I've had sex with upwards of thirty trans women. My feelings about it have been violently mixed...

basically non-passable trans women who can't pass as porn stars are absolutely garbage and will never have a happy life

Please see:

Your words, not mine. I don't think they're "garbage" or that happiness is inaccessible to them. I think that their bodies create very steep, possibly insurmountable obstacles to getting the dating life they deserve.

whose the girl in the pic

Bailey Jay

he

She.

Trans women are definitely women, but like all women, there are gonna be times you wake up and go “oh fuck I put my dick in THAT?”

Whether it’s an ass-ugly cis woman or a mannish trans women, you have a type, and that’s not something you can control. Keep fucking all of the hot women you want whether or not they’ve gotta dick, I know I will be.

OP is a fag lol

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*cough* C H R O M O S O M E S

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geniouse

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Damn, who is this?

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bump

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What city do you live in? How do you meet so many? Are they escorts? What's the best looking one you've been with? Do you go raw? Do you finish them off?

I'm in California. I meet them on dating sites and Grinder mostly. I never go raw, with trans women or cis women.

oh cool I'm also in CA (Socal)
I've been wanting to hook up with a trans woman but I don't know where to meet them and hook up.
Do they expect you to finish them? or are they usually only bot?

I'm jealous of you op, I think trans women are fucking hot. No idea how to meet/fuck them tho. GG

I didn’t read all of that. But I’ll agree trans woman are a great fuck. They understand how to please a cock because they have one

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Why would anyone feel guilty for your sexual preference/activities

You're human dude. We all are. Just a more sophisticated society of ants. You put your cock instead men that like to act like women. You dont lose any credibility for that.

Seriously so fucking hot. Bailey is the only tgirl id fuck

I meet most of them online. Grinder, doublelist, transgenderdate.com, fetlife, tinder, okcupid. /soc/ is worth looking at too. It's both very easy and very, very fucking hard to get dates with them.

this tranny could get it ez

Most are bottoms but still use their dicks somehow. A minority are full tops. I don't know if they "expect" it, it's something I like doing so it's never been a point of contention.

Lots and lots of trans women in SoCal. You shouldn't have too much trouble.

Do you go on dates with them? or straight to the bed room? As you mentioned the masculine voice is a turn off , how bad does that get?

None of that shit matters at the end of the day, do what makes you happy dude. Sometimes the finest pleasures in life are those left undeciphered. Possibly consider writing more about your feelings too, you poetic well spoken motherfucker

It can be bad. Most of the time it's not a huge issue. I go on dates sometimes but more often it's straight to sex.

Thanks user.

>I fucked upwards of 30 guys with mental illness.
>FTFY

Bailey Jay is now just a fad dude that needs a haircut

Not to sound offensive but do you pay any of them? Also what race do you notice most being?

fat dude*

I've paid twice. Paid for my first time, which I have mixed feelings about, and then paid for it another time just out of frustration. That I do regret. The rest were free.

Racially, it's pretty evenly mixed. Equal proportions black, Asian and Hispanic with slightly fewer whites.

I feel yah, I'm at the point where I wouldn't mind paying but to be honest , don't know how much I should pay and where to find them.

Are you trying to find non-prostitute trans girls though? I would definitely hold off on hookers unless there's really no other option.

Like any sensible person I'd rather not pay for something if I can get it for free but I feel by paying it gives the implication that I'm only interested in a hook up. Also I'll be honest my social skills aren't the best, I don't have game.

I can definitely sympathize.

Honestly, if you really just want the liberty to sexually experiment (am I correct that you haven't been with a trans woman before?) then a prostitute might not be a bad idea. Just be cautious. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. There are lots of scammers and untrustworthy girls out there. The STD incidence is extremely high as well, so definitely use protection.

Depending on where you look, there are a lot of trans women who are only looking for sex. Grinder and Doublelist should be your go-tos.

You don't need game with trans women. That's one of the most significant differences between them and cis women. They are more emotional and more feminine in their thinking than men but far more straightforward than cis women. A lot of the time, setting up a hookup is purely transactional. You show me yours, I show you mine, we set up a time and a place, etc.

I should say - you don't need game with trans women when they're just looking to fuck. Dating is obviously more complicated and I don't want to imply that there are no considerations for them other than physical ones.

Correct ,I've never hooked up with a trans woman.

Thanks for the good tips.

