Why do the democrats want open borders?

Why do the democrats want open borders?

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What is an open border?

What do you think it is?

Why does the right want to murder white children?

sauce or fuck out

It means different things to different people. I’m curious what OP is referring to

It's somewhat more complicated than meets the eye, but the long and short of it is that ultimately immigrants from latin america tend to vote liberal/democrat and the upper echelons of the democrat party know this. They want to funnel as many immigrants over so that they have better odds of winning elections and securing power for themselves.

Your individual democrat voter might have all sorts of other, "moral," reasons for wanting lax immigration policies, but that's entirely immaterial to why the democratic party itself operates the way it does.

Because it is the “right” thing to do

They don’t. They just want to not spend money on something Trump supports. It’s not a Democratic trait only. Both parties are about people not ideas anymore. Which is why Republicans are pushing for bigger government and Democrats are fighting for less spending. Neither believes in anything other than being contrary

But non citizens can’t vote

Not only this, but they accepted cartel money and are very likely frequent customers of the human and sex traffickers.

Why do russians think spamming this cancer is in any way useful or influencing?

Another thing to consider is the fact that before we had the border security and mass deportations we have today most Mexicans came into this country, worked for a little while and then went back home. Tougher immigration policies have obvisously made it harder for them to come and go so they just end up staying here

Why do republicans insist on wasting tax dollars?

Now you know why they are scared shitless of requiring an ID to cast a vote.

That’s simply not true

they dont, everyone wants border security
only trump wats a big ol wall to make his retard voters happy
> big wall me safe from brown rapist

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Mexicans aren’t coming here. People for centeral and South America are. They are just coming through Mexico.

It's unlimited free votes. It's like free real estate but brown people from the turd world

it's like an actual 13 year old was behind this post

>they dont, everyone wants border security

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Borders are a social construct

Even if true, user, their children who're American citizens the second they're born on our soil will inevitably and they still trend voting liberal/democrat.

That has to do with the fact that legal minorities have a lower participation in IDs. There have been very few incidents of illegal immigrants voting. Less than 100 in the past 50 years. Those people were also all caught. There have been numerous attempts to find it and they have all come up empty

Why does the right want to separate children form there mothers could it be something to do with the Chinese pedo parlor that was just busted and whose madam was pictured with trump in mar a lago. Makes you think.

But they don’t vote so that argument is invalid

Are you dumb? Do you think there's some law in America preventing brown people from voting?

While true, irrelevant. Just because something is a human convention doesn't make it wrong or bad.

No, just behind the push for a faggy wall.

Also not true

Hispanics tend to hold many conservative ideas due to their religion and racism against black people

scholars.org/brief/why-republican-immigrant-bashing-may-not-push-many-latinos-vote-democrats

>Why do criminals who commit crimes get separated from their kids
Great question

they voted for trump cause he fucked his own daughter and they like the man who does what they want to do.

Bk but there is a law that prevents noncitizens from voting

Why are right wingers becoming the new terrorist group?

I just want my North and South American brothers and sisters to live in peace and harmony within a communist union

Democrats don’t want open borders. Trump wants an open relationship though.

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We're not talking about individuals. Sure, there can be an individual latino who is deeply religious and deeply entrenched in conservative politics. Just like there can be a black person walking down the street wearing a MAGA hat.

Sure.

That does nothing to refute the *TREND*. The *TREND* is that latin americans vote liberal/democrat--not all, but most--enough for democrats to be interested, clearly.

for votes to keep power and their massive salaries and perks

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It's crazy right? A man who raises and loves his kids, something that is foreign and out of the norm for niggers and nigger lovers like you

Not a Democrat, but have you seen how beautiful the women south of the border are? Also burritos

Further generations of south American immigrants tend to be conservative though. You're talking about immigrants from retrograde, catholic, conservative countries so this argument makes zero sense and isn't borne out in the data

Why do red states accept so many handouts from the coasts? Are they Mexi-niggers too?

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Whay can't fascists articulate questions properly?

Which democrats? which borders? Which circumstances?

Shithead.

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not a Democrat but I vote Bernie here, I don’t want any borders. It’s an unnecessary complication to human life, just like representatives and capitalism. Direct democracy and direct economy all the way baby

>peace and harmony
>within a communist union
Based on attempts to do this in the past, you get to choose one of the above and only one.

>There have been very few incidents of illegal immigrants voting. Less than 100 in the past 50 years.
Exactly. Imagine just how many got by because of no ID requirement.
Also literally all the world requires that. America is soooooooo out of date in everything.

