Don't expect any of you to believe me, or really care, but after nearly 30 years I've finally managed to work out the nature of the universe. Certain things I've been able to prove logically. This isn't any kind of drug-induced enlightenment, I have never done drugs. I wish to test myself in this regard, so please feel free to ask me any questions.
tl;dr AMA, pic unrelated (but awesome)
Why am I still a virgin
What created the universe?
Is war natural?
What is the purpose of God?
Maslow would be proud of you.
Who let the dogs out?
Who who who who who
Is there a prime cause?
An entity or force from a dimension we cannot perceive that sits outside our universe. Many people would call this entity God, but it depends on your definition of God. Personally I believe God is simply a greater power and/or our creator, and as such I would refer to that as God, but it may not suit everyone. God's reason for creating our universe is not only unknown, it is inherently unknowable.
If it wasn't, it wouldn't happen.
Inherently unknowable, though we can theorise about the reason and purpose of our universe's creation, and try to extrapolate from that. Knowing what I now know, I personally believe the purpose of our being is to develop our 'souls' to the point that we may traverse the dimensional barrier to meet with God, but there's an awful lot to explain there and far too much for a thread.
Apologies, I've spent my life avoiding the philosophical works of others so that my own musings would go untainted. I would need you to elaborate on these points before I could understand them.
Sitting alone in a room with only your thoughts as company don't make you figure out "the nature of the universe", OP. You viewing yourself as some kind of great thinker is probably the only thing keeping your miserable identity afloat.
Neat. I'm very excited to hear you explain how you came to the knowledge that this is so. I'm quite certain it won't amount to, "It's intuitive to me that this is so, therefore this is so."
Really? Because reading your posts make me immediately think of taint. Weird.
>what is schizophrenia
What's after death
I was getting my annual check-up with a new doctor. He had been practicing medicine for years, but didn't want to learn about other peoples' medicine so as not to taint his own. I'm writing this from the afterlife.
It would take a significant explanation far too long for this thread, but if I try to cover the very basic premise, it has to do with resolving a paradox created when you consider the nature of infinity. Essentially the nature of infinity makes it impossible for either space or time to be infinite, and yet infinity is totally inescapable because a finite universe is a system that must be part of something larger. The resolution of the paradox revolves around the idea that infinity stretches along a dimension we can't perceive, and that travelling along that dimension alters the fundamental rules of our reality as we understand them, at which point the concept of infinity itself becomes invalid.
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I have two questions to ask, if I may:
1. Do you believe in social darwinism?
2. What are your thoughts on an eternal afterlife?
What is my endgame?
is there such thing as an objective morality? Elaborate on morality If you can
What a shitload of cancer in this thread
Ah. Well that which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
You can't explain your position, because it's simply too far beyond my abilities. But I have sour news: I'm afraid in my own work I've discovered that all of your claims are exactly wrong. I'd explain how, but there simply isn't room. Sorry!
You will have to elaborate on 'social darwinism'.
As for an eternal afterlife, I know that there is something beyond this life/universe, and while our role in that is essentially unknown I personally believe that a part of our being at least has the ability to persist after death. However this could be anything ranging from ascending and meeting god, all the way down to something as simple as a record or memory of our life existing beyond.
OP beeing a smartass on most of the questions. Also if you can't simplify it, dat means you didn't rly understand it mate.
I get the impression you didn't read beyond the first sentence of my reply. Perhaps try again?
I can give very simple answers, but without explanation or context they would be readily/easily dismissed. Surely you can understand that? I'm giving the briefest answers I can without jeopardising context.
No one loves you?
>Certain things I've been able to prove logically
>Prove logically
So you haven't actually "proven" anything with evidence, it's just what SEEMS "right" to you according to your "logic".
No, logic is absolute. At least in our universe.
>Essentially the nature of infinity makes it impossible for either space or time to be infinite.
And you'd explain why the nature of infinity makes this impossible, but there's no room and you don't have time.
>a finite universe is a system that must be part of something larger
And you'd explain why it must be part of something larger, but there's no room and you don't have time.
>travelling along that dimension alters the fundamental rules of our reality as we understand them, at which point the concept of infinity itself becomes invalid.
>And you'd explain how this word salad of an explanation has any more basis in reality than a garbage sci-fi book, or scientology, but there's no room and you don't have time.
So in your work, have you ever considered that perhaps you're delusional, and that while you perceive yourself to have uncovered a great truth, perception can be deceiving, and that for this reason, a testable hypothesis is infinitely more valuable than a hunch, no matter how sincerely that hunch is felt to be true?
See
I'm not really sure what you expect. If you think the reasoning of something so vast and complex can be described to you in a Yea Forums post then I think you need to reconsider your expectations. Besides, I never said I didn't have room/time to elaborate on those particular points, you just assumed as such because you're impatient, snarky, and for some reason really buttmad.
Just as a side note, can anyone explain why there is no board on Yea Forums for philosophy?
Still better than the n-th porn thread you cunt.
You see the flaw is that what you FEEL is right is not nessecarily actually logical.
People call things "logical" all the time when it's really just their feelings.
You're not even correct about actual logic though, just look up logical paradoxes. Logic is just a framework to organise thoughts, not some universal language. If that's what you want then it exists already and is called "math".
Way to go man. Its rly entertaining tho. The way you phrase your answers. The only things you rly seem to like goin into detail is if a question involves god. Watching lunatics like you online is hilarious.
>Y-youre just MAD for doubting and mocking muh pseudo-philosophical ramblings!
Wew
No, sir. I read your very basic premise, but I'm afraid I have the unfortunate task of informing you that your notions are scatterbrained and incoherent. You are not Galileo, I am not the Church, and no one is suppressing your new science; you are simply enjoying a temporary delusion that you have uncovered a great truth, something which happens quite regularly. Sadly, the specifics of these great truths uncovered by people who insist they are not lunatics, are all uncorrelated with each other. One person discovers that the world is run by reptile-men. Another, that an alien spacecraft hidden behind a comet is coming to collect the faithful. Great truths that actually are true and actually matter are testable. Are your great truths testable? Is there any testable scenario for which they would predict a result different than those already known to science? If not, then of what use are they? If the great truth is that we are brains in vats, living in a fiction that perfectly simulates living in a real world, then what difference does it make?
Because it would fester with smartarses like these who think they've cracked it.
No, this one is obviously trolling.
But there are mathematical paradoxes as well.
please don't tell him how to find it
Yeah but math is still more objective than the feelings you label "logic".
No knowledge impervious to 'testing' because we don't know everything, and neither do you
P. S. speak to be understood, not to look smart/polite.
this very much
I'm sorry, I buried my questions at the end; perhaps you didn't get there. Here they are again, without so many words to get through first:
Are your great truths testable?