Also another thing that freaks me out about paying is that it might be law enforcement or the exact opposite and I might get mugged and robbed.

I think I'll def try one of those sites.

I honestly think they would be so good at giving head. Just to make sure since I want to be safe, Do you use a condom for BJs? Also protection to eat that booty hole?
Do you make out with them?

Yes, I make out with them. I typically don't use condoms for oral but that's probably a bad thing. I absolutely would with a prostitute, though. I don't eat ass so no advice there.

Couple of tips about Grinder and Doublelist - "roses" and "gen" are code for them being hookers. Diamond emojis and the word "party" are code for meth. You'll see both a ton. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

So Anons whats the best ways to date or even just attempt to have sex with trans women?
Ive come to the conclusion that they are just what im into and i want to bite the bullet and give it a try.
Only ever been into the hyper feminine ones and even before i discovered trans i was into fake boobs and i want to experience the whole lot.
Any advice?

First, decide which you're looking for - dates or sex. Two totally different strategies and I'll give you advice based on how you answer.

Sorry for all the questions dude.

Have you ever been in a trans 3sum?

Also once you hook up with someone are you done? or do you have multiple hook ups.

Do transwoman care about dick size a lot? I got an average pecker but girthy

Trans women are not women. They're men, and you're a closet faggot.

I feel like dating one would be so cool , esp if their into the same things most dudes are into, like anime and video games.

This.

He. You dumb faggot

Wrong, but nice bigotry, you uneducated cunt.

>I'm heterosexual
>only attracted to women
>I've had sex with upwards of thirty men in pink
son, you're gay-by-proxy. sugarcoat it all you want, it won't change the fact that you fuck men. Pretending they're women is a coping-mechanism that you use to tell yourself you're actually "straight" because you're attracted to femininity in first hand.

if it's so enjoyable with femininity, why not get the real girl? since it's obviously not the cock that turns you on...

Nope. They're men

(You) need to go back to school

faggot, that is all

No problem man, I earned this knowledge the hard way so I'm happy to share it.

Yes, I was in one trans threesome. It could have been better, but just because one of the girls wasn't that attractive and sat most of it out anyway.

In terms of followup, it depends. With the hot ones, I often try to meet up again but get flaked. There have been exceptions. I've had a couple long-term FWB's that were really hot.

Yes, trans women care about dick size. It can be a real dealbreaker. Play up the girth. Take very flattering (but not misleading) photos. I am pretty average and have still had decent luck, but sometimes not being hung loses me (us) sex.

big gay

Just ignore the trolls

K, fuck you too.

You need to be killed

Nope. They're men

I fuck non-trans women as well. Eat my balls.

ok, you are ignored

I'm not trolling. They're literally men. Dumb ass Californian faggots.

I think dating one would create more issues than anything that im not ready for. Unless they were 100% passable no questions asked.
Im heavily leaning towards just sleeping with to see how i go. At the minute its still basically a fetish haven't acted on.

>I've had sex with upwards of thirty trans women.
you mean Men, you had sex with lots of dudes.

this.

hi is this a trap thread?

I got a big thing for feet. How are the feet on these transwoman? Are they big AF and manly looking or cute and painted?

No just a bunch of faggots in denial

Great, finding dates and relationships is easier than finding hookups.

I recommend OKCupid and transgenderdate.com as starting points. Transgenderdate is pay to play but is worth it in your case. On OKCupid, you can filter for trans women.

Make it clear that you're genuinely looking for a relationship. Take flattering photos and show your face. Be respectful, don't be overly sexual, be a little bit corny. Ask them out. Do the cliche shit like offering to pay for meals, holding the door for them. Basically, just communicate with your actions that you really do consider them women and are serious about getting to know them.

You'll have a ton of options, because that's very rare for them.

You can find relationship-oriented trans women on Grinder, Tinder and other dating apps as well.

if people having different opinions than you makes you angry or insecure, you need therapy

so why go and fuck men then? girls lacking a certain bodypart perhaps? not gonna judge you (it's your kink). but im genuinely interested in the logical process behind men's reasons to justify fucking other men and rejecting they gay-label

here's your reply, attentionwhore

Actually check this out, I don't mean that.

Because they're not men. You can huff and puff and give yourself an anal prolapse screaming "THEIRY'E FUCKEN DUDES BRO" at the internet all day but it doesn't change the fact that they're fundamentally different than people who are born men and continue to identify as male their whole life.

