There is no such thing as a successful person who genuinely supports socialism. It’s only the poor that want it...

>Tyrone and Jimbob
autism

>education is an investment.
A $100billion+, per year, investment in an over-saturated education system pushing out useless made up curriculums. Sure there are some worthwhile degrees, and entry to them should be merit based. If you want a degree in psychology of the adolescent mollusk, it should not be free.

Because socialism is about redistributing wealth to the poor. After a certain point in earnings, you pay more into socialist programs than what you get out of it. It's detrimental to anybody that can be called successful.

Lol. I live in Canada tard. I pay a fraction of the taxes fox news tells you I do.

Also understand what a marginal tax rate is as I'm sure youre one of those retards who thinks 70% marginal tax rate means they just start taking 70% of all my earnings

Cause being poor and uneducated go together usually. Same reason you have daft college chicks wearing Che Guevara shirts....oh hey you know that guy shot an 8 year old in the head and would have gays tortured and killed by dogs as he ate his dinner right? These daft cunts have no idea what the real worlds like

I have a household income > 150k.
I unironically support Democratic Socialism.

AMA.

>pushing out useless made up curriculums.
right I forgot, anything not engineering=useless

fucking socially backward fuck

He understood that theft was a lot lower when your employees could afford the product you sold and aggressive unionization tougher when the boss was a "friend". Lets not pretend he did anything for the general good. He found the balance required to become rich without having your employees turn on you.

>hurr durr gurls wearin commie shirts
user you claim to be "educated" and you elected an idiot to the Presidency.

Pretty sure Einstein was on the left side of the compass, no?

Higher education is literally what put America where it is user... And why China and India are gaining so fast in future tech. We're going to be surpassed very soon. Then see what happens to the economy when global tech imports turn to the east.

I'm a nigger and I need more free shit, please support AOC and kill, kill kill the White Man.

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What the fuck does that have to do with anything said about free education?

>Free education wont work and is unaffordable
>You probably don't understand marginal tax rate, I finally comprehended it last week so now its my go to deflection when someone questions the merit of a policy. Retards like me are the reason we need free education.

Capitalism has been an abject failure, it's time to try something else

And what's happening now, user? Is the working class turning on the government? Because the balance isnt being met?

You're in the altruism trap. You don't have to be a cutthroat to be successful. And you definitely do not know what was going on in Ford's head.

I replied to the wrong person. Meant for

ANOTHER ONE!

What is it about this bitch that scares the LIVING SHIT out of Conservaturds?

RUN AWAY LITTLE RIGHTIE!!!!

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Basic economics. The right wing are right that there are a lot of lazy people these days not contributing actual labor to the economy. They are the same type of people that have so much money they can donate more money in one year to politics than a single working class person will ever have in their retirement fund.

>when youre dumb and have nothing to good to reply with

Huuur duur not american thank god

>A lot of lazy people not contributing
Citation needed. Not news articles, not your perception.

Yes, they do represent the interests of only the very wealthy, but keep in mind current-day thinking is very crony-ist and short term, with the watchword of the GOP being "fuck you, got mine". They aren't actually really "conservative" anymore, we don't have a party that is.

They cut taxes only for the insanely wealthy, which increases the debt and leaves everyone else to pay the bill. They seek to cut education and healthcare so people are sick, ignorant and afraid, making a docile, cheap workforce. And, if the entire country goes down the tubes, you'll see them all bail on us and we'll be left holding the bag.

At an unaffordable and unsustainable rate, I completely agree. I'll pay steak money for steak, not mac and cheese. There is no need for bachelors degrees in things that have no jobs and no future prospects. Paying billions a year so kids can go to shcool and get no applicable benefit, with an expense that no state can fit in thier buget, is pretty retarded. I will take housing for the homeless and healthcare for the poor, before sending lower middle class Johnny to school to learn pottery styles of the 1800's. The money is not there.

Bullshit, industrialization put america where it is, on the backs of laborers. It has been all smoke shows and decline since then. Its the same thing for China and India with industrialization. A large portion of the educated leave the country.

I dont contribute when im lazy. I can and have been lazy therefore a loss in earnings both by me and my government.
Citation needed?

>But honestly, we should really stop using the term "socialist" since it's now too muddled.