What fascists?
How did you detect the one making the op, if that is in fact what they are?

My nigga

the united states democrats literally just passed a law stating otherwise.

and immigrants vote in states like california all the time.

Only because America has a hate boner for commies and invades them with CIA spooks / contras / muhjaheddin

Actually none of that is true, and I have provided exactly as much evidence of that fact as you have provided for your baseless assertion

So the USSR failed because of American interference?
Give it some credit user, it failed on its own merit.

The “trend” is not a real one. Sure Latinos who vote go Democrat now but the fact is most simply don’t vote. That’s the trend. They hold conservative views so refuse to vote Democrat and won’t vote for those that bash them. Republicans don’t need them and Democrats can’t seem to win them over. That’s what the research has shown. Don’t listen to talking heads you say otherwise without backing it up.

The Weimar Republic failed too, does capitalism not work either?

The UCSA would be the most successful communist system ever because it wouldn’t have to worry about the US sabotaging it

Nazi germany failed. Does that mean fascism doesn’t work?

let's see..

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I can't tell if I'm being trolled or you're a legit propagandist.

Be that as it may, sure, most don't vote, as do most people in general--wholly immaterial to the issue at hand.

Even if it were the case that 7 out of 10 latinos simply didn't vote at all, but 2 of the 3 that did voted democrat it'd still be a benefit for the liberals/democrats and the actual numbers are a fair bit better (or worse, depending) than that.

Lol at all these people saying communism doesn’t work without providing any other alternative. Maybe you’re the reason communism has trouble, maybe we should make communism separate from your whinging, maybe we should put you in gulags to give you some time to re-evaluate your position

Well since the Weimar Republic was also an authoritarian rule, it failed based on similar mechanics to how the USSR failed.
So what you are saying is Make the USSR Great Again?
Yes, authoritarian states, be they communist or fascist, come with a sell by date where they eventually fail.

if you pay taxes here you should be able to vote. It’s as simple as that. No taxation without representation.

name one nonauthoritarian state lol

go ahead I’ll wait

I don’t debate the fact that voter id is not a bad thing. I debate the NEED for it. Republicans have for YEARS been trying to find evidence of voter fraud and have come up empty. There will be reports that “thousands may have voted illegally”. Then at the conclusion of the investigation they find zero people voted illegally and the country just had back records of who could vote. Like in Texas where the AG is touting “58,000” non citizens may have voted but the fact has shown that its more a case of not keeping track of who has been naturalized which amounts to 50k a year.

What law? No state allows no citizens to vote. That is a flat out lie

The fucking republicans are just projecting again to cover up their own voter fraud. Many cases!

>maybe we should put you in gulags to give you some time to re-evaluate your position
That is why it fails, communism claims to be for the people, gain power and then decide the people it is for is the wrong kind of people. Then it oppresses them to all hell, starts breaking down through corruption, stories eventually make it out of said communist state and trade sanctions begin.
Then it breaks down, the people there become hyper capitalist from trauma, two decades go by and communism proponents expect everyone to forget the last attempt, in favor of a do-over.

R u telling me that conservatives don’t argue in good faith? WOW what a country!

Meanwhile the USA has more people in jail than the USSR ever did

They're all for it until they actually have to experience the effects. Their idealism crumbles when confronted by reality.

I’m not trolling I am providing empirical evidence to the contrary of what you are saying. You have provided noting but repeating what you heard from someone else who couldn’t prove the statement

US intervention?

The USSR had its issues, of course. But it also brought millions of people out of poverty and promised healthcare, education, and a decent job to its citizens

They don't exist, but there is a bunch of democracies that offer you the semblance of having a say in how things should function.
Since democratic states at least try to leave me to my own devices as long as I don't victimize anyone, I prefer them over authoritarian communist or fascist states that wants to control every aspect of my being.

To create more Democrats.

So you’re saying we should try democratic socialism like the DSA, Bernie and AOC promise

Thank you for your support

Kek, I'm an immigrant spic. Far from some liberal snowflake.
My parents did what they had to do to make a better life for us. Was it legal? No. Did they take advantage of the broken-ass American system? Yes.
Did they put their part in to actually work and not be welfare, lazy fucks? Yeah.
Now that I've landed here, I'm glad. They did it for us- otherwise I'd be some cholo selling dope and raping women back in (what would be) my native country.
I'm grateful, and I'm sure not to squander it needlessly on some bullshit, corporatized path/mindset.

