Any antifascists here?

any antifascists here?

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no, but ur mom's pregnant with my baby now

i am sorry for you

Im anti fascist, but not some antifa faggot

kys commie

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well I'm against antifas, and since antis are basically fascists, I guess I'm an antifa, which makes zero sense. Curse my terrible banter, I'm drunk on redbull at 2am.

I know one.
The most hollow husk of a human being I've ever seen who thinks screaming louder will get him on the front page of the papers.

All communists deserve a painful death!

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I basically hate extremes, even though I consider myself an extreme centrist. Commies, Nazis, Fasch, Antifash, Anarchists...hate all of them. Add muslims, jews and fags to the list. I basically hate everyone. I'm a misanthrope.

rather be a commie than a rightwing-retard

antifa=fascists

BASH

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There certainly are user.
They're just on that island over there in fact. Want me to take you over there in my Helicopter?
I won't even charge you.

depends where in germany the antifa is different than the one in the states

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the so called "antifa" is a bunch of fascists

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>has to steal meme
Kek

They are pretty much the same these days

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Here, Comrade!!

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You are an uneducated moron.

FASH

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i agree with you

>be antifa
>hate fascism
>hate opposing opinions
>attack people with opposing opinions
religion of peace

Based Pinochetposter

>antifascist
>attacks peaceful protesters
kek

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the legalized salvary part is a bit much

other than that, solid bait

And they both equally retarded

Looks like somebody needs a helicopter ride

I'm anti-Russian. In that, I'm against these faggot Russian shills continually posting this cancerous bait to...I don't know, really. There has to be a reason Ivan is giving out kopeks for this cancer, but I can't see it. I know why the mods *cough cough FAGGOTS cough cough* don't do anything about it - Hiroshimoot is loving all those rouble-bought 4chins passes.

Imagine never growing out of the Antifa phase

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Had me for a sec but then again, China cranks up the charges for some of their prisoners because, if they get the death penalty, they get to harvest and sell their organs so slavery kinda pales in comparison.

Whataboutism

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I think most people who replied to this thread have a hard time making the difference between neo-nazis and antifas, and classical nazis. Modern neo-nazis and antifas are basically the same weak, virgin, crazed out Untermensch. They are subhuman scum who need a total control of society by the government to protect themselves. I place classic nazis above these scumbags, for at least they had a sense of loyalty, honour, and racial purity. Don't get me wrong, I still hate nazis at least as much as I hate commies. But I hate neo-nazis and antifas even more. Fuck the Left. Longue vie à l'empire Français.

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as always, Carl, only 25% correct. I'm 19, not 12.

K.... stay on topic though.

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TBH I hate antifa, but this meme is shit.

Imagine being retarded to the point where you fight something that has desapeard for 74 years

btw it's a drawing that i made

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i mean that has desapeard 74 years ago

Unironically am anti-fascist. It's a shame how far-right propaganda has caused so many people to misunderstand what antifa means

so basically, has it desapeard 74 years ago?

If you mean what I think you mean by this, it sounds like you're speaking of things you didn't even bother to look up... not a good look

Mdr gpalu
Mais bon je suis d'accord avec toi, perso j'ai 100x plus de respect pour les soldats Allemands qui sont morts pendant la 2eme guerre mondiale que pour les limaces qui se sont térées pendant l'occupation et qu'a la liberation sont sortis parader comme s'ils avaient gagne la guerre plus ils tondait les colabos putain de rats

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Yea

Do you honestly believe that shit? Yrah, you're free in a lefty utopia to persue your ambitions; as long as you're gay, black, pedo, furry, etc. Once the left gains power it will abandon minorities for stability, which none of those groups can even imagine. Take a look at Detroit for example, the blacks always vote left, and they got robbed by their elected officials. One of the biggest cities of the US now a hellish derelict of poverty.

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What does it mean? A bunch of betacucks who just want to ape out and smash shit while ideologically fighting fascism with fascism.

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You are the new Nazis

I'm an old-school anti-fascist -- like they were back in Europe in the 1930s. I'm also an anti-authoritarian.

I have no interest in the modern "antifa" movement, because they attempt to suppress other people's freedom of expression -- which, ironically, is exactly what fascists do.

