Reminder: Socialism has never succeeded in any country in the history of man kind. Not once

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Lek

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>China doubles life expectancy between 1949 to 1976
>USSR goes from backward peasant nation to defeating Nazi Germany and being the first nation in space within 40 years.
>Cuba has one of the highest standards of living in Latin America despite being subject to an embargo by the most powerful nation in the world.
>Vietnam defeats the most powerful military on Earth.

yeah, what a failure.

God, you are so desperate to justify your political tribe that you have to spam the same bullshit over and over. I feel so sorry for you.

ANOTHER ONE!

Why does this bitch TERRIFY Conservaturds?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

Hmmm...So he was behind of that..?

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cool, except computers wouldn't exist without massive MASSIVE public spending via the defense department (which was then handed over to the private sector when it became economically viable). good job, boomer memer

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>we the individuals
lol fuck you tell that to the silverton town council, said it would be $4,000 to put some steps out in the bit between the post office and the park. I think it looks like a simple job so I just up and get some planks and a shovel and get it all done for maybe like $60 worth of material. Now the town council has dug it up and fined me $1,200.

>that image
lol Slow down there turbo, I know you got a big woody for one of those dastardly libs being an alleged hypocrite, but let me show you something first.
reddit.com/r/TrumpCriticizesTrump/

>if the government didn’t shovel money into bombing Europe into a pancake during WW2 we wouldn’t have computers

WHAT BENEVOLENCE

Why this bait is false.

Because no one is claiming they want America to be a socialist country. Socialist reform of some parts of capitalism are needed and have been used before in America to great success.

Things that are socialized in America. n

Roads
Bridges
Education
Anything your taxes pay for.
Lots of things taxes don't pay for.
The list goes on.

We live in a society
Read a book

Cubs has one of the highest standards of living in Latin America
>in Latin America

Gee I wonder why it’s not high compared to Europe or North America?

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Never succeeded. Not even close. They literally had their asses handed to them by Israel and Russia. They failed. Period.

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you want to name a component of a Iphone that didn't start with government money?

does that mean you were against the 2008 bailouts?

Fuck off redneck

Roads/Bridges
>shitty traffic Jams constantly
>a drive that should take 10 minutes takes 2 hours

Education
>cost has exponentially increased in the last 40 years far above inflation
>dogs quite literally can earn degrees

What about any of that is a success you utter moron?

In response to Steincuck's statement: America's economic mobility is huge. People become "poor" and "rich" all the time, many times over.

So while he said it sarcastically, he's ironically telling the truth. Get mad.

hurr durr socialism doesn't wo--

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>redneck racist fuck detected

None are socialist

>dogs quite literally can earn degrees
Uh that was a Community episode dumbass

>socialism
>lists countries with market economies with business friendly policies like low corporate tax rates and competitive business taxes

It become reality thanks to leftism.

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>implying somehow that republicans aren't sucking big business dick en masse

The embargo, idiot.

*You're
not "your", dumbass.

>hurr durr conservatives so mad and scared of AOC
>gets ass handed to them by one simple meme and loses their shit

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>all the time

So what you’re saying is free trade lifts nations out of poverty?

Gee the Austrian School folks say the exact same.

>every day with this

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Well, they're a lot closer to socialism than the US, and it looks like they're doing something right. When people like AOC and Bernie talk about "democratic socialism," think Denmark and Switzerland, not Venezuela and the USSR.

>which President bailed out Goldman Sachs, Fannie May and Fredy Mac to name a few

>which party claims to be for the working and middle class

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>socialisim

And people gave animals medals and shit in war times. It's just a fun PR move.
>muh left
Go fuck yourself, faggot.

>strawman fag detected

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the chinese and vietnamese are doing pretty well...

So market drive economies, with competitive business and corporate tax rates are socialist?

lol. Not sure what that has to do with leftism but it's pretty funny

That meme is so gay it gives me more aids every time I see it

sO yOuR sAyInG fReE tRaDe

Kek

AHAHAHA you mad a dog can literally get the same as your useless unmarketable college degree that cost you tens of thousands of dollars?

Hahahaha

Just because the NSDAP had the word socialist in the name doesn't mean they were actually socialist, Hitler just renamed the NDAP to garner support from socialists. Kind of like how the DPRK (Democratic Peoples republic of Korea) isnt a democratic republic

AHAHAHA
DUMBASS
AHAHAHA

A retarded childish non-sequitor, gee I don’t know what I expected.

On a long enough timeline, nothing succeeds. We eventually destroy everything. It is our nature.

Deal with it.

9/11

*non sequitor
Use latin right, dumbass.

>only a democrat president would bail out the big banks

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Lel. Read a book nigga

historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/25points.htm

No, but they do have policies we would probably think of as socialist:
>universal health care
>a higher minimum wage
>worker's rights such as guaranteed sick leave and maternity leave
>social safety nets

lol no I'm mad you're a dumb shit blaming today's left on a fun PR stunt that people have been doing for fucking decades.

Worse than scraping the bottom of the barrel for a response

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ask retarded question, get retarded answer

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How old are you to use that meme? Fuck off boomer

Sure. Because Capitalism is working out *so* well.