Is there any testable scenario for which they would predict a result different than those already known to science?
Explain consciousness.
What is the purpose of life, and if you want a startpoint to becoming a psychonaut, try a low dose of lsd then work yourself up to a decently high dose of shrooms then DMT and you'll truly start understand shit, you can still reach these points by thinking and meditation but you can never fully understand them
ITT: Theology student claims he know it all, Yea Forums ruins his day
How to get grill to like me? How to get frens?
No way this guy is a student. That would require reading, which would dull his genius. I'm thinking this guy's primary focus of study is weed and jacking it.
Just made my day
I don't think you understand what logic is. Logic and math are practically interchangeable. It's not "hmm, I think it would be logical to eat before my run", it's "If all A are B and all B are C, then all A are C"
>doing huge does of lsd
>thinking youve unlocked secrets
In reality you end up homeless and half retarded telling everyone about the delusions your mind as created.
Misunderstanding here, user. I'm not OP, I thought you were.
Have a good day bro
They can only be tested conceptually, because we cannot create infinity with which to test. Still if you can comprehend certain facets of the nature of infinity, there are logical absolutes we can confirm, and working with them we can uncover truths. Also the post you just replied to wasn't me (OP) btw.
Still no response to this. I think OP must have transcended into a being of pure energy. Unfortunately, his immediate trajectory intersected with his phone, which was on 10% battery. The energy which formerly was OP can no longer support a conscious mind, but on the plus side, his phone is now at 12% battery.
Never done drugs, they create false enlightenment.
This user gets it.
>Still no response
>Third reply
user....
Doing lsd doesn't let you see the meaning of life, it just let's you see what you think the meaning of life is. The idea that this sort of shit "unlocks" some untapped potential in your brain is kinda stupid.
So your great truths can't be used to predict anything that science can't already predict, BUT you pinky swear that by meditating on them, new truths can be uncovered, and presumably these ones *can* be tested.
Neat. Come back when you have one of those.
Except as I mentioned people describe whatever dumb idea they come up with like your example as "logical".
That's how you get people like op.
If finding out the nature of the universe was so easy that a guy could do it in 30 years, then it would have been found out already.
That's what i call logic
I mean you seem pretty close minded and I think having insane desires for material wealth just to please others isn't that healthy for humans, but hey you def haven't tried any psychedelics and you're probably some sad invidiual
Never implied it unlocks anything it barely lets you understand how a state of mind and how something can alter your very existance at its core, stop putting words in my mouth plebian
You are wrong
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And OP thinking everything is logical in our universe when everything is so chaotic and all the current theories of the universe are based on nonsense that have been guessed and cannot even be measured, we don't know shit about the universe and I bet we will never, saying you did that in 30 years sound absoultely autsitic, get your skitzo meds op
>The universe having an innate nature, meaning, or value
>"Logic"
You've already fucked up, OP.
>if you can comprehend certain facets of the nature of infinity, there are logical absolutes we can confirm, and working with them we can uncover truths.
This claim is actually testable!
OP, you predict that by working with your "logical absolutes," "confirmed" by "comprehending certain facets of the nature of infinity," we can uncover truths.
I predict that someone doing this will uncover precisely dick.
Let's test this! OP, you get to work confirming via comprehension (because fuck the agreed meaning of words, right?), and I'll get to work *not* doing that. And we'll see if you come up with more truths than I do.
It would be nice if the truths you uncover were more testably true than the one you're starting with, because otherwise we're just going to get into a loop of gathering more and more untestable truths, but I think we both know that's where this is going. But hey, I'd love for you to prove me wrong. Get to it, OP! No need to exchange contact information; I'm sure your revelations will make a big enough splash to be heard 'round the world.
He kept it up good for a few posts. A steady and well phrased flow of bullshit.
Will I ever have sex with my best friend?
I'm a M.D. in that field
And yet it isn't logic at all. it seems most people in this thread don't understand what true logic is.
I like how this whole thread kinda blew up. Kthxbai
What did you expect?
This whole thread is based on not understanding logic.
Morons asking dat guy actual questions
No way, man. OP is just too busy getting started on this testable claim. I'm excited. Armed with his genius, how long could it take for him to come up with a new testable truth anyway? Couple of days? This is going to be an interesting March.
>a finite universe is a system that must be part of something larger.
Prove it.
What will kill the human race? And why is it over population?
He doesn't have time. His weed guy is coming in like five minutes, dude.
Oh imagine what hes gotta go thru everytime he visits dat guy.
OP I agree.
>e=mc2
which means inside every piece of mass, is stored energy, a lot of it. that means everything on earth and in space is just energy.
I think in some way God is that energy. thats why religious people say they feel gods presence, cuz they are connecting their spiritual energy to that of the universe. and when they die their energy lives on. i.e. heaven. but people that refuse to connect eventually die and their energy maybe disappears?
but like you said our brains can't begin to comprehend whats really going on. thats why theres people drawing pictures of god as a person, and heaven as a place. cuz the true definition couldn't possibly be understood by humans. maybe cuz we only use 10% of our brains capability?
I would have to write a book to explain all this, I think. It seems I'll have to break everything down to its absolute most basic level in order for people to not cry bullshit like everyone in this thread.
I've tried explaining that a simple explanation won't cover everything, of course it won't, but you guys will just keep asking for more and more elaboration, so what do you want from me?
Want to know why our universe must be finite? Because if it was infinite it would create all possible things, including that which would destroy all possible things, and therefore we would not exist.
Want to know why it must also be infinite? Because if it is finite in both space and time then there is both space and time outside of it, a point of creation in both, and therefore something lies beyond our universe, and this continues to be true for all finite systems, until we reach infinity.
How do we resolve this paradox? already explained that in another post.
Does it matter? No, because everybody here is so insecure you'd rather participate in your ignorant echo-chamber of hatred, fear and doubt.
I was really hoping for some substantial discussion, but you people are so fucking low on the intellectual spectrum that you call bullshit without realising just how stupid your own comments are.
dumb ass user is a dumbass.
what the fuck do you think meditation is?
our brains are capable of understanding anything.
doesn't mean we do cuz we don't.
but its possible with a lot of thinking and meditation and we could begin to understand the universe. cuz we are all connected. everything and everyone is the exact same thing. when broken down to atoms and shit
>spouting the exact same bullshit as every highschool teenager justifying his intellectual lazyness
>my thoughts are pure, deep and untainted
"You have money, right?"
"What *is* money, but a shadow, a reflection of the uncountable, distilled into discreet units of matter? I don't expect you to understa-"
"No money no weed."
"Shit I got like... 18?"
