Daily reminder: No country has ever successfully implemented socialism. Not one

and that is exactly how "socialist" AOC and Bernie want he US to be and if you don't know that then you are retarded.

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>thinking definitions are subjective
no, it's more of a way to keep you from weaseling out anyone starts questioning your narrative user. define socialism so everyone can start shitting on you.

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You mean Norway's market economy with a high tax rate? They do not implement Socialism.

Why not list the recent bastion of Socialist success, Venezuela? It was "real Socialism" until it collapsed in on itself. Now the government is posting troops at its borders to deny aid and ordering its military to massacre citizens who attempt to resist their state of starvation.

Raising the minimum wage did the opposite of helping, in exactly the way opponents of raising it here tell you it will.

It resulted in roving gangs of armed children raiding rich neighborhoods to steal food.

Socialism destroys economies, and kills millions.

then quit yer whinin'

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Democratic Socialists - just like Hitler and the Nazi Party

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and nobody wants that you fucking retard

no, nothing like that at all.

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That's not true op
Over 400 countries have successfully implemented socialism

Actually, that's Nationa-Socialism

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>successfully implemented socialism
Every country in the world has successfully implemented socialist policies, and capitalist policies. No one is saying to turn the USA into a totalitarian state, or to take away the rights of a capitalist to own their business.

the ole one two punch of propaganda eh?

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Venezuela is not democratic socialism

There are different. German Socialism ≠ American

Their burning thru cash wait until they get another few million more niggers

Then again they'll probably just make it illegal to report on minorities like england france and germanstan

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Miss Alexandria, how I love her...
youtube.com/watch?v=x0cv_Ior5FY

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The United states

They are. As there are different languages and different country's

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Yeahh! Elon...you was all time

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OH SHIT

THE PROLETARIAT IS WARMING UP SOCIALISM

QUICK SCRAMBLE THE PROPAGANDISTS

Q: How many countries with socialized healthcare have quit and gone back to non-socialized healthcare?

A: Zero.

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The US is Capitalist Genius

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nobody in the US is pushing pure socialism. I don't know why that is so hard for you to understand

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antitrust laws aren't capitalistic user.

They are all waiting in line to see a Doctor

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you faggots ever play monopoly?

thats how it should be. 1 person should own everything and the rest should be beggars. just as god intended.

Nobody wants what you are selling

The Middle Class is already sick and tired of paying for all the "Free Stuff"

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Democratic, national, marxist. They're all the same thing: just a means to communism and you plebs make up these euphemisms because even though you know it doesn't work, you double down anyway and don't want to look like an idiot even though we all figured out that you are a long time ago.

Except nearly all 1st world countries provide Healthcare and education at half the cost of the USA or completely state sponsored. So why is it that we don't have the money to lift all boats but we do have the money for the 1 percenter yachts, companies that are people, and never ending war.

>Let's adopt Norway's policies
You mean like 24% corporate tax, 28% income tax and no inheritance tax? I'm down.

Not true at all. Plenty of countries have "successfully implemented socialism". Ot just so happens that once that socialism is implemented the countries ceased to be successful

their grafix guy was on fleek

Interesting how that looks like a good chunk of the United states today.

I live in New Zealand, which is not a socialist country BUT the shit we have would/has made a lot of Republican Americans throw a shitfit and go "SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! TYRANNY!" at the idea of having in the US lol. I'm talking free public hospitals, if you get sick or injured, you go the hospital, they sort you out, you say thanks and leave. Medicine you need to get from the pharmacy after a doctors appointment or whatever will probably be pretty cheap, I think most of it is subsidised. Everyone with a job has to pay into work accident/injury thing, which then means if you get injured at work you can get your medical bills covered and money to cover you for the time you miss work. There are multiple social safety nets with benefits for unemployment, sickness, extra money if you have kids ect.
And guess what.
This country is fucking lit. I've been to San Fran, New York and most of it is a third world shithole in comparison.

oh, like the roads you drive on? cause, the working class is the only really paying taxes anymore.

corporations dont. rich people pay less per dollar than the average american.

you wanna complain about the 'free ride' complain about the corporations that use our roads and highways, but dont contribute to their upkeep.

i love that white dudes see themselves like this. im a white dude and even find this shit hilarious. stop being pussies.. you make us look bad.

asking for your definition is a euphemism? wtf?

Always amusing to watch the idiots on the bottom of the red dot worry about socialism.

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this all sounds AWESOME.

