I find that I have an unusual admiration for Hitler and the Nazis.
It’s not their ideology. I’m not an anti-Semite or a racist.
I just can’t help but admire the sharp uniforms, the flags and symbols, the efficiency, etc.
I’ve have Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers who have fought in both world wars. They killed many Nazis, and I’m very proud of them for that. I’m in the Military myself, so I somewhat understand the sacrifice that they made.
My veteran great-Grandfather hated Germans so much that he bottled a German guest at my Aunt’s wedding in the 70’s. I’m ashamed to think what he would have thought of me for saying this.
Does anyone else admire Hitler and the society that he created? Do you feel guilty about it?
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Each player has a giant sailing ship as their main game piece. Each ship has a removable sail, two trigger-action side panels, and a huge spring-driven cannon. Players take turns moving forward along a prescribed track and shooting bean bags at their opponent's ship. A hit on one of the side panels will force it to pop off and give the player a free shot at the other side; a hit forcing the sail off becalms the ship for a turn.
To add to the pirate flavor, each player also has an eye patch. Wearing these will slightly affect depth perception and add a marginal bit of sport to the shooting.
This game retailed for the somewhat impressive sum of $16 back in 1962. With its huge plastic ships (close to a foot long), giant vinyl play mat, and the eye patches, it may well stand as one of the more overproduced games of the early 1960s.
Daniel Bennett
The only thing that I don’t admire are the penis helmets that soldiers wore. Everything else was so fucking badass!
This isn’t unusual. Hitler admired the west greatly and what it had achieved, and generally Nazis liked the principles of the French Revolution.
The National socialists also thought of their system as a more honest version of Western Democracy.
So your admiration is one of a man who admired the society you grew up in, and the values it holds, and strives to make a better version of it without the dishonesty and political corruption.
Our political system in Canada is rife with corruption. Canada could only benefit from a strong, selfless statesman like Adolf Hitler. Instead, we are stuck with that greasy cuck Justin Trudeau.
I want to know the greatness. Please explain it to me.
Christian Mitchell
That is why Nazism is so attacked and considered evil.
The communists did 10 times worse than the Nazis regarding rape and genocide, yet they’re the “good guys” still.
Hitler is seen as so evil by the Allies and the West because he sought to improve upon the west’s system. Acknowledging this would be the West’s self-acknowledgement of its own corruption and tendencies toward fascism.
Liam Richardson
Guess which nation blew Napoleon the fuck out of Europe in the Coalition wars? Prussia
Nicholas Howard
Fact. I admire the Prussians as well.
Caleb Thompson
With the shitholes and liberals of the world today, I think the Nazi takeover could have prevented some of this bullshit from happening.
They just adopt the symbol and the label to cause controversy.
Ethan James
Fear created nazism. Boredom created communism.
Jeremiah Lewis
Anyone who is not in denial reapects and admires the asthetic of the Nazi party and Nazi Germany. But people struggle to not equate the look with the belief system and the acts committed by them. It's a shame though, because instead of well dressed adults, we now have faggots who look and dress like chidlren left alone for too long with no supervision.
Brandon Jenkins
>admire the sharp uniforms Well, Hugo Boss was a nazi and designed many of the uniforms. He narrowly avoided being fucked over badly in Nuremburg.
> Flags and symbols These were deliberately picked and designed for propaganda purposes. Basically, the Nazis approached political propaganda the way we approach marketing today. It was incredibly efficient and effective. > efficiency Eh. The appearance of efficiency isn't efficiency. They had lots of corruption and lots of inefficiencies structurally, the military governance was a mess (especially later in the war), etc. Economically they were using a lot of tricks to hide inefficiencies and problems.
You just have an aesthetic appreciation for something designed to be aesthetically pleasing. Not really surprising, nor anything to be ashamed of.
The appreciation of their aesthetic ia pretty common, people just don't bring it up because most can't seperate the aesthetics of the Nazis from the acts and beliefs. Shame though, we lost out on a lot because of that.
Jason Young
The Marine’s uniforms are fucking sharp as well. Just because I admire what the Nazis wore, doesn’t mean that all other uniforms are lame be default.