To be a true ("old-school") anti-fascist, you must never try to silence other people, or suppress their views, or oppress them in any way.

Silencing/suppressing/oppressing people just causes them to become bitter and resentful, and resentment is one of the main things that fuels fascism in the first place. The modern "antifa" movement doesn't have the self-awareness or the wisdom to realize that.

Let’s settle this right now, describe fascism and why it’s bad (doesn’t work) and same for communism and democracy and why they are bad(don’t work)

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Fascism is reviled for its authoritarianism, communism is a scam that gains power authoritarianism through the false promise to release it, and democracy is just a veil where the slaves are satiated by the lie that their opinion matters while shadow authoritarianism operates.

lol, anyone who is against antifa is an anti-fascist

>extreme centrist
10,000,000 IQ

brother, the problem with fascism is that it works very well

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No see that’s what today’s governments have turned into u skipped a step, we have to list what these government types mean and hold our governments to the scrutiny of it to see if they are in fact what they say, or what u say(the right answer)

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>unironically saying this

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fuck you fascist.

>Making an anti-fash meme
>Draw a pepe litterally using nazi weapons
>actaully kys

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Wtf happened to Yea Forums?

antifas suck dick, if I ever see them I will be picking them off with my 30-30, headshots.

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antifa=communist=neo marxist=Jews

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>parts of China is like a third world country and the parts that aren’t are overpopulated cities full of cunts and poison
>The list of bullshit they do goes on for fucking miles
>but the US is bad because people die sometimes :(

I ran with ARA in the 80s and helped remove the boneheads from the parks with a pair of steeltoes.

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>19 not 13
(X)

I'm against facism but antifa is full of millennial cucks

Average Antifa

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Antiafa are the real fascists

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...

Noone likes fascist which is why noone should like or support antifa
Straight up fascist, they even use nazi youth tactics to intimidate anyone who doesn’t fall into line with their ideology.

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communism denies inheriting things from people who die (like when your parents die and leave you a house or a business) because you didn’t earn it

jews are the exact oposite, they accuired power and influence from generations of ammasing fortune and earning more off it

Nigga what are you doing at 45-55 years old posting on Yea Forums? Are you proud to be way outside of your age group, beating your dick to porn of people that could be your grandchildren? Fuckin pedo.

I've yet to see any argument against this. Antifa is a terrorist group with unspoken support from the media.

The commies already beat you when you think the government isn't downstream from the people. It's like Democrats whining about credentials. You want a beaurocrat to cuck you into the fucking grave. Grow some balls.

post some stories from back in the day

Reddit is that way ->

Son, you're in *my* house. We were here long before you idiot Stormfags and middle school edgelords took a big steamy shit on Yea Forums. I remember a time when I could refresh the front page and always find two or three good threads by skilled storytellers with a yarn to spin. I hardly come here any more, maybe once or twice a month, just to see what you mongoloids have done to this place.

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Yea Forums was never good, you fuckin geriatric pedo. Who are you foolin with your "i only cum here every so often" and faux oldfag shit? You're an old faggot, for sure, and you even being here at your age is a definitive sign of ineptitude.

Well, the group we were fighting were Hammerskins run by a psychopath named Wolf. He used to do Nazi-themed scarification all over himself with a lighter to show how "tough" he was, so he was always covered in burns and blisters. He had a hobby of going into shopping malls and drop-kicking anyone he thought looked gay or black from behind, then running before the cops or security could get there.

His group used to hang out in a big downtown park at night, where the gay men cruised. They would ambush men walking through the park and beat the shit out of them, then roll them for their wallets.

We knew which bar they hung out at, so we'd wait and watch for them to come out drunk, then follow them home until we could catch one alone and put the boots to him. We sent a lot of them to the ER, but no matter how many we dissuaded, they always found new morons to replace them.

Eventually they ended up murdering one of their victims by throwing him off a bridge. The last I heard, Wolf was doing hard time and is probably still inside. Wish I'd killed the fucker when I had the chance.

Sucked a bunch of dicks, then used the aids I got to kill nazis

Me bb

you are scum

what do you think about modern day antifa?

ShitThatNeverHappened.txt

>Literally over 50 years old
>posting on Yea Forums
>Probably jerking off to people old enough to be his grand kids.
>get a fucking life

The only people who use that "Yea Forums was never good" line are teenyboppers and Stormfags. What you mouth-breathing fucknozzles never understood is that we used to *pretend* to be what you morons actually are.

