There are people who think this is a person

There are people who think this is a person

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they could have been a person until they scooped them out sad sick fucks :)

>they could have been a person until they scooped them out sad sick fucks :)
or they could have not been a person as shown in the picture. are we just stating things that could have been?
I could have been a dragon if i had scales and wings and could breath fire...
This is fun game.
Next!

It's not that they "could have been", it's that they were.

Wrong

Agreed. Cant handle the natural repercussions of mating without protection, then dont.

Marquis' argument of potentiality nigga

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You looked exactly the same at that age.

Whats the difference between you and it, other than you weren't murdered?

See

>You looked exactly the same at that age.

>Whats the difference between you and it, other than you weren't murdered?

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Then abortion is murder, if the only difference is if the child matters to you or not.

Ahh, I too love false premises and a total failure to understand the rights of the mother, such as the right to bodily autonomy as gurantee to every US citizen.

Try a less retarded argument.

AYYYYY

You're absolutely right, I don't give a FUUUUCK

Both are dead. How is this at all relevant? No one here is saying that the fetus somehow doesnt count as "alive" its alive. Its human. What more would you like?

The mother still has the right to abort.

Did you even read the argument? It has nothing to do with bodily rights but the prima facie wrongness of depriving a fetus a future of value.

The world has become their asylum, and we their caretakers.

No she doesn't, and if she does it's murder. That's fact, saying otherwise isn't an opinion you're just willfully being wrong.

Gonna be an idiot and actually give a thought-out opinion on Yea Forums.
Now I'm an atheist, and I don't believe that an impregnated egg instantly becomes a human. And yes, it most probably takes a developed nervous system to constitute a person.
However, human life seems like a pretty big fucking deal when it comes to out moral standards as well as the laws we create.
So it baffles me how the beginning of human life seems to be such a non-issue for leftist, morally relativistic, marxist cucks.
>6 weeks, 36 weeks, whatever, LIBERATION OF WAMEN!!!!
>unborn children can't vote so whatever

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Future of value when the mother doesn't want it? Doesn't sound very promising. Gotta let women have the right

You can assert that all you want but that doesnt make it true.

It's literally only as true as it to say that, you personally, you reading this, are a murderer, commiting murder for convenience sake, by not donating a lung lobe, bone marrow, a section of your liver, a kidney, or even a skin graft, not to mention many, many more.

So, are you a murderer and a hypocrite or would you like to reform your position?

If you woke up with an iv in your arm and you were told that you had to leave it connected for 10 months or the person on the other end would die, would you be wrong for refusing to remain connected? Should it be illegal to you to remain connected, even though there are a myriad of potentially lethal risks associated with being connected to this person for this time?

It ignores the fact that you wouldnt make the mother give up her body to save a stranger or call her a murderer for not doing so.

So what's you're counter argument here? "I'm right and you're wrong, it's a fact I said so" ?

Not a compelling position.

Yes, I did. Are you a murderer for not do acting your kidney and thereby denying someone a future of value?
Hypocrisy.

The personhood argument is absurd and retarded. You have no more right to life than that fetus, and maybe less, since you're probably some type of a blite, depending on who you are.

A fetus has no cognition, no awareness, doesn't live independently from the mother. At that point it's no different than a parasite.

Aside from that, the only people affected by the abortion are the parents. They can decide whether they are willing to raise a child. If they aren't, or even if only the mother isn't, that's her choice whether to sacrifice her body and suffer all of the potential consequences of carrying a child to term and giving birth.

Yeah, people are fucking stupid, and shouldn't fuck around and end up in this position, but as mentioned, people are fucking stupid, and thankfully there is a way to prevent more children from broken homes from filling the jail system. Sorry, not sorry.

There are also people who actually think you can change your gender or be something outside of man and woman.

Dumb. GTFO

Uh, the right to abortion is indeed something she has, unless shes in some shithole country.

its true, there are people like that, how is that dumb?
Did he trigger you or something?

Your comment is just as predictable as your one inch cock faggot.

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So you dismiss the argument out of hand then make a personal attack, wow, that LOGIC. Those FACTS.

The mother isn't the murderer. It's the doctor.

Throw all the abortion doctors in jail! Throw the abortion pills in jail! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE /s

It has no bearing whatsoever on abortion rights.
As much as if I were to say "There are also black people"

This is framed as a counter argument yet comes to a similiar conclusion, were you trying to make a counter point or agree?