>Because I'm heterosexual, and I'm only attracted to women
No, you're obviously not. You're gay and you should just accept it.

female on shemale is heterosexual.

male on shemale is gay.

I still live at home, So I'd need to go to a hotel or something. Do you have any experience with this? I don't want to scare them off thinking I'm going to murder them lol

Damn dude, what a profound and new insight.

When I first started hooking up with trans girls I actively sought out men to fuck to see if I was bisexual. I'm not. Fucking men is disgusting to me. Fucking trans women is not. I wish I were bisexual. I truly do. It would make life much, much, much fucking easier. I'm not.

Yes, I lived at home briefly. You can still go on dates with them. Most will be accepting of it. If you need somewhere to have sex, hopefully you can go to their place. You can also fuck in your car or in public. Or, yes, get a hotel.

Because they're men. You can huff and puff and give yourself an anal prolapse screaming "THEY AIN'T FUCKEN DUDES BRO" at the internet all day but it doesn't change the fact that they're fundamentally not different than people who are born men and continue to identify as male their whole life.

How many trans women do you know? How many trans women have you fucked? How much time have you spent having the most intimate possible contact with them and talking to them? I'm guessing none, and that you're clinging to little bits of rhetorical flotsam that have made it into your bloodstream from the shittiest most retarded parts of the internet. Holding onto the utterly fucking stupid oversimplification of "they're just dudes man" because you're unable or unwilling to cope with the complexity of reality.

Soo...nice one Elon Musky..!

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I'm going to need a souce on this

It was awesome talking to you dude, thanks for all the tips. I'm definitely going to try it. I wish there was a way we could keep in touch so I could get more wisdom but these trolls would def get that info. Well goodnight dude stay safe

If you were heterosexual, you would have sex with women and not seeking to fuck assholes with a flopping dick in the front.

Not whoring for attention. Just trying to help these indoctrinated retards understand that these people are biologically men.

Good luck, man. Hope it helps. And yeah, I would keep in touch but I don't want the knuckle draggers on my phone.

"How can I support them and believe in them and defend them and simultaneously be so unnerved by their bodies?"

I'm sure if you fucked a granny you'd be unnerved by her body, that doesn't mean it's hypocritical to support the rights of old people.

WOW MAN I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY

Spot on

biological sex (of which intersex exists too) is not the same as gender lol

It's not an opinion if it's true. They're men. Fuck whatever you want I don't care. Just get your shit together.

They're still men with plastic tits.

not gonna sperg & call mean things (not my style), but the thing is; they are men. either they still got a dick or they mutilated it to look like a pussy. they are still born male.

the thing i wonder is this: why is it so important to keep the 'straight' label? what is the issue with being gay?

t. community college wankers

Even if they're biologically male doesn't mean they can't transition into women (gender).

Imagine being indoctrinated by a bunch of idiots who think opinions are the truth

>why is it so important to keep the 'straight' label?

I agree with the points you made but you would be stupid to call yourself anything but straight if you only like girls and traps. Woman and traps will like you more if they think you are straight, and it keeps masculine/normal men away from you.

Whos this?

They can't. They can just try to look like one. You can't change your chromosomes. To be a woman would imply that you have the organs that have the ability to reproduce life.

So, I live in South Florida. I'm assuming the trap scene down here must be the same way as it is in California. Let me get this straight:
>OKCupid
>Take flattering pics and not be overly sexual
>take them out on dates (Will people see me IRL?)
Is this what it takes to find a trap and have fun?

>You can't change your chromosomes.
Gender isn't defined by those, dingus.

Being a "man" or a "woman" is not as simple as having a penis or a vagina.

I'm not attached to being straight. I don't feel straightness has inherent value over other sexual categories. It's just the truth. As I said previously, I purposefully had sex with men to see if I was bisexual and found it very unarousing. I'm attracted to female features only, except dicks, which I realize is paradoxical. Can't give a full account of why that is (DURR ITS CUZ UR A FAG, FAG). But male-ness is sexually repellent to me.

imagine being a redneck retard. science leans left. progress is called progress for a reason. deal with it.

Not op but I will give you the most important advice when it comes to banging traps. NEVER mention that you have an interest in their dick. NEVER!

