Reminder: Socialism has never succeeded in any country at any time in history

Having a welfare state doesnt make a country socialist, you fucktard

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The world is a mess. Society is a mess. Politics are a fucking mess. Nothing ever done by us has worked. Look at what we are. Endlessly arguing and opposing views, looking for an answer. There never was one to begin with. And this will continue on perpetually because it is human nature.

Nobody thought of Venezuela as a poster child for anything other than state embezzlement of oil profits until some Right Wing think tank declared them otherwise as a means to embarrass the Left.

Triggered

>muh Venezuela

>say stupid shit
>get called out for it

>U TRIGGERED?

Grandpa on facebook level post right here

>{blatant emotional appeal to "Protestant Work Ethic"}
Yup. The "Logic" of the right.

Stupid shit. Like in the richest country on earth in all of human histroy 40,000 people die every year because they don't have health care. Or that health care is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US?

Get shrekt you conservatard

go be a nigger some where else

?????
was talking about socialist countries

keep it together for one thread retard

maybe were so rich because we allow people to be failures

socialism is still worse

also
>get shrekt

dont you have school in the morning? go to bed

You cant equate aocs policies to a country that is not capitalist because you ignore the fact that policies are already implemented like Medicare, unemployment, and Social security. Knowing these policies already exist in what you claim is a capitalist country means that the socialist policies didn't turn the country into a socialist country, so similar socialist policies by AOC will not turn the country socialist. brookings.edu/opinions/the-u-s-is-still-a-capitalist-country/

>apparently communism does though
go to bed, Ivan

If this is the logic and facts Ben Shapiro was talking about america is doomed

either make an argument for socialism or go back to your dick rate thread

>This fucking thread again

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Yea Forums 2019 is basically this thread 24/7 and porn

Get some creativity guys

>implying russia doesn’t support socialism
>actual liberal hysterics
Liberals are losing their fucking minds holy fuck

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the strawman is strong with this one. the last panel should read "I work my ass off to pay for myself, not other faggots."

Cant find OP pic in any previous threads in archive

Amen

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Op is the idiot who can't understand that socialism and socialist countries are not the same.

You can't have it both ways, Op set his definition.

I'm not saying the pic, the content is nearly identical. Socialist bait thread, when people call OP out, he immediately says 'that's not what socialism is' even if it is. Boring

Reminder: no major political figure is advocating for socialism

You will literaly respond to anything.

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Damn straight cry more libtards

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>except for the face of the Democratic party

europe laughs at OP. so does singapore.

Brainlet, Venezuela is fucked because of courruption and usa’s meddling

why do people who know nothing of the institutions involving many different kinds of politicisms and the administration of countries and states sit here and pretend they have the credentials to invalidate an entire doctrine of thought because they saw a few infographics on facebook?

Try to be less buttmad loser

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tl;dr

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Examples? Lol

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Libtard pansies have no place on Yea Forums

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Socialism appeals to people because it really does work on the scale of neighborhoods, churches, etc. They think if it works small it must work large. But that's not how shit works.

I don’t know too much of the socio economics of socialism and it’s history so I’m kind of uninformed and could be wrong about this but it seems like democratic socialism works fairly well in the Scandinavian countries.

What is this "we"? You're not rich, you fucking dumbass. But hey, if you want to feel smug because someone who lives in the same landmass as you has a lot of money, then go for it.

Nicee one Elon...Nice one!

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>AOC
>Sanders
You know, the only 2 Dems that can hold a headline for more than .5 milliseconds

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Based

Nice trips

>health care is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US
That's because health insurance exists.

Libturds can't do logic right

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>neither has democracy

why don't you crack open a book and look at how long the us has been rolling with it

Tard, they’re social democrats. If you knew the first thing about them and their policies you’d realize that. And to preempt anyone’s response of “but social democracy is socialism”, no it’s not, social democracy is a mixed market economy that operates under capitalism.

Reminder: Capitalism has never suceeded in any country at any time in history

>implying there’s a difference
“Capitalism is irredeemable “ AOC 3/9/2019

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Reminder: hurr Durr hurr Durr blow it out your ass

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Why so much focus on AOC? She's a junior congressperson who has in been elected for only 2 months so far. She has zero influence on the democratic policy platform and is notable basically for shitposting on Twitter. The obsession with her is bizarre.

Do you think they let people that don't belong to the bank assume membership on the 10 thousand blocks of like addressing in the world? I wouldn't be surprised to hear that black people bought the million dollar letterheads in space to make sure they read fuck you niggers so they wouldn't have to be the new niggers. It's going to be grand. How do you buy up space? Why don't we just learn to make gun that can shoot far, like 23 miles up and shoot those letterheads so we don't have to discuss how much money he put those up for and how we have to fight a war against canada or somethinge because they let the kind of language endanger that canadian principles deride rape as a manner of profiting in an economic war. Like really, what the fuck do the UN do if not just make sure the war pretended to hvae a referee and then make sex tapes to defend their lives and careers with. It's ridiculous you think people in other countries won't just drop bombs in the sea and surround you with dummy gases so you can contemplate surreal societies in the waters rather than contemplate schools of fish or whatever the fuck you guys have going when you can't find the right words and instead shout, into your right ear so you can stutter for a bit and feel strongly suited to continue on your own, "Lenin!". You are a lousy suit UN member lady with the dick in her mouth right now but naturally you assumed a job with infinite government surveillance tied to it and you are it! Congrats loser!