Kindof is... kindof isn't. That's the problem and the reason so many retards engage in a neverending debate over it. There's no ONE defining moment where a fetus/zygote whatever the fuck you want to call it becomes a sentient being. It happens gradually. I don't know why no one talks about this.

Clicked the wrong post to reply to I guess. My b. Abortion rights strong, Yea Forumsrother

While i would agree that blacks are dumb (like the 2 beliefs we have discussed), being black is not a belief...

I think this I the best thing we ever came up with. First benefit is that its only future liberals that are being killed before their mostly single mothers can raise them this way. Part of the reason I think gen z is more conservative, their opponents are dead. Secondly abortion is a heavy black practice, actually what planned parenthood was started for you can research that, it's just a fact. We don't have to genocide the blacks, they do it themselves. Third benefit is that it slaughters the poor voting block day and night. If you parent were poor you most likely will be poor, unless your parents kill you. Finally it is the driving force of unfettered imagration of uneducated pleds that drives wage competition to floor. In California migrants have pushed 80% of jobs to minimum wage. Good work lads. We have to replace the birthrate somehow.

Don't like freedom? Take your ass over to Saudi Arabia

Hmmmm...who think was him..!?!

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Bad argument is bad
You think by comparing killing unborn children to your lame ass examples justifies it?

Ayy JIMMAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

>sees fetus
"how sad!"

>sees tard
"lol what a tard! why won't someone kill it?"

What a retarded argument. What about the potential of the mother's future that will be wasted? How about the future of all periods and sperms cells? By this logic you should give away all of your wealth to charity to enable as much life as possible, and also to surrender your organs for transplant. How about we stick with personhood, agency and brain activity.

Kek

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Do you think simply asserting an argument is bad is somehow a counterpoint?

Is there some flaw that makes those situations not analogous? Do you understand how to formulate a counter point?

Proud world citizen

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The fault in that logic is that in the vast majority of cases, the mother performed the actions that lead to the baby being conceived, by choice.

Becuase if you do that or then you cant square that up with the belief that everyone has a u ique shoild that males them human as many people believe, even some none religious people. The person making this argument believes a soul inhabits each fetus and that the soul they have is just as valid and fully realized as their own. They cant argue that on paper though becuase the whole concept is absurd at fars as what can be demonstrated is concerned, so he makes these shitty arguments that even if true do not trump a womans right to bodily autonomy, just as anyone needs should not trump your right to bodily autonomy.

What "logic" and "facts" have you presented? Or, are those just words you like to toss around?

And you choose to get in your care despite k owing you could be in a fatal accident. Therfore by the same thinking you've applied, you shouldnt receive medical attention and your rights should be waived, you took the risk.

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please tell me this is shopped

So, most couples trying to have kids perform 104 or more individual sex acts before successfully conceiving. That's people who WANT to conceive. You are literally more likely to get in accident crossing a bridge than you are to get pregnant while trying to.

And you're saying becuase you took that risk, you have forfeited your rights to bodily autonomy and now the use of your body belongs to the fetus, regardless of your opinion or and potential risks to you in keeping the baby?

oh is it?
Have fun with your gene defects

>red jelly
bloodborne reference?

hmm

how old is this thing?
It is not exactly within the usual abortion time, but much older. I wager it was removed because there were complications that would kill the mother.

The fact that a fetus is not a "person"

As I said, its human, and its alive, but arguing that it's a person is simply unreasonable and ignores any and all philosophical discussion or conclusions on what personhood is.

You can say "huh uh" a second time if you like, it won't make you any less wrong.

this creature is scarier than monsters from creepy pastas

Pretty Simple:
If something human has brainwaves, it's sentient.
If something human has a heartbeat, it's alive.
Stopping either counts as murder.
Before that stage (about 6 weeks) idc

You're definitions of alive and sentient dont match up with how those words are typically defined at all.

that sounds a lot like you're pulling it out of your butthole, sir

>facts
>philosophy

hey bro, pick one.

I really like how anti abortion people just cant make a real argument that stands up against anyone informed on the issue, to preserve their stance they have to leave.

Are you retarded? Do you know how we arrive at facts? I'll give you a hint, it involves philosophy.

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So now the counter argument has moved to "things I dont like are not facts becuase I dont like them"

Anyone who unironically thinks facts and philosophy are mutually exclusive rather than mutually dependant should be recycled so that they can maybe be useful to someone once.

The problem is not the fact it is a person. The real problem is that it was physically removed with the taxpayer's money.

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That's not true you fucking dipshit. How do you not fall for the first half of the lies but then eat up their bullshit on funding?

Nice thread OP
Antiaborrion side got rocked here.