What I love is comrades like yourself who can't even see how fucking stooopid she is. Full blown retard.

How the fuck do you not know what a euphemism is?

Liberals AND conservatives conveniently ignore that the reason our country has such a vast number of unemployed/underemployed people is due to the high number of dumb fucking idiots who breed like rabbits.

If you removed the population with a less than 90 IQ and you removed those who are drug addled homeless addicts, the country would be the very best in every metric in the world.

Our country makes it too easy for be poor and worthless.

The poor and worthless bring down our statistics and importing people from third world shitholes does nothing to help it.

People are not equal.

What's up with Yea Forums' massive throbbing erection for AOC?

Ah no. You live in a 1st world country tuats very well off. You have shopping centers and malls. Food stores full of food and fast food options.

When I saw Bill Nye get behind her, that's when I lost any and all hope. Guy is a full blown moron to support airhead AOC.

>free
also
>I've been to San Fran
kys

When AOC tilts all the cucks

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how many times do i have to ask you to define it, before you actually do?

Pretty sure during the LA riots people were fighting off looters with guns. But that was different for some reason

AOC is advocating for the sort of democratic socialism that has been successfully implemented in Scandinavian countries.

If you claim "those aren't truly socialist and therefore don't count", you're not rebutting AOC in good faith.

I wish we could put all you poor nigger, spics, and white commies into that red dot.

Perhaps twitter wimps and sjw types get laughed at elsewhere so thought they would try yet Yea Forums on their side? It does seem rather stange that all of a sidden AOC is a daily thread.

You cant equate aocs policies to a country that is not capitalist because you ignore the fact that policies are already implemented like Medicare, unemployment, and Social security. Knowing these policies already exist in what you claim is a capitalist country means that the policies didn't turn the country into a socialist country. brookings.edu/opinions/the-u-s-is-still-a-capitalist-country/

>that has been successfully implemented in Scandinavian countries
Lol. Those countries are shit just like all of yuropistan. Feel free to give me 70% of your income though.

They already said they use the accepted google definition you cocksucker

...

>Never been in Europe.
>Still knows everything

"Free healthcare isn't actually free"

It means free at the point of use you fucking mongoloid. Literally everyone knows what this means. We all get it. Its paid by taxes. Do you really think you're the only one that doesn't get this?
You're like the special kid in class everyone smiles and laughs with so your feelings aren't hurt

>2lazy to google himself

>what is finland

Where was capitalism successfully implemented please?

Bingo. Sadly this will fall on deaf, teenage libertarian ears.

get out of here with your sourced logic and reason.

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China

Or maybe your bias makes you unable to have a rational discussion on the topic?

>they do not implement socialism
correct, they implement democrati socialism, as he said.

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It doesn't matter.

Poor immigrants are flooding into America. In time, they will gain control of the government. And will eventually have the power to "steal" from the rich and give to themselves.

"Socialism" is inevitable in America.

Only a civil war can stop it.

>execution vans
sure, if chink central is your definition of success you're a retard. China is communist anyway you fucking idiot

>must pay for it
>it's free tho xDDDDD
Feel "free" to kys my man.

The USA has tons of public hospitals. None of them look like that.

zoomers were eating tide pods.

Norway

>Over 400 countries
Soo, twice as many as all of them? That's a pretty good trick. I assume some of them must be multiply Socialist.

Gummy Spic

You have nothing and you'll be nothing because you're too stupid to vote your own interests.

How long are you going to be willfully ignorant before you look it up in the dictionary? Definitions aren't subjective. People who act like they are, are liars.

"Since economic liberalization began in 1978, China has been among the world's fastest-growing economies,[...]"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China

And cities with neighborhoods that look like this.

And no, it's not just black people that live below the poverty line. There are tons of people of all races in the United States that can't make ends meet despite working 50-60 hours a week.

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Definitions are subjective. Even absolute units like mass and length get new ones over time.

Meme level cursed

I am biased against stupid people. There is nothing rational about anything AOC says. When she speaks, I feel like I'm listening to a child or a middle schooler writing a wish list of all the things they want.

She is the left's Sarah Palin.

they don't implement either. They implement capitalism with a heavy dose of socialist welfare nanny state.

>She is the left's Sarah Palin.
so she's only like half retarded?

>nobody in the US is pushing pure socialism
Did you read the Green New Deal?

Cmon user. I know u should be doing something useful right now. Stop arguing and continue be productive.

ok, mind explaining to me how tariffs are capitalism?