"...wasting my fucking time with this bullshit I'M GIVING YOU MOSTLY STEMS, FUCKER"
Buddy of mine getting drunk girls with this exact "i figuered out the universe and the secret of life" vibe kinda bullshit all the time. Rly getting into theire heads. Ofc its bs tho.
>that means everything on earth and in space is just energy.
That's not what that means.
>thats why religious people say they feel gods presence
If God was actually some form of energy, it would be detectable.
>they are connecting their spiritual energy
What is spiritual energy?
>maybe cuz we only use 10% of our brains capability?
This is false. We use our entire brain.
>I would have to write a book to explain all this, I think.
Awesome, get to it. Remember, the title TIME CUBE is already taken.
This thread just got better again
Put up or shut up. Write your book and show the world or stop talking.
You won't though. You'll fill notebooks with your ponderings and talk about how *someday* you'll get it all in order and write that book, but you can't put them in order, because they're the nonsense products of a delusional mind.
Nah I'm actually writing a book, it's very early stages though, I came here to get a sense of what people would need breaking down and what people's general attitude to such a claim would be. Seems I have my work cut out for me.
I know we use our entire brain.
this why I said 'capability' nig nog
go watch a video explaining e=mc2 cuz you obviously have no idea what it means
Sooooo.....You haven't actually "worked out" anything. Just the same old, tired "I dunno cuz we can't know" explanation. Got it.
im not OP you dip. I just agree with him cuz I've done a lot of thinking and research for myself
Yeah, my plans to fuck Emma Watson are in their very early stages. Let's see if your plans ever amount to more than mine will.
>I know we use our entire brain.
>this why I said 'capability' nig nog
Which is false.
>go watch a video explaining e=mc2 cuz you obviously have no idea what it means
Considering I actually studied it in college...
Not OP, but according to Marvin Minsky, one of the fathers of AI, consciousness really is "a big suitcase", a word that means all kinds of things in all kinds of context. Consciousness, as in perception of the self from within, probably doesn't even exist. You create and constantly amend a model of what or who you think you are, however in doing this you follow the same principles that apply to your model of others. As far as you are concerned, there is no "you", only another individual whose body happens to house the brain you use for thought.
E=MC2
ENERGY = MASS
C2 is the speed of light squared. (the process of unlocking the stored energy in MASS)
MASS is everything
meant to link this comment
to you
One day when hes old and cancerous he will sit in front of a fire burning them, regretting these wasted hours, days, years. Because in the end he finally got to the core, knew that one only truth. Because she told it to him so many times: You know nuffin jon snow.
>college
lol
implying you learn actualities and truths from americas liberal run colleges
I already know the nature of universe and reason for entire existence. It's so simple people are not happy with the explanation and go laughable distance trying add in fantastic theories about it.
If there wasn't existence. There would be nothing. But there can not be nothing without existence because they're opposites of each other. Matter and anti-matter.
So that's the big bang, time and existence itself. A paradox. We're in constant motion (time) because it's only way to not have paradox that. We exist because only possibility of not having inherent paradox of existence is that someones looks and measures it.
Only way for everything to make sense is that you look thing and set what it is.
It doesn't matter how deep in microcosmos we can see or how far in space. There's always something because not having anything is not possible.
example.
everyone knows children are born with a third eye, can see ghosts and shit.
thats just another capability our brain has that we can't access, ever. cuz it closes by age 9 or something
>Geez you're just too stupid to understand muh genius Revelations! The universe is both finite and infinite like some ebin buddhist thing!
Lol anyway your mistake is misunderstanding how words are used, when people say the universe is infinite they don't mean that it contains every conceivable possibility, just that it goes on infinitely.
>if it is finite in both space and time then there is both space and time outside of it
Your conclusion does not follow the premise. You don't realise this because for your pet theory your vague inclinations fill in all the blanks and logical leaps based on you already deciding you're right.
You're also not scientifically accurate. Space and time are actually space-time and are a feature of our universe. There is no "outside" the universe because there is no space outside the universe, space itself is part of our universe.
You're just spouting vague pseudo-philosophical bs that sounds Zen and smart to you then getting butt-mad when people ask you to back up your vague claims of genius with concrete evidence.
Yep, better to just believe random wackos on Yea Forums or Youtube.
>everyone knows children are born with a third eye, can see ghosts and shit.
This would be a testable claim. Get a bunch of children, keep them separate but have them observe the same area. If one sees a "ghost" then they all should.
P.S. I didn't have a third eye when I was a child. I have never seen a ghost.
I never seen them either. thank god. my sister did. but its just a widely known fact.
I base my theories on facts that I've researched myself. not from a classroom where I sat and listened to some fuck who thinks he knows everything and is brainwashing kids
>capability
Still bs, you tard.
Like come on, not only do you have zero evidence for your claim it's not even some new idea you've "discovered" you're just repeating that old false meme about "only using 10% of our brains" that was floating around in your memory like all your vague bs.
And when that user called you on it you got defensive and panicked so you came up with a quick shoddy excuse of "duh I KNOW that, I obviously MEANT so and so!".
>its just a widely known fact.
No, it isn't.
>I base my theories on facts that I've researched myself.
I base my knowledge on facts that have actually been researched, not random misconceptions that people unfamiliar with the subject have.
>An entity or force from a dimension we cannot perceive that sits outside our universe.
If you cannot perceive this dimension, then how can you assert its existence? Where did you get knowledge of this dimension in the first place?
What methodology are you using to arrive at these conclusions?
This is why I've said I clearly have my work cut out for me, because people like you make so many assumptions and yet understand so very little.
If the universe is infinite (which scientifically it isn't, but naturally we're talking also about whatever our universe is expanding into), then it contains every conceivable possibility by the nature of infinity itself. Given an infinite amount of time and/or space, everything that can possibly happen will, and it will happen an infinite number of times. It's difficult to comprehend because people have trouble seperating infinity as a concept from something that is simply unimaginably large.
Also, I never said I was a genius, or zen, or anything else, all just assumptions people in this thread have made because they are ignorant.
>infinity stretches along a dimension we can't perceive, and that travelling along that dimension alters the fundamental rules of our reality as we understand them.
How did you arrive at the idea that the rules of reality change as you travel along infinity?
not sure if you are the same dumbass user.
but if you know what e=mc2 means then you can easily explain to me how the sun has been burning for so long and why it hasn't burned up yet
Hey, you could win the lottery, start working with charities, end up meeting Emma, hit it off, and end up fucking on the floor of a house you just spent the day building for the needy.
I can't think of any scenario at all that can help OP be vindicated, other than getting so high that he convinces himself that he has already been vindicated.
Just read the Scripture, that's all there is to it.