Cooper Martin
Admiring the nazis is very usual, almost everyone goes through that middle school phase when youre reading and searching everything there is to nazis, then from there you just have this obsession with ww2,nazi,hitler documentaries. An obsession that never goes away, EVERYONE DOES THIS.
Adrian Gonzalez
OP, you believe the Nazis aesthetics are top notch but you haven't been exposed to anything else because you are an Anglofag conditioned to support Israel.
Try googling "military parades" and "most beautiful congress halls."
Benjamin Price
I’m not sure, to be honest.
Jace Foster
same and I'm not even white Hitler had some good aesthetics
John Kelly
I feel the same kinda way, something alluring about the aesthetic of it all. No, I don't think there's anything to feel guilty over, and my grandpa fought in WWII too.
Leo Sullivan
the best uniform of all branches of the U.S military
Thomas Harris
I am an Anglo fag. I am on the Canadian Military. We have some pretty sharp uniforms, and I’ve seen several other country’s uniforms. I’ve been exposed to a lot.
As far as architecture goes, we have some fine government buildings in Canada. I have also always admired The Kremlin.
I’m also a staunch supporter of Israel. I’m not Jewish, but I considered joining the Israeli Army so I could kill Arabs.
Samuel Clark
Same in a lot of ways. He definitely had style. What he accomplished politically was amazing. And he did some good things for Germany as a matter of social policy. Speaking completely unironically, if he hadn’t been a mass murdering racist and a treacherous warmonger I think he would have been great and a model leader.
Nathan Wright
i never did that and im fairly normal
Camden Price
Meanwhile, it was communism that was paranoid and literally created a fucking oppression police state against EVERYONE, whilst the Nazis still held elections under the Regime and generally tried to keep the people happy.
I’m this guy. . History major and big history buff, especially of WW2.
There’s a lot to admire about Hitler but he was very corrupt. In that way he was analogous to Trump. He cared more about the regular man than most politicians so he wasn’t corrupt in the special interests sense, but he was all about appointing incompetent friends to positions of power and enrichment. He also wasn’t good at reining in lower level corruption. Corruption was a huge problem in almost all parts of the Reich.
The communists were in many ways worse, and definitely worse about rape. I wouldn’t say they were worse on genocide. They killed more people, but it was largely political and economic rather than genocide.
Looks so based and comfy. Do remember though that these were curated propaganda pictures. Germany weathered the depression and had a better social policy than the west for a while, but there also were problems. You can read about daily life in the Reich. It wasn’t all rosy, even for ethnic aryans.
Good post.
Pretty good post too.
It’s not. I’m a us army vet and our uniforms suck. The change to greens and elimination of whites is downright embarrassing. The marines are the only ones who can compete. See Nazi architecture was one of the weakest things about Nazi aesthetics. So unimaginative and also unmoored from classics. Too bad. There are some other great uniforms, the ones I like best personally are ones that celebrate a proud national character, like Sikh units in India.
Based patriotic Canadian. Your country needs more like you. There are lots of armies you can join to kill Arabs. Can non-Jewish foreigners even join the Israeli army?
Jack Bailey
I totally understand you, user. I admire the Nazis, their organization, military system, aesthetic and uniforms! Absolutely a beauty to witness. Many people just don’t understand the greatness of empires and military might. Its truly a pity. Dare I say that I admire then in public, because I’d be burmt alive at a stake. > do you feel guilty about it? Nah, not one bit. I admire what I admire. Be it “socially acceptable” or not. Am I open about it in public? No, not really, only with my close friends.
I do agree to a certain degree the whole ideology of the superman, and that some races MIGHT be better and prettier than others, not because I am racist, i simply base myself on statistics and personal opinion of beauty.
>user wanted to join the Israeli Army and is a staunch supporter of Israel >patriotic Canadian Post your nose, Chaim.
Cameron Gonzalez
I don't blame you, Berlin in the 1930s was a lot more clean and orderly than Paris, America and Berlin today
Ethan Young
IKR ?? Like they look cool as FUCK why do all the bad guys have to look so damn badass??