ITT

>Who needs facts when you have feelings

Someone needs to form the new base of America, the republican death cult is eating its own and it wants to build a wall around the whole country so nobody can escape the republican cannibal holocaust

Makes conservatives reee? It's fine by me!

just hippies trying to make people happy by taking away their freedoms, destroying the economy, and pointing guns at everyone while trying to brainwash children with new television and education mandates.

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Yes, the US privately owned commercial prison system is also bad.
The US isn't USSR or Nazi Germany bad on the authoritarian scale, but it's moving towards it if current politics are any indication.
It's a crapshoot whether the right or the left gets into that spot first though.

>sanctions

It’s amazing how people just throw that word around as if sanctions don’t routinely cause vulnerable people to die

What freedoms have the left taken?

What have they done to ruin the economy?

What television and education mandates?

Sounds like you have a fence post shoved up your ass and you’re shitting down both sides

in b4 more rhetoric and bullshit in reply to this post

>how dare you look at something objectively and not just buy into the cult of the right or left in which there are no ideals just people telling you what to beleive

>hippies pointing guns

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I largely agree, honestly.

Empirical evidence means physical evidence and you've provided no such thing.

The statement that latinos in general tend to not vote is true, but only insofar that the general public doesn't vote either--it's a non-point.

As for the latinos who do vote and who they tend to favor, here you go, pic related.

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In b4

>they are talking my guns

Despite the fact that gun sales and ownership have been increasing over the past 2 years

Bernie perhaps, but AOC isn't a social democrat like Bernie is, she's just kind enough to let you vote on whether the state should take all of your shit and transition into a authoritarian socialist shithole.
I'm from one of the Scandinavian countries Bernie calls socialist, so I know from experience that he's wrong on that point.
They're social democracies, that has tax payed public institutions, taxes which people can afford by working in capitalist trades.

Empirical evidence is evidence from observation and research. I provided an article that was peer reviewed and based on research

scholars.org/brief/why-republican-immigrant-bashing-may-not-push-many-latinos-vote-democrats

sounds like you have a lot riding on your neutrality, like it’s a rather large portion of your identity.

I’ll tell you this though, I can move that fence and you’ll go wherever I want you too. Centrists have no real beliefs

What can I say, I'm a non-conformist left of center anarchist, no matter what arguments you are using in order to sell me your authoritarian regime be they left or right, I ain't buying.

You are providing evidence a priori

I am providing evidence a posteriori

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about, if jobs paid enough for all that we wouldn’t need Bernie Sanders

Because what you aim to do will accomplish nothing. Building the wall will not stop drugs cartel use tunnels and drones. The only thing building a wall will accomplish is costing tax payers money, and making it hard on legal immigrants. Fuck the wall we dont need it.

if they voted Trump, they'd be allowed

typical authoritarian thinking

That guy wasn't me, my reply to your centrist accusation is here

You didn't.
I posted a graph from how they voted. You posted a source on how they *may* vote in the future.

you’re buying something right now, you’re buying America and wherever I can make America into you’ll buy that too. You’re not brave enough to leave or start your own nation, so you get what daddy feeds you

more authoritarian than your republican party's style of governing?

what lacquer are you drinking, dude..?

That is why I doubt him getting in power and enacting social policies like the ones here, your country is too big to have them function. Individual states might be able to do it, but your federation would grind to a halt from the bureaucracy involved in overseeing all states.

Republicans are retarded. They’ve been made retarded by coal burning power plants and Fox news

the president isn't a Democrat

how about you stay the fuck out of American politics Ollie

Currently.

Move that fence and I'll still be where I am.
You're either brainwashed or hypnotized. Not much of a choice is it?
You'll still be fed your own ideals and mores, meanwhile I can stand in between and laugh at the ongoing war between the two.
Enjoy playing a part in the tearing apart of this already crumbling country, faggot

I do not agree wit open borders

They’re setting up the next lie for when trump is out of office. Trust me on this, it’s gonna be the post trump talking point:

“trump was once a democrat”

Latin means genius. Listen to this nigger. He knows a dead language, kek

read

I don't live in the US though, I'm providing an outside view that criticizes your left vs right dichotomy and the tribal authoritarian bull you espouse while having the temerity to make claims to the label liberal.
I mean heck, you're a self-proclaimed lefty, telling me to conform or face gulag time, which isn't liberal thinking at all.

>centrists have no real beliefs

Who told you this? Beliefs are what makes someone a centrist. Are there people who are contrarians who would insist on the middle no matter what? Yes. Is that the majority of the center? No.

If I am for less government spending which party is that? The one that spends it on social programs or the one that spends it on the military?