Since Energy cannot be destroyed only transformed. When we die our consciousnesses simply doesn't vanish into darkness, They're must be more than just eternal darkness. Moreover as the universe is infinite E.G as we explore into smaller and smaller things like atoms, particles we will just find even smaller things thus making everything infinite essentially, I'd like to think we as humans cannot understand or at least comprehend everything like we think we do.
Thoughts?
Why is there something rather than nothing?
The sun "burning" is the result of a fusion reaction. It's been going for so long / hasn't "burned up" yet because it hasn't exhausted its "fuel" (hydrogen and then later heavier elements)
>Don't expect any of you to believe me
Narrators voice: ...but as it turned out, that was a lie.
Lovecraftian bullshit
Basically because it's the only possible solution to the infinity paradox. I am OP and my posts are the following, if you want to see what I've said so far.
google "10 percent of brain"
don't believe everything you hear
the irony
Your consciousness is a property of your brain. The matter of your brain isn't destroyed, but it does rot away / get burned / digested / whatever.
yea that fusion reaction is e=mc2
and what exactly is the fuel thats fueling the sun?
It's all but thin air my friend
Googling it only confirms what I've said. It's a bullshit myth.
>Though an alluring idea, the "10 percent myth" is so wrong it is almost laughable, says neurologist Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore.
>and what exactly is the fuel thats fueling the sun?
I told you, hydrogen.
Holy shit, he nuts
>Since Energy cannot be destroyed only transformed. When we die our consciousnesses simply doesn't vanish into darkness,
This implies consciousness is energy, but what evidence do we have to suggest this is the case? If I unravel a rug, the pattern it used to have isn't there anymore. Does the fact that energy can't be destroyed mean that the pattern still exists? No, because the pattern is just a specific arrangement of matter. Could not consciousness be merely an arrangement of matter, or an emergent property of an arrangement of matter? If so, the fact energy can't be destroyed has no bearing on death. When the pattern that is us ceases to be, so do we, even if all of the matter which previously formed that pattern still exists. Few would argue that the pattern on an unwoven rug goes to the pattern afterlife.
>If the universe is infinite (which scientifically it isn't, but naturally we're talking also about whatever our universe is expanding into), then it contains every conceivable possibility by the nature of infinity itself. Given an infinite amount of time and/or space, everything that can possibly happen will, and it will happen an infinite number of times.
What's the problem with this?
As long as events are separated across infinite time, then there is no problem in asserting that every conceivable possibility can happen. If one of the possibilities involves destroying everything that exists, then there can just as easily be another possibility that involves recreating everything that was destroyed. It just cancels out.
This is like the immovable object vs unstoppable force problem: "if the universe is infinite, then it contains both an immovable object and an unstoppable force which is impossible". Unfortunately that's not how it works.
Get outta here with yer "facts" and "provably true information." We're trying to yell at the sky, here! /s
It's the solution to the infinity paradox. It's not travelling along infinity that changes the rules though, let me try to explain differently.
Imagine for the sake of argument that there are 5 dimensions: 3 space, 4th time, and the 5th a dimension we cannot perceive. While we cannot have infinity, one of these dimensions must continue for infinity because we cannot be an isolated system that exists within a void. We know it cannot be any of the first four, because we understand the science of these dimensions well enough to know that the laws of our universe do not change (or at least not enough so) as we reach their limits, in a way that accounts for the implications of infinity. Therefore it must continue along the fifth. It is travelling through this fifth dimension, that we cannot perceive understand or even comprehend, that causes the fundamental rules of our universe to break down. It causes us to 'travel' to a place where infinity as a concept becomes obsolete.
Ultimately, having the fundamental rules of our reality change so drastically that infinity as a concept is no longer valid, is the ONLY way to solve the infinity paradox.
A big surprise. You are yourself as you remember but you also receive an information transfer. You become aware of your past incarnations, your purpose for the incarnation just terminated, and you are able to perceive Humanity from a perspective outside of time.
It is at this point you dump your information. What you did, who you helped, who you hurt, what you learned, what you still want to do.
At this point you are both you and not you. You understand that the Universes are the nervous system of a single consciousness and you further understand that you are that consciousness completely. The point of life is to realize potential. The point of realizing potential is to become a companion. The concept of a companion to yourself is difficult to understand but without companions you are alone and so you desire companions even if they are yourself simply manifesting realized potential.
Immediately after death you discover your thoughts move you. Most visit their family/friends and struggle to understand their changed state where their thoughts are the same but no can perceive them. After some time a transitional mechanism operates and then the events as described previously transpire.
Where will it all end for humanity? Or, rather what will end humanity?
OP here.
Exploring smaller and smaller things doesn't mean we have an infinity to explore within them. That's like saying a cake is infinite because you can slice it into infinitely thin slices. You can always break it down further and further, but it's still just a cake.
Mass/energy (which are interchangeable) cannot be created or destroyed, but it could be transferred along dimensions we can't comprehend. For instance if you believe the start of the universe was the big bang, it couldn't have created the universe from nothing, but if that 'energy' was transferred along a dimension we can't see it would appear to have come from nothing, where that is not the case.
Personally I believe our consciousness/soul exists on this 'fifth dimension', but that's neither logical nor provable. That's just my belief.
Why is there something (which you call the infinity) rather than nothing?
I believe that this feels coherent in your own head. I do. But I have to tell you that, from out here, it's nonsense.
Now me telling you that either means that it's actually nonsense and you're delusional, OR that you're not delusional but are just so gifted and wise that I'm unable to comprehend your wisdom.
It's worth noting that one of those two possibilities is very flattering to you, and one of them is very unflattering. You are likely swayed by the disparity between them at least to some degree, and you should be aware of it.
The best way to judge which possibility is actually true is for you to simply show more people your wisdom. It's unlikely that you're the most brilliant person on the planet, isn't it? It's not impossible, but I think you can admit that it's very unlikely. Given that it's so unlikely, if you show your wisdom to more and more people, and all of them say that it's nonsense, it becomes increasingly likely that you're not actually the smartest person in the world, and that the reason people are saying it's nonsense is because it really is nonsense. That nonsense makes sense to you suggests that you're suffering from some sort of delusion, and should seek help.
>I clearly have my work cut out for me
Yeah, step one: do some actual research and make an actual evidence-based testable theory.
>we're talking also about whatever our universe is expanding into
You're talking about that because you have litterally no idea about the topic and so don't realise that's a stupid question that already has an answer.
It isn't expanding into some other space, SPACE is expanding.
Space-time is a feature of our universe that expanded from the singularity. The advancing universe didn't "fill" space, it WAS space.
>Given an infinite amount of time and/or space, everything that can possibly happen will
That is a claim, not a fact, and you cannot support your claim.