I'm french, majority of my taxes goes up in "universal" healthcare. Some of it probably goes into funding abortion.
Abortion should be traumitizing for the parents to force them to not do the same mistake twice, they either should either accept the child and the weight of their errors or kill it themselves.

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You are a baby killing minion of Satan, show me one epic/Myth/fairy tale where the people known for killing babies are the protaganists, the heros? Even In Guardians of the Galaxy 2 THEY KNEW BETTER THAN TO KILL BABY GROOT! You brain has been rotted, and your moral compass is smashed.

Shit wrong post here's the one

There are some people who think you are a person, personally I find that more unbelievable.

Typical vapid non response response, wanna know why? Because killing babies is indefensible.

Wow, what a counter argument, people that kill children, (no a fetus) are the bad guys in most stories, therefore abortion is wrong? That's a hell of a jump.

I'm pretty sure you're an apostate of christ looking to sabotage to happiness of true believers.

That's retarded though, do you think people want to go out and get an abortion? Like they just make a day of it?

Also, what about those that didnt make a mistake?

Fuck these anti abortionists m8 we need to break the stigma of abortion in the Hispanic communities to drive down Democrat support.

If you wanted to engage with quality arguments you would, there are plenty in thos thread you know you cant refute, which is why you havent addressed them though. Go fuck yourself.

NICE TRIPLE DUBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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I wonder if pro choice advocates would consider bacteria found
on Mars proof of life?

If people didn't secretly know that this was muder, then why does any thread involving this go to the bump limit, and why does every conversation about this get so heated and passionate?

>comparing an early human to hypothetical bacteria found on mars
That's kind of a stretch

I love that the argument is somehow both that the left needs illegal immigrants to be their voting base, but most abortions are performed for mi ority mothers, and the left is also the party that supports a women's right to choose.

So which is it, the left needs mi ority voters so bad they encourage policy to get them here and give them free shit, or they are evil baby killers that are racist and like killing minority babies? It cant be both.

The galaxy...is on..Orion's belt

Abortion is wrong because it has been known since the infancy of civilization infanticide is wrong. It's why Moses told people to turn away from Moloch and all your condescending duplicitous slimy rhetorical semantics changes nothing. But as I stated I encourage people like you to NOT reproduce. Don't do it. Kill of of your potential children, motherfucker, put your money where your mouth is. You'll just raise broken fucked up humans anyway, because you're an asshole.

Of course they will. Their one talent in life is to double think. I for one say abort those Martian fuck, that's my free real estate.

"If people dont secretly believe in vishnu then why do they argue against him"

"If you're not secretly gay, why do you fight against gay rights"

This isnt an argument, try again.

I like that your counter argument is religion and a personal attack. Nice try, but you'll have to do better if you expect me to care.

Abortion shouldn't be viewed as a success but more as a deep failure. As I said I don't give a fuck about the kid, he wasn't born and barely alive. It is a failure because the couple didn't prepare enough or wasn't careful enough when copulating. They were retarded and should therefore pay for it or fix it themselves.
Rape would be indeed delicate to deal with. But since there is pills to get the little fucker out of the uterus in a pinch it should be as much of a problem since a responsable woman would probably take them asap.

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Have you read the thread or are you just stupid? No one has argued that a fetus isnt alive.

But it can be both. With the left you don't have to make sense. I know that it's going to be hell getting Juan off my lawn so we are going to have to kill his kids, just a little.

It wasn't an argument but a comment. And your response made no sense because neither are a reality. There aren't millions of threads and conversations on those topics, retard

>It is a failure because the couple didn't prepare enough or wasn't careful enough when copulating. They were retarded and should therefore pay for it or fix it themselves.
So why doesnt that same thi king extend to car accidents? You knew the risk, you left the drive way anyway, you shouldnt get medical attention, you should accept the consequences of your actions and then die in the street, right? How is that different In amy significant way?

You're conception of the left os a straw person that doesnt exist in reality.

I don’t think you understand the live a parent has for a child. As a dad yes I’d be mortified to find out my kid would have such a defect but my dude you can’t explain the live you feel for your child it’s unreal.

But should we consider it alive or merely a parasitic attachement of independant human cells in the woman's body ?

>remove bunch of hardly conscious cells
Jesusfags, jews and muslims:"Waaah MURDERER!"
>hamburgers, shwarma and kebab
jesusfags, jews and muslims: Absolutely halal!"

"consented to being run over by a semi by leaving the parking lot"

Yes, by default you do. Social construct can't save you from that one.