Yeah, let's give you faggots a euphemism for that. Illegal aliens are merely "undocumented citizens" now, so there's still hope for salvaging your shitty pet cause through verbal chicanery.

pssst, most curricula are made up

Classes are pretty set in stone at the moment. I was born basically on the poverty line and am pretty low class. It would take an unreasonable amount of time and effort to work myself out into middle class and upper class is basically unreachable barring winning the lottery. Socialism is doomed to fail but it's collapse is where the good shit is. Basically the collapse of the economy after socialism will force a class reset and give us a decent fighting Chan's to improve our lot in life. Are we gonna do as well as someone who was born into the upper class? Probably not. But multigenerational laziness of companies passed from father to son hurts the sons ability to start a business and so many upper class will fall and their money will pour into the lower classes.

>muh munny
found the insecure cataplectic agoraphobe

No, verbiage is a real issue especially since most people incorrectly equate the term socialism with communism.

The term is simply too blanket to be useful.

...user... Who invented the shit industrialization fed off of? UneducAted hicks in their garages? Are you one of those who has never actually sat down and thought for 4 seconds how fucking magically incredible your gps is? You should be screaming in awe struck excitement Everytime at least three satellites blazing around space at 15000 kmh triangulating your position and accounting in the math for the fact they're time travelling tells you where you are...

Scientists, engineers, doctors, PhDs and specialists all.buily everything you use and all of it is fucking mind blowing.

Industrialization didn't happen because a bunch of anti education people accidentally figured out metallurgy and combustible engines and stream power..

>not american
then shut up
you don't know wtf you're talking about

We call this an anecdote... And you're not "a lot of people."

Thank you, your lack of insight and superiour grasp of technical semantics has added greatly to the discussion.

>2008
>bailouts
>not capitalism
>socialism
>biggest socialist government in history
>America
You fucking retards have no idea at all what socialism even is. It’s just a disinformation meme to you. What do you think police, military, firefighters, UE, insurance, NASA, etc... the entire concept of government is socialist to begin with. Brainwashed by media you are.

90K is successful by trailer park standards.
If you were half as smart as you think, you could make a point without name calling.
The only retard here is the guy who bought the propaganda about free education and healthcare being "an investment."
Have you seen the illiterate, criminal fucktards schools are churning out these days?
Notice the total lack of regulation on immigration?
If you were half as intelligent as you think you are, you'd realize that the situation is not sustainable.
Lmfao at free healthcare in the land of McDonald's and shitty doctors who use WebMD while patients are in the exam room.
No such thing as free lunch.

My parents make a combined $60,000/yr. I make $175,000/year. If you view 4-6 years of education and effort into a STEM field as more "unreasonable" than a social upheaval and restructuring of the system, you are really underthinking how long things take to change. Socialism doesn't implement overnight, and the genocide and starvation kicks in well before that.

Found the angry faggot with the useless liberal arts degree. I'll have the double whammy burger and fries to go.

Show me stats about the detriment immigration has done. Official sources.

I'd like to see this too. Oh, and please post some stats about how bad it is to fund a public education system too.

“We are lending money we don’t have to kids who can’t pay it back to train them for jobs that no longer exist.” -Mike Rowe

>dodging question with ad hominems
>actual liberal logic

Those are public goods. Please learn the difference between them and socialism.

>For those reading, a public good is equally shared by all. As in everyone has equal access to it, realistically speaking. Socialism is the act of tacking something from one or more groups and giving it to one or more different groups.

>pic unrelated

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Go back to redddit you fucking faggot

>All people who disagree with me should leave my safe space.
Such snowflakes

>Industrialization didn't happen because a bunch of anti education people accidentally figured out metallurgy and combustible engines and stream power.

Yes it did most of that stuff was invented by nobodies without a formal education. In current society we have use for those educations, but thats not what got us here. Te first oilmen weren't educated, they were surveyors. The first oil pump was made by Edwin Drake, a man getting his hands dirty. Henry ford was a Machinist. Most surgeons were untrained barbers who weren't afraid of the gruesome. Sure there were capitalist, but most inventors and innovators were tradesmen impoving on existing ideas. I have no idea what the fuck GPS has to do with industrialization. Industrialization was done long before we started venturing into space.