There is a difference lol. And AOC was right when she said that. When 6 people own more money than the bottom 40% of americans, capitalism is broken. When 40000+ people die every year because they can’t afford health care, capitalism is broke. When you come to the simple simple realization that there is no equality of opportunity in america, then you’ll realize that something needs to change. What AOC and sanders are proposing isn’t outlandish or insane. It’s already been implemented in many other developed, and it demonstrably works.

a capitalist country has never succeeded.

imgur.com/rWH1UgQ

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They will force it to try and make sure that it doesn't try to revert from that point again. This makes war possible again if you find yourself in a trade dispute and cannot abscond to reason that there are reasonable pursuits within something, even things you demonize, if the pursuit is valid and conjures up the emotions of another type of person versus the valid ones that you so validly suggest to yourself are true. There are reasonable lies and a white lie is not one of them. You are not ugly is why.

Glad to see one user is paying attention

Samefag

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Not sure if this is bait at this point, but it applies to many anons out there. I don’t understand why you guys are so eager to defend the top .1%. A basic understanding of the history and functioning of economics shows that reaganomics dont work. And that during the golden age of economic expansion the top marginal tax rates were at 70%+. People are living in poverty, and you guys are too busy defending people who have money that they didn’t earn. Many conservatives claim that we live in a meritocracy and that the rich deserve their money, this simply isn’t true when you realize that 60% of all wealth has been passed on from family memebers

>They will force it
So that's why all of these countries with universal Healthcare and college for all are socialist countries? You have no evidence.

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US isn't a democracy faggot, it's at best a representative democracy. Not to mention any democracy where wealth determines how loud your voice is is shit

Uuyrrrkjaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyvfd

You fell for it. That's a Republic, not a Democracy. Did the popular vote winner get the White House? No? THEN NOT A DEMOCRACY.

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they're not socialist?
do you even know what socialism is or how it started?

it's social ownership of the fruits of production (collectivized use of what is produced), all these nations have high rates of unionization, high rates of taxation, and democratic control over said capital

this is socialism.... it's literally what socialism is... workers control over what is produced and what results from said production, the nations listed are some of the most socialist nations on earth

Sup everyone's just gonna ignore these dubs?

Source

. Trips
leet
This is officially a get thread

And that's a problem

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>new zealand
Yes new zealand are massive socialist commies

dubs of truth

youtube.com/watch?v=kdA2-CAJWjo

eat shit

dubs of truth

This is unironically from a boomerposting cuckboi page

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dubs

*Cuckbook

America is being overrun by millions of poor people from shitty countries who want/expect free gibs. And the democrats wants to take from the rich and middle class and give them those gibs. They call it "socialism" but it's basically theft, and it's the future of America. You will work to support poor Hondurans who snuck into America so they could live off your efforts. The new "American Dream." Gib us free stuff!

I'll try to redact to evidene but I don't exclude faulty principles on the ground that they're too easy to deride. I'll say instead that it's necessary we arrive at a conclusion if we intend on finishing out this act. Naturally women will peoject to assume ventures but when I say things like that it feels strange in me and I can tell you mean no ill will so I may cite for encumberance and warrant a search of my home in the event that perhaps I cannot contain my sexual desires to events desired as commonplace. Necessarily this excludes a petty rivalry but it seems your being female has cost me a point in contention and now we're both further from our original intent as promise by you. Thank you sir in socialism glam but naturally I assume only democratic nation and the principles I have there are not socialist. We have no discussion. We need to produce discussion. Hi, what is your name? My name is Lenin Marty Chavez. How about you?

the dubbbs

Good try OP, the United States has one of the largest socialized healthcare in the world. it's called Medicare. Only issue is it only affects people 65 and older. I suppose it has succeeded here for some time now.

Dubdub gang

>socialist
>commies
Pick one

NICE.

We're not a Democracy you neck bearded thunder cunt. We're a Constitutional Republic. This is why you shouldn't vote. You don't know shit

Ass load of socialism

Not even 300 years. We're still a baby of a nation.

Why have to pick one, when they are one in the same?

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This is a message that needs be put on a fleet of blimps with those electric scrolling signs and
Flown over every college, protest, and blue state.

And then have pamphlets rain down going into further detail on why socialism is terrible and will never work

You are also one of the poor the Dems want to help, and the Repubs want to bleed dry for their (((Glorious Masters.)))
But luckily for the Repubs, you will always vote against your interests if they imply they'll punish dark people.

Will you be printing and distributing them using tax dollars?

They are not the same, that's why they have different names.

Poverty skyrockets under Socialism. It is not sustainable.