>probably thinks embargo’s are capitalism

I asked a retard a question rather

Yeah Venezuela is crumbling. Oh wait...

Name a Republican President who has. We’re talking reality here kiddo no your Disneyland fantasy

Does your mom know you’re up this late? Don’t you have school tomorrow?

Reminder: communism is just russian socialism.
nazism is just german socialism.

> one vaguely socialist idea is introduced into government

> republicans incapable of free-thinking immediately label it with words they find scary

> retards continue to imply that even testing one minor change in government will cause us to turn commie red and swear allegiance to the soyboys and get rammed in the ass by the devil himself

> incapable of admitting that it's worked in plenty of places and //maybe we should at least try it on a small scale and be honest about the results to see whether it improves us at all instead of being afraid of big words//

how the hell have we become an America afraid of its own shadow? how are we not willing to try new things and be honest

i'm not a fucking liberal, i'm just trying to be real. wake up you fucking morons. just because one guy on tv said a word that makes you feel bad doesn't mean you have to cry every time the word 'social' is said.

how the fuck do we live in an America where people are afraid of giving the working class a chance (even if it fails) and instead runs on tax cuts for the rich that haven't worked and continue not to work. read a history book, not Yea Forums and fox news god damn it

america used to mean something, we still disagreed and there were still fucking idiots on the other side, but at least we tried to be united

god i hope evil fucking aliens come here real soon so we have a common enemy before you retards kill each other

Computers sprung from military codebreakers. The mobile phone industry, particularly Apple, relies heavily on govt subsidies from the (nominally) communist Chinese government

The Arab oil states are more mercantilic than capitalist, and heavily propped up by the US government.

the automotive industry is heavily government subsidised and supported, and relies on the oil industry which is also heavily govt subsidised and as per last point propped up by mercantilist states and the us govt (directly and indirectly)

No examples of actual pure capitalism there.

>wastes 3-4 years getting in thousands and thousands and dollars of debt studying a single subject, that isn’t marketable and worth almost nothing
>calls others dumbasses

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How does it feel to be the pawn of a hostile democracy-hating foreign nation that literally has you eating so fucking sloppily out of their hands that you'd gladly take one in the ass from a dog instead of admit maybe we should pay people a little more?

Ronald Reagan and first Bush

And they belonged to the party that markets itself as FOR the working and middle class?

lol love the boomer meme
I get called it all the time, although I'm firmly an old millennial

this is a sonic rule 34 thread now

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No shit, let's start gassing the socialists.

no the working and middle class has no party

Just give them crack and guns and they take care of one another

But which party claims to be for the working and middle class?

>hurr durr socialism doesn't wo--
Those aren't socialist countries you fucking absolute git.

Bush Jr. also did bailouts
Republicans have always marketed themselves as being champions of the working class, lol. Are you like 15? They bend over backwards to get farmers and unemployed factory workers to think that giving more money to the richest people will be the best way to help the poorest.

>bush did it too so its ok

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See the problem here is socialism means anything from social democracy all the way through to a synonym for either anarchocommunism or totalitarian communism, depending who is using it.
If you're gonna use "socialism", define it or add context.

democrats.
they will claim to serve the interests of anyone for that sweet votes.
ofc you get fucked over once they enter office, but at least you got sold that sweet feel of being significant for them for a time.

I already addressed this Learn to follow a thread, fuckstick

>so it's ok
sigh
no, I said nothing of the like. are you even following the conversation?

>
>
>Well, they're a lot closer to socialism than the US, and it looks like they're doing something right. When people like AOC and Bernie talk about "democratic socialism," think Denmark and Switzerland, not Venezuela and the USSR.

They're actually more capitalist than America right now but, mkay. America is more socialist than you think which is quite sad, knowing that liberals hate their own work. Trump has nearly no power, the president never gets that much power yet you all act like we're in a autocratic state just because you guys "think" he's racist he's instantly shit at managing and aiding the country.

>fucked over

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>politicians.
>they will claim to serve the interests of anyone for that sweet votes.
Ftfy

You're now aware that the entire $22,000,000,000,000 in national debt would be $0 if we hadn't paid it all out in welfare.

But Shaniqua has to feed her 10 little niglets.

>Trump really cares about out of work american factory workers

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correct post is correct.

Finland and germany have failed?

the working and the middle class are split on basically every issue that isn't economic, both parties claim to speak for them as they are not allowed to speak as they are completely disenfranchised from political policies.

>state investment = state control
It's time for this meme to die. Socialism is complete state control.

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Revolutionary Catalonia

>Checkmate

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Notice how those are all white countries. No niggers. We cant socialism with the niggers here

In his own twisted way, I think Trump believes his tarrifs and trade restrictions are going to make American-made goods more available and affordable.

That said, every business is going to find the best price-to-quality ratio for their needs, which these days is almost always in Southeast Asia.

I am not trying to defend the man, nor am I being critical.

I dislike Donald Trump. Although he was not a good candidate for the Presidency, he was the most viable option. But picking the best turd in the pile is still choosing shit over shit.