That's because your country isn't full of Niggers and Spics and other Welfare Queens.
The point is that as more people leech the system, the taxes go up. The end goal of actual Socialism is for everyone to have the same standard of living, so the guy who saves lives in the ER gets paid the same as the retard by the front door of Walmart who can't dress himself.

The only way to make people equal is to cripple the people who aren't already born that way.

>ad hominems
what the fuck do you call your "theft" fallacy, Teahadist?

Actually it's the middle class. Most poor people are not political.

>as more rich people leech the system

Soo...he was behind that?

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here's some of their criminal shit you insist doesn't exist.
fbi.gov/video-repository/newss-crime-on-the-southwest-border/view

here's some illegals leaching off the education system. somehow, we "owe" these criminal pieces of shit free food, housing, healthcare, and education. foreclosures for citizens and freebies for criminal invaders.
nassp.org/policy-advocacy-center/nassp-position-statements/undocumented-students/

the fact you don't see a problem with ILLEGAL immigration shows what kind of people you support. i'm not the only one who notices it either.
have fun losing another election.

>"welfare queen meme"
>overt racism
>socialism = everyone makes the same salary

I think you won "idiot bingo" with that one post!

You are either stupid, lazy, or both. I didn't come from money and went to college on all loans for engineering . Worked hard , got a good job and now I'm oldfag with over a million in savings not counting the house I own. People like you just want everything handed to you and live to play the victim.

Because we take care of our poor and provide better social security, which, and I know how hard this is for you to understand... Causes people to participate more in the economy and work harder.. it's shocking how much people *want* to participate if they don't feel they're going to work their ass off for nothing and the slightest life set back will destroy everything they've fought for.

Funny how you faggots never have a dog and pony show like this detailing how you're going to go after the rich white people who hire non-white undocumented workers. You never do this, never go there.

You mean policies like Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security and free dialysis treatments and SNAP and EBT and local police, fire and EMS services? We'll all be broke when those get enacted!!!!

Wait... Those are all socialist policies that already exist and we've only grown as a nation because of them. I guess you're wrong.

The only idiot here is you. There's a difference between a socialist policy and Socialism as a system of government.
Like I said, actual Socialism is about making everyone the same by taking from anyone who has more.

>Those are all socialist policies that already exist
uh oh faggits is gonna be really mad now

You got lucky. I was born into poverty, and I currently make $150k a year as a lead human-computer interface engineer. No diploma, GED, or degrees. But I got lucky. I climbed the ladder, but in order to even get on that ladder in the first place... Someone had to say "come on and give it a try."

You worked hard, sure, but someone, somewhere, still took a risk and gambled on you succeeding. Success is 2 parts luck, 1 part hard work: It doesn't matter how hard you work unless you get that lucky break that lets you sit at the big kids table in the first place. If you can't see or understand that, you're either ignorant or arrogant or both.

Like seriously user I work in the skill trades. You know how many gangster ass hood niggers we pull from the projects and give them training in high paying high demand work? You know how fast they drop their guns and drugs and turn their lives around? Snap of a finger. People want to be a part of a system that rewards them.

That's Capitalism. You're investing in those people because you know they can and will in turn become productive.
Socialism is when you just give those people money and things with no expectation that they will do anything for society in return.

Exactly. Also assuming that factory workers are lazy asses, is being a totally ignorant plague to the world. Most people are hard workers and just don't get rewarded for it.

That's the point of social policies and the entire point of any of these threads or arguments... Universal healthcare, universal education, welfare, employment insurance, all of these things are investments to keep people productive and keep a high level of innovation and skill. That's the point of all of it.

It benefits both the government and the people.

I'll guarantee that the lights that are on belong to the socialist cabal. Socialism is for the masses, not the leaders. Just ask AOC's mom, after moving to FL to avoid NY's burdensome taxes.

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Holy fuck, you're delusional.

Oh and I think I should add that no one wants pure socialism. That's just what fox news is telling you they want so you scream and ree about it.

You seem to be misinformed

There is literally nothing stopping you from surrendering your vast wealth to the government to redistribute in the way they do- since you think they can do a better job than you in managing resources.

Whereas I would imagine you must be smarter than that though. I mean you self-identify as a successful. Your targeted contribution without the government middleman would go much further to support the goals of whatever private entity you give it to.