>Being a "man" or a "woman" is not as simple as having a penis or a vagina.
This

Those were my recommendations to a guy who was looking for a long-term relationship with a trans woman. Is that what you're looking for, or are you looking for sex only?

>I've had sex with upwards of thirty trans women
>sex with... trans women
>trans women

You're fucking guys

This is true but only at the outset. Most trans women use their dicks but just don't want it to be the only thing about them you're attracted to.

Fuck off

So basicaly you're a faggot who's been with thirty mentaly unstable men that think tucking their dicks between their legs makes'em a woman? Lmao, you're so far up in the closet you damn homo

You're a brain dead retard. Most of your fake science is bought and payed for, and is a stab in the back to real science. You're on the wrong side of history with your dumb ass views.

Eat shit

Thanks for the heads-up.
Probably a couple week long relationship... mainly to fuck.

Transgendered women are still men. Deal with it.

Quit being in denial and just accept it. Nobody cares what you do.

so you fucked a person with a dick...i have news for you buddy, you're a faggot

"It's ma'am!"

If I'm trying to sell it something I'll call it whatever it wants.

you do realise you're fucking a person that has a dick? Thats literary the end of the story for you....being sick in the head doesnt change gender and the fact that you're a gigantic faggot

i'm not telling any of you how to live your lifes. be happy in your own way. i'm merely intrigued by the subject and try to have nice conversations in a civil manner.

it kinda does. the only thing you're able to adjust is pure cosmetically. you may look like a girl and act like a girl, but it's just imitation (although some are very good at it), since you have no idea what a girl thinks/feels because you where born male.

but 'straight' is a label for cis-men who likes cis-women and vice versa. if you don't fall into that category, you're a faker that wants the benefit from belonging to the norm without the demands.

>Being a "man" or a "woman" is not as simple as having a penis or a vagina.
yes it is. straight is not a sexual preference it's a category of people. if you don't feel straight, you probably aren't (good for you), so why label yourself with something that isn't true?

Ok, then I recommend taking a different approach. Use Grinder and Doublelist primarily. Tinder third (use super likes for trans girls).

Take very flattering, good photos, both clothed and unclothed. Including face photos.

Grinder - either set the face pic as your profile pic or send it with your first message. If their profile makes it clear they're looking for sex, you can go sexual quickly. Otherwise, don't be horny out of the gate.

Doublelist - same deal, send face pic when responding to ads. Also post your own ad, because you'll get responses from different girls.

With both - screen thoroughly but don't stall. If something seems really weird to you, bail. Try to reverse image search their pics if they seem too good to be true. Watch for red flags that they're tweakers or hookers. The word "party" and diamond emojis mean meth. Anything to do with flowers or "gen / generous" means hooker. If you're meeting up in private for sex, get them to take a face pic doing something weird that they couldn't fake. Like, have them hold up a certain number of fingers in front of their face, or similar.

To make it ongoing, fuck them well and also say at some point that you want something ongoing. That's it.

No it's not. And I do feel straight. That's the entire point of my post, and what I've said in all my responses.

You're still fucking guys though

Eat my shit

I'm fucking trans women.

>if you don't fall into that category, you're a faker that wants the benefit from belonging to the norm without the demands.

So what? I'd rather be a lying faker than get approached by disgusting gay men looking for assholes to play in because some people care too much about labels.

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seriously, accept the fact that you're gay.....if a person you had sex with, has a dick hanging down, theres no other way to say it. F A G G O T.

Seriously, eat my shit

> i do feel straight
You fucked over 30 guys, you're not straight...but you know what you are? Deluded, hiding in the closet and most likely mentaly unstable

god damn, I wanna fuck 30 hot trans guys

guys btw cuz i'm comfortable with being bisexual while not being attracted to the traditional male physique.

it's ok to come out of the closet.

im sure you'd like that homo

Yes, indeed, I am so deluded that I purposefully had sex with men as well as with trans women to test the hypothesis that I might be bisexual. Then I found out that I am not sexually attracted to men. Very closeted behavior. Very delusional of me to continue maintaining that I'm straight when I know from experience that I'm not attracted to men.

Dude its no point arguing with them. Lets be real here, you're never gonna convince most people you are straight after fucking 30 trannies. Use whatever label you want and call it a day.

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Why shame? Just fuck whoever you want. If you don't feel attracted to a less passable trans that's okay. But why shame?