You cant defend you position, i get it.

Those things are not mutually exclusive, you're aware yes?

There's one good thing about abortion: Many future pro-choice advocates and abortion providers were sucked out of the womb and dismembered.

What is personhood in your opinion? Why does it include born babies and excludes fetuses

And therefore you should receive no medical attention and you have given up your rights by leaving the driveway. Try pushing for that to be law, let me know how it goes.

hide the body eat the body

There's no point in stating my position to those who will never consider or accept it. It's analogous to trying to convince a serial killer not to murder.

Google "what is personhood"

My stance doesnt give a shit about the personhood of babies, it's irrelevant.

bUt It CoUlD hAvE BeEn A pErSoN

The situation are too different to be compared one another. One talk about saving a human life, the other one ending another.
A better situation is would you save a crackhead who overdosed even though he knew the risk ? I would fucking laugh my ass off at him while he is dying. He fucked up in a magistral way and beyond any redemption.

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Because he or she doesn't care about logic.

Then fuck off if you dont want to discuss the issue honestly then why even bother?

A child is the only direct consequence of sex. Having a child is literally the purpose of having sex (not because of religious believes, it's mother nature's decision: the fact that we gain pleasure from it, that it is a way of bonding and so on are there just to make sex desirable for us).

Vaginal tearing is an accident, and is not supposed to happen, nor you can expect it to somehow.

Driving a car is not supposed to get you in an accident in the first place.

I'm not stepping in your discussion, just want to make you realize that your argument doesn't hold up and makes zero sense. That equivalence is completely false.

Shit forgot an essential part
One talk about saving an innocent live who didn't fucked up, the other one is to end another human for the fuck ups of others

One is out the other is in
End of story

It's not irrelevant, you would be morally consistent if you also had no problem with babies being killed for the same reasons, sorry i just assumed your views on that

I never said said health care shouldn't be a thing, that's anti socialism. If you can't understand two sides of a argument you have no place dictating politics. Balance..

So someone intentionally taking enough substance to OD on it is somehow the same as having sex without the intent to have a child but ending up getting pregnant? That's the same, but denying someone their rights becuase they took a small risk, is somehow different than someone being denied their rights becuase they took a small risk.

Are you retarded?

There's a million other people already doing that, fuckface. If you really don't think it equates to murder, then why do you bother hearing all of these opinions and conversations? Get a life or kill yourself then.

are there any logical reasons for that or?

So if you woke up with an IV in your arm feeding blood to a person you dont know and who you did not want in your life and you're told that if you disconnect the plug that person will die, is it your responsibility to remain connected?

tl;dr

Why would there be one ?
In all case, if the parents don't want the kids it's better dead than in an orphanage.

So heres the thing, the fact is that a fetus is not a person. Most humans are not a person until the are 13+ months old if not later as if often the case. The only reason that it's really relevant is due to the fact that many people argue a fetus should not be aborted on the grounds that "its human just like us" which is simply not the case, its human but it's nothing like a fully developed person, and on arguments based around a soul that supposedly Grant's some undetectable personhood that means we need to treat them like we would anyone else.
My personal position comes down to the right to bodily autonomy almost entirely, the personhood argument simply address common arguments antiabortion people make.

Now for bodily autonomy the thing is that you cant make some use their body in a particular way without also suspending that person's rights.

You cant make me donate my kidney to save a life even if I'm right there and it's a match, and you shouldnt be able to, that would be a nightmare world. In the same way you cant make a woman carry a fetus to term, if she doesnt want it you cant make her keep it unless you're willing to either be a hypocrite or you're willing to argue that we should indeed think of people as murderers for not donating a their extra kidney, or bone marrow, or blood.

Are you the one retarded ? Abortion isn't a right it's a responsability.
I don't like irresponsable people because they will always throw the blame on something else than them. "I got pregnant but it should be your problem too" is a a disgusting thinking pattern. It's your mistake, it's your child, it's your responsability don't make me pay for it.
Your small mistake shouldn't be fixed with my money.
But may I ask you a question ? Why are you defending abortion so much ?

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It's not my fualt you cant understnad an anology.

You're like the person who responds to the trolly problem with "well I'd just try some other way"

You're missing the point.

No, it's your choice not your responsability. Most will remain connected, but some will disconnect. They will live with their choice and not blame others for it.

So I'm sitting here talking to people about their veiws and discussing them in an honest way, and you're here shouting your opinion and refusing to even evaluate the other side, instead choosing to berate them and insult them.

Fucl off you worthless cunt.