If I am for less government interference in my personal life? The one that wants to tell me who I can marry or get high on or entertainment I can consume or the one who wants to tell me what I can eat or who I have to associate with?

If I am for the free market? The one who promotes protectionist policies that hurt the market or the one that promotes regulatory rules that do?

keep telling yourself that

oh, pic related. get off Yea Forums and use the internet if you care so much

How about you stay the fuck out of American politics then

Sure, just as soon as your president sneezing doesn't mean the price on herring will dip where I live.

The topic is why the democrats want open borders. The topic isn't if immigrants from latin america are lazy or otherwise bad people.

Sounds like a good argument against borders :^)

you got it mixed up.

It's less about people being for "open" borders. It's more about not spending billions of dollars on an ineffective suggestion to combat illegal immigration. I'm all for having a process for entry into the country, but only idiots believe a physical wall would do anything other than stand as a racist icon.

I tend to prefer dynamic-interactionistic models over static ones in the psychology of personalities.

You posted a chart of how those that do vote tend to. That has nothing to do with illegal immigration since illegal immigration don’t vote. I provided research for how the future might vote based on empirical research. Which is relevant since that pertains to their “anchor babies” who will be citizens will tend to vote if the research holds true.

Statistics are bullshit. Statistically you are a Chinese peasant.

I meant to write 20

is right, Centrism and moderate positions are more of a result of the overton window, and less about a cohesive stance--which, IMO, is a good thing.

Someone is not right or "more right" in their thinking just because they're a partisan hack.

Oh so now that I offer you opposition while donning the lefty label, you suddenly become nationalist and tell me to butt out?
I thought you wanted open borders like your fellow USSR enthusiasts.

Drug runners already tunnel under existing barriers on the southern border. Republicans are just retarded and racist

Read the prior comment you fucking sperg

Listen to this nigger who doesn’t know they those Latin terms are what delineate empirical evidence from anecdotal evidence

What?

No response? That's what I thought, sheepish troll.

If only you knew how sick things really are

If I wanted to oppress minorities and to tret wanted to make sure I could keep treating them badly

I'd surely also look for ways to keep them a minority.

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Yeah, no borders would be great, then multinational corporations could do what they want and break any semblance of living in a community down. Sounds great.
Almost as great as backing the EU turning into an empire with it's own army, because spending 5 minutes at the border showing off your passport is a hassle don'tcha know?

because most native born americans are hyper obese

Yes, and yours is an anectodal one, kek.

They are building a wall so they can deport the new England patriots.

No I don’t. Trump is using executive power to take private land and spend more federal money instead of allowing the states to exercise their power. This is antithetical to Republican ideals

Democrats are trying to limit government power due to the fact that a wall is viewed by them as a waste of money- this is antithetical to Democratic ideals.

Neither party stands for anything anymore.

You don’t know what anecdotal means do you?

>I'm all for having a process for entry into the country, but only idiots believe a physical wall would do anything other than stand as a racist icon.

We do have a process in place, and yet it's tossed aside daily.

Having a wall isn't racist by any goddamn means and how idiots twisted it as such is beyond me. Literal physical borders help to curb the flow; yeah, yeah, "But you just hate brown people!" Well, it's only brown people coming up from South America. You can't really choose the race of people coming here illegally.

And then there's the issue of people overstaying their visa, which is the majority of people here illegally. Say you want to curb that by limiting the number of visas allowed -- well, guess what? That's racist, too.

People want rules in place, but at the same time lament rules as racist.

God damn Mongolians, always tearing down my city wall.

Because they're neolib fucks who've been completely bought out by corporate interests. Republicans are the same, but are bought by slightly different companies.

One world governing.

I'm done with your goalpost shifts. Let's review:

1. I was not referencing "talking heads." I was referencing data points, such as that graph I pulled from the BBC.

Your red herring about the majority of latinos not voting is notwithstanding.

2. I demonstrated that there is a trend, currently, of latin americans voting democrat over republican.

3. You can't "observe" the future before it's happened. We're both engaging in *prediction.*

There is previous data that supports mine. While that doesn't preclude yours, citing a source that amounts to a supposition of how things *might* turn out is small recompense to how things are turning out here in the immediate present.

I've been consistent from the start while you've waffled around. The discussion is over.

Yeah, sure, buddy. The fact you didn't turn out one way has no barring on the way others in your demographic will.