Why do you not see this obvious thing? Or are you one of the powertrippy types who dream of being king bigshit who somehow has all the answers? Like the idiot self-identified 'socialists'. They all say that 'their kind of socialism' hasn't been tried yet.

Smarter people, better country, happier people, more innovation. Progress.

The gubbamint has only debts and no means except theft.

If you care about the country its people should be self sufficient first so that they can help those who can't. You don't see the trees in the forest, user.

Taxes are socialism you dumb fuck.

The majority of humans are poor. Of course people are going to lean in that direction.

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No luck. I worked hard and worked smarter then my peers. I help others I work with and have gained their respect. I had a good friend who mentored me early on and really helped shape my career plan as well as investing. I put in as much effort in saving and investing money that I do in making it. It was work, not luck.

/thread
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...? :D

If you’re a poor republican, you’re literally a cuck for large corporations.

Oh look a retard

When we had an agrarian-based economy, the landowners became wealthy while serfs and slaves did all the work. After the industrial revolution, the stockholders became rich while laborers did all the work.

Under Socialism, the workers own the means of production- meaning the people who do the work reap the rewards.

Only an idiot would complain that keeping the profits yourself instead of giving them to some privileged poof that never got off the couch is a bad system.

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Lol lying shitbag

>It was work, not luck.

That's what they all say, but it's not true. It just a lie that helps you sleep at night.

False

False

Versions of medicare for all has been wildly successful around the world. So if success rate is your standard, surely you’d agree upon a socialist healthcare system?

On silk sheets

Enjoy enabling massive corporate welfare.

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Nope, its actually begun it's collapse. Places like England are now putting restrictions on procedures and what they'll treat. 3rd world migrants are about to bankrupt Germany and the Nordic countries health care systems.

Great comeback leftypol

>I have lived long enough to see Yea Forums and Yea Forums fade left.

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Quantum physics =/= politics

>combined 60k a year
Is that what the poverty line is? Then I was born well below it. Try single mom raising 3 kids off working at Papa John's. I literally cannot afford 4-6 years of education.

>Literally says poverty
>well I didn't come from money either and I got a million dollars
First, a million dollars is what...Maybe upper middle class? Second being born literally in poverty and "not coming from money" aren't the same thing. Sounds to me sounds like you started with a below average hand and made the best of it and are using that to justify looking down on people who's cards are just crudely drawn pictures and calling them lazy for not winning the pot.
I'm not playing the victim and not asking for everything to be handed to me I just want to be able to work on my own to improve my life without have to f against the upper class to do so. Pay 2 win sucks in games, but it's even worse in real life.

Holy shit you're a retarded marxist

Henry Ford loved Hitler and vice versa. Fun fact

Capitalist countries are rich snd successful tho

Do you know what a huge faggot you sound like screaming "FALSE?"

Yea he drank water too

Nice try. Citation needed. A closer look at the 'wild success' will reveal the dark secrets... and imminent collapse.
Rationing, death panels, and shitier care. Waiting lists, not receiving care, and substandard care are the biggest complaints... so where is this wild success?

>putting restrictions on procedures
>begun to collapse
Pick one
>bankrupt
No, they have a small increase in their deficits. Compare that to the insane amount of medical debt in the US.

Venezuala is prime example of this. Look how much they contribute to the global economy and scientific knowledge. China is number 1 in inventing and not stealing capitalist countries technology as well.

Projecting hard

>being this retarded

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Guess Americans shouldn't go and eat those double whammy burgers and fries every day. Most of out medical costs are associated with extremely fat and old people.

I guess I missed it.

So you don't mind that massive amount of waste associated with all of those programs? Government sucks at running anything. Why do you think they spend 20K on a toilet.

You’re implying that the idea of death panels in the US don’t exist. Why they fuck would you want a healthcare “package”? Or selecting a coverage package? That inherently implies that certain things aren’t covered. Insurance companies do everything they can to retain as much money as possible. Profits are their motivations.
Why not have one system that covers everybody, no questions asked?

>Countries with universal healthcare include Austria, Belarus, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.
Yes “wildly”

So all countries with a government that pays for things with taxes are socialist? Congrats you won then, trump is a socialist, building the wall is socialist, ice is socialist

So you are saying you support building the wall and ICE then?

>There is no such thing as a successful person who genuinely supports socialism. It’s only the poor that want it. Why is that?