There has been what you would call socialism since 3000 bc. I'm sure the number of countries that had policies you claim would make them socialist far exceed 400. I wish USA would cancel all the debts on medical cost, and tuition something you would say is socialism and something a caveman from 3000bc knows is right but you can't figure it out because of your bias. You are dumber than a primitive person from 3000bc that may have believed in witches.

cadtm.org/The-Long-Tradition-of-Debt

Who is working 60 hours a week and can't make ends meet? Unless you have a brood with parasitic children and you're working minimum wage, no way can you not live decently working 60 hours a week on minimum wage, let alone the avg adjusted salary.

She is as retarded as Sarah Palin is retarded like her son.

Errytime!

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Yep, all the Democrat controlled parts.

It's kind of pathetic that Americans point to a bunch of poor european countries as success stories. Though even American leftists have the good sense not to mention France (or Venezuela) anymore

but she couldn't be as retarded as palin, she never registered as a republican.

This US has negative population grow without immigration. Your premise is flawed.

>in New Zealand
I hate to brake it to you, but the vast majority of Americans either have no idea where New Zealand is or think it's part of Australia. So they don't think ANYTHING about your government.

Stop trying to gaslight, anyone who reads mainstream media knows Dems approve of basically any policy that would take us closer to hardcore communism, and media cheers it on

>AOC is not a republican but is a democrat
so you're saying she is more retarded?

This. Unfortunately this...

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and? Let me guess, you think the immigrant population is helping the country because of a theoretical increase in GDP due to the increase in consumption?

That's the worst part about capitalism, the obsession with growth at any cost. As a capitalist, that's the worst part about it.

Why not just kys

Low birth rates endless migration and disarmament kys I'd rather fight to the death

>corporations that use our roads and highways, but dont contribute to their upkeep.
I'd love to know how corporations don't pay gas tax or vehicle registration.

If you make $30k/yr are you are in the 1% globally for income. You're just an envious sack of shit. Get a real job pal

Fuck off Trumptard no one cares that your Whiteness is being assaulted

They are slowly becoming more socialist and it's becoming dystopic

I'd rather not go down that slippery slope

You just wrote an entire assmad essay because someone objected to your gay little marketing term

not quite user.

Norway actually just gave several incentives to get rid of Muslim migrants...or was that Denmark?

yeah she is the problem because of the color of her skin... right... not because of the dumb shit that streams out of her mouth. I'd rather live next door to a black 50 year old veteran than to a 20 year old white as snow Antifa faggot any day.

get fucked cause you're cucked.

I think commies and socialists should be executed that's my 2 cents

Well she is certainly not less retarded. She is either equally retarded or more retarded.

You don't have to be white to want to protect property rights and rule of law. I moved here because i wanted to get away from your criminal 3rd world bullshit, kill yourself

Ooooo! That makes so much sense. I was sure that I'd made up Sweden and the other Nordics, and all of Europe...thank you for confirming.

The funniest thing about that pic is, that isn't far from how it IS divided.
Nearly 40% of Americans don't even own their own house. They have less then the red dot. Meanwhile, 30% is owned directly by the government.

incorrect, they are by definition democratic socialist. ironic how you rip on "snowflake libshits" all day and still don't see how you let your precious fee fees get in the way of holding an iota of civil conversation. Instead you screech reactionary bullshit day in and day out and dont see a single fucking problem with it, like you're immune to the bullshit you so vindictively stand against. You are an aggressive, hateful, disagreeable piece of shit and you're entirely blind to the hypocrisy you enable by participating in it.

source: worldpopulationreview.com/countries/democratic-socialist-countries/

You'll let women completely own and dominate you via public policy, and let pedophilic trannies teach your kids, if it means whitey is as poor as you. And you call yourself a man...

>not as retarded
means what user?

If you haven't noticed the right wing is rising and average scandinavians are turning against those that promote migration.

Its propaganda, what do you expect?

or deported. That way there is no martyrdom with them. As a jew I hated what Hitler did to my people but at the same time I can understand what he was trying to accomplish. Had he simply deported all the undesirables, he wouldn't be excoriated and vilified. he made several mistakes and while I don't think I'd ever want to live in Nazi germany Jew or not, I feel it would have been right at the very least for his country to accomplish what it wanted to without being a genocidal maniac and not binge invading other countries.

Nazism has led to the importation of the undesirables into europe which is a travesty.

