Anyone else not give a single fuck about being a virgin?

Ofcourse I judge a 30+ year old virgin, because you are a failure in life.

You obviously "don't give a single fuck".

>he measures his life in having sex
jesus is upset

big oooof, ya totally got em bra!

You must've taken the red pill because you're now beyond what you were born to be.

No I'm just in shock at how most people seem to be in a frenzy to get laid, I'm sure its awesome but damn there's so many other things to do in the world.

I don't and i'm 35.
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It is hardly a frenzy, more a natural urge. And if you cannot get it before 30 you are literally failing at being a Human male. It is so extreemly easy to get that i do not understand how anyone can fail at it before 30. After 30 i can understand you dont get any sex. You are like a walking sign that says: Stay away from me, im incapable of functioning.

Idk if I have just had bad partners, but sex doesn't even feel very good, I can barley cum from sex. Maybe my dick is broken, but it doesn't feel much.

I was a virgin until 23, in that time I started whit that "I don't give a fuck" bullshit.
Don't be a fucking conformist, having sex is amazing. Deal with reject, grow a pair and find a person who would fuck with you. Because when you want sex, you start to be a better person, you start to take care of yourself, worring about how you look, how you smell, etc. You interact with new people and develop social skills, or improve your economic situation because bitches love money. Embrace the hunger for sex and you'll be better person, embrace your virginity and you'll want to die every day but you don't do it because you live in your parent's basement and you don't want to make them sad

>Extremely easy
Then why is it so hard?

I could have gotten it at 23 but she was a ugly slut so I refused. I'm also bisexual so getting sex wouldn't be an issue, I just don't see the point unless some hot chick throws herself onto me.

Maybe your not gay, but asexual. I dont know, i only know that me before good sex was a different person then me after sex, and in a positive way.

Lower your standards.

>Deal with reject, grow a pair and find a person who would fuck with you.

Why would I do that? That's like telling a millionaire to go work at McDonalds. If I'm already happy by myself, there is no reason to lower myself to chasing after skanks who just wanna shit test and use me for resources. Don't project your past unhappiness onto me, life is great.

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Yeah...Elon...you was all the time.

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You have been on the internet for to long, finding a nice girl to have all the freaky sex with that you want is practically heaven.

I'm sure its fucking awesome, I get chills just making eye contact with girls, but life is still good as it is. I just don't see how guys can think life isn't worth living without sex.

LoL? Plz explain why, red pill us faggot.

Woman are drawn to successful men, so if you're a virgin you're probably not very valuable. Its not a perfect science though, complete scum bag losers can still get laid, the problem with guys like OP is that they don't put in effort.

Never said virgins should end their existence, but sex will tap into a primal experience that we as western people almost never get anymore. It is worth having.

You still need to woo them no matter if they're a 10 or a 2 though

Says who? The status Quo?

Woman are educated that way, maybe we are not parenting material, but that does not makes us useless you see, we can make more money than you, we can have a better life than you, you must have a very low self steem to be comparing success with sex, some of use may not be alpha, but atleast we know we are better than you.

A 2 needs very little wooing. Unless you yourself are a 2. Just a hello, want to fuck is enough for most 3 or below, but do you honestly want that.

The meaning of life is to have sex. If you havn't had sex or are having less than you are worth less. This should be extremely easy to understand. I am a 22yo virgin

>Yea but life is complicated and there's value and stuff
Nope. Fucking women is the most enjoyable experience possible (unless you're talking about heroin or something) If you haven't done it then you are a failure. Better get to it Op

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srry for shit grammar btw

But you are a virgin, so by diffination you are lesser than me. If you are below 30 and virgin you still stand a chance at being a functional human. If not you will always be a sad package of meat, bones and water. And alot if not all women will think of you as a loser that is not worth their attention, and they would be right to do so.

You say all that, and I still don't give a fuck. I don't care about the meaning of life, all I know is that life is great even without sex. I'm happy to be alive, that's all that matters.

No, thats the meaning of life you decided to follow and about the drugs plz tell me in what fucking bible says that its in human nature to inhale heroine, you are full of BS boy.

The bible? What?