This was where supreme trolls came to hone their craft against other trolls. You shitposting pinheads take no pride in your work. We would spend weeks or months setting up a Usenet channel, working our way into their trust, and then setting loose pure chaos at just the right moment. We were always mindful of our duty as trolls to be entertaining, something you're too stupid to appreciate.

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>imagine stroking your dick this hard about being old, unrelatable, and a pedo.

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I have mixed feelings. When I was with ARA, our branch made you track down a bonehead and take him out one-on-one to prove you could handle yourself in a fight. That way we knew we could always trust the comrades we had at our backs in a donnybrook. Even the grrls -- ESPECIALLY the grrls -- were tough as nails. They might have been small, but in a fight they were all teeth and nails and dick-kicks and eye-gouges, like a rabid weasel in a sack; I know I wouldn't want to fight them.

But that limited our numbers. There were never enough of us to really hold the streets the way we wanted to. Modern antifa is bigger and has a larger tent, but I don't think they have the same focus on self-defence. I wouldn't want to go toe to toe with boneheads unless I could count on the people beside and behind me not to leave me open to a knife in the back.

This picture actually made me laugh. It's so stupid. This is just what I needed today, user. For that I thank you

rayk anders jaaa

I am antifa, I don't want violence but am willing to defend myself against violent actors if need be. I don't want communism or any totalitarian dictatorship, just don't like ANY racists, or people that believe in any type of totalitarian or oligarchical rule.

what did the russian do to you?

why did you quit?

If you're so against racism, why aren't you targeting racist black people or those racists on Twitter that are saying all white people should die? Are you a hypocrite or just a logically-impared and naive teenager?

kek

>>>Reddit

You’ll grow up one day

Why do people automatically assume Yea Forums bait threads are made by Russians?

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I've never witnessed Antifa attack "Black Hebrew Israelite's".

Cyкa Блять

I didn't. I still consider myself antifa. I've fought riot cops from coast to coast for decades, but I've been teargassed, peppergassed, pepperballed,peppersprayed, watercannoned, soundcannoned, beaten with truncheons and shields, bitten by dogs, rammed by cars, and trampled by horses. And while I got older and older, the people I was fighting stayed the same age.

The broken bones took longer to heal, and I have a police record the size of a telephone book. I started finding bugs in my apartment, I was followed by police, and cops around the country knew me on sight. Eventually I just got too old and too well-known to be on the front lines throwing punches, so now I train the next generation and help organize covert actions.

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You guys are a bunch of hypocritical faggots, and a laughing stock

>covert actions
like what?

I'm serious, do people assume Russia is the only Country that politically fucks around online?

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you should write a book about it or something. even if it's all not true you write well

Like things I don't discuss, or they wouldn't be covert. Security culture matters, comrade. You don't get to be a middle-aged anarchist by being careless.

like fairy tales.
this guy is larping so hard right now

Say that to the dodge charger you fucking pussy

Only retards

Jesus's Penis fucking Mohammed's filthy mouth. This is the worst bait I've ever seen.

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That wannabe hellcat killed innocents. No cop is innocent, kid.

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Reminder that antifa are just edgy liberals. There are no communists in 2018- tankies are just Nazis and ancoms are just liberals, based on how they approach and are handled by the system. Ancoms arw all bourgie Jewish and white kids who will grow up to be state functionaries. This is not disputable.

Anti fascist, so literally basically any normal human being?

Just don't be such a liberal faggot about it please.

Maybe not but I stand by my decision to say fuck the Russians , if I was rich I would make countless pages of Putin drawn artistically sucking cocks just to run it into his new van on freedom of speech

You know, not everyone around here is a bored and boring suburban teenybopper. I'm well enough known that editorials have been written about me, and there's a Wikipedia article about me, though the latter is not an especially high bar.

I've done everything from running for public office to hosting two different radio programs and at one point was offered my own television interview show on local television, though I declined. I'm also a professionally published author.

You say this like it's bad.

You go to school?

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That's cool and all, but not what I'm talking about.
I'm referring to the people that jump to blame Russia for political threads on Yea Forums.
It makes no logical sense to me.