That's bait, right? Zuckerberg wants Socialism. Apple wants it. Microsoft wants it. Twitter wants it. Mainstream media wants it. Ben & Jerry's want it.

Gone are the days of big business being staunchly Republican. The trouble seems to be that all the Liberal kids who were living the hippie life and protesting the Establishment in the 60s and 70s are now *IN* their own 60s and 70s, and many have become financially successful. But even though they are rich, they still oddly hold to very Leftist, anti-business political beliefs. They are joined by successful millennials who are also hard Left. There's a lost generation or two that came after the boomers. The young people who reveled in Conservatism in the 80s. The Alex P. Keaton's. They worshiped money, but haven't seemed to really make any.

You make a great point, user. If (the gubamint) is the single payor, they will need to shoulder all costs. They then own the right to make decisions. Like outlawing 20oz soft drinks. Like outlawing smoking. Like outlawing video games. Because if the overuse of soda, cigarettes, and hours in your moms basement playing vidya are deemed harmful and treatment is costly, they have that right.

Enjoy your new improved lifestyle, user.

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>t-theyre restricting things because it's doing well!
Pick both and nope, they've actually begun confiscating any valuables of 'migrants' to offset the losses.

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Big business wants crony capitalism. They want certain laws that will make it harder for start ups to compete with them. Big business does not want higher taxes.

Wow you're that same foreign shill retard that tries to make up memes on the spot as an argument

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Not looking down on anybody. Someone posted how it was impossible to go from one class to the next. I have seen people I grew up with go to the upper as well as the lower classes. You can look at each one and most of why they ended up where they did is based on good and bad life decisions. Most people I grew up with went to college on loans. You want to go to college, take out loans. If you take out loans to get a useless degree, that falls under bad decision. I know plenty if people who didn't go to college who are successful and some that aren't . Even no people who wound up in prison . Again, it's all about life choices and the consequences. But you just keep on thinking the man is keeping you down. Working to improve your life does not mean you have to fight the middle class.

I don't drink soda, smoke, or play video games.

bad ass

Because it will dislocate the free economy. There will be no protections, no recourse for bad care, no choice to go somewhere better. Where else will the richest around the world flock to get better care? (And why is it America now?)
Your mind will not change regardless any evidence I show anyway- so why no move to these places if their care is so great user?

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You picked one case where massive migration led to specific problems. This isn’t a usual circumstance. Quit pretending it some kind of standard litmus test.

FOUND THE NEW HITLER

Thank you for proving me correct. Lol shareblue is pathetic
Everywhere it happens you dope

Read my post

Hi, my name is Vladimir Putin. I am twice as wealthy as Jeff Bezos, the second richest man in the world. Not only do I support various forms of socialism but I enact many into law and practical usage myself. Being the wealthiest man in the world, I can attest to that and I can state the obvious fact that OP, as usual, is retarded and a glorious winged faggot.

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Those of you in this thread that are pro-socialist need to ask yourself if you really want the government getting bigger and having more power. I know alot of you want wealth distribution, but realize alot of the wealth will go to a growing and corrupting government

So yes you do

THE CARE DOESNT CHANGE. Hospitals still get their money. We’d simply be cutting out an expensive, unnecessary middle man.

If Putin is a socialist, then it's a good thing Trump admirers him. Right?

False

>found the sister fucker that probably drinks bud lite

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Ok

I can't imagine how low of an IQ you have to prove me right with each post, when you think you're doing otherwise.
So how long are shareblue contracts? Are you the dumb pajeet or the slav?

OH so you are one of those fools. I see now.

SO a child can understand:

When a good or service is subsidized, it becomes more expensive. In every case.

The manufacturer or provider raises the prices to cover the costs associated with maintaining a middleman. Where government is involved they put on price controls which ruin the quality and limits the availability.

You can't see the trees in the forrest user.

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Good one

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So we just leave prices insanely high and forget about the 12 percent of Americans who have no coverage? Seems legit

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Fucking cancer

No. We get rid of regulations that stifle competition. For instance, remove the restriction that would allow me to purchase cheaper insurance from a company that is located out of my state.

free stuff, duh
fuck I do pretty well, but if you give me the option to do OK and I can stay at home and play games all day...

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I know a lot of poor people who don't want socialism. I think it's the trust fund babies and people generally living off others/welfare.