Once again, you are mixing up a vague philosophical idea of the concept of "infinity" with how people actually refer to the universe as infinite.
Your whole problem is mixing up vague philosophical semantic nonsense with actual science, which you also don't understand in the slightest.
>It's difficult to comprehend because people have trouble seperating infinity as a concept from something that is simply unimaginably large
It's actually pretty easy to understand, you're just intellectually masturbating, assuming that people are disagreeing with you because nobody but you gets common knowledge.
Ironically your mistake is confusing conceptual infinity with physical infinity which is what people are actually referring to when they say the universe is infinite.
>all just assumptions people in this thread have made because they are ignorant
Lol no, people are assuming that because all you've done is ramble about vague buddhist contradictory bs like "both infinite AND finite!" and insist that your ideas are just too complex to explain as an excuse when they're really just too vague and baseless to explain in a concrete way.
Your ideas aren't too smart for anyone to understand, they're too vague for you to explain.
Are you still op?
Are you just straight up baiting at this point or do you seriously not even understand how stars work?
I really appreciate your try to talk sense into that maniac. But dat aint gonna happen.
Like you said, energy can be transformed.
The "energy"that makes up your conciousness just changes to a form that no longer sustains conciousness.
If you smash a computer all the parts and energy are still there but it no longer computes.
All the e=mc2 shit has not been me (OP), just some troll/retard.
Interesting idea. Your model can be described using a simple analogy.
Let's say you have a square that contains all things. You know that the square can't be infinite because then it stops being a square, but it can't be finite either. So what you say is that the sides of the square are finite, but actually it's not a square, but a cuboid, and the height of that cuboid is infinite.
So although it's an infinite shape by volume, it's still bound by a finite square. And when you travel high enough up that cuboid, the concept of a cuboid itself begins to break down.
Bravo to you for disassembling OP so thoroughly. It's an absolute tragedy that a rational argument, no matter how water-tight, cannot be used as a weapon against the stubbornly irrational. "Reality" is the ultimate bouncer for irrational people. Reality cannot be fooled into behaving in the way delusional people say it should. Save your rational arguments for rational people. Let the irrational people argue with reality.
>as the universe is infinite E.G as we explore into smaller and smaller things like atoms, particles we will just find even smaller things
You're making the same mistake as op, confusing conceptual infinity with spatial infinity which is what people mean when they say the universe is "infinite".
Because.
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I appreciate where you're coming from, but there is a third possibility that you haven't accepted - that I'm not delusional and it's not nonsense, but I'm failing to accurately articulate a very complex series of ideas and as such they are appearing as nonsense to the majority of people.
Also it seems many people think that I think I'm a genius or gifted or something, that's really not the case. Above average maybe, but not much more than that. If someone trained for 30 years to learn how to dunk a basketball in such a way that it bounced off the floor and back through the hoop, does that make him the world's greatest basketball player? No, of course not. Apply the same idea to where I'm coming from, maybe people will be less snarky (though I doubt it)
>is it dmt to unlock secrets of reality
Any "truth" you garner from a psychedelic experience is literally only relevant to the individual and has no bearing on the consensus reality.
if you look at this pic hard enough it sorta looks like a dudes face
If you actually understood the nature of the universe, you would have said: Light created the universe, and light is God.
God is not some entity or force sitting outside our universe that we cannot perceive or see. God is that light that slaps you in the face every morning and breathes air into your lungs. God is the very energy that brings life to the crust of this Earth.
You still have a lot to learn young padawan.
Most accurate thing ever stated on Yea Forums too accurate to be a Yea Forumstard. I'm watching you, Fed.
Not them but it does make sense that conciousness is energy in a way, just not some magical separate soul energy or whatever.
I mean it's an emergent property of your brain so of course it is made up of the energy of your brain.
Lol I had the same thought when I read that.
Too accurate and intelligent to be a fed either. I suspect this fella got lost on his way to some other website.
>after nearly 30 years
So you are what 45ish? Or just 30?
Im 30 and ill tell you what, this quasi-intellectual garbage youre spewing is nonsense. No one will ever understand the nature of the universe, but i do understand the nature of humanity
>live-breed-die
You really are dense. Let me try another approach, I'll ask you some questions and maybe you'll understand a little better.
You said the universe isn't expanding into space, but space is expanding. So what is it expanding into?
Given an infinite amount of time and/or space, everything that can possibly happen will, this is logical but you claim I'm confusing my concepts. So why don't you try to explain to me why this isn't the case? Consider statistical probability in the context of infinity.
The rest just seems to be insults and blathering, but let's start small shall we?
This is attaching science to spiritualism which is completely incoherent and ignorant.
That *is* a possibility, but I have to tell you that that's exactly the sort of rationalization that a schizophrenic person performs to reconcile the disparity between his perception of himself, and his interactions with the world.
Human beings are pretty great at communication. One group of people can encounter another group of people, with no shared language, and in a span of years, be work together on bleeding edge mathematics. It's happened historically! If you can't explain your wisdom in an hour, that's not proof it's nonsense. But if you can't explain it to an intelligent person with whom you share a common language in, say, a week, it's probably not because you can't articulate yourself; it's probably because what you're trying to convey isn't actually coherent.
You stupid fuck. You posted the thread saying you have answers but now the thread is no place to answer. You're a fucking dumbass
>I believe that this feels coherent in your own head. I do. But I have to tell you that, from out here, it's nonsense
I don't think you're going to get through to him, op is already too defensive of the purity of his ideas to admit that he's glossing over the blanks and logical leaps when it's all just in his head and he doesn't to think about it too hard.
When he tries to bring it out into the world and explain it in concrete logical ways that others can understand it all falls apart but he can't admit that so he assures himself everyone is just too stupid and ignorant to understand his amazing ideas.
Heyy! he was behind of this..!
Something making sense (being intuitive) is not evidence that it is true; something *predicting observed phenomena" is evidence that it is true. Newtonian physics makes plenty of sense, but it doesn't correctly predict the orbital motion of planet Mercury; general relativity does.
What observation is there that is best explained by consciousness being made up of energy? What testable predictions can this theory make?
What are these certain things you've managed to prove logically, and how did you prove them?
I am not attaching anything to anything. I am simply stating the obviousness of the truth, which is literally too simple and beautiful for humans to even accept.
The Sun pumps air into your lungs. The Sun brings life to the crust of this Earth. You would not exist if it was not for the light of that Sun. What else would you call a life giving energy that literally surrounds embraces you with its warmth?
Yeah its mostly a psychological issue here
The sun is overrated. It only shines during the day when it's already light, and at night when it's actually dark the moon shines instead.
>The Sun pumps air into your lungs.