Luis Myers
Order is bad, I want my rampant degeneracy.
Tyler Brown
Bro he said he’s in the Canadian army and is proud of Canadian buildings. Meanwhile the rest of Canada is trying to legalize Somali gay baby rape or whatever. The one thing you pick up on is that he likes Israel. Not everything is about fucking Jews.
Jaxson Murphy
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Grayson Hill
>bad guys
What kind of retarded definition of patriotism do you have where it is compatible with the desire to fight for another nation's military?
Carter Hughes
Not really, decent uniforms but they don't hold water against the German dress.
Evan Jackson
Like a fairy tale. Same. Wouldn't be against a fascist or national socialist movement. Skins and neonazis are retarded and nothing but a uneducated fan club.
The Nazis took foreign volunteers from non-enemy countries like Finland who supported the Nazi cause and philosophy. Would you say they were unpatriotic to their home countries?
I mean if you start from a tin foil hat assumption that Israel is aiming to subvert and destroy Canada fine. But IMO you can love your country and go spend some time working for another country that you also like if it’s interests aren’t against your country’s.
They also had volunteers from occupied territories. Ukraine, Hungary, Netherlands, France (Vichy and occupied), Russia. They also saw foreign volunteers from the US and England but lower numbers
>tin foil hat assumption that Israel is aiming to subvert and destroy Canada >tin foil hat assumption that Israel is aiming to subvert and destroy >assumption that Israel is aiming to subvert and destroy >Israel is aiming to subvert and destroy I fixed that for you in 3 easy steps!
Yes all this is true. But I’d say that the foreign volunteers from occupied and enemy countries were not patriotic to their home countries. I.e., Americans who joined the Nazi army (post 1942 at least) were traitors vis a vis the USA.
The issue the other user raised was whether OP could be a patriotic Canadian even though he considered joining the Israeli army.
Oh I see. Yeah I'd say you could. French volunteers, Russians, etc. Served while still wanting the best for their countries. A lot of these people were scared of communism and it was a reasonable thought. They wanted to serve to protect their country and other to support a fascist ideology that they wanted in their country as well. Numerous units had badges and patches signifying their country.
It’s a fair point I think reasonable minds could differ on. Especially if you see your homeland as annexed as Czechs and Poles might. Personally, I see no way to call a Frenchman’s serving in the Nazi army an act of patriotism to France. Though it also gets into the question of whether revolutionaries are “patriotic.”
Justin Rivera
>Our political system in Canada is rife with corruption like what?
Jayden Brown
I know the French forces who fought in the Waffen SS were originally the Legion of French Volunteers Against Bolshevism. I think they wanted what they thought was best for France. I think it also comes down to wanting to fight for France and Europe against Bolshevism which worried a lot of countries in mainland Europe. Definitely a complex and interesting discussion though I think.
>mfw I had this convo with a German girl I met off this website.
Nazis went for the aesthetics. Hitler explains how even with the swatsika he positioned it deliberately off centre on the flag for aesthetic reasoning.
and you think that a Hitler-like figure would do a better job at keeping the strict separation between the prime minister's office and the attorney general's office?
because if that's the kind of corruption that you consider bad, then you might not like living under a dictator
Wyatt Thompson
Not the original user was just mentioning about the recent PM scandal which seems to be in the news.
>I just can’t help but admire the sharp uniforms, the flags and symbols, the efficiency, etc
M8, they may have had snappy uniforms and an awesome branding strategy, but this efficiency you speak of is a lazy stereotype.
The Nazis had possibly the stupidest set up for a sustainable state bureaucracy ever - entire institutions overlapped in idiotic ways (e.g. the education system never changed from the 'lande' administrative divisions, whereas other basic state functions changed to the 'gau' system. Total confusion), Hitler pitted entire departments against each other to consolidate his power at the expense of the efficiency of functional state frameworks (this lead to Goerring driving his subordinates so hard they failed to deliver realistic targets and just killed themselves) and, if it wasn't for WW2, Germans would have quickly grown tired of what an absolute clusterfuck basic German state operations would become.