FUCK BOTH SIDES!

YANG GANG
YANG GANG
YANG GANG
YANG GANG
YANG GANG
YANG GANG

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You say that like they aren't state functionaries already.

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And I'm Santa Clause.

Absolutely based.

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newsflash:
Antifa is a fascist movement.

based

Antifa is a liberal movement.

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there aren't "both sides"
they are quite literally the same.

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DEBATING POLITICS ON THE INTERNET IS RETARDED AND MEANINGLESS

YANG GANG BABY

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you know you did all that for nothing
what have you actually accomplished?

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no, it really isn't.
they call themselves anarchists, but dream of a communist utopia on the same time, and there can't be a socialist / communist system without strong authoritarian structures.
A Strong Party, a strong dictator, a strong "worker council", it all is the same: authoritarian control of the masses, which makes them fascist in nature, especially since they pursue this goal with violence.

Fuck commies and magafags, yang gang all day baby

#Yang2020

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So the discord trannies spam on Yea Forums too?

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Don't believe me?
Well, who created fascism?

>you can't say shit if I think it's racist!
>let's destroy this local business cuz we hate Trump!
>Shut down anyone who thinks differently than me!
"liberal" movement. Do you even know the definition of that word?

Why are you on Yea Forums again?

just tell us who you are man

no body wants your life story faggot

Lucifer

JOAEYSUS

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting the results to change. Get a hobby.

I'm not a discord tranny, discord trannies are usually commies and antifa.

I just support my man Yang.

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Wrong answer.
It was Mussolini.
What was Mussolinis political alignment in his youth?

Sentry post at the glory hole.

Antifa are not revolutionaries, they are an irregular army of the state. Fascists (and indeed communists and anarchists, inasmuch as they still exist) seek to overthrow the existing order. Antifa enforces the liberal state's dictates. This is without delving into any question of actual ideology because I know better than to talk ideology with American conservatives.
Sorel and Maurras

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if you say so

OBAMAISM

I don't think antifa should "attack" anyone. The black hebrew israelites are retarded all just the same. If they drew up arms and wanted to create a fascist ethnostate. I would be their to protest them and when I speak to them I do so in the same way I speak to any racist, they are no different in my eyes, equal in ignorance.

see
Sorrel created Sorelianism, which is a precoursor to fascism, but the starting point of actual fascism.

>stay on topic
This is Yea Forums you retard
Pic related is what I use on people who LARP to Oskar Schindler like yourself

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Isnt it hilarious that the MILITANT left are the only ones who dont think they inadvertantly shared MILITANT characteristics with the MILITANT right? Normal people (Not to be confused with the "stereotypical average" 1st world country citizen), see anti fascists to be as much of an issue as fascists.

Mussolini was a socialist before he founded the PNF, yes, we're aware. Fascism is in fact a kind of socialism.
However, there are many, many kinds of socialism. Basically every ideological development since the early 1820s has been of some kind of socialism. That Mussolini and the 20th century fascists were a kind of socialist does not mean that they share anything at all with modern liberals roleplaying as anarcho-communists.

user pls this is an anonymous forum you can be honest

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YAAAANG GAAAAANG

Wrong a gain.
He was member of the italy socialist party. Advocating for the emanzipation of the working class, pacifism, even early forms of environmentalism.
When and how did this change?

yang gang yang gang yang gand 1000 bucks a month just to buy thangs

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I will just leave this here.

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GANG

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>That Mussolini and the 20th century fascists were a kind of socialist does not mean that they share anything at all with modern liberals roleplaying as anarcho-communists.
Despite strong in/outgroup thinking, violent pursue of their ideology, and frequent demonization of their opposition, regardless how rational it is?
Yea. Totally not like the brownshirt militia / sarcasm

What are you blithering on about?

Putin is by all means not a democratic rolemodel, and just another representation of authoritarianism, but at least he's not a devout cocksucker for multiculturalism, so he deserve at least "some" merit.
Still wouldn't like to live in russia, tho.

It didn't, as I recall. Particularly the pro-worker aspect, since Italy was the first state to implement the eight-hour workday, among other reforms.
Those are superficial features characteristic of most forms of radical politics. Radicals know that politics is the realm of emotion and ideological (or physical if it comes to that) combat, not of epic lib-destroying facts and logic, and act accordingly. Thus the old adage: "The right thinks the left is wrong, but the left thinks the right is evil."