Under Capitalism, poverty decreases. Wealth has become much more available to people in the US due to innovation and market competition. We are more wealthy than ever before, and the line which is considered above or below the poverty level has to be raised to push Leftist agendas in denial of facts.

Socialism works in many countries literally right now in 2019

>Those are not socialist countries. You need to stop believing that universal healthcare = socialism.

This. I'm conservative, but I really think at this point the average peasant doesn't really know what socialism is and simply thinks that anytime there is more government programs that what we currently have, then it's socialism.

>links a shapiro video like it's him debating and not shapiro, has some brown guy debating who is not me or anything close to what I said
>eat shit
lol try harder

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> isn’t true when you realize that 60% of all wealth has been passed on from family memebers

There was a family owned ready mix concrete plant in my city. I live in a state capital.

Anyway this business was started by a German immigrant in the late 19 century. With every succeeding generation the business, and the wealth it generated, was passed on.

With the money the business earned the owners could continually invest in bigger and better equipment and secure contracts in an ever widening circle throughout the state.

They were big... And I mean BIG!

Enter me. I start a business doing decorative concrete. This place was the first supply house I ever visited. See in addition to the ready mix plant they also sold misc concrete supplies. I went once and had a bad experience with this guy.

One guy.

I thought it was a fluke and went back. I’m pretty sure the dude is an alcoholic or drug addict and (I have personal experience with people like that) he flipped shot on me for asking a question. I was actually in shock as I have never had such horrendous customer service for doing nothing but enquiring about a product. I asked around and it was a common experience worth the guy and he was driving customers off in droves.

Why am I telling you this? The business is now closed. It took one guy from one generation to drive a business that was worth hundreds of millions to right into the ground.

Family money means jack fucking shit if you are unwise with it. Stop with this bullshit meme.

>Posts picture of social democrat and therefore implies social democracy is socialism

Social democracy produces the happiest countries in the world. What?

How much does an apartment for a family cost where you live, user? Here it costs approx. $2,100.00 a month for a moldy one bedroom in a poor neighborhood, off transit, parking extra. Not even a major city. More employment? Yes. We're poorer here because of it. (BTW, Thank You, Amazon.)
Common individual income here is about $23,000 a year. But because a handful of employees two cities away make millions of dollars a year, the average income is listed as $72,000.
Sure, wages went up a bit, but individual hours went down so employers could claim more employees hired, for even more tax breaks under the new system, and to avoid mandatory full time benefits for employees.
Poverty is skyrocketing here hand-in-hand with profit.

posts his opinion with extreme factual inaccuracies

china did not become successful because of hong kong, hong kong was a great success story, but it is not responsible for the countries economic growth

china became economically successful when they removed their command economy approach to economics and started implementing a market economy, where the governement allowed competition but actively participated in said markets rather then abolishing markets all together

and they still own more then 50% of all the fucking businesses in the fucking country, socialist as fuck... still successful... on track to surpass American markets due to the sheer volume of their workforce and production base....

then there is canada,
the thing I am gathering from your post is you don't understand the distinction between a social democracy, democratic socialism, marxism and ararcho syndicalism

market economies are a prerequisite to capitalist economic model, however socialism and a command economy are not mutually exclusive

socialism, is a broad term, that describes social ownership over production, there are various ways to achieve this but the end game result is that the working class has just as much say in how capital (money), is used in society as the production class (business owners)

cooperatives/unions/high rates of taxation with democratic control over government expenditure/command style economies

all of these systems are ''socialist'' concepts, the degree to which an economy/state is ''socialist'' is the degree to which there is social ownership over their production....

if you live in a market economy, but there is a 50% tax rate on income and the funds are then utilized domestically in a democratically run system of governance, you are in a socialist state

marxism otoh, had an idealistic view on abolishing class systems and working through alturism, this never worked, it always failed
>will continue

In addition, the middle class is shining because the Republicans focus on eliminating labor Unions. Labor Unions are what created the middle class by demanding a fair day's wage.

>I'm an uneducated redneck who can't make more than 2k per month
>it's all someone elses fault
Whiny faggot do you even know what happened to useless shits like you in the soviet union?
They froze to death in the street that's what.

>the thing I am gathering from your post is you don't understand the distinction between a social democracy, democratic socialism, marxism and ararcho syndicalism

>literally all the same thing

>continued
Lenin simply coined the transition to communism through authoritarian control into a command economy as ''socialism''

In a way it sort of is, but not really considering he killed all the menshiviks and any person who actually wanted democratic control over production through the command economy rather then a hand full of elites in the communist party tended to dissapear or be found dead with an ice pick in their head

northern europe is not a country, you are correct but the nords implement a nordic system, they all have similar governance, high tax rates, the highest amount of unionization in the world, the broadest net of social programs, and they all have high standards of living

they are good examples of very socialist nations that are doing very well

as for germany, germany is not an economic shithole, I have no idea where you got the idea that they were going bankrupt, the UK and Germany were basically the only two nations in the EU paying for everything

New Zealand is doing well, comparable to the Nordic system

I did not forget Veneuzuala, it is not an example of success, they utilize a command economy and have been in the midst of an economic war with the united states for the better part of the last 30 years, command economies have been proven to be less efficient, however ''socialism'' has not.... ''marxism'' on the other hand, has and it is fairly safe to say they run a marxist style state, and it doesn't help that we have been undermining their government and destroying their infrastructure funding coupe attempts and sanctioning them economically....