Eat it up, bitch

>I haven't gone public with the fact that I do it
you don't have to do that ever. no matter who you sleep with, dumbass
your sexuality and who you are attracted to doesn't have to be public

I know they're not going to be convinced. I just hate them, is all.

In fringe cases, sure, but there's far more and always increasing evidence of the two being directly linked for the overwhelming majority of humans, and that the rise in sudden onset gender disphoria and the explosion of people, especially young people, identifying as trans is actually down to exist physiologicalproblems and a culture of grooming that's been allowed to fester in the education systems of western societies.

Gender is very real and almost entirely binary and biologically, causally linked. Messing with that when there isn't a problem, which is increasingly looking to be what modern society is doing in it's rush to be as kind and accepting as possible, is most likely going to end up doing far more damage to more people than it helps.

I'm all for trans rights and making a more fair, open and tolerant world, but I genuinely think the current fashion for rejecting societal norms, downplaying the link between sex and gender and treating a shared group identity as some immutable absolute that trumps individuality as if it's some sacred moral absolute is incredibly dangerous for everyone.

For instance, there's a very strong link between people identifying as trans and people who suffer from autism, and in 80% of cases both conditions cease once the individual gets into their twenties. Yet we increasing treat those identifying as trans with both hormonal treatments and permanently body altering surgery in their teens and even to a certain extent as children.

Trans individuals 100% need to have there rights and medical needs respected, and to be treated the same as anyone else, but there definitely needs to be serious conversations about what is actually the best way to approach people who claim to have the condition and how what treatments will actually work best for them long term.

you are trying to use the argument that 1+1=1, according to the logic of taking one pile of sand and pour it onto another one. 99,9% can be rounded off to 100%, but it still technically isn't. same thing with being straight. either you're 100% straight or you're queer (i think this is the right word for sexual ambiguity).

but you are fucking men, of course they'll assume you're gay/bi. tell those dudes you're only into girly femboys. because that's your preference (if i understood you correctly). are not obliged to give out free bj's just because you're not straight.

On one level I agree with you, but on another I think it's only fair that I do. It's easy for me to opt out of the political and cultural struggle around transgenderism because I'm not transgender. But I feel bad getting a free pass in that way when it's something I care about.

Nope. They're men

Technically trans guys are actually women who want to be men.

>but you are fucking men, of course they'll assume you're gay/bi. tell those dudes you're only into girly femboys.

Or just say I'm straight and never have to deal with them in the first place. Its not a big deal. Woman lie and say they are lesbians to keep thirsty men away all the time, its just a fucking label.

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Shame in the specific context of not being public about being trans-attracted. I've felt that way for so long because my sexual experiences created a lot of mixed and conflicting feelings. It's been very hard to come to the self-understanding in the original post.

you had sex with men who can accept they're faggots and then you had sex with men who are so sick in the head they pretend they're women even tho they have dicks. All because you dont wanna accept the fact that you're a homo. Guess what, im straight and i fucked biological women with biological vaginas and natural tits and my girlfriend is an actual woman...just in case you needed a reminder what a straight person fucks, my women dont have schlongs hanging down

Thanks for this kindergarten-level dissertation, fuckface.

What are you talking about with the sand?

isn't that sexual appropriation? and doesn't that kinda make you a hypocrite? one one hand you're queer and on the other hand you pretend to be straight to fend of gay men. that's can't be healthy for you, mentally

that's what it sound like to me when i hear that sex isn't as simple as genitals

since you're acting like a total retard, i felt I needed to come down on your level. Are we clear, that no matter how you try to hide it, you just like cock? Because if you wouldnt be gay, you'd go for something that has a vagina...hows that for being simple?

The argument is that gender isn't as simple as genitals.

Wew lad, fuck all that shit. I can tell you right now you won't win that struggle. Most people will never see trannies and the guys that fuck them as anything but fags. You fell for the "make a big fuss about your sexuality meme". Ever notice how woman aren't expected to go public about having rape fantasies or wanting to be abused? Yeah, because its there business, and so is your tranny fucking. You're getting roped into a bullshit struggle perpetuated by people who feel the need to share their sexual deviancy with the world.

I also fuck women with vaginas. For example: your girlfriend.

>isn't that sexual appropriation? and doesn't that kinda make you a hypocrite?

I don't give a fuck. I will do anything to keep thirsty gay men from hitting on me. Take your high moral bullshit and shove it up your ass.

