulled this crap out of your ass or did you repeat the shit your leaders made up?
Because it contradicts the bible directly.
And before the protestant fags start
"Only the bible its the only authority"
You people are an endless comedy gold mine.

I'm OP and I approve of this message.

>Is that the best way to heaven?
I'm an atheist.

What precisely do you "know?"
That's nothing so don't get on my case because you can quote scripture. That doesn't mean that you "know" anything first hand.
Don't be a hypocrite, you might have to be one to justify yourself and you can't help it but do remember that this is Yea Forums and you might want to take it to religious web site where you all have some fuck fest over yourselves.

Depeche Mode - It's No Good
youtube.com/watch?v=stpaq27-V70

I'm neither, I just don't care about others pushing their beliefs upon me. In fact I care about them less because they don't believe in their own stuff so have to justify themselves by pushing it on others. That applies to the religious types and the anti-religious types.

Sure you did. In becoming a godtard, you have signed up to a cult in exchange for your dignity, and if you are a church-going cult member, then you are also losing cash each week. All in exchange for "hurrrr I don't know what heaven is". You absolute mong.

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I like to show the religious position here:
1) We have no answers to anything
2) We know nothing
3) No one knows a thing.
4) However there is some god somewhere and jesus in there and something something the world works like if there was no god.

So all religious people like you are nothing more then idiots who have this empty god meme they like to say from time to time, no answers no knowledge no nothing.

Think about your life and realize that your god meme autism is a problem.

A) wouldn’t bow down to a god even if there was one
B) wouldn’t want to live for eternity in heaven even if there was one
C) wouldn’t trust an honest Christian even if there was one
D) nodody could prove a god existed even if there was one shred of demonstrable proof

Point being, zero fucks given.

Have a blessed day.

Listen, friend, I nor Jesus, nor God is telling you to do anything you do not want to do.
You have free will.
And, if you love trying to prove everybody that tries to debate you, wrong: why don't you start from the beginning of the bible and tell me ("quote me") what did Adam and Eve do before they sinned?

>What precisely do you "know?"
Depends on the topic I know a lot.
I know what is in my house.
Various other things.
So how do you know there is this god thing? you seam to be certain about it. yet you totally lack any form of describing it.

Clearly you're not capable of following a thread. What does this have to do with money? Don't blame me because you're making minimum wage like a cuckfag. You should be ashamed of yourself and feel sad, the only thing that someone such as you can do is seek abolution. SUCKER!

That's your house. Why try to push it on others to justify yourself and your house?

Dam this is good.
I will save these lines, I applaud you for summing up this godclown far better then I was capable of.

Read everything in context and the responses, save those as well. When one takes something out of context then that person comes across as a pathetic moron.

>What does this have to do with money?
It's a religion thread, champ. If you don't think that the core business of religion is separating idiots from their cash, then welcome to planet earth.

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>You have free will
Not in the bible.
Directly contradicts the bible!

You see we know why you say these things its because the bible was written by brain damaged primitives

And modern theologians need to invent new crap to try to make the whole thing look less retarded then it is.
Only the bible directly contradicts free will.
And other theological inventions.

Why are you looking to /b for answers about Christianity? Everyone here are Godless heathens. Go talk to someone who knows 10x more about it than you, if you even want the truth, that is...

I never said that I didn't know that, but that's the church. Not belief. Get with the program.
Depeche Mode - Never Let Me Down
youtube.com/watch?v=A-FXMPU4Uj0

Christianity isn't BS and here's my story to prove it

I had a fight with two ppl 10 years ago who were my friends. It ended the friendship. I did not see these ppl all this time in 10 years.

10 years later I get into christianity. I have a 1 on 1 session with GOD and Jesus one night. The session is based on me communicating to GOD and Jesus based on knowledge I had learned from from reading the bible. It wasn't an ordinary prayer in other words. I said to Jesus that night "I believe in you, and I believe you can resolve things between me and this person that I have not seen in 10 years". I don't know why that came to me but it did.

The very next day I go to a movie theater i've been to maybe 3 times in the last 10 years. In the movie room my friend that I had not seen in 10 years walked in and sat one row in front of me without realizing and in the dark it was the only real distance I could tell it was them. And we resolved things shortly afterwards. What's even crazier is that the day before this, the OTHER friend that I had not seen in 10 years randomly contacted me as well.

If you say that is pure coincidence then I don't know what to say to you. But hopefully my story will inspire others to believe.

>Go talk to someone who knows 10x more about it than you
So another atheist?
Because anyone who knows the bible on my level is an atheist.

That's not really true. Yea Forums is fun just like many sites that preceeded it and many I suspect will come after. It's simply fun to fuck around on.
If that doesn't work for you then why are you here?

Yeah right. /b isn't the proper place to make you look stupid. I'm not saying I believe in it, I'm just saying that I can make you look stupid pretty fast and have fun doing it.

Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus (Live on Letterman)
youtube.com/watch?v=i2GEOcEcRtY

Cheers!

The Bible merely explains the holiness of God.
God is all good and perfect.
If anything contaminates any substance that is deemed unblemished, then said thing becomes perishable.
Jesus paid our debt.
We had debt (Sin).
Sin contaminates and destroys everything.
Examples of Sin; murder, stealing, envy, jealousy, lust, etc.
God the Father through Jesus Christ is without Sin.
God is holy.
We sinned but generations down the line like us didn't have anything to do with Adam and Eve sinning.
Fast foward.
Jesus was born to take the Sin away for everyone past, present and future.
Our bodies are still corrupt with Sin.