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Nah, not into pic related

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He is a noble countryman. He is not weak. The US has become weak in the eyes of the world. The left wing has no idea the impact of this. This is the problem, eyes wide shut.

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Here is another base bomb for you Antifa members.

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Pretty sure they lurk
But id imagine Yea Forums isn't their cup of tea. Yea Forums pretty much helped meme Empower Trump into office

>It didn't, as I recall.
Correct. The Italy socialist Party didn't change. But Musolini did.
After having fled 3 times to switzerland, and 3 times being deported, he finally got drafted by the Italian Military to serve his duty, in which he learned that war is actually pretty fucking useful in destabilizing a country, potentially allowing its worker class to seize control.
Once discharged from the army, he returned to the Italy socialist party and started to advocate for war, instead of against it. Ofc he got the boot soon after, which led him into a personal crisis, where he pondered his ideas further for some years, until he finally understood that just war isn't enough. It takes a common identity to form group solidarity and cohesion, so he incorporated nationalism in his agenda, and called it fascism.
His ideas found many followers and swept through europe, eventually reaching a post WWI germany, currently struggeling with post war crisis, where it took the form of the NSDAP.
National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei.
National Socialist German Worker Party.
Marxist in Nature, Socialist in its Agenda, and Nationalist in its Practices.

The Only thing separating AntiFa from the NSDAP is their lack of a nationalist component, since even anti-semitism, in form of strong hatred against the financial elite is groomed and held by their hardline-influencers, such as the Amadeus Antonio Fund and its Backbone Organisation the Marxist Forum of Germany.

Antifa-Drones are really nothing else but cannon fodder for the marxists behind their lines, and they are too retarded to realize that they are a nearly perfect mirror image of their sworn enemy.

Everyone should be antifascist. Fascism is a poor political position.

i see a lot of financial statistics but no human statistics, which makes sense, the fascists always put capital above humanity

actually aristotle is dead and im alive

owned bitch

Why wouldn't you?

>the fascists always put capital above humanity
false, you conflate fascists with capitalists.
Hitler changed the german economy to be partly centralized, and strongly supported the worker class, as you'd expect from a socialist movement like fascism.

No left wing cuck squad around here. If they are, they just post nigger's dick and be racist.

>weak in the eyes of the world
>military bases in every country except 2
Who gives a shit what the world thinks. Fucking globalists.

Aristotle didn't say that. Also apathy is not a virtue. But even if we were talking about a virtue here, it would make not logical sense to draw the conclusion to "society dies when those are the only virtues left".

Apathy has always been a part of human society, tolerance wasn't. Is tolerance the last virtue of a dying society? I highly fucking doubt it, any reasoning leads you to believe that, or do you only extract your opinions from motivational images with names of philosopher you've probably never read before and big red words?

Try harder please.

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What an astute and profound statement. No one slips one past you.

Someone explox what antif is doing.

I am hard. So hard that I'm out of skin.

it's cruel and inhumane. as Abraham Lincoln said "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."

>partly centralized
he still kept private ownership of capital, which isn't socialist
>supported the working class
if by supported the working class you mean put trade unionists and other undesirables in gulags and effectively enslaved them
>socialist movement like fascism
demonstrably false.

communism killed 100,000,000,000 people, why should i be afraid of a capitalist who has never killed a single person?

Almost everything you said is wrong. Jesus Christ.
>Marxist in Nature, Socialist in its Agenda, and Nationalist in its Practices.
Sorel voided proto-fascism of Marxism's defining characteristics, such as the belief in the labor theory of value and the materialist conception of history, because those things were made manifestly incorrect by the progression of capitalism between Marx's and Sorel's times. Sorel made the Marxist revolution a social myth while denying its economic reality. Fascist socialism is more syndicalist in character than Marxist.
>Antifa-Drones are really nothing else but cannon fodder for the marxists behind their lines
Antifa serves capital, not some shadowy Marxist cabal. Antifas grow up to be liberal bureaucrats.

I am actually a fascist. I belong to a fascist group and have studied the ideology and its history, and I can tell you categorically that there is a wide gulf between anarcho-communism and woke capitalism on one hand and fascism on the other.