Look I see your point. I don't think it's a "sexual deviancy" but there's validity to what you're saying. But if I ever wound up in a relationship with a trans woman, I cannot imagine looking her in the eye and telling her that I wouldn't go public about dating a trans woman, if she asked me to.

well that was fucking pathethic....just like that failed attempt to hide the fact, that you're a faggot who loves cock.

So at best you're bisexual

> i only like gay thirsty men when they pretend they're women....you know, cuz im straight

Trap here. This is the correct way of looking at it without all the dismorphia and suicide. Men dressed as girls is cute no need to chop anything off.

>that's still sand talk to me
the idea of gender being a social construction, is itself a social construction. it doesn't exist outside the minds of it's believers.

i'm not talking about morality. i just wondered how it affects you to be a faker

What is it if youre only attracted to straight dudes? Gay dudes are gross tbh

How many STDs have you collected over the course of those 30 trans "women"

Dude roasties fuck nigs 2 at a time and youre over here trashing my virginal boifu

Zero.

>i just wondered how it affects you to be a faker

I don't give a fuck. I know what you're getting at, but this has nothing to do with wanting to fit in or homophobia, I just genuinely have no interest in having faggots think I'm interested in them and trying to convince me to have sex with them. If woman could somehow keep thirsty men from chasing them everywhere, they would do the exact same thing. I have fully embraced the closet and I have no regrets.

> ''just hide your dick and we can pretend you're a woman, then its okay for you to hit on me', because im straight, ill only suck your dick with the lights off anyways....because im straight''
This is some comedy gold right here....you realy have some severe mental issues

>But if I ever wound up in a relationship with a trans woman, I cannot imagine looking her in the eye and telling her that I wouldn't go public about dating a trans woman, if she asked me to.

I feel you on that. I guess I never thought about it from the perspective of actually dating them, then you pretty much have to defend their honor.

Being with that many people in general has to have at least given you one STD. When was the last time you got tested? If you haven't been tested, how do you know you have zero STDs?

I know I have zero STDs because I get regularly tested.

i mean, he's fucking dudes all the time, of course he's getting tested regularly, he's a good faggot.

Eat my shit and piss.

To have slept with over 30, you must have chosen to seek them out specifically to the exclusion of females. That's probably something you should consider when describing your sexuality.

>I have fully embraced the closet
so you are gay/bi/queer then. you obviously feel bad, have anger & frustration. can't be easy to live a lie in fear being outed and possibly shamed.

i obviously don't agree with your sexual preferences, but i think it's bullshit that you should be forced to live in the closet.

i also find it interesting that you put the blame on gay men. i've never though of that perspective before and the more i think of it, the more it makes sense. or are straight guys also being assholes?

Why the fuck would it be to the exclusion of "females," by which I assume you mean non trans women?

Are you one of those people that is content with saying ''no homo'' after sex with a dude and be content with the fact that that phrase makes you straight?

he means actual healthy and natural women with....ya know, vaginas?

No, I am not one of those people that is content with saying "no homo" after sex with a dude and be content with the fact that the phrase makes me straight.

You're really fucking tedious

then why pretend you're not a gigantic faggot who fucked over 30 men?

>an't be easy to live a lie in fear being outed and possibly shamed.

No I really don't care. If people find out I just have to deal with it. I love my sexuality, what I don't love is people I don't like hitting on me. That's why I'm so glad I wasn't born a woman, they have to deal with thirsty guys all the time, that seems like hell.

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Wow didn't see this one coming

I don't say this to hurt you and I think it is okay anyway, but you are clearly a gay in denial. Just shake those feelings of guilt and accept yourself as you are.

dude....just be free and admit you're a colossal faggot

I don't think this is clear at all. This is a long thread, so understandable if you didn't read what I wrote previously - I've had sex with men before because I wanted to know if I was bisexual. I hated it. I'm not attracted to men. I spent a period of my life actively wanting to be attracted to men because it would make my life much simpler. It didn't work. I'm not gay and I'm not in denial about being gay.

> I'm not gay and I'm not in denial about being gay
So i fucked over 30 dudes to confirm my non-faggot identity

I've fucked two men, to my recollection.

Lets pretend for a second that 30 trannies with DICKS are not.....well, man (who usualy have dicks). Fucking just ONE dude is enough to make you gay, fucking two def makes you gay and fucking 32 makes you a faggot :^)

have you ever fucked an inverted surgery vagina? i am genuinely interested in how they differ from real vaginas

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I'm going to stop responding to you now. I hope whatever in your life has made you this angry changes for the better. Best of luck.