Your belief is retarded. Your favourite god is just as fake as the thousands of other gods that you know are fake.

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>If you say that is pure coincidence then I don't know what to say to you.
You don't understand statistics.

And the story is pure stupidity.
I mean the eternal creator of the universe having infinite powers over time and space and this is what he did?

I hope at least he showed up in person to mediate the talks.
Yes ladies and gentlemen the awesome power of god is ....
you randomly getting to sit down next to the person you looked for.

God the micro scheduled manipulator.

Was god not doing awesome things back in the day like destroying cities? What happened to this? Now its manipulating schedules and chance.

What a joke.

>talking snake book
Into the trash it goes.

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There's a difference between the trinity and the church you know.

>Examples of Sin
>jealousy
>jealousy
>jealousy
>God the Father through Jesus Christ is without Sin
Meanwhile in the real bible:
biblehub.com/exodus/34-14.htm
> for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Gods name is literally "Jealous"

There's also a difference between horseshit and bullshit. What's your point?

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You catholics should go buy some indulgences to guarantee your entry into heaven.

That's a pretty stupid analogy, why not read up on it yourself? I know you wont so here's the simple version, one is what is, the other is what is created by money grubbing pigs.

>trinity
Oh boy.
Can you explain the trinity?
Oh and try not to fall into a heresy and contradict the bible directly.

Did you know? The word trinity is not in the bible and was made up by theologians to try to massage the self contradictions of the bible into something that is less self contradictory.
Spoiler warning it made everything worse.

How it looks:
youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

Fuck your thread this is all loli now

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Ultimately the point is that the church doesn't mean jack shit and is a joke now. It's hypocritical and full of shit.
Here's one simple example. The "pope" wants other nations to take in nigger refugees but wont take them in the vatican, they'll keep them out of the vatican with armed guards. Don't you see the hypocrasy there?

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I knew you would bring that up.
Jealousy in the context of the Bible really directs us to God.
It literally is the truth.
God is a jealous God or else he wouldn't care about us going astray.
Remember the sheepherder analogy.

God is a loli

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Magic. Invisible. Floating. Faggot. In. The. Sky.

This is what you believe is real. It is literally the most retarded story ever told, and you fell for it. Exactly how dumb are you, champ? Could you attempt to quantify your stupidity for us?

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Since you know everything, I'd rather hear your explaination in text and not on some youtube bullshit.

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What a shock that a christian would be a pedo.

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In fact im atheist

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Yeah, maybe.

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Nope. Godtard. And a pedo. KYS.

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Mohamed is a loli

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Actually it's mostly hollywood and arab sleaze. They're not christians, they hate cristians, it's a hollywood thing. I'm none of the above but I do know how to think for myself and that's what I see.

Every jew is a loli that i raped together with my atheist friends

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Youre a newfag

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Oh and youre mom will get killed by a loli in her sleep with a knife

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So jews who defend themselves against pathetic and disgusting islamics/arabs rape everyone? Do you realize that they're disgusting to jews? Even I know that and I'm not a jew.
They're good allies.
Why do you blame jews for all of your problems, is it because you're a pathetic cunt that couldn't get out of school so has to take it out on others?

This thread is mine now newfags

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Pff i raped the muslims after i raped the Jews

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Also newfag

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Youre all pathetic newfags
Just realise that lolis will rule this world

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Condolences.

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Keep thinking that furryfag, go back to /mlp where you'll be wanted.

Pff no need after that i and my lolis raped beautiful european white girls with blue eyes and blonde hair

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Do you get off to drawings and cartoons? That's pretty sad.

Nice try but they arent animals
They are goddesses

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In your dreams, given what they vote for like merkel, they almost deserve it with their ww ii guilt complexes. Almost.
We'll leave nothing of you to rape and pillage if you fuck with the USA.

Loli to /pol/ we have redditor please respnd

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Merkel is a loli btw

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No they're not animals. They give animals a bad name, they're below that. islamics/muslims/arabs don't qualify as even animals, that would be an insult to animals.

ewwwwww, someone who disagrees with your bullshit, so it a redditor. How about get the fuck out you fucking faggot?

Are all of you into traps cuz your responses are pretty gay

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Ohh i thought you meant lolis were animals my bad

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Coming from you that means so much.
Post more cartoon dick pics to prove out your point.

Yeh, I don't care about lolis. At least they're not islamics.

Profanity wont make you look like a professional newfag

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Oh sorry im not gay go back to Yea Forums

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Dont worry someday you will find the path of loli

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Just dont go right cuz thats the way to prison
Go left

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Oh and you're the judge of profanity?
GTFO!
Go back to /mlp and suck up to my little pony you fucking freak!

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Walk into the light! ha!

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10pm est, time for Dark Vault of Public Domain!

Youre so newfag i wont even bait holy shit

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loli the Dark Vault and see how far it gets you.

Fags wont attack back but I will, feel free to call me as you will. Dollars to donuts I've been here longer than you have. To me, you're the newfag, though that's a stupid term, like incel.