What makes your life so great, that sex cant improve it, i would be miserable if still a virgin.

You can choose to not give a fuck about anything. No relevant commentary is being made by you stating you don't give a fuck.

You give a fuck about pleasure over pain. You strive for enjoyable experience more so than you strive for negative ones. Coitus with a female is the most enjoyable experience you can have, and here I'm supposed to believe that you suddenly drop that behavior once it comes to this most enjoyable experience possible?

Sex is an invertible biological need for man. You can pout and say "I don't care" all you want. It doesn't matter. Assuming we aren't just throwing up our hands in the air and saying "fuck everything that's inconvenient" then sex matters, and you are a failure and worth less if you are a virgin. Sorry dood.

>Sex is an invertible biological need for man.
**inevitable

>What makes your life so great, that sex cant improve it

I never said that sex couldn't improve it, I just don't pursue it because its too much effort and risk and I'm happy enough without it. Imagine if you had a million dollars, but someone said you could get a million more if you fought a bear for 3 minutes, most people would decline simply because they'd be satisfied with the million they already have. That's how I feel about sex. Woman expect too much out of men in exchange for access to their holes.

Seems like you're attempting to argue that life is still worth living without sex, then you are attempting to argue that you arn't worth less or a failure if you're a virgin.

You ok OP? Having some suicidal tendencies there?

No but I'm gay
don't know if that matters

>Coitus with a female is the most enjoyable experience you can have, and here I'm supposed to believe that you suddenly drop that behavior once it comes to this most enjoyable experience possible?

Its really not that farfetched. Most people know heroin is the best feel in the world, yet they still don't do it because they know the cons outweigh the pros. Maybe my perception of sex is inaccurate, but I truly feel I stand to lose more by pursuing sex than not.

I certainly didn't. After not being a virgin, I still don't.

If sex is the only thing that gives your life meaning you must have a pretty sad existence. I'd much rather have a rewarding and enjoyable _decent_ paying job than sex with a hot girl

What is this "risk" that you are afraid of? As for effort i cannot judge your social skills and looks, but with average looks and social skills it really isnt that hard to get someone of your own level.
>Woman expect too much out of men in exchange for access to their holes
This is just Yea Forums and incels speaking. Most women are just people like you. Nothing special about them and they really dont expect much.

But you cannot lose anything when persuing something you have had yet. You can only gain an experience that all over the world has been rated in top 5 of experiences.

Yeah, shooting up heroin comes at a far greater cost than fucking someone. But i'm kinda in the same boat as you, and so many other loser incels, or whatever we wanna call them. I am incapable of meeting the demands modern women put on partners they see as worthy. I have had severe depression and anxiety since middle school. There's nothing we can do about it.

I guess it's smart to not give a fuck. You will only suffer if you do. If it makes you feel any better no one actually has freewill and you aren't in control of anything at all so you being anything, including a virgin, has no real meaning, beyond what I have already mentioned.

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Sex and a decent job are not mutual exclusive, they even work very well together. But i get where you are coming from, sex is by no means the mesning of life to me, neither is a job, even a great one. What i do find very important is having different experiences. And sex is really high up there in my list of great experiences.

I didn't say sex is the only thing that gives my life meaning. Maybe extend your reading comprehension past that of a fucking 5th grader, and try again.

Just pay a whore.

I do not believe in determinism, so you can do something about it. And you should.

Fucking gross.

The value comes more from having someone willingly engage in coitus with me than cumming with another person.

>What is this "risk" that you are afraid of?

STDs, pregnancy, drama, the usual bullshit.

>As for effort i cannot judge your social skills and looks, but with average looks and social skills it really isnt that hard to get someone of your own level.

I'm pretty unattractive and poor so I'd have to lower my standards to the ground and slave for pussy, but since I'm already happy I don't feel the need to do all that.

>This is just Yea Forums and incels speaking. Most women are just people like you. Nothing special about them and they really dont expect much.

Not from what I've seen. Woman know the value of their pussy and use it to control men. I've watched my friend sell his soul for pussy too many times.

No a lot of the people I know would be a lot better off if they never had sex. Sex ruins lives if not done responsibly, its nothing to play with.