Never have. Post-op trans women are very rare.

im not angry, im just having a good time laughing at your pathethic ass. You are a faggot, you always will be a schlong loving homo and if you ever get the chance, please kill yourself you mentaly unstable oxygen waster. Much love, bye.

so your main issue is with gay men, lacking social skills and overflowing with predatory behavior? this is amusing because all we hear about is straight men praying on girls, so obviously there's a similar issue in the lgbt community.

i think you're probably a pretty normal, cool guy and you don't sound like you're hyper-sexual to the point of needing sex on a daily basis to avoit jitter.

Dude these are men you are fucking. You're a faggot. Kill yourself.

balls. oh well.

do trans women give better blowjobs than cis women?

id totally fuck a non-op trans girl, but im also a huge faggot and i unironically suck guys dicks while they watch porn.

It really boils down to the individual. There's no consistent winner.

>so your main issue is with gay men, lacking social skills and overflowing with predatory behavior?

Yes. I've had fags target me several times and this is while I'm deep deep in the closet. I would gain nothing from outing myself and I would just waste the time of gay dudes who think I would fuck them. Me being in the closet is better for everyone.

Faggot.

how do ask if they are non-op or post-op or whatever before hooking up? or do you not ask because you don't care?

all the signs of a mentaly healthy individual, Im sure.

Most call themselves "pre-op," meaning they intend to get the surgery at some point, or are open to it. "non-op" means they plan to keep the dick forever. It just kind of goes without saying that they're going to still have a dick. I don't ask, both because I don't particularly care and because it's rude.

no wonder theres such a high suicide rate in the trans community, you people are seriously fucked in the head...then again, its just mother nature taking care of everyone that should be aborted in the first place

for what it worth, i feel for you Yea Forumsro. can't imagine what it feels like to be in your shoes. you shouldn't have to take shit from faggots just because you're queer.

i always knew many (not all) gays are degenerate, but i also assumed that they had a higher level of empathy for sexual abuse due to what the lgbt-movement is projecting, officially.

i like people like you. normal folks with weird kinks, but still capable of acting like a decent human. it's somewhat mind-boggling as a cis-person to hear that your biggest fear is "your own kind" - i'd figured you would be more afraid of drunk rednecks & immigrants

damn. for me it would be pretty important, though. its the difference between "sure" and "definitely not". i just don't like surgery, i guess.

I guess you could try to find a tactful way to pose the question to them, but there's a very high likelihood it'll backfire.

As trans psychology and trans culture and the like grows and develops, more and more trans women are finding themselves begrudgingly able to accept their penis. This stems from two main sources, one, an ideal sexual partner is one who enjoys your yourself well enough that physiology is less important that personality and psychology. Two, the expense, risks, and general lack of reward. Yes, you no longer have a penis, and yes, cosmetic vaginas look more passable every year, but still for the most part it's barely functional as a vagina.

Now, some of that may sound odd but let me color it with an example really quick. A married couple, both friend of mine, that is one "cis" male husband and his "trans" female wife have faced this dilemma. When they started dating they were both younger and she was always planning of getting the genital augmentations, eventually. They were fine with that. They stayed together with that plan. The plan though, changed two years ago or so. Essentially, they are in love and the genital issue is not a factor, they love each other as human beings, as husband and wife, regardless of penis. They also concluded the technology available today will would be spending thousands of dollars just to get a vagina that doesn't work, meaning they'll just go back to fucking her in the ass anyway.

Between their relationship, and the limitations of technology, the operation would just be a very expensive way to accomplish, essentially, nothing. She has a husband and passes well enough to live as a woman for the most part, so that's good enough for her.

She still takes the hrt and all that.

>but im genuinely interested in the logical process
Here is your mistake.
As long as your dick is hard that's all the logic you need to know.

I just mean if you set about finding a partner and when you get them naked 30 of them happen to have cocks you might start to say "Hmmm, maybe I repeat the behaviour that led to the last 29 cocks because I quite like a cock". To then go on and say "I am hetrosexual" is a bit of a intellectual cartwheel. You must have had a lot of eduction to be able to get to that point. And yes, I am judging you - not for your sexuality, but your daftness.

Makes total sense.