So by that thinking do you also not support any medical system or insurance or anything at all for those that have played any part in their own condition, like if you smoke should it be up to you to perform your own surgery?

Try to be a bit more clear, you're coming off as a mongoloid

If abortion is murder, is bukkake cannibalism/6 gorillion eaten ?

>Your comment is just as predictable as your one inch cock faggot.

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You're 'anology' is flawed, I made that clear.

You have you're bias, that's about it. Good talk.

Go fuck yourself. Everybody, from both sides, is wasting their time here. Nobody is going to be persuaded by any of these arguments. They're only here for entertainment.

Okay, so as someone who chooses to have an abortion, how are they any different? They are denying another person who they did not want to have access to their body access to their body as they have every right to do.

It's their choice and they dont blame anyone else for having made them do it or some nonsense.

What the difference in these scenarios? The fact that the woman had sex? If so you should know most couples trying to conceive have to perform 104 or more sex acts in order to become pregnant, and that's when they want to get pregnant. You are more likely to get into a car accident while crossing a bridge than you are to get pregnant while trying.

If we deny the mother the right to bodily autonomy becuase of the risk she took, why wouldnt we treat other situations the same and deny people their rights when they take any sort of risk? Should health insurance not cover accidents?

You see the head, arms and fucking legs. It's even moving, it's a living being ffs.

You in no way made that clea, you denied the analogy and then presented your own that represents an entirely different level of assumed risk. You are literally so blinded by your bias you refuse to even imagine my analogy honestly.

Being pro life is great if all you care about is that children are born and you don't give a shit about their ruined future. Normal circumstances don't warrant abortions, but hey not your problem.

This thread.

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It's a fact that if you take a risk you are consenting to the danger, aware of the risk or not. I'm not sure how that's hard to understand. Life isn't fair and all the politics in the world can't change that.

>ormal circumstances don't warrant abortions
Yes they do. Bitches just have them out of convenience the majority of the time.

My argument is based on common human decency you fucked up smugtard. I didn't much care I believed the LIE about "women's reproductive issues" until some bitch from Planned Parenthood was caught on video telling people she waited to abort children until they had gestated to the perfect stage for fetal tissue harvesting, which is fucking illegal as hell, and then when NY passed a due date abortion law and they lit up the fucking Empire State Building just to celebrate their viciousness and rub their baby murdering in my face. On that day it became perfectly clear the democrats are just a fucking death cult. In 2018, Planned Parenthood aborted more babies than it did in any five previous years. Now I am unequivocally pro-life. It was only a few weeks ago. Now be a retard and tell me how I'm a rightwing magatard even though I'm an Indepedent who once voted for the green party (because fuck john kerry and george bush, that's why). I'm no where NEAR rightwing, but I hate the left after the last 3 years.
tl;dr get fucked.

It would have been lol

You are retarded if you dont get it.

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someone could have been a 12 year old person but they died at 10 years old
same fucking thing dumbass.
i know you are bait bc no one is that retarded

abortion is okay to the 4 month after that its just wrong

What magically occurs after that vague time span?

lets be real here, if the unborn baby had tested positive for downs, we'd all abort it

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I seriously don't know how to distinguish whether this is classic /b b8 or the aftermath of the tumblr invasion of '18

then the fetus starts to develop fully develop before that its a mas of cells with no real function that you could call live

Nope look up sbsk on YouTube

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ups typo

You lost your wife and some nigger lost their unborn child

>If you wanted to engage with quality arguments you would, there are plenty in thos thread you know you cant refute, which is why you havent addressed them though. Go fuck yourself.
Thank you narcissist, there are no shades of right or wrong when you are killing babies. It isn't 1973 anymore there are dozens of birth control methods out there...DOZENS. But in the intervening 46 years evil debauched motherfuckers have turned it into a multibillion dollar industry in death, fetal tissue, and stem cells. Do you remember what was said by the supreme court in 1973? Safe and RARE, not a Planned Parenthood in every city between the KFC and Burger King. You are the type of pompous insufferable asshole thaty makes people hate the left, your nose in the air condescending to everyone from your soapbox of (self claimed) moral and intellectual superiority but the truth is you aren't even qualified to run a McDonald's through a lunch rush much less bottom up redesign society. Asshole.

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oh noe

>But should we consider it alive or merely a parasitic attachement of independant human cells in the woman's body ?
Look just because you're a parasite, you have no right to judge others by your limitations...

"Dont argue it's not worth your time"

Is a really shitty stance to take. I reccomend the book "thank you for arguing"

It's arbitrary. You would have to know the exact time when that occurs.