>I do not believe in determinism,
Determinism doesn't mean we can't do things or make choices

I would love to hear your reasoning as to why you don't believe in determinism.

I've fucked 4 girls and I'm 18, shit I was in a long term relationship with the first one and I still am with the last one, if I was single that number could easily be 8+. You're pathetic if you can't get a single girl, girls like confidence not you being a pussy and getting nervous as soon as you show you want to have sex with them.

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daily lives of high school boys

Sex makes good relationships complicated and cuddling is better prove me wrong

Getting nervous and being a pussy isn't a choice you complete fucking retard

>fucking retard
Whos the retard, the one who gets all shaky and cant get some pussy or the one who's fucked more girls than you ever will?

As a non-virgin here, kill ur self dawg

Fucking a girl doesn't make you more intelligent you complete ingrate. How about you spend 5 seconds thinking before posting such a worthless reply.

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>But i'm kinda in the same boat as you, and so many other loser incels, or whatever we wanna call them. I am incapable of meeting the demands modern women put on partners they see as worthy.

Yeah that's basically my problem. I've realized that the less you fit into the archetype that woman are generally attracted to, the harder they make you work to fuck them. And I'm not blaming woman or anything like that, they just have so many options and so much value that they can't help but see guys like us as lessers to be exploited or ignored. I'd just rather focus on loving myself than struggling to find someone to love me.

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yep

I didn't care at about being a virgin for the longest time. As far as I know, It wasn't some denial shit. I sincerely didn't think about, ever.

Then I turned 19, then 20, then 21. Maybe I'm unique in this, but the depression and loneliness from being a virgin didn't even start until 19 and only got worse and worse, and hasn't stopped getting worse. Take my advice and try and fuck someone soon OP.

Because it sounds foolish to me, non of the arguments that have ever been used to explain determinism to me have ever sounded reasonable. And then there is the whole religious aspects to determinism that just makes me run away very fast.

Except it kinda does, if you're gonna make a effort at actually pursuing a girl you better know what to say. If you where so intelligent you could most likely know what to say yourself, but the reality is you're such a worthless person that you can't even make a connection with another human being. You're pathetic and my point will always stand.

huh? nooo!

EVERYbody must get laid !

I'm a staunch atheist, and there is no mandatory religious aspect to determinism.

With that being said. I would recommend you research shunyata in Buddhism (it has NOTHING to do with anything metaphysical, or spiritual, or any bullshit woo woo or whatever) but if the religious aspect would still turn you off then there are still many other ways in understanding why we don't have free will.

Understanding that nothing has any intrinsic nature of self was very important for me in understanding the complete impossibility that is free will, which is why I mentioned shunyata in Buddhism.

Or just take a psychedelic and attempt ego death.

OP here. I'm 26 and care less by the day. You a noob in the virgin game.

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STD are really uncommon, and easily avoidable just as pregnancies. Atleast where i am from. Drama is just part of life, if you dont learn to deal with it, and by just avoid it you will not be truely happy. Happiness comes with risks.

And sex is definitely something to play with, i know no one that is better of without it, and i only hear of sex ruining lives in American movies.

Sex makes relationships tolerable and cuddling is gay (sometimes nice) prove me wrong.

I actually find it quite interesting how you've mentioned this as I've been quite keen on looking into Buddhism myself, what are their core beliefs exactly?

Have you ever tried meditation? If yes how has it affected you or maybe your beliefs.

I have done LSD lately but I haven't found anything ego shattering as of yet, how do you know when you have truly found insight?

Sure, non-virgin neckbeard.

No it doesn't, your reasoning made absolutely no sense. You comments literally prove that intelligence is not necessary to fuck someone, assuming you aren't lying about haven't the amount of intercourse with other women that you say you have had.

I said fucking a girl doesn't make you more intelligent. I didn't say fucking a girl doesn't prove you are more intelligent. Putting your penis inside a vagina will have zero effect on your IQ score.

Why get so mad when you're the one having all the fun? Don't like it when other people smarter than you call you retard?

I disagree, I enjoy sex personally as it is something that that can't do unless somebody wants you to. It really connects you in a unique way.