It was very different. LA was rampaging niggers. None of them were hungry and looking for food, they just wanted to pillage and burn.

this guy kinda proved otherwise op

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Um, they aren't. Capitalism means the government has no hand in the economy. America isn't a capitalist country, it's mixed. I don't get why most people think every issue is a 2-sided coin.

fantastic. end of thread.

Well AOC and Bernie call themselves Democratic Socialists but when you listen to their platforms, they're really all outright commies. The terms are completely irrelevant.

Socialism is one step away from communism as the eventual goal.

Communism sounds like a good idea but it doesn't work because people are inherently selfish and lazy. Those who scream the loudest for communism are those who would actually be the reason for it failing.

It takes very smart, hard working, selfless, conscientious persons to have a communist society succeed. Those who scream the loudest for such a society lack all of those traits necessary for it to succeed because it's their inherent greed and envy of others that drives their cause.

That's why communism can't work. Socialist countries with generous welfare programs are barely scraping by. Import a few million parasitic migrants and the system collapses unless you engage in rationing (which they all do).

I think incels and conservatards should be executed that's my 2 cents

Hitler invaded nations to counter western aggression from France and UK. This is why he invaded Denmark Norway Belgium and the Netherlands. His goal was to unify germans and destroy Jewish lead communism and international socialism and usury. If anyone was genocidal maniacs it was the communists.

No he didn't, after his death everything he created came crashing down. The only reason Yugoslavia lasted so long was bc it was artificially held together by Tito's dictatorial rule.

AOC and Bernie are incorrect when they call them selves Democratic Socialists when in fact they are Social Democrats. Which is frustrating to no end, as one of their supporters. Even the Democratic Socialists of America have come out and said that their ideas are not in line. Neither Sanders or AOC are post capitalist. They’re simply looking at what works for the rest of the world and use it to improve our system. Let’s stop falsely comparing the expansion of social programs by the libertarian left with authoritarianism.

Communism even on paper is immoral. And international socialism is tantamount to shitting on your ancestors graves.

Kind of sounds like ur a tool.

Die in a car wreck hope your mom is raped by niggers that's my 2 cents

cry harder

i too am waitign on this answer ... having worked in corporate i can promise they pay a shitload of taxes in many ways the average person may not see/understand. will they try to skirt paying them? yes. but take universal healthcare and how that worked on taxing busiensses and individuals - what happened? we decided to lower everyone hourly who was not a supervisor or lead to under 32hr/week average over a period of months in order to disqualify them from benefits.

make a system that ISNT perfect but makes everyone feel like they are winning a little bit is all that needs done.

too many pick this flag of socialism up and run with it simply because they are jealous or hateful of people who have more. notice i said 'too many' - not all.

>boomer detected

>t. brainwashed idiot who's been condtioned to not distinguish between democratic socialism and communism

Your masters want you to think this way. Have fun being a political puppet your entire life. Just remember: the people you listen to, want you to think the way you do so you're more easily controlled. You are a pawn to them.

>swallowing spook propaganda

Has she said she wants to implement socialism?

Kek triggered snowflakes everywhere

Why? I’m just trying to explain the difference. It goes unexplained and I wish they would address it

What "western aggression" do you speak of? Germany directly/indirectly caused WWI and WWII.

Not all jews were communist, not even most of them. Instead there were a lot of leftist radicals who were and were not Jews, some of them hating the Jews.

I'm tired of people blaming certain religions/races for things. It's one thing to stereotype but to actually believe that it's an either or thing is ridiculous. There are far more Jews for trump than there are Puerto Ricans for Trump, yet all I see is Jew bashing on here.

Attack the leftist liberals, that's where the energies should be. I see more attacks against Jews than muslims despite the fact that far more muslims have views that are anti-western.

I think boomers sold out the young for shekels, they are literally appeased by social welfare aka social security. They grew decadent and had less children due to degeneracy. Now they allow migrants to replace the young, as a result the young are turning more nat soc and are calling out the traitorous boomers.

Everything in politics is propoganda. Abolisg bipartisan politics and the problems this country have would be solved within 20 years.

Why is communism on paper immoral if people are voluntarily participating? I don't think any political system or govt. is "moral" if it's forced upon persons.

Wanting to impose socialism disarmament and allow mass migration is international socialism. And it is borderline communist .

I'd rather be a pawn in a great society than a leader of a shithole.

It's not voluntary ppl like me do exist and we will fight back.

This may actually been the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread. You've apparently redefined socialism to include everything from medieval serfdom to hunter/gatherer tribes.