I mean she's not even a socialist.

Socialism is a very wide-ranging concept that encompasses everything from Sweden to Anarchist Catalonia to Nazi Germany to China. Every political development since 1850 has been socialist or socialist-adjacent. Fascism, social democracy, the various kinds of Marxism, Keynesianism- even modern libertarianism developed as a reaction to socialism.

Fucking boomers relitigating the Cold War over and over again and sucking Ayn Rand's Jewish clit like state action in the economy is the worst thing in the world makes me want to put them all in death camps disguised as nursing homes.

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Who's whining? I'm giving you a reality check. FWIW, I have a tech degree.
There are simply a finite number of high paying jobs, and 300,000,000 citizens. Not everyone can have a great paying one, and you're plain delusional/drinking the Calvanist Kool-Aid if you think otherwise.

hurrrrrr hurrr canada is the same thing as soviet yugoslavia

no user if you want to help people and fuck over rich 0.1%ers, you're just a greedy lazy shit trying to take a cut of my 60k a year :^)

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I don't want to "Fuck Over" anyone. I want the ultra-rich to pay a fair share for the amount of damage they do to those below, for the amount of government resources that are bequeathed to them gratis as "Job Creators," and for the special defense and diplomatic benefits they enjoy as company owners with a stable international reach as a direct and indirect benefit of what WE do for them as a country.
I want to see their corporate welfare phased out.
I want to see their predatory and exclusionary business practices curtailed.
I want to make sure "Too Big To Fail" Magical Thinking isn't enshrined in our highest laws of the land.
I think that's pretty reasonable, frankly.

look up how socialism started and what it is
(utopian socialism, french socialism, german worker's socialism etc.)

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Sure but uh, *I* want to fuck over super-rich people.
I agree with everything you said, I just also think they're shitty people on a personal level, unfit to wield the power they do, and I'd like to see them humbled.

Capitalism is failing as well... just much more slowly.

dont mind me you inbred retarded Americans. Just enjoying my free healthcare in Australia which somehow our government spends less on than your government does because your country is retarded :)

>"tech degree"
Fucking lol
Do you know how to code?

You sound fat and unhealthy.

Well... technically not "free" free. However, I imagine many Americans having to visit the ER have racked up quite a collective debt that they are unable to pay back, so either way, their government is paying for it.

It's true there are a few I wouldn't have much pity for, should they fall very publicaly from grace. But I am constantly reminding myself that envy IS a mortal sin that poisons us against life's simple pleasures they will likely never know. ...Because I'm a huge secular moralfag.

kek

Fair point.

Someone get their dad off the internet

No, but I can build a polygon mesh and link it to a skeleton, include inverse kinematic motion restraints, and add various potential deforms, utilizing a graphic language matrix... Oh, wait, that is basically coding, isn't it?

Wait- what does this have to do with Socialism anymore?

I would argue that Canada is fascist. Trudeau has done nothing but pander to immigrants and those who live in the eastern provinces. Us white Canadians living in the west, who come from generations that built the Canadian economy, are being royally fucked in the ass. Trudeau cares for the 9000 jobs that a corrupt company is providing in the east, but couldn't care any less than the entire province of Alberta despite how many equalization payments we've made over the years to the east. I get the whole "oil bad, bad environment". But oil has allowed us to put so much into funding green energy and land reclamation, now there is.... nothing.

I don't know how it's so hard to recognize we just don't know how to do something yet. These people constantly accuse anyone who argues against socialism of opposing it ideologically when that's largely not the case.

Like okay, Obamacare pretty much killed my grandmother. She went in for scans ordered before Obamacare rolled out, over $20,000 charged to medicare for just about every type of imaging you can do. Then after it rolled out nobody would take Medicare fucking anywhere, we ended up looking for a doctor for her for a year without any success in just about any part of CA. If you do find a doctor who accepts medicare they're full, they're not accepting new patients and the waiting list is on the order of years. Nothing was ever done with the scans, a shame, it probably would have showed where in her body the "infection of unknown origin" that fucking gave her septicemia and killed her was located.

So socialized medicine was a bad idea merely because it didn't function, nobody wanted to be paid the reduced rate or deal with the additional bureaucracy and left it for some-other-richer-doctor to take on. The incomplete, forced solution ended up being worse than no solution.

It's not a mystery why socialism always ends up as a dictatorship, that's literally the level of power you need over the host society to even TRY socialism...and then that failed every time too. I mean look at this Maduro asshole, other dude Guaido won legit, is getting popular, made it back into country despite being banned from it. And Maduro's reaction is to fucking turn off the lights. Once you've got a dictator, like it or not, you've got a king and kings do not give up their power. Mark my words, Maduro will literally have to be killed to make him stop trying to rule Venezuela, exile might not even stop him, didn't stop Napoleon and they put him on a fucking island with no boat. Twice.