Fuck authoritarianism.

End the Fed.

Abolish prohibitions.

Let people make their own decisions.

kek

>The classic philosophy hipster who thinks the nordic countries are actually socialist because his smelly professor told him so.

the last panel is a strawmen.
the reason for not taking Scandinavia as role-model for a working economy is their extreme over-taxation and the subsequent jarring effect it has on the markets and private income. It's big-gov vs small-gov, and republicans are traditionally small-gov.

Ask yourself: Do you want to pay a 40% and higher income tax (germany here, we pay 47% actually), even for the lowest income levels?

While the american system surely has a less well developed social security net, it is so much easier in your economy to ascend economic status, due to the high portion of income you can keep for yourself. UNless you are stuck on minimum wage levels, it's so much easier for you to save up money and put it into improved living standards.
We have to work a lot more hours to gain the same income, which is a big part of why most people in big gov nations don't even attempt to build or buy a house for their families and rather rent mid-sized apartments until they retire.
and don't fool yourself. Social security in germany, a nation proud to call itself one of the most social caring nations whatsoever, still puts you below poverty thresholds, barely able to do anything but to sit in your flat and get lobotomized by shit-tier TV.

It's not socialist ffs

wait...do I get a flat and a shit-tier tv?

That's not what was important, retard

>Ask yourself: Do you want to pay a 40% and higher income tax (germany here, we pay 47% actually), even for the lowest income levels?

Not the case. I live in Finland, I make about 30k a year, I pay 16% income tax. And I'm fucking sure someone making 30k in Germany doesn't pay 47% income tax.

It's never been a particularly rich country, and foreign trade has gone down a lot since the 80s.

All these pro capitalist comments are forgetting about corporate-welfare. Companies which only exist to make money being given handouts to help support them.

Since even Trump has done this, should we just start calling Trump a socialist too? It makes as much sense as calling healthcare/education-advocates socialists. Other countries don't call this socialism, they just call it common sense. The only people who benefit from this is big pharma and the extremely rich.

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Reminder: socialism is a scale and the United States has socialist programs.

Okay. It wasn’t important Bush Jr went against the UN and invaded Iraq. Thanks for clarifying

>40% and higher income tax (germany here, we pay 47% actually)
1) I don't believe you
2) In exchange for strong social programs? YES, that much of my paycheck goes to student loans and medical bills already for fucks sake.

hey you found a knockoff

cry more

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Viel dies!

Fucking this. This user

Good job buying a chinese ripoff.
I bet you also have a rolex made in china that you think is real. Even the lefty fact check site snopes knows you are full of shit.
snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-hat-china/

I get around 750€ in total per month.
300€ of that get directly send to my landlord (42m2 / bath, kitchen, single room).
another 50€ go to warm water/ electricity.
Mobile /Internet are another 50€ in total.
Since I'm a smoking retard, I pay about 180€ for cigarettes alone (a pack a day for 6€ each).
So I'm left with 170€ for the whole month to buy food, clothes, or any other expenses that might come my way.
If my PC breaks, no spare for components.
Can't afford a car or even a drivers license.
Public transport is 2€ for 1h.

My wellfare gets cut immediatly should I decide to do any job training. Without it, I'm not legally allowed to do any job but one below minimum wage. If Do work below minimum wage, I'm allowed to keep 120€. Anything above gets ceised as compensation for my welfare check.

Can't get any job training, can't improve my education, can't do anything but to keep being the welfare-queen that I am.

And no, I don't even have a TV, nor could afford one. Blelieve me when I tell you that you are blessed twofold:
You nation does not require you by law to have a job-license for even the most rudimentary entry jobs, and if you take them, you get payed decently compared to me.
And btw, I'm one of the 15% joblless people of our nation that are stuck in this welfare hell, and another 19% receive gov-subsidies for their flat or other things, too.

Oh, and did I mention the 19% trade tax we pay for every purchase on top of that, regardless if welfare queen or not?
European "socialism" surely does sound great, doesn't it?

>the last panel is a strawmen.
>Do you want to pay a 40% and higher income tax (germany here, we pay 47% actually), even for the lowest income levels?
oh, the irony

Then why is the average Scandinavian better off than the average American financially?

Maybe because they don't need to pay thousands a month for health insurance, which if they lose or aren't covered for something could send them bankrupt. Maybe the price of drugs not being continuously gouged by unregulated pharma companies.

Being put below the poverty threshold and only being able to watch tv isn't that bad or great, it's just a good model for how it should be. You don't want to make welfare an incentive for lazyness but you also don't want to have people living on streets and hungry because all they could afford was their overpriced medicines.

dude, I live in this bullshit.
we pay about 23%-28% income tax (depending on income class) on top of a 19% trade tax on every purchase.
You do the math.

youtube.com/watch?v=HnxuVoGihFs

Holy shit I'm so glad to hear that, honestly. Now there is one less thing to hate Trump about. I still have a few dozen others, but it's nice for a day to go bye where I lost a reason instead of gaining a new one.

so what is stopping these 15% of people that literally have nothing to do to push for reform?