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THIS ISNT POL

Yeah, college kids living off mom and dad anyway, why would they want that to change? Let the government take over and do it for them.

I forgot Bernie Sanders isn't a multi-millionaire. ..

What I care more about is security. I'm a hard working guy and am trying to do the right thing. So I'd like to know that if something happened to me beyond my control and regardless of my preparations that I wouldn't be left to die. E.g. If I get cancer, the insurance companies could just say "Oh, that sucks. I know that you've paid in all these years but we don't feel like paying for your expensive disease. Here's a list of ditches in your area that you can go die in."

The ideal health care system in my mind is all of the bills put into a pot and everyone pays in. Supposedly, this is what the insurance companies should be doing, but it's way more profitable to just keep the money and let people die.

>Being the wealthiest man in the world
LOL

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Government will do the same thing. Only worse.

thats total bullshit, look around you, the roof over your head, tech, infrastructure, all there because of capitalism. ungrateful fuck.

Warren Buffet

I am poor and im against it, its just unfair that the succesfull should support the worthless (and unnatural!)

I guess the caveat I have is that everyone gets treatments for whatever they have. Universal Health Care implies that.

90,000/y is minor succes, go back to your bridge

Ffs that's not what I'm saying at all. Not playing victim, not saying decision aren't part of it, not complaining "da man be keepin me down". It is literal objective fact that the less you start out with the harder you have to work and the less stable you are in time you find your way. It gets exponentially worse the lower you go to the point of near impossibility. Do me a favor and name literally any starving African child that has even an astronomical change of making it to upper class. People born in higher classes have safety net, they only lose what the risk and fuck around with, while those who have nothing and make something risk losing it all on things beyond their control. When I say "fight with the upper class" (weird just noticed phone erased almost all of fight and just left the f) I don't mean to say they are keeping me down, it's that I can't compete with them. They already own everything they need, have all the jobs they want, and can literally retire at any age and still live comfortably. It's rude and arrogant to assume that literally anybody can do literally anything as long as they try. Some people have limits, and some people have things holding them back.

Fuck, and to think this all started with me joking around about economic collapse (yes I fully understand that not only would that take quite a long time but there's very little chance I'd even personally survive 2 revolutions)
With that it's 2:30pm and I have slept since about this time yesterday so I won't be replying anymore hopefully this help you understand where I'm coming from. I've put a lot of work into my life and I plan on getting it as good as I possibly can, I just don't realistically expect to be able to reach upper class (maybe my kids if I have any?), hell probably Not even uppercase class. I'm not just some lazy bum expecting handouts.

Remember her?

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Maybe you could fucktardsplain what democratic socialism is other than saying "its different". Is the Green New Deal their manifesto because that is some seriously funny shit.

Just read the wikipedia now. Sounds like an edge case and these types of issues will come up regardless of the health care system. It doesn't invalidate what I said.

Ford was a Nazi lover, fuck him!

So you're saying altruism is tied to low net worth?

This is like saying morality is tied to religion.

I make the same in a month and im for free health care and free education but everything beyond that is just theft to me

It very much so invalidates it. Alfie Evans was barred from leaving the country to seek care elsewhere. Italy even granted citizenship to the toddler so he could be treated there. Bullshit. I have the freedom to choose how I and my family are treated medically. No fucking government is going to tell me how to seek treatment for my family.
And frankly, fuck your government control over healthcare.

Where do you live, I live in Calgary and still pay income tax that combines to like 40%. Which is to damn high in my opinion

If they got barred for seeking treatment elsewhere, that's pretty messed up, sure. But at least it was debated. In a private system, they would have simply claimed "too expensive" and metaphorically dumped the child out in the nearest garbage bin. And keep in mind this is an extreme edge-case too and not indicative of the way all government health care would go.

For the 99% cases, a not-for-profit government health care is best for everyone.

The Right can't meme. Your meme fucking sucks, OP.

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Actually quite the opposite is true. Socialism and communism are synonyms, with absolutely no nuance in meaning according to the philosophies of those who popularised them, Marx and Engels. In fact until Lenin invented his own definition of both the was no distinction and the two were used interchangeably.

The problem comes with equating social programs lead by the state with socialism. Unless the state is one of pure democracy, and so truly representative of the people, no state can be socialist. Socialism is (almost) inherently stateless by definition.