Um
I love so much how hes trying to convince us here this thread is some kind of social experiment when ppl started calling him out.
Agreed, but I haven't been talking to you in person for a week, have I? I'm communicating in an extremely limited format, very slowly, across multiple conversational threads, for about the last hour or so. So is my possibility really so unlikely under these conditions? Isn't it rather ignorant that given your own thoughts on communication, you would rather consider me to be a schizophrenic than not?
Its been proven false. People don't only use 10% of their brain, but you sure seem to.
Thank you for writing this so I didn't have to
I don't think I said you were schizophrenic. I think I said that the possibility you suggested (that your thoughts are not nonsense but that you are simply poor at articulating your thoughts and so your thoughts *appear* to be nonsense), is the sort of rationalization that a schizophrenic person performs to reconcile a disparity between their perception of themself and their interactions with the world, which it is.
It doesn't mean I'm saying you're schizophrenic; it means you should be aware of the possibility that you could be.
It's true that you haven't been talking to me in person for a week, and are instead communicating in a limited format. My suggestion to you would be to stop communicating in this way and format, as you yourself have described your ideas to be difficult to convey, and instead go find someone in person to communicate your wisdom to. It will provide a "check," of sorts, one that's very valuable.
IF the thoughts that seem coherent in your head are incapable of being communicated to another person in a way that other person can grasp, it is one small piece of information that suggests those thoughts may not actually be as coherent as they feel in your head. One small piece, only. So then try again with another person, and another. If your thoughts are not actually nonsense, you will eventually succeed in communicating them to someone else, who also finds them to be coherent. If you find again and again that intact communication of your thoughts is impossible, you should give more weight to the possibility that you may be suffering from a delusion. If that's really the case, then it's wonderful to learn that it's the case, because then you can begin the process of getting healthy.
>the nature of the univers
Whatever the fuck that means. If you can't be more specific and communicate in concrete terms, you are just another brain-damaged dummie.
>Certain things I've been able to prove logically
The only thing you have is confirmation biased. Now fuck off faggot. You're pseudo-intellectual schlock is boring.
>So what is it expanding into?
Nothing, there is nothing beyond space.
You call me dense as a deflection but you clearly don't understand the topic well enough to discuss it let alone come up with great new Revelations.
Seriously just educate yourself first. Go look up some scientists talking about the universe and build up a knowledge base to revise your ideas.
>Given an infinite amount of time and/or space, everything that can possibly happen will, this is logical but you claim
Not nessecarily, once again you're just repeating a common meme without really understanding it's origin or the topic and once again you're using "logical" as a stand-in for "seems right to you".
Just because something CAN happen doesn't mean it WILL and it's entirely possible the universe will end in heat death and then nothing more of consequence will happen. Furthermore "possible" is not the same thing as "imaginable" and your vague bs definitely strays more towards the later.
>Consider statistical probability
Ironic because you don't seem to understand statistical probability at all.
It's just attempted mental masturbation, that's why they're so shocked and offended that people aren't just circle jerking him.
What is so difficult to understand about that statement? The Sun gives life to the trees, which in turn brings oxygen to the air. The Sun is the source of energy for all processes and cycles of life on this planet. Therefore, you are breathing because of that Sun.
To be fair I've already done this with a couple of people in person, and they pretty much got the basics after a little while. I found it was difficult to overcome their own pre-conceived notions or ideas, but once I explained how those could be incorporated into a grander theory, they were a lot more receptive. Naturally though I can't do that on a broad scale because everyone has different ideas, and I'm not really sure how to approach that problem.
I'm going to hope that this post was just sarcastic trolling, but I will clarify just in case.
The Sun brings the light to the day. It is what makes the day time bright. It is not "already light" and then it comes in after. Furthermore, the Sun's light reflecting off the Moon is what makes the moon shine.
Sun is God. End of story.
:O
I've been polite up until now, but you are definitely a troll. There's no way you can possibly be that stupid. You're a great example of a society that has bred an entire generation of people who think learning how to argue is more important than learning how to be right. Good luck with college.
>Seems I have my work cut out for me.
Lol did you like just hear that phrase recently because you really seem to like it.
im sure you have, now back to the loony bin with you
"Learning to be right" honestly sounds more like learning how to win an argument no matter you're right or not.
>I've been polite up until now
Lol no you haven't, you've been smugly masturbating about your own perceived intellectual superiority and everyone else's supposed inferiority as a self-defensive excuse for why you can't communicate your ideas so you don't have to admit they just don't make sense.
And you JUST called me dense, you're not polite at all, you're just passive-agressive, you coward.
>You're a great example of a society that has bred an entire generation of people who think learning how to argue is more important than learning how to be right
And you're a great example of a pseudo-intellectual tard who thinks they're a lot smarter than they are and takes for granted that their every inclination is right without bothering put in the work to understand topics and discovered what is right.
Exactly the sort of tard who would rant about society breeding an entire generation of one type of person as an excuse to disregard anyone not just agreeing with and jerking you off for your vague bs ramblings.
Go find some tweens or first year philosophy students if you want people to be impressed with your bs without understanding how to pick apart the details.
Record yourself talking with various people, and then write a book, showing how different people with different preconceptions came to grasp your wisdom.
Honestly, I don't think you're ever going to write a book, because I don't believe your ideas are as coherent outside your head as they feel inside it. But if you want to prove to yourself, and the world, that they are, then you need to write a book. If you really can't, or you do and everyone tells you it's nonsense, you may need to consider that it actually might be nonsense.
This man is the reason im still here. Straight speaking, clear and on point. Thank you kind sir.
I’m thinking of buying a fursuit but don’t know how to hide the fursuit when it gets here or how to hide the package, need ideas.
First mistake: attempting to have a serious discussion on Yea Forums. Second mistake: believing that science is anything other than a Jewish lie.
>"Science isn't real," he typed into his portable, wireless, always-connected pocket computer, while sitting on the toilet.
My man
How does one fulfill their life's purpose?
By filling a jar of piss,jizz,blood,shit, and any other bodily fluids
that's a different kind of science retard
>Science that lets me look at boobies while shitting: totally real.
>Science that suggests I'm not as awesome as my perception of myself (I'm so fucking smart, you guys): fake news.
If all A = B(single). And all B = C(single)
All A doesn't equal C. It equals B
God is Light. It has been glaring at us all along. Every day, every night, it shines down on us. Light literally surrounds you in every direction. Light is in the sky no matter what. This is the undeniable life giving energy. Please understand the simplicity of the truth.
You're close. It's actually Satan that's light, not God. I know your intuition is that God is light and Satan is dark, but that's Satan for you: always tricksey.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know what light is or where it comes from
No my son, God is light and in him there is no darkness at all. God is the life giver, the sole source of the energy by which life is sustained. This is the light.