You gay nigga

kein fernsehen? Wow. Das ist ungewöhnlich. Aber gut

>Then why is the average Scandinavian better off than the average American financially?
Are they?

>Then why is the average Scandinavian better off than the average American financially?
Better education, really.
They have a way lower longtime-jobless rate than the US. Also, Sweden once was blessed with good economy, too. Since they took in masses of refugees, their system is on the brink of collapsing.
Now look at your sprawling suburbs and imagine what would happen to your economy if it were as inflexible as Sweden's.

You niggers realize we had this socialism argument since the 40s?
Just because you fags found the internet and thought you grew a pubic hair until you pissed outta it, younthink all of this shit is a new argument?
Shits been around for decades. Still hasn’t been implemented.

This cunt has NO power. None. Zero. Nada. She is a freshman senator who gets attention because she's attractive and has big tits. Pelosi will rein her in soon.

Now imagine all of that, but you also have to work 30-40 hours a week. That's America.

.aaand they’re gonna blaze you

>European "socialism" surely does sound great, doesn't it?
Literally all of that sounds better than the stint of homelessness I did in my 20's

Despite the famous german stoicism?
Because we are leftist as fuck, and those who actually have any spirit to fight against their shitty living conditions are usually AntiFa drones, who have no idea how the economy works, nor how to fix it. Hence leftist politics stay in place and this nation fucks itself like the incestuous human centipede it is.

That’s on you.

Representative, not senator, and I agree that she only gets support because men want to fuck her face. Just watch her twitter for a couple of days. She has shit for brains.

Yet OP is a national SOCIALIST

Sometimes she says confusing things. So Republicans laaaaaugh. She was accused of breaking finance laws. So Republicans laaaaaaaaugh.

Irony

LOL

life?
>barely able to do anything but to sit in your flat and get lobotomized by shit-tier TV.
Looking for work?
>My wellfare gets cut immediatly should I decide to do any job training
School?
>Can't get any job training, can't improve my education, can't do anything but to keep being the welfare-queen that I am.

That’s not a badge of honor to wear.
No one cares but you

I deleted my post when i saw how wrong I was, feel free to delete the reply.

Read the part about welfare getting canceled if one tries to improve his chances on the jobmarket.
True, no one in germany is truly homeless. But no one really has a chance to get a better life, either. Perpetual poverty hell, regardless how hard you try.
You made it off the streets at least. Some improvement we only have a chance for on paper and there alone.

>That’s not a badge of honor to wear.
>implying

Implying what?

that they were talking about a badge of honor to wear, keep up dipshit

My socialist fire department kicks ass!

I love my socialist international highways!

I got an amazing socialist public education that catapulted me into a great career.

Thanks, America!

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I read that part. Sounds to me like it would have been a nice "between" period. Making you pay while *looking* for work, that part is pretty retarded though.

So are you keeping up it’s nit?

*not*

wat

How does welfare work there? In the US, we have unemployment insurance, that employers have to pay to the state. Is it completely taxed based, hence the need for compensation? How much do you need to pay back?

Actually Sweden is ranked number one in most everything including quality of living. So that proves you wrong. America's healthcare system is ranked dead last and we have the highest amount of people imprisoned in the world. Prisons for profit. I guess capitalism is broken. We live in a state of corporate socialism, where the extremely rich are not paying taxes. Time to fix it.

I'm still stuck on mobilization, why if 15% of people that have basic necessities met with no shit to do don't in some way mobilize. I'm guessing the answer is political but I don't know how.

>we are left as fuck
You are a shit poker player, because when you reveal your left as fuck hand, you will be strung along by someone who knows what bulahitnyou have.
Have fun as a bottom feeding sign waving faggot pawn

It’s not a badge to wear.
Keeping up now?

lol Change is slow in Germany

We know. Cause the merk is still there

oy vey

>you're

Jew ok?
Jew need some help?
Jew know what transpired?

except in all the countries where it is... sweden, canada, etc... thats the problem with uneducated muricans, you can't tell the difference between socialism and communism.

Why do lefties compare European countries to the US? It's a better comparison to compare the whole EU to the US. Sweden has the population of basically Michigan, ONE STATE. They also enjoy nationalism in a small scale. We don't have the social cohesion and geographical similarities to even make this a reasonable 1 to 1 comparison.

False

>attacks grammar
>understood anyway
>no retort other than grammar nazi
Usually a sign you lost

Lolololololol

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I don't need to pay back anything.
But all other germany pay for it with their taxes.
23-28% for 1100€ -1500€ brutto
29-33& for 1600€ - 2000€ brutto
34-36% for 2100€ -2500€ brutto
And a 19% flat trade tax on top.
Additional taxes for cars, should you have one.

Prove it

>sine
>undertsteed
>grammaton

I'll tell you what, i'll support danish welfare as soon as we have racial demographics closer to denmark.

If we can get close to 90 percent white population, no doubt those policies would work.

I'm just pointing out facts. What you choose to do with them is up to you. If you're ok with everything that has been going on in America for the last fifty years then you are part of the problem.

Reminder: You have to be at least 18 years old to post on this board.