You just need better solutions for this idea to work and we just do not have them yet.

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shiiiiiiiiiiet boi, now that's some hardcore IT stuff, I feel like creating a one dimensional array of 64 bit numeric values, then use specialized for expression to go thru this array and assign it pseudorandomized values, then using quicksort with O(n*logn) to sort these bad boys. And I get $95k/perAnus

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Because there is no country with 100% free markets.

The U.S., featuring the world's most-advanced financial markets, is 76.8% economically free, as of 2019.

New Zealand actually has more of a free market than USA, it 89.4% free. Which means a country with health care and and better social programs is actually a more capitalistic country which contradicts the claim that social programs are anti capitalistic and leads to socialist country.
investopedia.com/ask/answers/040915/what-are-some-examples-free-market-economies.asp

So my question to the doomsday socialist gulauge shouters is why do you make these claims when you have no evidence that these programs will hurt the country.

Have you seen Scandinavian countries like Norway and Denmark

Gulag

any new fakes of this slut?

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Capitalism has failed every single time it's been tried.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

>Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union and the Socialist Bloc, annual polling by the Levada Center has shown that over 50 percent of Russia's population lamented its collapse, with the only exception to this being in the year 2012 when support for the Soviet Union dipped below 50 percent. A 2018 poll showed that 66% of Russians regretted the fall of the Soviet Union, setting a 15-year record. The majority were people older than 55.

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China is NOT communist. They are practically a libertarian paradise.

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big facts op, big facts

I'm not (you), nor do I want to be. But cool, I guess. Lots of folks with my skillset make that much. Some of them even in this area. Most in L.A., which is even more expensive. Still a finite number of gigs and jobs. Lots of folks with your skillset live in hovels and throw themselves at whoever will give them a bowl of Bachelor Chow. I used to room with several. Good on you for getting a great paying gig, but acknowledge that at least a little of that was Right Place Right Time, or luck, in addition to your obvious hard work; and don't assume everyone else is just a wastrel who didn't Want Riches hard enough, like those damn Prosperity Gospel sheep proclaim at any opportunity.

Don't say that, some jackass is going to move the goal post and claim they aren't socialist. Then you say, but aocs policies are just like those countries and you are the one that claimed her policies are socialist. So that means her policies are not socialist because you just said those countries are not socialist. Then they hit you with a personal attack based on nothing.

>tfw this edit is pretty good
>tfw nazi
If you guys could stick to the whole "fuck rich people fuck capitalism" schtick I feel like we could get along

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Radically authoritarian China is practically a libertarian paradise?

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How did you put your clothes on this morning?

America, fuck yeah.

this is the kind of shit we should try to make viral, for maximum libtard butthurt.

Get off the computer, grandma.

Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, Yeah.

They hardly have any laws governing commerce there. That's why fucking escalators eat people and you see that crazy Obama the hedgehog backpack shit. You want everything deregulated. That's what it looks like.

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And yet it's the retarded subhuman Republicans who are sucking off Russia.

Cute.

I'm not butt hurt, its expected, you chuds draw dicks in her mouth. You guys have the humor and self control of a middle schoolers.

All the people who leave the US to have lifesaving operations in the UK and Germany.

El voz de la creaturas

-Or even the meds that keep them alive in Mexico. (A long standing failed Socialist Democracy.)

Got damn son

Socialism always works. When it stops working it isn’t real socialism anymore.

Threadly reminder that the US government has made it illegal for Americans to travel to Cuba to receive healthcare because the Cubans have better and cheaper healthcare and it makes America's healthcare and insurance crooks look bad.

More truth to this than you think.

It's a great system, only it's utopian and very fragile. When it fails, it's the result of corruption. A stark contrast from Capitalism, which is corruption by design and only held in a stable condition when controls and regulations keep it honest.

Fun mental exercise: Would Socialism, if the controlling element was machine-based and not human-based, still fail? Why or why not?

Well while cuba tied USA in overall Healthcare rankings I don't think that is why we don't want people going to Cuba. I think it's because we have been trying to destroy it since the 1950s.

Well there is that. But I'm sure the medical organized crime lobby in America had plenty to do with it also.

Lolwut? This is like stabbing yourself because you have an inkling that the person next to you might not like the sight of blood

I mean going from Russian backwater behind everyone to space soviet empire, number 2 in the world seems like a success. But I don't have my head up my ass, so can't see what your talking about.

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No not fun, because ops nonsense that AOC wants to the USA to become a socialist country or that she is a socialist is false. Your imaginary scenario just reinforces the false equivalence op made.

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maybe she can cum on her own toes

Soon you will touch a woman, you just wait.

It would work if only governing rational beings. It would fail if humans are involved. See "Humans Can't Handle Utopia" discussion from The Matrix for reasons.

ay mama

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wow a boomer sure told everyone doesnt work! and trust me, boomers know what not working is cause they never had to work hard or take responsibility for anything.