Spoken with much hubris by someone who doesn't understand the light.
Something can't come from nothing, but there has to be nothing for there to be something, do they null each other out, therefor shit magically came into existence, or is nothing real? The answer cant be god because its a paradox
If anything were to be labeled as "god" it would be energy, but energy can neither be created or destroyed, so how did it come to exist in the first place? If you used any type of logic, you'd realise how impossible it is for anything to actually exist and accept the fact we will never actually know
>Something can't come from nothing
Why not? "Because that doesn't make sense to me," is not a good reason. Reality doesn't have to make sense to you. What is to prevent something coming from nothing? How do you respond to the information that sometimes something does come from nothing? That this has been observed to happen? Would you say that it doesn't make sense to you, and therefore can't happen, or would you ask for the specifics, ask to see the data, consider that you may be wrong?
God is light. Nothing is just nothing, nonexistent. Therefore if you were to look at the universe as a whole, you would realize you are looking at nothing but light. The darkness is just emptiness, does not exist.
When you understand this, the true nature of good and evil and the falsity that they are at war or that there ever was a war falls away. Evil has no power. It is nonexistent. It is our belief in this emptiness as our final destination which breeds evil into our minds. When truly, the very light that gives us air to breathe is what holds all the power, and our destination was always, has always and will always be the light.
>ridicules someone for being intellectual
>samefags for validation
yikes
One of the many fooled by Satan, I see.
So sad...
Neat. What's childhood bone cancer about, though? What kind of god creates a universe where children are born into a terminal disease from which they suffer every day of their short lives? Evil has no power, but this is the universe god intended? What good is he, then? Why is he deserving of worship?
My point is either eveything came from nothing, or nothing exist, but to further entertain, please give me evidence of something coming from nothing
You claim to know the light comes from Satan, but do not explain in anyway what you mean or how you came to this conclusion.
I gave you multiple examples of how the light very realistically provides life to the crust of this Earth.
Are you trying to say Satan is what gives life? That makes no sense if Satan was merely one of God's angels. God is the source of all life. End of story.
These two as well
Actually scary that someone can be so convinced of their own brilliance, they feel the need to create fake praise to boost their own fragile ego. Also funny considering the hypocrisy of accusing OP of thinking he's way smarter than he is.
There cant be light without energy, so i guess god is a inferior to enegry? As you're puting it
You think without reason lol
When you forget energy is the the base of everything
you are retarded
>please give me evidence of something coming from nothing
en.wikipedia.org
casued by
en.wikipedia.org
Please tell me how about you totally knew all of that already. I love hearing that one.
My mother actually died of bone cancer after having suffered through breast cancer for 3 years and having it recess into her bones. Life is full of pain. Even the animals suffer on a daily basis to keep this ecosystem intact. I do no claim to know all the mysteries of the universe or why disease needs to exist, but I do believe our technology is crippling us in way we are not even willing to admit.
Just for example, the initial tumor that formed my Mom's breast cancer was located in the same exact location that she use to tuck her cell phone into her bra.
This life is harsh and there is much more plaguing humanity right now than just cancer, but that does not change the truth. That light will still shine on and continue to ensure of future full of life. That is what I know.
You claim to know the light comes from God, but do not explain in any way what you mean or how you came to this conclusion.
You gave me multiple examples of how the light very realistically provides life to the crust of this Earth, but do not explain in any way how you know that this is the work of God and not Satan.
>Are you trying to say Satan is what gives life? Yes.
>That makes no sense if Satan was merely one of God's angels.
Satan works in mysterious ways.
>God is the source of all life. End of story.
You claim this but do not explain in any way how you came to this conclusion.
After 24 years, I've found out that Yea Forums is the purgatory that I deserve.
FUCK NIGGERS, TRANNIES, KIKES AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FUCK JANNIES!
How is that something coming from nothing? That is clearly something coming from something.
Math and logic are identical.
No, God is the very energy that powers ALL of the lights in the universe, not just ours. That is what I am trying to say. God is light as a whole. Meaning, god is the very energy by which life is sustained.
So you're saying god is energy, not light, like i already said?
You use the word, "know" as though it had the same meaning as, "believe," or perhaps, "strongly believe." They are not interchangeable. You are free to believe whatever you want. If you say you believe something, then you do. No one can say that you *think* you believe something, but really don't. You don't just to justify belief.
"Know" is a different story. It requires not only that you believe something, but that that belief be true, AND that you have a reason to believe that it's true.
>This life is harsh and there is much more plaguing humanity right now than just cancer, but that does not change the truth. That light will still shine on and continue to ensure of future full of life. That is what I know.
No, that is what you believe. Your reasons for believing that are not rigorous. You like believing it, and that's good enough for you. But you're full of beliefs, not knowledge. Your knowledge about the world is very sparse indeed.
You asked for evidence of something coming from nothing. Quantum fluctuation is, by definition, something coming from nothing. It is the spontaneous creation of matter-antimatter particle pairs. But you didn't only ask for a concept, you asked for evidence. A link to quantum fluctuation wouldn't be evidence, for how are you to know that it's real? The Casimir Effect is observable evidence of quantum fluctuation, predicted in 1947 and observed experimentally in 1997.
Sounds as though you have a dose of schizophrenia going on there.
imma keep it real with you chief it sounds like you have convinced yourself you're extremely wise without actually thinking that deeply
You spoke like a true mindless society sniffing ass individual rather than an individual thinker.. You made yourself sound stupid by saying that.
I came to this conclusion when I realized that the only thing you could even possibly define as God would be an omnipotent life giving energy. A singular force that sparks the very essence of life into existence. God would have to be the very father of life himself.
Satan is the great deceiver. That is all he is or ever will be, a phoney, a fraud trying to pose as God, but is simply not. That is why he has you all twisted up in believing that he could even possibly hold the power to create life. It is you who has been fooled, my son.
God is the very light that provides the energy to the plants that produce the air for you to breathe and sustain your life force enough to sit there and deny the very light that gave you the gift of your own existence.
God is the very energy that brings forth the light.
Not op, I smoke weed and jack off every day and I'm offended lol. I am majoring in Physics during my spare time though
>I defined God as the creator of life, and came to the conclusion that God created life.
Your circular logic is circular, tho. If "God" is the name you give whatever force created life, then it has no meaning. I can simply tell you that Satan created all life, and so by your definition, Satan is God.
>Satan is the great deceiver.
No, the great deceiver is Sauron. LOTR has a much better mythological origin story than the Bible, by the way. Much more internal consistency. Plus, when you're done reading it you can close the book and come back to reality. It doesn't make you pretend it's all true for the only life you'll ever get.