>liberals are the racist party

Despite I didn't even respond to you.
Some random user did.
But even if I'd address your post, what else but ad hominem is to be found there?

>the president of the united states has nearly no power

lol do you even hear yourself right now

Conservatives always use ad hominem until they get insulted, then the try to flip the script.

>less social security net, easier to ascend economically
>stuck in welfare hell
The choice seems simple. Dealing with a welfare hell isn't as bad as going hungry, being homeless or not being able to pay for healthcare/meds.

Also, ease up on bitching about how much money you get, you're spending more than half of your disposable income on cigarettes and bitching that you can't afford things that you actually need. Cut down on your smoking by half and save.

I did a bit of googling and couldn't find out all that much. I know I could be wrong, but I don't believe you about not being allowed to train or study while on welfare. It wouldn't make sense and wouldn't benefit anyone.

In case you were asking about this
>If Do work below minimum wage, I'm allowed to keep 120€
That is the only form of compensation I'd pay directly, if I'd work. Sometimes I do, currently I don't.
Working 40h for 120€ extra basically is the stellar opposite of attractive.

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Socialism goes well with border walls.

I'm not okay with it, but I'm also realistic in that we fundamentally can't be compared to countries like Sweden. Using the same equivalency of US to EU, could you imagine if the EU unilaterally decided that all of their participating countries would be forced to take on their own form of ACA or universal healthcare? They would lay an egg, much like the US did. This does not come to me as a surprise, unlike people on the left who can't seem to understand. This is apples to oranges and a very poor example and reference as to how to fix our problems.

>redd*t
go back

>if some guy makes something 60-100 years ago with a public research grant all modern derivatives are started with gov money

Well, one upside of this bullshit system is to really bring out the creativity in people in terms of side income, so I actually do save some.
Also, I bitch more as a representative for this shitty system. personally I can afford my smoking habbit, but many people drown their shitty life-decissions in alcohol and not much else, so there are quite many people who are even worse off than me.
Can you blame them? Probably, but ask yourself honestly if you could walk in their shoes for a decade and do better.

Did I insult you in any capacity?
No?
Then you are the exception to your rule.

that filename and gif
tits or GTFO

Still having a GDR birth certificate...

>the history of man kind
Well maybe the time of MAN kind is over and
it is now the time for Woman kind to take over!

Get fucked.
Honest recommendation.

Ohai, Trudeau

>tfw only big cities have socialist/non volunteer/non private FD's
>tfw the US highway system was founded by somebody who literally went to war over stopping socialism
>tfw you give a nigger a GIBMEDATS degree and he still gets arrested for armed robbery

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>I did a bit of googling and couldn't find out all that much. I know I could be wrong, but I don't believe you about not being allowed to train or study while on welfare. It wouldn't make sense and wouldn't benefit anyone.
That's the gist of our politics.
Doesn't make much sense and usually doesn't benefit anyone.

You don't event know the difference of socialism and marx's socialism (which Is pretty huge, Marx one being the most probable outcome of any capitalist society). You might think you live under a capitalist system, but that's just a product of your imagination, based on unsystematic thinking, a serious epidemic of our times, the incapacity of reasoning. Considering that capitalism is a free market economy where labor is considered a commodity, the United States of America is in fact, not a capitalist society, because it lacks the element of free market. It does not only intervenes to an extreme degree on the market through huge subsidies, and saving banks when they loose all there money lending it to Nigeria (Making highly risking loans with no risk, there's the catch), but it's also, to your surprise, and of all of the brainwashed zombies that walks the earth, a centralized economy. Why? Well, simply because of centralization of capital. If you, for once in your life, try investigate a little bit, you would find out that behind all of those product names, there are very few companies behind them. All sectors of the market are dominated by 5 or 4 huge corporations and all of these corporations are as well owned by banks, which, again, behind of all of those different a showy names, there's only 3 of them. What does offshoring, the hole industrial sector moving to Asia from one day to another, has to do with capitalism? That's a highly centralized operation. Your people are enslaved by banks, who are invencible becouse the state give them all of their money bank when they go broke, the financial sector should be managed by the state no matter what. Court says that these is ok because we need to get your money back, the one you left on the bank, and instead of making banks public, they keep the private because of "moral values", when is actually a gargantuan fraud to create a feudalistic capitalism class that is ruling the world.

The people getting bombed sure thought it was important. Fucking hell what a piece of shit.

All of those countries already have universal healthcare. Look it up

Perhaps you also think that you have "rights", or something like that. But that, again, is a product of your imagination and your inability to think for yourself. If you keep being as insignificant and inoffensive as the insect you are, they have no problem "respecting your right", but mess with actual powerful people, you'll end up like Julian Assange.

If fact, they also have judges in China, and lawyers, and all the facade you call "democracy".

The most frustrating thing right now is having the villainizing socialist policies and labeling it socialism. I'm convinced it's some political hitjob to scare poorly read, uneducated people into thinking giving 'free' healthcare to everyone is SoCiaLIsM OoOOoOoOO. The same people who vote against socialized health care are the ones most dependent on those social security checks coming in every month.