Based

>Henry Ford
Man I'm glad we're using current examples ITT

>100b a year
Around half a percent of our GDP? Seems like we could spend a little more to me

I make 90K too. It depends which policies. Soclaism is a buzzword at this point. I'm fine with the government handling roads and education. I just don't expect them to be well, but I think some things are easier/better off privatized. I don't like my tax dollars taken out though and think the government should have minimal involvement in stuff since they basically fuck up everything they touch.

I don't however think the below should be paid for by tax payer dollars, but I lean more libertarian/republican so keep that in mind:
>Healthcare
>Abortions
>Education that doesn't consist of k-12 public school
>Bailouts (I think they are anti capitalist)
>Housing
>Safety net programs
>Veterans benefits
>Interest on existing debt
>International Affairs

So your definition of success is hoarding sheckles?

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There is no measurable ROI on education. You would know that if you were education. Since it isn't a money maker. It will continue to get minimal funding. Keep repeating what you hear people bitch about on MSNBC though

that's what an american would think

Great quote. Mike is the man. And he is right. I'm encouraging my son to go into plumbing, construction, and the trades. In 20 years when these old timers are retired they will be able to dictate the market and make money hand over fist (if he doesn't go into a STEM field)

>Check guvara shirts
Are you still living in 2006 dude? You tryna catch 311 in the quad later? I'm down

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>When you realize the majority of scientists and engineers lean left
Bro I'm down for more engineers, those are the fools who are most likely to get us off of oil dependency

fuck other people. What is with this need to help other people? Am I fucked up/wired different? I hate people. They can all fuck off and die and their kids can too if they can't afford to feed themselves and figure out how to get a job with a roof over their head.

While you're bitching about AOC, Joe Cunningham is out there making a fool of you faggots

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>If you care about the country its people should be self sufficient first so that they can help those who can't.
And how do we get them to self sufficiency? What happens to the ones who can't you mentioned during this process? Either we care about helping those who cannot be self sufficient, or we don't. If we do, social policies are the only way to concretely do anything about it.

No, they are not.

>unreasonable time and effort
So you’re fucking lazy

>try harder faggot

not poor by any means but I support Bernie because he wants to take out dirty money from politics. Campaign finance reform should not be a left vs right thing it is a democracy vs corporotocracy thing. Also universal health care should be provided in the richest nation of all time

>For the 99% cases, a not-for-profit government health care is best for everyone.
So you're an idiot.

Yet we down 639 billion on the military each year and most of it does not go to training or gear for our troops. A lot goes to other countries as well we hold on to a active force that is wayyy to expensive when most are not deploying. You’re a fucking retard if you honestly believe we can’t afford healthcare and education funding. Big pharmaceutical and university rape the American citizen at the expense of us all. You’re a conservative because you hold on to this once lost paradise mind set. That we can get back to the way things were by deregulation. But rampant bankers and businessmen are the ones keeping you poor and holding back the free market. You understand so little about the way this country operates. The elite class is the reason why many go without basic human needs. When we talk about increasing taxes it’s not on your messily fucking 100k. We are talking about taxing the major corporations who are funneling money off shore or raking in billions out of a wild Wild West market like pharmaceuticals or agriculture.

I’ll just leave this here. White trash people in the boonies are some of the biggest mongrels on the planet. Let’s not even mention the VA system which has more than doubled what it’s paid out in the last 5 years even though major combat deployments for divisions has almost grinded to a haunt. Even most government jobs are run by white people. They are the biggest welfare queens shut the fuck up with this shit

Medicaid had more than 70 million beneficiaries in 2016, of whom 43 percent were white, 18 percent black, and 30 percent Hispanic. Of 43 million food stamp recipients that year, 36.2 percent were white, 25.6 percent black, 17.2 percent Hispanic and 15.5 percent unknown

The government already loans out the fucking money any way to lower middle class Johnny you fucking doint. And if there always some one willing to issue a loan schools can charge what ever they want. It shouldn’t cost 20000 a semester to learn fucking pottery or to learn engineering they need to be regulated

Enjoy your co-pay faggot.

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Elon Musks believes that UBI is something that is necessary.

Therefore your central point is refuted.

Therefore, just as everyone predicted prior to joining this thread, OP is a colossal faggot