Hitler created a society aimed solely at preserving his power at the expense of any sustainable efficiency whatsoever. If he hadn't have started WW2 the entire thing would have either blow up half way through the 40s or he would have faced an eventual power struggle with the SS because he pretty much let Himmler turn it into a state within a state.
But he knew he was gonna fuck shit up anyway, so he did it for his own short term power.
One thing to add to . A big part of Hitler’s problem is that his ideas and methods were so far on the fringe that he had a hard time attracting talent. In most elections, new leaders are able to use intellectuals who know what they’re talking about and people who served in prior administrations. But in Germany those people generally shunned Hitler. He was largely working from scratch and made many of the same kinds of mistakes you or I would make. And of course it didn’t help that Hitler was very vulnerable to sycophants.
Exactly. Himmler was a tremendous organiser, but look what happened when he was forced to put him in charge of Army Group Vistula - total and absolute failure.
He attracted ruthlessness and drive in people by removing normal moral considerations from decision making, which works fantastically in extreme situations (war, depressions, social upheaval etc) but quickly grows old when you're just trying to run a country effectively in peacetime. We didn't get to see the logical outcome of his experiment because he was determined to plunge the world into a kill-or-be-killed fight to the death.
Nathan Reyes
Man this is freaking me out. Ive just been watching a lot of ww2 docs and i feel exactly the same. The architecture, their narrative its all just really impressive. I dont identify with any of the evil they did, but lately ive just been interested in that side of the war and how hitler rose from a peasant to a god like dictator.
Benjamin Lopez
Oh, and I'm overlooking the most obvious thing:
Hitler was a lazy fucking cunt! He rarely got out of bed before Midday and honestly couldn't have given one solitary fuck about the basic running of a state. He only cared about the military and, to an extent, foreign policy. If anyone brought him any briefs on 'boring' shit like water supplies, infrastructure reports, building regulations etc etc he'd take one glance and palm it off to someone, anyone, but him.
Everything except guns and foreign diplomacy was on his 'do not give a shit' list.
Oliver Morales
>'boring' shit like water supplies, infrastructure reports, building regulations etc etc he'd take one glance and palm it off to someone, anyone, but him. based alpha
Logan White
These are Latvians from wwII when thei were fighting against the soviet army, they are the best because of them Latvia is a free cauntry without those shitheads russians
Daniel Gonzalez
You've hit the nail on the head as how to a large chunk of German society, from academics to doctors to philosophers, were so effectively seduced by a man who had such an extreme and brutal ideology. This idea that only the poor, dumb, uneducated plebs supported him out of desperation and idiocy is a stereotype. Some of the Nazis most vehement supporters came from medicine and academia. Ironically, most of their opposition came from the working class and uneducated peoples.
Nazism is seductive. That's one of the reasons it was so undeniably evil.
William Sanchez
(checked) hitler wasn't tall enough to qualify as alpha
he was, at best, a based manlet. which is an oxymoron
Isaac Edwards
I’m not even sure how well his system worked for war. I think Hitler’s biggest strength was that with an absolute and ruthless consolidation of power he could implement policies that would have stalled in a democracy. His total amorality was also something the other powers could not adapt to. Britain and America just couldn’t believe that he would lie to their faces over and over. He got a lot of mileage out of psychological manipulation, western passivity, high variance tactics.
You sound like you’ve thought about this a lot. What do you think of the Jordan Peterson type theories that Hitler was out to create mayhem and chaos? Personally I don’t buy it.
Landon Lewis
I 100% agree with you, i actually listened to a couple of his speaches just out of curiosity and he definitely could make people follow him.
I guess that the "good" thing usually is less attractive though, their idea of a perfect society was absurd but still awe inspiring
Ethan Thompson
>he was, at best, a based manlet. which is an oxymoron i lold its so fucking lame that any ideas he represented are now whitewashed with Hitlers connotations its not as if he actually made anything himself they existed before him, right? he was a super beta cuck because he lost like a bitch his loss armed generations of degenerates with political tools
Ethan Stewart
nah you're fine you can say whatever you want about nazis or their ideology, but even the most rabidly braindead SJW leftwing cucked-by-feminazi's moron has to admit that they dressed well
Isaiah Jackson
Didn’t know that. Source?