I make about 70K and am taxed at about 26%. I only pay about 90 bucks on top of that per month for health insurance which is not bad I guess for a single guy in his mid 20s but I would GLADLY pay an extra 200 per month in taxes if it meant I didn't have to worry about how fucked up our insurance system is in the US - deductibles, max out of pocket, copays, 20% after out of pocket, in-network, out-of-network.... I pay over $1000 a year to just not be sick and can incur $2500 worth of medical expenses before my health insurance would even kick in. That's pretty fucked. I know there is better out there but It's fucked that I'm even fortunate enough to have this.

What if I have kids and a wife? my $90 insurance is now 350-500? and all I get are higher deductibles.

I would gladly pay more now and not worry nearly as much and also feel okay that the dude who aren't even as fortunate as me to have health insurance can get covered universally

I know this. You're still missing the point completely. In the same equivalency, then Michigan would have implemented their own healthcare system as it fits THEM. Each state would have their own. It was not mandated to them from the EU.

These countries completely lack the diversity that we do, not just in the kinds of people, but the kinds of challenges. Bigger federal government means a one-size-fits-all for the entire country, which is completely impractical. These European countries manage healthcare on their own. Sweden doesn't have to pay more because another country might have a bunch of lazy poor fatasses.

If we were to actually model after Europe, these things should be at the state level, not federal. And like the EU, where you can move freely between participating countries, you can go to where your life decisions sees fit. This isn't unlike being able to move to another state. That's my point.

>I can afford my smoking habit
Yeah, I bet you alcoholics say the same thing. You were bitching about not affording necessary things like a car or a license and say you can afford your habit. Theres not much difference between an alcoholic or smoker who won't save money and try to ascend out of borderline poverty. I've got no problems with people actually doing that, but you can't bitch about your circumstances if you're not taking easy steps to fix it.

I've been in your position, from a country with similar but different philosophies. Welfare should be liveable but not to a point where someone doesn't want to work. It should be just bad enough that you actually inspire yourself to figure out an income or get a job.

Swell Propaganda chap! This is a great effort at spreading bad information :-)

So many retards here who think communism = socialism.

And don't understand that compassionate capitalism, ie Nordic capitalism, ie democratic socialism is what people in America mean by socialism.

A probably unnecessary clarification, when the state saves the banks, they are using your tax money to do that, in fact, the state is permanently taking loans from private banks, which it payment is probably where most of your money goes to.

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>it's the liberals who are racists

>implying that the US isn't socialist

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That dog is smarter than you, I know that much

Hey Germany, we need you to save white europe please.

Can your immigrants hurry the fuck up and rape the wrong girl so that you guys can snap and .... do that thing you do?

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No

Very nice

Last time Germany did that thing they do, the Jews got their own country.

>but not democratic socialism and regular socialism
>because they’re the same

>I'm convinced it's some political hitjob to scare poorly read, uneducated people
The only people who really benefit from it are huge corporations and especially the pharmaceutical industry. It's fascinating seeing people following their rhetoric and being the biggest NPC's around. Same thing goes with climate change, people have been eating up and regurgitating corporate talking points for years.

if only you were a greedy, selfish piece of shit, you'd see things differently

I told you what I could and couldn't do with my official income. I do have an unofficial one, tho.
Now if I'd were to take a driving course and buy a car (which I very well could at this point), I'd had the bureaucrats knocking on my door, asking wtf is going on. I need to maintain a second bank account, since I'm forced to disclose any accounts and belongings of my actual ID, so I use a compliant relatives name who set up this account for me in his name.
In germany you either learn to play the system or get fucked by it.
In about 8 months I'll finally have made enough to afford living the next 3 years legitimately without wellfare, allowing me to undertake legit job training as programmer and earn my certificate, so I can get the fuck out of this poverty hell.

Until then, I'm officially a welfare queen, as the state expects me to be.

The important part was that it wasn't inside Europe.

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Did you hit your head on something at the glory hole, motherfucker? Dumb as fuck.

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Socialism means ownership of the means of productions by workers, the elimination of private property thus being necessary (you are allowed to use tools and shit because you work there, not because you are you, in capitalism, you let people use the tools that only you, because of being you, are able to use, in exchange of owning everything they do), communism is communal ownership of wealth, which does also need elimination of private property. Wanna say this because the pleb thinks socialism has something to do with taxes. Does not what Eisntein, Betrand Russell, Noam Chomsky, Marx, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Tolstoi, Nietzsche, etc.. called socialism.

tl;dr

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>obvious trap is obvious

No.. just no.. don't use that anti-first amendment symbol with anti-communism. While I agree that machine preserves freedom and we should slaughter communist without mercy, we don't need to look like them.

cuck sanders needs to be in that image as well. Fix this.

Socialist politics fucked us to the point where we are now.
Why the hell would I put my money on national socialists then?
Both the left and right are equally retarded here.

I swear to god this BS gets posted every day.