And nobody finishes developing until after puberty. So... Should we wait until after 14 or 15 or sometimes long after that?

>So which is it, the left needs mi ority voters so bad they encourage policy to get them here and give them free shit, or they are evil baby killers that are racist and like killing minority babies? It cant be both.
Yes it can, read the fucking news.

So by leaving my driveway I have consented to dieting on the street, your world seems great.

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you don't get don't you read again what i said than think about what dumb shit you posted

Go back to school and take a course on logic.

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I'll wait until you type a coherent sentence, retard.

most trumpanzees SHOULD have been abortions. Daily stormers, et al. IQ's in the 30's, no jobs, living with their elderly parents. At some point in the future, and we're getting close to it, we'll have to have mandatory white abortions. we're SO CLOSE to whites being a minority. But more than that, we can finally purge them.

Blue states = richest
Red states = welfare states

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"Common human decency" isnt an argument. Your emotional reaction to a few bad actors, not that i believe your fake bullshit seeing as how much of that has been proven to be false flags by the "pro life" movement, is fairly clear what's driving you. I've come to the table with facts and a well reasoned honest position. You are overridden by emotion and continually resort to name calling and emotional appeals.

When you learn to have a conversation like an adult, you might be able to argue your case, ranting about how you think I'll call you a trump supporter isnt a sign of someone ready to debate a complex issue.

>pay for it
When they turn sixty and their only friend is a stray cat they will rethink this position.

You dont have a counter argument and you've lost yourself to emotion. Calm.down and then try to make an argument that doesnt rely entirely on unsupported claims

>gain pleasure from it
Most humans are slothful and wouldn't bother fucking if it wasn't pleasurable, too much work. That might be a beneficial thing, only the intelligent and athletic would breed.

did you suck so much principal dick that you car about grammar or spelling?
and also going for that shit is basically saying i have no counter argument ty retard for letting me win

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So a baby that is fully capable of living can be killed because it's unfortunate ass is still attached by an umbilical cord?

What do you mean? How does that make any sense? The straw person you thi k of as "the left" doesnt fucking exist, get over yourself.

Yes people die in many uncontrollable ways. You are forced to consent to that. Again I believe there should be balance. I haven't yet mentioned any of my political views other then I feel health care is needed. This conversation is going nowhere.

Hey dipshit, what's it called when your conclusion dosnt follow from the premises?

Get off this board, foreign cocksucker. We speak English on this board. Fucking kill yourself.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you run in to a wall retard

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Mongoloid. How is it that by accepting a risk you have consented to the worst possible result of that risk?

Your being a dismissive asshole is a lame way to dodge the simple fucking fact infanticide is wrong. You don't get it, you're beyond help, and your are suffused with a love of your own presumed intellectual superiority, and have to result to specious disingenuous bullshit to avoid admitting your just fucking evil, or selfish, or lazy.

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I'm pro abortion because it kills mostly niggers.

You are saying democrats can't be both pro-abortion and pro minority vote, and I'm telling you that's fucking life chump, deal with it.

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>result
You refuse to even begin to address something extremely simple becuase you are overridden by emotion. The fact is that killing a child, even if it is wrong, may be neccessary in order to preserve the rights of other. I dont want to live on a soceity where you can demand my kidney and get away with it. I dont think you do either. You are arguing agaisnt the only thing preventing that though, the right to bodily autonomy.

I'm done responding to as your response is going to be drivel again where you just again assert "infanticide is wrong" despite that not being the issue at hand to begin with.

a popular fox news lie. actually the largest group of women having abortions are white women, 20-24 in red states. .gov source 2019

oooh that damn dog o' mine!

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lifenews.com/2019/01/25/hillary-clinton-celebrates-abortion-the-same-day-chelsea-clinton-announces-shes-pregnant/

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only reasonable person here

I'm saying that it cant be simultaneously true that Democrats are looking to kill children and also need more voters for power

virtue-signaling right wing sjw go back to red safe zone and die

not even a pro-lifer but these arguments are so hilariously bad that you must be trolling

>The galaxy is on Orion's belt

A flawed argument.

non-sequitur

They're only pushing for white abortion in red states. It's beautiful. Then they bring in minorities for future voters.

It's beautifully engineered. The right wing? Whines and goes on mass-shootings, you don't have the ability to plan like that :)

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It's not. I strapped a battery to my dead dog and it moved like that too.

Cause it happens. I believe the consent starts when you put the key in the ignition so to speak. It's the same reason you still get a speeding ticket weather you have a good accuse of ignorance or not.