Yes and no. First of all, said he was fascinated, not that he agreed with the Nazis. Second, Weimar politics were very complex. Hitler got some middle class and professional support, but his base was very non (even anti) intellectual, just not religious. Also he never really got more than a third of the vote in a fair and square election.
Charles Gonzalez
This
Not to mention a meth addicted senile geriatric by the time the war ended.
Lincoln Harris
>efficiency
Hah!
Benjamin Carter
I don't buy that - Hitler had some strange beliefs but nihilism, a Joker kind of 'I don't have a plan' recklessness doesn't, in my opinion, mesh with his true goals.
What I think is more accurate is that Hitler was a total gambler, an all-or-nothing kind of operator, who would rather die than compromise. His fundamental beliefs were based on a strange distortion of Darwin's theories mixed with a made-up racial hierarchy of eternal struggle. In Hitler's view, if the 'pure' German's weren't up to dominating (at the very least) the 'subhuman' Slavs in the East then there really was no point in maintaining a functional German state. There was no point in simply existing - the world was an eternal racial struggle and if the Germans can't compete then it's their destiny to die.
Hitler was out to create chaos in the same way a gambler with a small stack left has nothing to lose by going all in - they either win big and continue to dominate, or lose everything and fade away. But it was never their aim to simply fuck with everyone at the table for the sake of it.
With Hitler, there was no middle ground for anything.
Asher Garcia
Prussians were better
Asher Parker
Have a read of any contemporary reports of Hitler's working style. From his personal doctor, his aides, his childhood friend (August Kubizek).
There's plenty of sources out there attesting to his laziness - typically, when he was either at the Burghof or the Eagle's Nest, he would force his guest to watch movies until about midnight, then launch into boring, repetitive monologues until around 3/4am, then bugger off to bed and sleep till Midday.
Luke Myers
Hitler's society was one based off division of race. Because race wasn't based on any empirical evidence, one could call any action "Jewry". Dictators, throughout history, have a power to propel a society forward in terms of aesthetics and technology. A bunch of people banding around a single person is always helpful for any cause.
However, I don't like dividing society into such a simple and unscientific categorizations. Hitler divided society based on race. Stalin divided society based on class.
To divide a society based on a single ideology/philosophical concept is insanely dangerous. You run into millions of issues where you have a square peg and a round hole. You try to make it fit your worldview, but it's sloppy and ultimately you're only deceiving yourself.
Ayden Brooks
Good points - I agree, his base definitely wasn't the elite kind of intelligentsia we see with a lot of political movements.
However, it is true that some of the most 'nazified' professions in Germany were from typically upper-class, educated backgrounds. The medical professional, largely, embraced his eugenics policies and helped him enact them in brutal ways. One of the least nazified institutions in Germany was the Kriegsmarine - strangely anti-Nazi.
Kevin Baker
I like your analysis. Yeah I agree. He was very extreme and very much a “nothing to lose” kind of guy.
Such a shame he used a lot of that for evil. I’m not normally sentimental but the idea of murdering 6 million men, women, kids, most of them peasants... that keeps me up at night. And that’s just Jews. Did the same to cripples, gypsies, etc. I can’t even imagine it. Just gassing kids for being retarded? For being Jewish? Christ.
Adam Wright
Excellent points.
Solzhenitsyn basically described Stalin as an un-ideological gangster who co-opted Marxist theory solely for his own power. Such an easy way to divide and conquer.