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Your country is so strong, do not let others tell you otherwise. They fear you, and us - because they know we are far stronger than they, so they try to weaken us with subversion, with manipulation of the language - they will try to redefine ideas to fit their narrative. Do not even humour them. Your ideas are already defined do not let them waver.

- Do not engage with those who attempt to dissolve your language.
- Do not let them take your language.
- Do not let them take your language.
- Do not let them take your language.

Remember, they are scared. They will attempt all manner of provocation, just remember only a worm is scared of man.

Language is not political, language is not racist. Do not let them take your language, it is our means of procreating ideas, our means of sharing information without noise in the signal.
They will always try to inject noise into the information. They will always try to adapt the language.
Control the language control the ideas, control the ideas control the people.
Do not be controlled, not by anyone - but be conscious of language always - it is our fundamental gift, they know I am right because this is the same game they are playing - the only difference is that I am describing to you the rules of the game.

Also just to make sure, should I stay the fuck out of your politics because you're a nationalist or is it because I can offer reasons to why the Scandinavian model wouldn't function in the US?

Because they want votes, more votes, the more power they can give to themselves.

Kek, this ain't 1984, you fucking nigger.
And our language is already dying. Nonplussed reactions to a deteriorating mindset.

Same reason republicans want them. Cheap labor, uneducated constituents, and endless supply of people willing to give up freedom for gibs.

Plenty of cities (and some states) have passed laws allowing non citizens to vote. Hell a county in Commiefornia elected a non citizen to office.

Which never happens because liberals are fucking hypocrites and move anytime an area becomes too brown, while praising about how much they "love diversity"

>Why am I posing an idiotic straw man as a question?

Not op or even pro wall, but how is asking why some people want open borders an idiotic straw man?

because it's exactly the opposite of what is being forced into legislation by a crazed individual for a few months now

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>Not op or even pro wall, but how is asking why some people want open borders an idiotic straw man?
Because OP's loaded phrasing implies "open borders" is the official Democratic position, when in fact it's a pretty fringe opinion.
For example, none of the current 2020 Dem candidates endorse open borders.

And the people who oppose said crazed individual would want?
This is a better answer than the post above you, I concede your point.

>And the people who oppose said crazed individual would want?

not a wrong solution for problems of such broad variety of possible outcome for society as a whole (globally)

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While I can read that sentence, I am not sure what you mean by it.

sry if that made you feel uncomfortable :3

= the money should be spend on better plans to deal with the problems underlying migration

distribution of welth and oportunities for starters

legal immigration actually improves the economy.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! in 3-2-.

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Let the free market regulate immigrants

It didn't make me uncomfortable, it was more of a "I can see he is talking and I understand the individual words, but for the life of me I can't detect any concepts or ideas being conveyed".
You're still kind of talking like that, what wealth would be distributed and from where to whom?
Which opportunities do you mean and by what means do people gain access to them?

> distributed from where to whom
more homogeneously, lesser concentrated (regionally, individually, ..)
> opportunities
to live a fullfilling live even if that includes raising kids and letting them have access to education, food, health care, infrastructure, ..
> by what means do people gain access
depends on societal agreements

You're winding me up by using vague concepts that sound good at a cursory glance aren't ya?
I've asked you to be specific twice now and you haven't complied, I guess the shame is on me in that regard.

so they can get more voters to vote for them after they pander to them?

honestly a stupid question.

That's all I wanted, our interaction started out with me playing devils advocate and trying to figure out what ideas and concepts you were trying to convey.
I'm a left of center antiauthoritarian anarchist myself, we probably have a bunch of opinions in common.
But we never got to that, because of your acting in a manner that I perceived as being vague in self defense, in an attempt to preempt an ideological attack from me.

I know that, I'm saying these people who say the wall is racist are fucking stupid and are racist as fuck themselves. They probably assume any hispanic is either illegal or has family members that are illegal, or any black person they meet didn't have a dad growing up. These people are racist as hell and I'm sick of their two faced bullshit.

funny how the cookie crumbles, from time to time

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Yeah.

twitch.tv/mayhemgaming this guy is telling the truth about all this

I’m not sure I would trust this . The ones who were caught had voted many times and that’s why they were caught. Several immigrants just assume the identity of an American that passed away . Look through the obituary for someone same age go to s.s. Office get card , then go to health department and get copy of b.c. Then off to the dmv or tag agency . There have been several cases of people who died and are still voting . But the funds and the desire to catch these is lacking . Part of the reason for not wanting a citizenship question on the census . With accurate figures they could get a rough idea of how many were voting illegally

If only the immigrants would vote republican

they'd get invitations of you fucks