I didn’t care. And I’m glad I didn’t do it with a random slut or a prostitute, but I did it at the age of 22 with someone I actually care about and was apparently good enough to make her cum multiple times a session

Its still a risk nonetheless, my health is more important than orgasms, even if its a 1% chance. And I don't mind necessary drama, but woman cultivate pointless drama just for the sake of it. My friend is twice my size yet hes afraid of what his girl might to do to him, its pathetic.

Do psychedelics is already a past time. I know religion and determinism are not mandatory, but they do go hand in hand, wich i do not like. And we do have free will and our choices are really ours. I have to often seen determinism being used as an excuse that I am personally convinced that it is wrong to think so (not that i would deny someone to think that the world is deterministic)

not a virgin, but not really fixated on sex. for me, its more a thing that i share with someone who i have built a deep enough of a connection with, and theres a mutual attraction there. I still think women are beautiful and like sex, im just not constantly thinking about wanting it. doesn't feel like a scratch i have to itch

Well to be honest if your friend is scared of his girl, as you said its pathetic. If some bitch is trying to intimidate me I'd tell her how the fuck it is and not to fuck with me, I wouldn't touch her because of bitches saying
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But I'd certainly leave. Anybody who makes your life negative doesnt deserve you, and people should have the balls to say that.

I've tried mediation multiple times, and I can say it certainly has helped me in being capable of being a calmer, more focused, and overall more compassionate person. It has helped me feel less attached to what would ordinarily invoke annoyance or dread, like a painful past memory, and has helped me feel more secure in my life.

Recently I've been feeling like shit and haven't attempted any practice like mindfulness or mediation to any worthwhile degree, though.

The only real insight I've ever had was a random moment ( I was 100% sober, aside from some cannabis I had smoked hours earlier) when I was thinking of things related to what you'll often hear all the hippies go on about, "there is only one moment". It's hard to describe, but I felt like time was a real thing and it froze, and it was literally impossible for there to be a past and a future. What follow was the most amazing feeling I have ever felt in my life. it felt like the ground had been pulled beneath me, but I could fly. I started to get freaked out after about 5 seconds of this and it was one of the most intense feelings of my life, and it must of interpreted it as I then immediately went back to feeling normal.

If you're serious about wanting to practice mindfulness, meditation, or things related to Buddhism, keep drugs out of it.

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And again, sorry for shit grammar. I'm fairly tired.

If the risk was 1% i would stop having sex aswell, way to high, thank god it isn't. You make it sound like you like having a sheltered life. And that is ok. I and most people really would not call that living, but for each his own i guess.

I personally disliked the drama to, but now i enjoy it, i have learned to deal with it, and most bitches are less prone to drama when you and they get older

I don't give a shit about what society thinks of me
However, I'm horny 24/7
So being a virgin is a personal letdown to be honest

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>Don't care
Make a thread saying you don't care.

Not having free will doesn't imply that we arn't sentient creatures making choices based on us being the way we are.

I'm not sure if you understand determinism or free will. This topic can be more complicated that people will give it credit for.

"There is no you to be choosing anything" is a great quote that really gets my message across. As I said, research shunyata.

Getting anxiety thinking about sex has to suck. Must make getting laid that much harder. Then the women smell the desperation. Lul

Mediations cool and all but taking psilocybin and being alone is the fast path to getting rid of mental baggage.

And sorry I didn't even answer your first question.

The core beliefs in Buddhism are what you would expect to hear. Karma, rebirth, no self.

I wouldn't worry about all of this at first, as mindfulness and compassion are the most important things you can learn from Buddhism. Compassion is the most important thing you can learn from anything.

I've had like four stds and antibiotics work every time. If the snatch has a metallic scent stay away.

I have a decent understanding of the western
Philosophical debate surrounding determinism and free will. And even though you said shunyata isn't woo, buddhism in general is rife with woo, and the wiki about sunyata was not really convincing otherwise.

Yeah okay Terence, just take 5 dried grams of psilocybin alone in darkness and everything is solved.