Hunter Myers
>I don't buy that - Hitler had some strange beliefs but nihilism, a Joker kind of 'I don't have a plan' recklessness doesn't, in my opinion, mesh with his true goals. Nihilism isn't a "Joker kind of 'I don't have a plan' " for fucks sake. Nihilism is the belief that the strongest will dominates all others. It's the belief in the Ubermensch or Super Man. Hitler believed the Aryans were genetically the Ubermensch due to a misinterpretation of Nietzsche. >What I think is more accurate is that Hitler was a total gambler, an all-or-nothing kind of operator, who would rather die than compromise. His fundamental beliefs were based on a strange distortion of Darwin's theories mixed with a made-up racial hierarchy of eternal struggle. This is not Hitler's ideology. >In Hitler's view, if the 'pure' German's weren't up to dominating (at the very least) the 'subhuman' Slavs in the East then there really was no point in maintaining a functional German state. There was no point in simply existing - the world was an eternal racial struggle and if the Germans can't compete then it's their destiny to die. This is sort of true. The Ubermensch is a creator, he is one who uses his will to take what he wants, and all others are meant to bow to the Ubermensch.
Ian Smith
I’ve read several bios and don’t remember this. Haven’t read many firsthand account by associates. I knew about the midnight movies (with Greta lol) and his boring stories and speeches.
Good post.
Yeah. People don’t realize how au currant a lot of his eugenics ideas were. American creationists today are depicted as backward, but a lot of it was actually motivated by people uncomfortable with the idea of eugenics and castrating mental retards. You can read some of the original sources around the scopes trial, it’s fascinating.
Jordan Baker
Agreed. No guilt here.
You should feel ashamed of your great-grandfather for exhibiting violence and irrational hatred towards a man who's done nothing aside from being German.
Hunter Rogers
That was the true danger of Nazism - it's undeniable he was a powerful leader because, largely in part of the Fuerherprinzip, he removed normal moral considerations from every day decision making. It would have been irresistibly seductive to a driven, motivated person to be told 'listen, I'll put you in charge of an entire state bureacracy, and I give you total permission to achieve your goals in ANY way you see fit. Get to it'. Imagine having those restraints removed by a man who was basically saying 'I've got your back' if you consider murdering people a legitimate business strategy.
Kevin Hughes
I don't agree with that characterization. Stalin frequently quoted Marx, Engels and Lenin. Stalin believed in the class struggle; he just believed that he was the one who was to lead the "dictatorship of the proletariat" Modern Stalinists still believe that Stalin was against his cult of personality and that it is morally acceptable to imprison and kill political opponents as "class warfare"
I don't know, I mostly read Kotkin's work on Stalin
Jackson Jones
Imagine trying to shill the holohoax in a Hitler appreciation thread. Post nose.
Austin Garcia
Klaus Von Rape?
Isaac Edwards
That's propaganda. Most of them looked like sacks of potatoes. They couldn't afford to have most of the uniforms tailored.
Robert Phillips
Then how did Hitler, literally the most Nazi of Nazis, get a tailored one?
Gavin Edwards
lmao the reich was corrupt as fuck, things were doled out based on party connections not ability look at what happened with goering for example fucker couldnt organize air defence for homeland
Gavin Lee
Their unifirms are typical military attire. They look like fancier boy scouts. Also, uniforms are a dumb and lame reason to like something.
Juan White
>military strategy >corruption
You what?
Hitler n Co clashed with the Wehrmacht generals because they were old school, and looked down upon Hitler for his lack of high born status (no ‘von’ in his familyname) and most of them were resistant to new technologies like aeroplanes
Brayden Parker
hurf blurf lets drive for moscow without finishing england >doesn't take moscow either >leaves the 6th army with inadequate force to subdue stalingrad >orders 6th army with tens of thousands of experienced disciplined troops to fight to the last man against overwhelming odds >throws their lives away so he isn't seen to be retreating >MILITARY GENIUS
Charles Perez
Loyalty to the party counted for something, especially during a time of conflict and controversy. Elevate the wrong person, even though they may be qualified, and they can turn on you and wield whatever power you gave them.
Perhaps, had the Nazis won, they could have replaced Goering with someone a little more capable. Perhaps it wouldn't have mattered?
Logan Reed
Fixing what went wrong with your country is one thing, but fuck imperialism.
Joseph Scott
What has that got to do with corruption? Honestly
Jackson Gonzalez
Germany was just getting back what was rightfully theirs though. This was accepted by the allied nations back in the 1930’s