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No he won't.

check it out, it's me

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i work my ass off to pay for the rich or the mooching poor but never ever give anything to the white working man! thats socialism!!
sure thing boomer faggot you lose.

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no, not socialist, not socialist, not socialist, not socialist

Reminder: Laissez-faire capitalism has never succeeded in any country at any time in history.

>inb4 a list of mixed economies

So then AOC is not socialist?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

If the US is your idea of a functional democracy (even though it isn't one at all), then you're an absolute moron.

>Socialism has never succeeded in any country at any time in history.
thats because it was never democratic socialist, countries claiming to be socialist were nothing more than dictatorships under the guise of 'we da revolution".

most people are very dumb. if you think that real ruling of a nation should be done by just all the people combined and if there are 85 million votes that everyone gets 1000 bucks a month for nothing and only 83 million say no, that would destroy us.

you should read plato's republic. focus on the the experimental concept city kallipolis. it is an ideal city concept. it's certainly not dumb socialist anything. it's actually kind of like that episode of "the simpsons" where the most intelligent people rule.

National Socialism was successful in Germany right up until Churchill decided to destroy Europe.

Wouldn't have been white :)

>High unionization
Socialism is one nation held together by a single union of all workers
>High rates of taxation
Socialists believe taxation is theft you moron
>democratic control over capitol
Socialism doesn't have capitol, they believe in democratic control of production; pretty much making a corporate board from all the employees.

you don't know what your talking about, so just stop posting

so Mexico and most of Africa are communist now???

>"Socialists believe taxation is theft you moron"
First I've heard of this, and I'm a 3rd Gen Socialist. Always been described as a happy duty and patriotic privilege in my family. Except for a while during the 80s.

Only socialist countries that exist right now:
>Venezuela
>China
>Cuba
>Honduras
>'nam
>North Korea
>Uruguay
The only descent country in that list is Uruguay

We already understand that OP is a retard and that only retards think Democratic Socialism has anything to do with Socialism.

Yea; both are shit

Once most jobs are automated, socialism will be necessary.

>Rich Latin country decides to switch to socialism
>Destroy their own economy
>US intervenes in any way at all

Socialists:
>"muh imperializm"

no, even if she thinks she is; she's not.
Just a moronic dem

Reminder: to criticize any subject you HAVE TO FUCKING STUDY IT.
You retarded motherfucker.

sure thing boomer, and you all totally didnt destroy america! totally!
go be a faggot elsewhere, you lie about yang because you have no defense against logic or reason onyl greed selfishness and stupidity.
tick tock boomer fuck by 2024-2028 we wont see your kind in office ever again. Your voter base will be dead.
and history will talk of you boomers like the plague that you were, compared to the dark ages.
tick tock faggot.

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Bootstraps, they just need to create new jobs :).ill be taking a job as executionare when we purge the oligarchy.

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That can be automated

You have to be 18 to post here. It’s a school night, go to bed.

It's possible

I actually am a socialist, and I'm millennial.

Not being enough of a moron to believe every fail of socialism is due to a CIA conspiracy, doesn't make me some alt-right boomer you autist.

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Blackpilled

>That can be automated
.....

...I have no practical response to that.

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sure thing faggot we totally believe you are totally socialist going against socialism in a thread about socialism.
nice comeback did they use it in the 1970s when you fucked america with your bullshit? dust that shit off huh? dust those old ones off every once in awhile to try and rowl up the ole kids huh? get a clue faggot.

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This "not real socialism" and "but da cia" bullshit is why people think socialism is a joke

Sure kid,stay mad

then ya just leveled up to understand why we need UBI. because automation takes everything and leave none for the people and everything for the corporations, unless we act now.

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Any real socialist would understand that the idea of socialism is incomplete, and to ignore the failures of it would be moronic.

they think its a joke cause you boomers and rich kids lie and steal and cheat to fuck over the working men to pay for you and the moochers. its why yall hate UBI you know then you cant mooch as much. but enough about honesty, go fuck yourself lier, proven wrong, set in stone, go be a faggot on your own.
always mad, you a hormone taking tranny fag? old age causing ya to lose all that test?
Sure were mad enough to keep responding faggot. keep crying for me.

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so totally agree, we she never try socialism because you said it totally isnt socialism but fake socialism that we say we want but down want cause its fake!
gotcha, totally understand you now, you are a faggot loser talking out your ass.

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The word "Socialist" is one of the only words so loaded that it can compete with either "nigger" or "kike" as a pejorative, despite not being inherently offensive or insulting in and of itself.

litterally the same person

you're probably a Trotskyist

What? where did it say "it isn't socialism"

literally just said I don't agree with that shit.

Are you autistic? Is it passed your bedtime?

not same person faggot, but keep trying after being told and owned.
perhaps next time dont bring you weak ass shit here.
glad I won and you had to resort to this stupid ass "umm ummm what can I do h umm I know umm he samefagging so his making me his bitch means he didnt make me his bitch wahhhh"
keep it coming my personal sissy bitch.