I've taken psychedelics before, and as someone with depression and anxiety, It gave me the worst experience I have ever had, one that I wouldn't wish on the worst person you could conceive of. Although you're not all wrong, I felt amazing the following week.

I'm just too satisfied with the way things are. When I see girls its like looking at a job application, its just seems like a lot of work and responsibility. It seems like everything is about catering to their needs. Protecting them, providing for them, entertaining them, sexually pleasing them, them them them them. I just can't be bothered with that.

Yeah mate this is what I was thinking, I might not of felt amazing while I was tripping, but I did see some amazing stuff such as streetlights being bright as shit and things you truly cant explain. Since I've done them I've felt amazing in day to day life.

I would never advice phychedelics to anyone that is not at ease or has any mental illness like depression, unless you want to drive them to suicide.

Researching shunyata isn't reading the wikipedia on it. The relevance of shunyata here isn't solely a Buddhism thing. Science seems to be clear on this, that any single separate self nature is impossible. I have been subject to more than enough reasoning and argumentation to convince me that free will is nothing more than an illusion, which is felt thanks to the illusion of the self.

Good thinking. The thought "I need to kill myself" while I was tripping is one of the few thoughts that I remember having.

So even amongst other virgins I'm still worthless. Well thanks OP

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There isn't really a science behind it, it is a philosophical question. And you can hardly claim that science is clear on what the "self" entails or if it is an illusion or not. Because it is still a heavy debate that is very lively, and because there is no real evidence either way, this debate will exist for a very long time.

Now shunyata may not be well represented on its wiki. But i am unab,e to read a library in an hour so it will have to do. And what i can tell it represents exactly what I dislike about determinism and what makes me run away from it at lightspeed.

You're wrong. There is science behind it. Is it more than a mere philosophical question. You stating so only further advertises to me that you don't understand what you're talking about.

I can claim the self is an illusion, for I have directly experienced such. Who am I to go against the only thing anyone has, their felt presence of immediate experience? Only someone unaware of how much they are overestimating themselves, in my opinion.

You have yet to explain what exactly your problem with determinism is, aside from "I don't like religious stuff and that's often apart of determinism so I don't like that".

The universe works a certain way, our brain is apart of that, and not exempt from working only a certain way. We have as much freedom as a computer does.

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So what you fucking pussy, the bad trips teach you something about yourself. You use depression and anxiety like a crutch, so you'll never make progress.

I come across so many like you, those who get so offended and defensive when I mention my bad trip. They do everything they can in an attempt to illegitimate it.

You're so much more pathetic than anyone using mental illnesses as a crutch of sorts. Good job

Lol. Okay buddy. At least I can handle my own psyche without crying like a beta cuck

Verbally harassing and behaving in such a juvenile way towards others does more in stalling progress than using mental illness like a crutch.

Try again buddy.

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Ofcourse the universe works a certain way, and if it wasnt for quantum mechanics i would probably have been deterministic by now. Read the wiki of indeterminism if you want to read about what i feel is closer to reality.

And whatever you have personally experienced on a trip really has no meaning for me, the self is not an illusion.

Once again, playing the victim. Sorry I verbally harassed you snowflake. Hope you cope with your self diagnosed illnesses.

both virgins who brag about that they dont need sex and non virgins that brag about having had sex once and thus being superior to everyone else are equally pathetic and should consider suicide

I took 5 grams, puked blood, experienced ego death and lived. Guess I'm just stronger mentally.

I didn't only experience no self while tripping. People don't only experience no self while tripping. The self is an illusion, as there being any intrinsic separate nature in life is impossible, as I've already said.

What is your ground for stating that the self isn't an illusion?

I wouldn't say so, being that I'm alive

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if i have fucked but not cum does that count as being a virgin

Once again, I called you out and you're upset at such because I'm right.

You don't need to even read my replies if I'm a 'beta cuck', much less get this upset. Go soak your fucking head instead, how about.

bumping for an answer

I was stating it on the same grounds as you anecdotal evidence. I experience the self seperate from nature.

But if you want a more scientific look on it: psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-the-darkness/201704/the-self-is-not-illusion

Although i am not certain you can call psychology really scientific.