>i'd figured you would be more afraid of drunk rednecks & immigrants

Nope. Being in the closet isn't always about fitting in, its basically our version of MGTOW.

I like dick. I am a dick liker. I'm not running from anything or in denial about anything. I seek out trans women because I am physically attracted to them. That's different than being gay or bisexual or whatever other label you would not deem "daft."

tl;dr

>Man dates pre-op-transsexual
>Man likes pre-op-Transsexual
>Pre-op Transsexual plans to do op in future
>Man Marries pre-op transsexual
>Several years pass
>Man and Wife together decide "why spend thousands on a broken vagina? Wife wont feel it like a woman does anyway so we are just going to go back to anal anyway."
>They are still together, doing well enough, saved a lot of money

Invent your own label. Everyone seems to be doing it these days. Who cares? It genuinely doesn't matter as long as you don't debase science, English and logic by claiming cocks can be feminine and therefore you can still consider yourself heterosexual whilst you squeeze the last drops of cum out your partners cock into your mouth.

Genitalia doesn't determine gender. I consider vaginas and penises both erotic. I find the male gender sexually repulsive. I do not consider trans women with penises men and I do not consider sex with them to be homosexual sex. Cast whatever the fuck aspersions on my intellectual consistency you want. After all this experience I know my sexual character well. Probably better than you know yours. I wrote this post to make a nuanced point and wound up having a mob of strangers litigate my sexuality. If you think I'm a closet case you can frankly go fuck yourself.

you just blew my mind. i never heard of such a thing before. so is there a big discrepancy between the reality you live in and the one promoted by the "movement"?

to be fair, I would do her

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Who said it was homosexual sex? I merely said you're not heterosexual. I invited you to create a label.

I'm not casting aspersions. Your position is only valid if you ignore science and change the meaning of words.

The interesting thing here is why you chose Yea Forums to make a nuanced point. That is by far the most ridiculous proposition you've made so far - and there's strong competition. With that as your starting point, there is a possibility that you have another agenda.

It was fun. Have a good day.

The only thing we agree on is that it was probably stupid to try to have an intelligent conversation about transgenderism on Yea Forums. I will give you that one.

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Interesting read op. Thx for being cool

T. Trans girl in socal

One thing to consider though,this might not be the place for intelligent discussion, but it is one of the very few places people might tell you what they really think.

This is true. Always nice to lower the canary into the coal mine and have all the miners scream at it to kill itself for being a faggot.

Tbh, i’m not into traps and don’t care if anybody likes themselves a feminine penis but i’ve read most of your post and all i can day is that the issues you’re having are simply about your ego
You fear what others might think and feel about you
You fear you will lose the respect of others
You fear you will lose everything and it makes you weak to even want to consider a serious long term relationship with a trap
You do you, changes always come with a price to pay because without action, there won’t be any reactions

Name?

>so is there a big discrepancy between the reality you live in and the one promoted by the "movement"?

I don't know. I just feel like people have taken pride fags and made them out as the right way to be gay, but not everyone wants to embrace the lifestyle or even have sex with men.

This is valid, to a degree. I will take the lick, though I don't think it leaves that much of a bruise.

The original post had diffuse focus. I could have written it better. My main purpose in writing it was to explain to myself where that feeling of internal disquiet comes from after having sex with many trans women. I think that's much less about ego than about finding and respecting the boundaries of my fundamental orientation. I don't think I was unnerved because my ego was jeopardized, I think it was because on some lizard brain level my heterosexuality felt compromised by their vestigal male-ness.

That is linetrap aka BaileyJ.
Yea Forums kinda made her famous.

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>there's a very high likelihood it'll backfire.
yea. that's pretty fucking retarded. i feel like i shouldn't have to ask, though. have they ever just volunteered the information? like hey btw here are my stats regarding my physicality

It's pretty common that they'll volunteer the info somewhere on their profile. Others don't say. It's pretty safe to assume that they aren't going to be post-op, it's a small percentage of them. It also depends on what kind of conversation you're having. If you're setting up a hookup then all the physical shit is going to be put on the table, or at least it usually is / should be. if you're chatting on a dating site and it's not a "let's fuck" conversation then it's probably inappropriate to ask.

OP here. Going to bed. Some of you have been cool, others have not. Thanks for chatting.

i would fuck the shit out of bailey jay in every manner that a person can be fucked

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