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You're actually autistic

me:

delicious (you)s

Reminder: neither has capitalism

Neither is an argument

extremely factually incorrect statement lmao

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Nigger wtf, every capitalist country is a powerhouse

What stripe of Socialism do you embrace? I am unable to suss it from the posts you referenced. From what little I can tell, your take on Socialism and mine are also apparently very different, so I'm quite curious.

>mfw I get paid money for going to school and college
>mfw hospitals are free on demand
>mfw we give benefits to people who need it
>mfw unemployment low af
>mfw people say literally socialism is not socialism is my country

>All of Africa
>Greece
>Italy
>Indo China
>India
>Mexico
>Brazil
>Columbia
>Poland
>Philippines
>Indonesia

uhhh... no

I know that's a jpeg, but it feels like a gif. It could be me trembling, but it sure looks like it has movement. That image is freaky.

I'm not sure there is a particular name for it, but to put it simply: I believe in Marxist communism, implemented through mostly democratic means. I believe some sort of market is necessary to the development of the commune, and that some production should not be nationalized in the traditional sense, but be democratically controlled by the workers. Thinks like food services and artisan industry.

You really ARE scared, aren't you?

France, we are socialist since 70's but nearly all president since that try to liberalise french economy. Macron is the wort of all. We are one on the first country with heathcare, we have money and helps when we are unemployed. Help for buying new car when we are poor. But beeside this we have lot of taxe on everywhere

>Anonymous 03/11/19(Mon)05:24:05 No.794670751
Says the man who liked to play cowboys and soldiers but never served a day in his life and ratted out actual decorated veterans as "commies". Love his films, but the Duke was a piece of shit.

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Yeah buddy, keep working your ass off to pay for that wall little bitch, I'm sure it'll benefit you greatly...

Oh. A Purist in this day and age! Color me amazed.
30s revival style California Socialist pragmatic progressive here, I'm afraid. Not at all ideologically pure. Can respect what you're after, but don't believe it's obtainable in a world of more than 50 or so ideologically homogeneous (and very patient) humans. Best of luck.

Maybe even Bigly, or YUGEly!

Underrated post.

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So Sweden does not excist?

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Nah bro that's literally the opposite of socialism also rapes lmao xddd

Look at venezuela stupid libtard xdddddd

You are actually a retard, and/or don't know shit about politics.

>muh faux news told me
Post

>No, but I can build a polygon mesh and link it to a skeleton, include inverse kinematic motion restraints, and add various potential deforms, utilizing a graphic language matrix... Oh, wait, that is basically coding, isn't it?
No, it's not.
>Wait- what does this have to do with Socialism anymore?
Very much and your inability to realize that is what makes you a socialist. Once you realize that your entire value as an individual equals your ability to make a meaningful contribution, you stop being a socialist.

you keep saying boomer. I'm not sure you know what that is.

do you mean someone over 55?

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If your telling a socialist, they don't know about socialism, and thus politics; then you should re assess

That's the stinkiest fart on this thread, goddamn!

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I think you mean it's an option

So the us has millions of old people? More than citizens in Canada?
Damn! You learn new things every day.

Socialism might not work, but communism does.
Look at every company and see how all employees work together and help each other without asking each other a payment for their help. That's the ultimate communist situation.

How many post-colonial third world shitholes does the US government have to sabotage, sanction and bomb into the Stone Age until people realise that Socialism doesn't work?

Obamacare is just corporatized medicine.

>"Once you realize that your entire value as an individual equals your ability to make a meaningful contribution..."
And your only accepted definition of "Contribution" is fiat based and materialistic, no doubt. Calvanist heresy.
And yes, being able to create and integrte 3D graphics involves coding. Just not the primary part of my degree, nor my interest, because only mildly autistic.

wtf is the source of this?

u callin me gay?

I love hoiw the same thread triggers people every day, wtf is wrong with you?

These countries rank as having some of the most Market freedom in the world user. They are capitlist as fuck. I am a leaf, and I find it really annoying when dumbass Americans think my Neoliberal country is socialist cause we have public healthcare. Does the USPS make the US tankie now?

Bad example. USPS was semi-privatized decades ago

Just a reminder

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I don't know what they call it stateside, but here we call it a "crown corporation" it is basically a government owned business. There is nothing private about it, it just runs like a private business because of the efficiencies and advantages attached to markets. That was my point. I am tired of Tankies calling every society that isnt Ancap socialist for working, but totally capitalist when it doesn't. Realistically I see no reason to consider Canada more socialist then the states.

goblinos are so horny for AOC it makes me physically uncomfortable.

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What about Yugoslavia? It was doing pretty well under Tito.