>racebaiting on Yea Forums all day
>literally having nothing better to do

sad

furious

You are so retarded that makes me sick.

As a matter of fact, it js a fake.

Fuck your Orwellian doublethink. Your perceptions are so managed by social engineers critical thought is beyond your cognitive ability. I can sum your argument up in one image.

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>.gov source 2019
Post it asshole otherwise it's just your bullshit opinion.

i'm against making abortions illegal for a number of pragmatic reasons but to treat it like it's not even a moral dilemma is really disgusting

i'm pretty liberal myself and i hear other liberals sometimes talk about abortion as if it's the same as getting a haircut. really shows that they haven't thought about the issue at all and just regurgitate what they're told to think

no that's better than people. human, on the other hand, is too far a stretch, but that little thing is better than 97% of people out there.

bodily autonomy is doublething now? you're the one setting us up for the organ harvest, user. Alex Jones is coming for you.

Amen

It's a debate that should be reasoned diligently.

Where do retards like you come from? Seriously, do you think your entire retarded fucking bullshit post can't be annihilated with one quick google search.

oneofus.eu/2017/03/planned-parenthood-targets-black-women-with-abortion-79-of-their-clinics-are-in-minority-neighborhoods/

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Obviously your dog was never a person, asshole.

>Must avoid war...

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almost 70% of aborted babies are white :)

yeah I'm a conservative, I hear other conservatives talk about banning abortion as if it were like going for walk.
But I am for banning abortions.

Among the four groups examined in the study, black women had the highest abortion rate in 2014 (27.1 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age) and white women had the lowest rate (10 per 1,000). Between 2008 and 2014,

guttmacher.org/news-release/2017/abortion-common-experience-us-women-despite-dramatic-declines-rates

Nope!

Ok I'm back.
You understood well.
>like if you smoke should it be up to you to perform your own surgery
Or just pay the full price of the operation by yourself

Then I might be for abortion after all.

too many people anyway who cares.

and 100% are from liberal parents which means the future looks red

"Guttmacher" vs .Gov

Nice, always upping the IQ range kid

60% of abortions are from white women 20-24 in red states.

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...

Yup, he still is the mother flesh. I don't see anything wrong. If it's cut whoever it isn't the case anymore

youtube.com/watch?v=q5k9EDgY8UM

Good old Jordan Pepeson

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it's just a bundle of cells. The potential of this life is the same as the potential of the lives from any unborn child YET TO BE INSEMINATED. That means choosing not to be pregnant constantly and pump out child after child is in a way the same as aborting children again and aagain.

1 oh sorry i just assume people adopt some kind of logical reasoning to draw conclusions
2 so is it also ok to kill a born baby if the parents don't want him? What would be the difference

Just wow, honestly. 0/10 trolling. Trolling on serious issues doesnt work, you're just a dick.

Is fucking unprotected even though your couple couldn't handle having a child logical ?
It's sad but it's better than having a shit life ahead of him. Orphanange are not a good place to be raised in.

Then kys

just look at these snowflake republican cucks on abortion.
abortion is a great way to keep the population down. red states already take 100's of billions from blue states for welfare, food and farm subsidies, because they're overpopulated and poor.

Abortion would be a great way to contain population growth in red states. Blue states can afford their populations.

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source? I highly fucking doubt that

Yeah. Pretty pathetic honestly. Pro-lifers can absolutely fuck off.

If I cracked a fresh, fertilized egg. That's technically abortion, right? So why aren't you fags upset about that? All you care about are yourselves.

Till 13 months old born babies can be killed? What happens why does he become a human after 13 months. Also i think you are conflicting legality and morality, i would agree that in the situation you are talking about i agree it would be nightmarish to force someone to donate his kidney or something like that, but that doesn't change anything about the morality of the action of donating or not the kidney (assuming you are taking into consideration the extreme situatiion in which you are sure this person will die if you do not donate him your kidney)

Would you prefer a child born to unwilling parents whos subject to neglect and abuse? I personally am against abortions but also believe that it should be the parents (or in some cases just the mothers) right to choose.

You were in that phase of gestation, fucking dipshit. You must have fallen out head first from your moms vagina.

>Till 13 months old born babies can be killed?
Can you fucking read? Go back and try again dumbass.

It had personality.

Right, and neither is that fetus, its human and it's likely still alive in a sense, but it's not even close to being a person.