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That's only the reported deaths too, and we have reasons to believe capitalism might bring people back to life, which even a netter positive.

>he still kept private ownership of capital, which isn't socialist
so did the soviets and the GDR, which aren't socialist either as I'm sure you'll pretend next.

>if by supported the working class you mean put trade unionists and other undesirables in gulags
That was stalin. In germany only political disidents ended up in concentration camps (and jews / gays ofc)
>demonstrably false.
see

actually no, it was the nazis who did all that

published eh? would you care to share some of your literature?

>Marxist in Nature
> Nationalist in its Practices.
Are you this famous monkey who after a thousand years might just by accident type Shakespeare's plays?

Please just don't. If you try to tell him that orthodox Marxism is internationalist by definition he'll just keep going with the grug-brained interpretation of fascism as "Marxism but nationalistic."

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i'm a nazi who will never ever EVER read about the night of the long knives, and I believe the nazis were socialist

>I'm actually a fascist

I expect a jehovah's witness to be equally informed about his sect than I'm expecting a fascist to be informed about fascism.
In fact I just met one yesterday. Astounding how similar the argumentative patterns are.
Keep believing whatever you want.

Sincerely, an ex-fascist.

It's not the far-right that exposed antifa for being yet a different form of douchebag fascist, they did it to themselves. Posting from PDX.

Nazis and socialists, both.
Do you think the 100 million death-toll of socialism comes from nowhere!?

Night of the Long Knives was less about socialism and more about a power struggle between the SA and the German officer class but it is true that the purge caused National Socialism to take a right-wing turn.
>I expect a jehovah's witness to be equally informed about his sect than I'm expecting a fascist to be informed about fascism.
Was this coherent in your head?

I petty you.
You'll understand once your balls drop.

>Was this coherent in your head?
My first language isn't english, so it actually was.
Was that just a grammar-nazi moment, or did you really not understand what I said?
I can try to reformulate it, if there is an actual need to do so.

>i petty you

im not the guy youre replying to but LMAO

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All you fucking commie pieces of shit need to die! KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

was it pity!?
It was pity, wasn't it?

Yeah I actually didn't understand it. I didn't know whether to interpret it as you saying I'm properly catechized and know my own ideology well, or that I'm ignorant and don't actually understand it.

the later. Kinda.
not ignorant, simply not in the position to fully understand its actual structure.
Eh.
Comes off false, too.

Lets try this. How can a rational being, with full knowledge of this ideology and its implications, subscribe himself to this ideology?

>How can a rational being, with full knowledge of this ideology and its implications, subscribe himself to this ideology?
I consider it to be an optimal way to organize a society.

Obviously you do.
And since you've spend much time on considering its nature, you are able to list its flaws, too.
Please do so.

this is the face of a person who cares about our collective future

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im not the guy you're responding to, but i recall a quote from the American Civil War by Oliver Wendell Holmes

"Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force."

A thing I don't like about it is its tendency to be preoccupied with form rather than content. You can see this in the Falange's role after the Spanish Civil War. The cedistas, the conservatives, ran the state, while the Falangists ran the propaganda machine. The mythical character of fascism is useful and enjoyable, but I do want policy as well.

yay commie shill thread
how much are you being paid an hour to lurk?

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communists dont believe in money ;^)

together we are stronger

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kek

Philip Haskins Delici

Isabel Rosa Araujo

this is the face of a person who gave up individuality for labels that don't care about him.

This

id love to go on vacation to venezuela. paradise on earth. who is with me?

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I hope the government airstrikes your dog.

FUCK ANTIFA

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I walked through a 'protest' filled with antifa types crying about milo.

Doesnt matter if you like milo or not, I learned nothing except that they were itching for physical violence. I overheard conversations from soyboy airheads planning to spark conflict.

loud annoying dirty creatures that rely on government funds to scrape by in their shared housing dumps or parents basement.

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quads nice

based

>'protest'

why the scare quotes?

If by anti-fascist you mean someone who is against fascism, that's me. If you mean a far left antifa cuck, then that's NOT me.

its open to interpretation i guess.

some people might call it a protest
others might call it an autistic themed tantrum.

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>autistic themed tantrum
verywellhealth.com/what-is-an-autistic-meltdown-260154

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