1. All economies are mixed to some degree

2. Countries like northern europe are what people mean when they talk about socialism in modern discourse.

3. Northern European countries are thriving which is why people want to adopt their policies.

The sad thing is that you know this but just equivocate instead of engaging with ideas.

youtube.com/watch?v=uXdtafGdIVM

Reminder: AOC doesn't promote pure socialism

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>Northern European countries are thriving
see

Lol but they were Nat-zee’s so they don’t count lol.

>HURRRR

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Socialism means workers control over means of productions, taxes has nothing to do with socialism fucking retards

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>literally had their asses handed to them by Israel
Israel was created a decade after WWII.

>Roads/Bridges
>>shitty traffic Jams constantly
>>a drive that should take 10 minutes takes 2 hours

So you do agree that public transportation should be socialized?

>gets college degree
>doesn’t get job even remotely related to field of study

She’s literally all the evidence you need for not having free college

>Republican politics fucked us to the point where we are now.

ftfy

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also see
Northern European countries are not anything like the US, at a very fundamental level. This is a false equivalency and a pipe dream.

>spends every spare penny on contracting lung cancer voluntarily
>guise, soshalisum is baaad cos not fair

Try living off ramen despite working 40 hours a week you fucking whiney little faggot cunt. I hope your welfare gets cut.

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You don't understand.
We have actual socialists in control.
And yes, I get the difference between social democracy and socialism. We do not live in socialism (well, at least since 1989, which arguably isn't that long ago), but the actual politicians on the leftist side of our politics do not just subscribe to socialist and marxist ideals, they lived them, and push hard to re-establish them.
And in their pursuit of this goal, they have fucked our economy greatly, to the point where germany begins to resemble the GDR again. Another decade or two on this road and I bet you we have the same shit all over again. Well, this time with the EU-parliament compliantly under "our" control.

see
*laughs in master-race

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3 years on welfare has got to be tough, but still I can't imagine you'd rather be in that situation in the US. All I'm trying to say is that despite what everyone says about welfare systems being anti-capitalistic, Germany's model has forced you into a position where you're not starving/homeless/unhealthy(?) but still heavily pushed you toward wanting to get training and a job. If you work for even 3 years in the next few years you alone will have paid off more in taxes than you costed in 3 years,

All that said though, Germany seems pretty shit when it comes to bureaucracy and dealing with the welfare/tax system. I imagine that the heart and strategy is in the wrong place just executed very poorly. Eitherway it sounds like you're in an alright position at the moment, good luck with the programming.

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I HATE NIGGERS

Dude, german here.
It were the socialists.
Non-disputable historical fact.

The US obviously gets fucked by its progressive elements, but your republican's are several shades of grey, too. Why you still maintain a 2-party voting pool escapes me.

China is run by a communist party and even they aren't even fully fledged communists. Why would a socialist politician be any different?

China?

right place*

thx.
And yes, politics motivated more by heart than by brains is precisely the font our death sentence is formulated in.

>Detroit: Ran into the ground by liberals and unions.

Kek tell me more

The advantage of free college is just better-educated people. Which means less dumb cunts like you flapping their cock-slot around like you know anything.

Ocasio-Cortez is so hideous.

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I'm a conservative, and I also hate the fact we're a 2 party system. It starts in the primaries, and ends in the general election. I still believe that most people ride in the middle and vote for the lesser of two evils. The fear is that voting for a 3rd party is a wasted vote, so it would influence one party or another.

I think the only way it can be resolved is to create a voting system where you can vote for first and second choice. This would allow someone to vote for who they REALLY want, but if they don't meet the count, your vote would fall back to who you would have voted for if not forced into a single vote system.

I know some countries do this, and I have no idea what the implementation would look like, but I have no doubt that the "one chance, one vote" system we have has a lot to do with it.

what's it to you?

does chinas social credit system or gulags for wrongthink ring a bell?
I mean, fuck Muslims, but even I wouldn't put them into a "re-education facility".

>Why would a socialist politician be any different?
Dunno. Maybe because they funnel tax money into socialist education programms that inadvertedly breed antifa-drones and spy on their parents.
We just recently had a scandal where the head of our family department formulated the intro for a handbook for Kindergarten workers to look out for "nationalists" sings in the behavior of the kids they work with.
Among these so called signs for nationalism were such lovely details as boys who train football or are overall sporty/athletic, or girls with pony-tails and dressed in skirts most of the time...

Just like Boeing...oh wait, nope

The fuck did you smoke tonight? It looks fun!

I'm almost as tired of seeing this fucking bitch's face as i am of seeing Hilary's wrinkled fucking face.

Rofl. Your strong implication is that education is equal to intelligence

*Detroit has been controlled by Democrats for the last 70 years

FTFY

This user = smart

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>Roads

Built by private corporations

>Bridges

Built by private corporations

>Education

Built by private corporations

>The list goes on

Built by private corporations

Socialism is ANTI PERSONAL PROPERTY and ANTI MERIT BASED

We use 1st and 2nd voice (still germany here).
Works good enough despite the fact that our parties have grinded to a hold share-wise many years ago, and grew accustomed to ever tighter cooperation and compromises so that many reached the point of indistinguishableness to one another. Currently a new party rocks the polls (AfD), triggering primal defense mechanisms in our established parties where they stubbornly refuse to cooperate in any democratic capacity with them, whatsoever. Meanwhile they resort to smear them as Nazis and whatnot, while taking notes with the other hand and copying many of their agendas to the letter to try to regain their former status of ruler elite.