Implying we don't currently have a dictatorship.

youtube.com/watch?v=cY0oWd7xQLw

Does it involve coding or does it involve clicking stuff and filling in values in some boxes?
What do you mean by fiat based and materialistic? Could you give an example of a contribution that is not?

socialism is effective in developing countries playing economic catch-up, where there are other more advanced nations which through capitalism have made all the decisions, good and bad, and discovered which decision is best to increase living standards. thus providing a direct path to their present day level of development, without the individuals of the undeveloped countries suffering making the wrong decisions, which the majority of people in the capitalist nations have (the poor).

although capitalism in its majority is exploitative, it's capacity of improving a society to a level which has not yet been offered, without altruistic intent, is why it will remain the dominate mode of power exchange.

socialism in theory could also achieve that, but it would require that the humans involved in running it are not cunts, which is why regardless of how appealing it may be on paper, in practicality it's representative of people: it's shit.

but figure out how to make people not shit, then socialism will be valid.

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Oh that's cute in theory. Yeah Uncle Sam takes from me to give to that lazy bastard who want work. We already have issues with this to a degree now need to correct them and kick these stupid ass people out. Go to a country that has socialism

I don't think you understand.
Socialism makes it illegal not to work.
The USSR had a law that put you in prison forced you to work if you refused to get a job. Ever heard of labour camps?
There was also no unemployment because the government was legally obligated to provide you with a normal job.

lol @ american's think obama care is ''socialist''

it's literally just your governement forcing you to shop privately and forcing you to buy insurance or they charge you another fee

nothing socialist about it, it's just plain old authoritarian style chrony capitalism

Do you really think anybody can realize socialism in USA 2019? This beautiful latina body just can make a trick as the false nigger Obama.

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yeah i bet socialism is actually pretty awesome
too bad you forgot jews and niggers exist

only exists in the mind of Yea Forums

>Obama the hedgehog backpack shit
Fuck, I forgot about that. My fucking sides.

You are very threatened by a nice, intelligent and successful young woman. It says a lot about you.

it succeeded in concentrating power into a centralized government, as it was designed to do. it was never supposed to restore power to the people, but to bring power to a state that claims to represent the people but of course won't, because that's not how power works.

What???

>chrony
Ok champ

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>be ML state
>antirevisionist
>successful
OP is a faggot

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>I am a leaf, and I find it really annoying when dumbass Americans think my Neoliberal country is socialist cause we have public healthcare.

Fellow leaf here and there's no use talking to Burgertards. They're brainwashed morons who are allergic to logic and reason.

T. Retard

These are very good assessments.

>MY extremely narrow and specific definition of this thing has NEVER worked in any countries and NEVER will.

Ok lol.

Acting like a tribal child and puffing your chest out and defending your 'team' whether its pure capitalism or socialism is hilarious.

There are great aspects to both of these things, and they work best when combined.

>m-muh mix!
>t. retard that never studied socialist theory

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What you call "socialism" is just a set of legislative measures that prevents society in a capitalist system from becoming completely commodified and transforming into a different system as a result. The system doesn't become "less capitalist" because of this. If anything, it stays capitalist for longer, because it hinders collapse and transformation.
The ideology of capitalism asserts a totally free market as the end goal, but a totally free market would spell the end of capitalist society because 1. the way monopolies work and 2. the fact that it would imply commodifying things which do not function as commodities (money, land and human beings).
People think legislation and state regulation threaten capitalism, when actually it's the only thing keeping capitalism going.

no, you should read some Aristotle
specifically when he goes over the differences between plato and his teacher socrates

socrates believed in democracy, so much so that he willingly died for it and agreed to kill himself for it and it's principles

this was the very reason plato despised democracy and valued a aristocracy in it's place because he believed that socrates was a philospher king and deserved to be treated as such, and if the mob could kill such a man due to their own ignorance, then the mob would kill a nation due to their own ignorance

literally ignored everything socrates taught him, plato was a playright, aristotle was the star pupil

you clueless fucking stain.
be silent and read more.
you know nothing.
saged

Why do you care that 40,000 losers die a year? 40000 people unable to take care of themselves. If we doubled that number would be a blessing

market freedom is not an indicator of socialism, social ownership over what is produced is the main indicator of how ''socialist'' a country is

if the means of production are state run, socialism

if the means of production are privatized but you are taxed out the ass and there is a democratic control over said tax funds that the working class has a say in, socialism

If your work force has the ability to directly influence their wages through mediation/unionization/cooperative and it is state mandate, that is socialism

if policy is based on universality when considering spending, i.e. (everyone has a right to XYZ) that is typically a socialist characteristic

A command economy is a fixture of Marxism, which is a type of socialism, however a socialist state can co-exist with a market economy all the same, it is a socialist state to the degree that the working class has a say in how the capital generated through their labor is utilized

according to you, the US was socialist in the 1940s-1960s

thankfully, it's mostly trump voters

lol this yang shit, he's a gun-grabber who wants to give every nigger 1000 bucks

guess what they'll buy with it

an "unregistered" (stolen) handgun is $200 in CA if you're black

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This is actually true. Capitalism is the underlay for all Social democratic nations. That's why it isn't actual socialism. What are you faggots afraid of? Health care for everyone? Decent schools and education? A fairer chance for anyone to get ahead?

....aaaand that's why fucks like you should have ZERO say in anything. Jesus would be proud of you.