If you're posting a thread about it and telling everyone you clearly give a fuck

No

Well...interesting...except we like pussy around her you fuckin fag

i still consider myself a virgin since all of the sex I've had up until this point was fucking horrible. Every pussy I've been near smelled like metal fish.

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Called me out on what? Being upset at weakness? Take your sensitive pseudo intellectual bullshit to reddit.

Damn, nasty bitches, you should check for STDs

That article fails to understated what any quality (and imo, true) spiritual teaching gives. In no way shape or from does realizing the illusion of the self mean it's mandatory to never perceive in anyway yourself as separate. It's similar to many mistakes people make with the illusion of free will. Distinguishing between choices being made and a decision possible between any said choice is relevant.

> I experience the self seperate from nature.

Yeah, that's why it's called an illusion.

i know that feel

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>you should check for STDs
i have, tests come back negative. ever since the first time I had sex, I've had this persistent fishy smell around my glans and the doctor can't figure out why. i wore a condom too.

>beta cuck
>lol go back to le reddit.

Who actually talks like this? Keep sticking around and replying to some beta virgin you dumb cunt.

And this is where the woo comes in. The true spiritual teachings and you can see this illusion, but I with my non transcended mind cannot see trough this illusion.

Yeah this is exactly why i am not deterministic. It always comes back to some sort of religious or mindfulllness mumbo jumbo that i have no interest in.

I did like this discussion. It really did reaffirm my belief that i am not deterministic and stand a good chance of being correct.

For me, it's the McChicken, the best fast food sandwich. I even ask for extra McChicken sauce packets and the staff is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.

One time, I asked for McChicken sauce packets and they gave me three. I said, "Wow, three fore !" and the nice friendly McDonalds's worker laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-Free!".

Now the staff greets me with "Hey, it's 3 for free!" and always give me three packets. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere at my local McDonald's restaurant. I go there at least 3 times a week for lunch and a large iced coffee with milk instead of cream, 1-2 times for breakfast on the weekend, and maybe once for dinner when I'm in a rush, but what a great meal that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily nutritional needs.

I even dip my fries in McChicken sauce, it's delicious! What a great restaurant.

For how long? Any antibiotics?

You don't like my buzzwords? Ill do as I please nigger.

i first had sex when I was 19 and I'm 24 now. it showed up about a month after and it's been recurring ever since. I've tried at least 1 antifungal cream and have been on numerous antibiotics.

> Yeah this is exactly why i am not deterministic. It always comes back to some sort of religious or mindfulllness mumbo jumbo that i have no interest in.

So, your disagreements have nothing to do with any understanding of determinism, but that you're sore due to exchanges you've had? You fucking linked an aritcle that was talking about the relation between spiritual stuff/religion and no self, which is what I was alluding to. Are you fucking shitting me right now dude ??????

Spiritual doesn't mean religious. I didn't imply that if you agree with certain spiritual teachings you will then understand. You're assuming way too much and being way too stubborn with your translation of my comments.

I don't like this conversation. It further proves to me that this stuff is too complicated for most to understand, as well as prove to me how important the experience of no self is to understand this stuff at all.

Thanks for ruining my night by having my type out all this bullshit only to spit in my face and tell me that you're probably never going to be convinced, and that I'm extremity unlikely to find any kinship with people that think like me.

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Hopefully you toning down is guilt.

life was better for me when I was virgin
I found out I have a hell of a huge libido (fucking 3 times a day is my perfect rythm), greater than any women I ever met
Now frustrated af masturbating 3+ times a day because my gf can't satisfy me

Guilt for what? Shaming wizards and people with fake illnesses?

You will never convince me with BS like shunyata, the more i read about it the more its making me laugh about how ridiculous it all sounds. And now i'm beginning to doubt you even have an understanding of the philosophical debat that people in the western world have.

To bad you disliked the conversation. I never had the an intention to convince you, it was rather obvious that your religion has a.ready indoctrinated you. But i can still get joy out of the exchange of ideas.

Ane yes i said your religion, because it is clear you are religious. You may call it spirituality, it is all the same to me, and most non theists.

Not sure either. Try different soaps and use powders to absorb sweat. T.medic