Okay so if a kid is born with some illness or anyway he for some reason will probably live his life with a bad condition we are morally righteous to kill him

>immigrant children
Put em in cages then send em back to their shithole country so they can rot
>unborn children
What a sweet innocent life form we must protect it at all costs

Republicans ladies and gentlemen

Too old.

I did, sorry but what i read is that humans can be considered a "person" after 13 months or maybe later for some reason (after conception i guess?) So like a fetus they could be killed right?

Yes, eugenics are okay for me. Why are wondering about ethics, we do what we must do and should stop questionning morality.

There are people who think this is a person

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I accept that

If I just say human DNA, do I will the argument?

>has its own body
>it is a human

Wow, guess this isnt a person!

Quick, lets kill it because its convenient and ignore inherent property rights iver your own body that anperson has

Nice bait faggot.

>illegal immigrants, 100% of which are criminals
>candidates for our society that are distinguishable entities and carry their own unique DNA

Not the same.
Try again?

How dare you contradict what a human is you dick. If it isn't white and blond then what the fuck

>Sarcasm
>Me being funny

Becaus they are

yeah my sperm could be a human too, every human commits millions of murders by let their sperm die instead of becoming people

>illegal immigrants, 100% of which are criminal
Where did you get that statistic from? We are talking about CHILDREN here you faggot

The point your missing is that they never argued that personhood determined whether or not it was okay to kill a fetus, they are arguing that personhood debunks the soul argument and then they laid out their own argument fro one its okay to abort, based on bodily autonomy rather than personhood. You get it?

Illegal immigrants have committed the crime of crossing a border illegally.

Children only comitted the crime while under duress i.e being forced or instructed to do it.

So we give them a pardon, lock them up in a safe area under we can process them, then we send them back home via deportation. Real easy dumb fuck

>"buh buh they're brown! Its racist to seperate them from potential human traffickers whom claim they are their parents with no evidence!"

Literally kys

I think that the point at which personhood occurs is a redundant concept when regarding humans

A person is literally just what we call an individual human, so technically once it has 46 chromosomes and is undergoing mitosis, it is following its own biological directive and is seperate from its mother by way of DNA.

Dont really see how it couldnt be viewed as a person at that point tbh.

Its not like the mother has any control over what it pjysically does at that point

Ayyy lmaooo

Why are you talking about children you fucking pedo

>blue states
>afford

Every blue state is in huge debt, and when people start moving away because blue states are importing illegals to keep housing costs artificially high, they will starve.

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If something has its own heartbeat/self generated motion, it's alive, it's a living being.
If something has its own brainwaves/self evolving neural network(with/without own nervous system), it's sentient(conscious and/or subconscious), it's a sentient living being.
Stopping either counts as murder.
Anything saying otherwise, is an attempt to justify the obvious wrong of the murder, to make ourselves feel better about it.

Fyi, it includes animals, insects, etc.. and even plants.
Plants are very alive too, and able to feel, the only difference is that they are almost 100% subconscious beings and have even less consciousness than an insect).

Most times we justify killing plants, animals and insects, by either consciously or subconsciously, saying/meaning that we do so to "survive", or in other words, we treating them as food.

Its foolish to even attempt to say that killing(intentionally cutting life support/development) an unborn child who has already developed brainwaves, and/or has its own motion(/heartbeat), is not really a murder, you can try justify it all you want, but it is a murder still.

The human baby's heart already starts to beat at around 4-6 weeks and has brain waves at roughly 8 weeks.
Basically, anything less than 2weeks, is at about plant state of being/living, of 'your' baby, it does not truly justify the act, but still its a lot easier to try justify, for yourself, than anything past the ~2weeks line.

What? Fat person fingers?

Well i do not base the righteness (excuse my english) of killing something on the belief in soul or something, so no need to debunk it, but i don't see how you are allowed to completely refuse any value in the concept of personhood it seems like i can say oh i morally can kill this person because he is annoying me, i'm basing my view on my right to not be annoyed rather than personhood, so i get how abortion is just fine in a moral system like that but seems really fucked (i got that he doesn't argue that personhood determines right of not being killed but it's a pretty important poind to address if you want to talk about abortion no?)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_Xngsa93uM

kys or shut up I guess then lol

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I wouldnt even need to say that heart beats and brain waves need to be taken into consideration tbh..

The fetus is still a living organism prior to both of these being present. The fact that it has been implanted and the linear progress of its life cycle has already started should suffice to say thag you would be "killing" it from that point afterwards

There are even people who think you're a person, OP.

It /is/ a person, but if someone doesn't even /know/ they're alive yet, does it matter if we killem before they got the chance to become a dindu?