That's very discouraging.

If you ask me, the party system itself should get the boot.
Direct democracy or bust.

Socialism won’t be instituted anytime soon
Good luck with your pipe dreams

We have a direct decmocracy.
States elect presidents. California can vote for whoever they want, directly

Who is advocating for socialism?

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I agree, but it's been something that we've had to deal with since pretty much the beginning. "You're either with us, or them"

It's only gotten worse with Obama. Trump is only an echo of the negative attitude changes that Obama brought into this country.

>One source trying to argue the Nazis were actually socialistic proved they were against thousands of historians and economists who have explained that they were not.

That's not really what direct democracy in concept is over here.
No parliament or capitol. Laws being brought forth as petitions and being voted on by the general public directly via frequent online votes.
Executive Ministers of state departments / Military Generals being voted by the people directly into / out of office, able to apply only with the correct educational background.
Basically a technocracy without any centralized legislative power. Only Executive and Judicative would remain in traditional style.

>it's been something that we've had to deal with since pretty much the beginning. "You're either with us, or them"
A solid educational system structured around critical thinking might be able to finally break this mentality.

>Le ebic libtard owning meme
>Completely lies about her being under investigation
Okay

I trust my eyes and ears.
I've lived under socialism long enough.
The far left and far right only differ in a few key points. And racism isn't even one of them.

>one source
>simply stating historical information
>trying to prove anything

>>China doubles life expectancy between 1949 to 1976
going from shit to better shhit. gj.
>>USSR goes from backward peasant nation to defeating Nazi Germany and being the first nation in space within 40 years.
lend lease. Stalin himself admits it
>>Cuba has one of the highest standards of living in Latin America despite being subject to an embargo by the most powerful nation in the world.
I have a bridge to sell you
>>Vietnam defeats the most powerful military on Earth.
credit where it's due... Nam swung above its weight three times in a row and one. They're tough sons of bitches.... who are capitalists now.

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Hitler's Germany had less social policies than modern day Denmark. Try and not have a double standard about what constitutes socialism.

China is a socialist country.

capitalism was succeeding before countries even existed, my m8.

Yur mum. She is wanting as much strange cock as the barristers wife guvna!

> less social policies than modern day Denmark
by that standard every nation on earth would be the 3rd Reich. Even the UdSSR.

Ok. That’s lovely.

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I 100% agree. I am a conservative, used to be registered Republican, now Independent. Good education is absolutely crucial and that is something I am willing to pay a lot of money toward investing in our society. I've personally obtained financial and economic literacy later in life, and I'm now convinced that if this was something that every American can share, it would change our approaches and attitudes to solving problems tremendously.

This was recently confirmed when people were complaining about their tax refunds, as if this is some magical number that they couldn't predict MONTHS before it hit them, and the left hinged on that. Absolutely ridiculous! We can't know the actual impact of taxes until the IRS releases their databook for 2018, which is usually late March. This will tell us if people are actually paying more, why they might be paying more(more people filing), etc. It's all idle conversation and conjecture until we get the facts.

>Vietnam
>capitalists
Uhh, what?

They’re similar to China in that they realised how incredibly retarded and poverty creating socialist economics is, and went through market reform.

So much like China, you can do business in Vietnam relatively freely, as long as you give the government 50% ownership

>no state will persist indefinitely.
>infinite unchanging nothingness.

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>But we hate communists which was the initial platform we used to get power in the first place and also accused Jews of being Communists.
You have done standard, the Nazis party had double standards, really your whole argument has more standards than wireless networking.

Hi Ivan! Slowing down on the bait threads, Ivan? No kopeks for you Ivan! Bad Ivan! Bad Ivan!

>By that standard
By the double standard that you guys seem to hold the word socialism to? Yes. Everyone is X, right up until it challenges your narrative then it isn't really X, just X-adjacent.

So no answer because you fucks can never explain how anyone is advocating for socialism without running afoul of the "that's not REAL socialism" when people point out countries with the social policies you label socialist succeeding.

Double standards.

>Hates communists
>allies with them to go into Poland
>gives them Finland for the taking

“hates”

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>It's capitalist now
>50% capitalist
If having 50% capitalism = capitalism then nobody is advocating for socialism in the US because nobody is asking to take ALL the capital away and give it to the government.

Checkmate.

Economic mobility isn't as high as you think it is. There are a lot of factors that prevent those in the lower class to rising above their current situation.

>"I'm sure that Nero didn't set fire to Rome. It was the Christian-Bolsheviks who did that, just as the Commune set fire to Paris in 1871 and the Communists set fire to the Reichstag in 1932."
>*Piggybacks the wave of fear into power*

I am not the user you’re replying to originally. It’s barely capitalism, much like most modern western countries from the end of WW2 to now where by the government doesn’t own any % of your capital/business but taxes and regulates the living shit out of your business is barely capitalism