>I don't understand what these words really mean, but like... God is good and stuff
You are just another of countless people who've done psychedelics and suddenly think have unlocked the mysteries of the universe. While in reality you just have delusions of grandeur, quite common among heavy psych users. Don't worry, you can come out of it if you check yourself in time. Or maybe just kill yourself
But what makes you believe that he hasn't? Is it because you don't understand, or don't want to?
Yeah, you said doing DMT does that. That's so different! You probably read Strassman's book on DMT and worship McKenna
No, the act is something it self, you're not looking at the big picture
I like quantumn theory, its interesting
But something cannot just come into existence from nothing
Thats why there is still conversation of the subject, idk why you're being so smug and condescending
Im just questioning the concept of infinity, while you try to shove quantumn theory down my throat
Obviously i understand infinity is real, like between 0 and 1, but in the physical universe, you have to think, surely there has to be some type of beginning, but it creates a paradox of beginnings, its either infinite or its not, and i think its interesting to think about
and i think its even more interesting you sit there and try to pretend that you know
mrw religion is a bunch of nerds LARPing 24/7
This is no belief, my son. This is truth, and there will always only be one truth in this universe regardless of what I say or you say or what any of us believe. That light is our God. I tell you this now with full knowledge of it being the truth and gave you very definitive examples as to why it is true. It is that light that gives you the air to breathe to sit there and read what I am typing right now. Do you what to deny that? Can you even deny the fact that the light is what gives life to the crust of this Earth? Is that even debatable?
How do I know that the light will sine on to ensure a future full of life? Because I am light, and I will be shining on into eternity when I pass from this Earthly body. I hope to see you out there with me one day, truly. I do.
>I like quantumn theory, its interesting
>But something cannot just come into existence from nothing
Dude, I *just sent you evidence* that it does, though. Don't argue with me, argue with reality. The Casimir Effect is measurable.
>I've decided it can't happen
Reality doesn't give a shit.
10/10 LARPing. Do you have room for a Lvl 5 Dwarf Paladin? I'm Lawful Neutral.
Shit, if it gets him laid it works
'lot of thinking and research for myself', smoking weed and thinking up stupid shit does not count
I love those types of paintings
Quantumn fluctuation is not nothing
I havnt decided it cant happen, i havnt seen, read, heard, or been told anything that can tell me or anyone why everthing exist
Everyones like big bang theory this, quantumn theory that
Its not that simple, and theres definitely alot more to it than a couple of theories
Im not a shill from god, i like sciene, logic and reason
I just wonder what the most outer layer is, why it is the most outer layer, and how it is possible
All you're arguing are theories relative to our universe, all we know that exist is our universe
This makes me want to openly LARP as a christian person. Like, go through all the motions while either making it plain I think it's all bullshit, or blatantly overacting my claimed belief.
Like anytime anyone is offended because they actually believe, I would just immediately switch, "YES! I, too, believe our many, contradictory beliefs! God is my shepherd, I am but his loyal lamb! Together we shall vanquish the dark forces of Sauron. Satan, I mean!"
How can i time travel w/o losing my memory.
Firstly, I did not make up that definition of God. It is a very widely understood and accepted definition of God that it be the creator of life or the universe as a whole. Literally google God. Like, I didn't make that one up.
Secondly, I did not come to the conclusion that God created life because of that definition. I came to the conclusion that it was that light in the sky that gave birth to the processes and creatures on this planet that created me. Therefore, I choose to define that light as God, because it was this very light that gave life to all of us, not just me. Does that not make sense? I don't call my creator Satan because my creator is not a person or a being or some made-up, unseen character in a story. It is a very real and living energy.
Furthermore, whether you believe in it or not. There will always only be one truth to this universe regardless of what you or I belief. There are no interpretation, only truths. You either know that or you know a lie.
Study some physics you fucking dipshit. It's always the morons who think they know everything
What kinds of information should be illegal law?
Knowledge is light and who was it that wanted to deny us that? God. Who was it that wanted it bestowed to us? Satan. Satan = light
God = nigger
>Quantumn fluctuation is not nothing
It's matter and antimatter appearing spontaneously from nothing. Please argue more that this does not fit your definition of something coming from nothing, you're doing so well.
>I havnt decided it cant happen, i havnt seen, read, heard, or been told anything that can tell me or anyone why everthing exist
>Everyones like big bang theory this, quantumn theory that
>Its not that simple, and theres definitely alot more to it than a couple of theories
You're right it's not simple, which is why you should let the people who are doing actual work in the field come to the conclusions, and then you should study their conclusions, and THEN offer your opinion; not start with the idea that your ignorance is as valuable as their knowledge, and ignore the work of people actually doing science when it doesn't fit with the random shit you made up on the spot.
I’m sorry if you feel attacked, but if you’ll follow the chain of replies backwards a bit, you’ll come to the part where you declare that something can’t come from nothing, and therefore…. There’s no qualification that this is just your opinion, no humility that it’s all complicated and you don’t know what to believe. That’s your position now, because I did the work you didn’t, and gave you links and explanations, and dragged you every step of the way from “STATEMENT OF CERTAINTY!” to “I’m just a person wondering about things.” Hey, man, so am I. So are all of us. But that's not you a couple posts back. A couple posts back you knew a whole lot of stuff that wasn't at all true.
>Satan = light God = nigger
LMFAO! Can't argue with that logic
Thanks for your clear reasoning in a multitude of idiots. I'm sure someone will cry samefag but fuck off faggots.
No, im just trying to get you to see where im coming from, like what causes quantumn fluctuation, then what causes that, then what causes that etc. The question is whether you will ever find a beggining, or is infinite in reasoning
Yes, i stated that i cant happen, which probably should have said i dont see any possible way for that to happen, but im not going to try and be politically correct, thats is the only contradictory half way contradictory thing ive said
You should just stop acting like you know anymore about the orgin of existence than everyone else, when all you're claiming to know about is the spontaneous creation of matter and claiming you work in the field which you cant back up
You're just being so close minded
You cant recreate the universe, so you dont really know how it all works, so dont claim you do
Obviously this discussion is becoming stagnant so i wont argue with you anymore
>what causes quantumn fluctuation,
It has no cause. That’s what spontaneous means. Like spontaneous isotope decay. You’re assuming hidden variable theory is true, perhaps you’re not even aware you’re assuming it, but tests of Bell's theorem experimentally disprove hidden variables. Again, you don’t have to like it, but if you’re not looking at the data before dismissing it, you’re just shutting your eyes to reality. If you're not looking at the data because you had no idea there was data to look at, then you just need to stop having an opinion about it altogether. Research first, reflection second, opinion last.