Congrats, I'm out. You win. There's no discussion here anymore, just name calling and ignorance.

>ignoring the fact that china is the world's largest economy
The future is nazbol.

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You think your opinions are your own, lol. It's so sad seeing someone buy into the bullshit

yeah, fite the powr!! #meninist

The ancients cared about race nation and religion, they where basically nat soc, it truly is the default govt for mankind.

>unironically calling someone out for an unoriginal opinion while stereotypically sounding like a 15 year old girl who wears a Che Guevara T-shirt. I'm sure you genuinely believe you're a 'deep thinker'.

Did you go to a private school? Did a private construction company pave all the roads in your town for free? Is your local PD paid by private owners?

People have been doing it since the beginning of time.

>Maduro elected democratically
>Maduro claims and is proud to be a socialist

What are we missing?

Not an argument watch stefan molyneux

Incorrect. Germany did it well. But that’s because they were 100% white

He arrested most opposition and openly sought to impose a permanent socialist system. Sounds anything but democratic. This is exactly why I'd stand and fight rather than capitulate.

National soc. And international soc are vastly different.

Poor immigrants flooding into america! This surly spells doom for our way of life!

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But I thought americans used to be pioneers and succed where anyone else has failed

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Also New Zealand has less than 5 million people. New York State alone has almost 20 million. No wonder your village of a country can support a quasi socialist government.

you idiots have been saying the same thing for 150 years

immigrantarchiveproject.org/brief-history-anti-immigrant-propaganda/

immigrantarchiveproject.org/brief-history-anti-immigrant-propaganda/

>He arrested most opposition
except the one claiming to be president
fucking kids these days

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still jerks off with b instead of making babies

Wrong on even basic, fundamental levels of comprehension.

2 kids and wanting more

No such thing

bullshit

Do you use roads or any other public services? Congratulations! you are a socialist!

There are small groups of communist communes that work. However, they're quite selective in who they allow to enter. I'm a capitalist but I also understand that no political system is perfect for everyone, just some work better than others for most people.

I think it's possible to have a voluntary communist country, it's just that we've yet to see it and all likelihood will never see it. The country would have to be extremely selective and have the ability to expel members without a second thought. All the 'feel good' crap associated with communism would have to be squashed and people would have to be realistic on what is and isn't possible.

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feel teh bern

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Socialism=/=communism

This troll is crazy effective

Yeah one gives a country car brands that become internationally renowned, the other gives starvation that’s internationally laughed at.

in fact, ALL countries where socialism has been implemented have been successful - for the poor.
It's like Venezuela today. The people wanting to overthrow Maduro are the wealthy, who have seen a (small) decrease in living standards. The rest of the population has gone from NOTHING to an decent standard of living, especially before the sanctions.

Same thing for Russia and China, for example. Thing is the voices of serfs/slaves/destitute people is completely silenced in the history books.

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I'm gonna be the better man. Instead, it's gulag for you after the revolution.

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Nazi Germany altho' National socialism.

But he got a elected, so what’s the problem?

The process of Democracy was carried out, and he dropped the Democratic part the second he got any real power. Gee it’s like there’s some sort of lesson there...

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Go be poor, little child

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You mean you can't understand that debt cancelation by the government is a socialist policy or socialism doesn't make the country a socialist country. It's like saying you are acting like an idiot vs you are an idiot. You can act like an idiot when it comes to socialist policies but you might not be a complete idiot, you might be smart about other things.

The do-nothing government is a waste of time. Those mother fuckers act like kings when in reality they’re at fault for 9/11. And they want respect hahaha. Best bet is suicide for them.

>as been implemented have been successful - for the poor.
>It's like Venezuela today. The people wanting to overthrow Maduro are the wealthy, who have seen a (small) decrease in living standards. The rest of the population has gone from NOTHING to an decent standard of living, especially before the sanctions.
I know this is bait, but do you think you'd be happier in Venezuela or where you currently live?

This. Leftists are Nazis by their own definition lmao.

Kek you literally don't know what socialism is faggot. BTW nice evasion tactics to hide your ignorance.

fuck off boomers

Took you 3 hours to come up with that?

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citations to the contrary. please.

What about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? The Kingdom of Kuwait? The Empire of Russia? Etc.

FDR wasnt a democratic socialist, he was a welfare state nanny. aka capitalist state with nanny gubment giving out benefits.

actually in all fairness, we've been blaming darky as well.....