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Your links are broken. Just recommend way of the samurai 3 & 4

Only the first is broken. But the title still appears, which means you can look for it if you're interested. However, it's well known that Obata Toshishiro performed kabutowari in his video.

>way of the samurai 3 & 4
Do you mean the video games?

prolly not a good katana, just a dropforged one

Yeah, and the cheap kendo game. These videos are awesome though

I've played them. Good games. If you like samurai games, I recommend looking out for Ghost of Tsushima. It's not out yet, but it looks promising. The only historical inaccuracies I've spotted is shit that 99% of people won't even notice.

The spear is the best sword. Prove me wrong

I could literally crush your windpipe Dexter

it's not a sword. you've been proved wrong.

Celts were better at pattern welding but the katana is perfectly functional for what it needed to be. The design was unchanged for a thousand years only because it didn't need to be much better.

Also, spears > swords. Yes, always. No, swords are never better in any application. (Ok I'll give you that 0.00001% of the time when they are) Every culture ever has known that spears are the most efficient melee weapon. The katana was waaaaaaayyyy less important than the yari or naginata, as both were superior.

nagi's are for women and fags tho

Yaris though my nigga, that's what the average soldier was equipped with.

youtu.be/uLLv8E2pWdk

Here's a some hema guys doing a bunch of sparring with various spear vs sword combos

I made a gif of the link that's broken.

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I know spears are better, just shitting on naginatas

read
it's the same principle with polearms
swords are a sidearm, either a backup weapon for when your "more efficient" weapon gets wrecked/stuck/whatever, or something that can be comfortably carried when not expecting a battle.

Little wikipedia snippet for those who rightfully don't want to take my word for it

"Polearms (includingnaginataand yari) were of much greater military use than swords, due to their significantly longer reach, lighter weight per unit length (though overall a polearm would be fairly hefty), and their great piercing ability.[7]Swords in a full battle situation were therefore relegated to emergency sidearm status from theHeianthrough theMuromachiperiods.[7]Around the latter half of the 16th century,ashigaruholding pikes (nagae yari) with length of 4.5 to 6.5m (15 to 21ft) became the main forces in armies"

>No, swords are never better in any application.
Indoors and tight spaces, boarding ships, raiding houses...

a bigger diagram

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Yup, this man knows his stuff.

Although I'm not sure about swords primarily existing to crush. Half swording and using your pommel as a clumsy hammer was more of a last resort "oh fuck i shoulda brought something heavy and blunt because this nigger is in armor".

>I'll give you that 0.00001% of the time when they are

I'm trying to be fair here

meant to link this

You guys are thinking about it too simplistically. Real life isn't a video game where a sword has 50dmg and a spear has 70dmg, or one weapon is on key 1 and the other is on key 2. Each weapon has its own strengths and weaknesses. A spear is great for open fields, or to make spear walls in doorways etc. And there are different types of spears with different benefits and weaknesses. However, they are not convenient when the opponent is close, or if you're in cramped areas where you can't move it freely. Similarly, swords are great for close quarters or areas wher eyou need a lot of maneuverability, but they have short reach, which makes them rarely the first point of contact on a battlefield. Swords are also a fairly long weapon you could always carry with you, spears are not.

If it was as easy as saying spears are better than swords, then no one would use swords the second they discovered spears. Also, they would bring spears with them everywhere all the time, which they didn't. This applies to all weaponry in all of history. Even today we can say a bunker buster is superior weapon when you want to take out a whole bunker filled with enemy soldiers, but inferior if you're raiding a civilian house and you want to limit innocent casualties.

While we're on the topic of polearms, here are some Japanese ones.

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Actually, swords are extremely useful if most situations. Polearms demands a lot of space to wield. The second your enemy is past a certain point, your spear is effectively useless. Having said that, spears are of course very useful in their context. I'm contesting your bullshit claims that spears are superior in 99.99999% cases, which they are definitely not. Just by the examples I gave you, I already covered almost 50% of warfare.

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Real man use this

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The enemy doesn't "get past a certain point" when there are twenty sweaty dudes impaling him from eight different angles at a distance of ten feet.

This isn't Lord of the Rings. People charging a line of spearmen just died, cavalry and footmen alike. The counter to spears was ranged weaponry, not "getting in close" with a sword.

I've also read somewhere that no modern katana is constructed to the quality of the actual katanas used throughout history, because the methods that Japanese swordsmiths used have been lost to history.

this is basically what i'm saying with "/whatever".
Swords are more compact, but this also makes them easier to carry. They are both important parts of the arsenal. Though i always wondered what an average indoor looked like in those times, most examples i saw were rather roomy

>quality of the actual katanas used throughout history,
>quality

the nips had shit iron which is why they folded and hardened their steel to point were it was sharp as a scalpel but brittle as all hell

Bullshit. Both parts.

For one, steel produced today is essentially magic compared to the GARBAGE that the Japanese were using. The entire reason they had such sophisticated folding and forging techniques is because the quality of raw materials they were using was so bad that if they had just melted and cast them normally the resulting blade would be unusable. They deserve respect for making something that didn't shatter upon being picked up, but pretending that the weapons were somehow "superior" to modern practices and materials is patently absurd.

As per your other assertion; sword making is one of the best documented aspects of Japanese culture, and survives virtually intact to this day. You really think a culture as obsessed with tradition as the Japanese would just let some miracle technique vanish? Ridiculous.

Then why do swords exist? Apparently they're completely useless 99.99999% of the time, then there's no reason for swords to have ever been used. Just use a spear instead. Why didn't knights wear spears on their backs rather than a sword on their hips? During the Vietnam war, American soldiers threw away their M16 guns because they jammed, and picked up Vietnamese AK's instead. And that's just because they were a bit inferior. So there's no way a soldier would wear a weapon that's useless 99.99999% of the time. In fact, if it's that useless, is it really a weapon to being with? A baseball bat is more useful than that.

Your argument is completely devoid of rationality. Just the fact that warriors all over the planet wore swords rather than spears for most of human military history proves that swords are very useful and one of the most versatile weapons there ever were.

>Just the fact that warriors all over the planet wore swords rather than spears for most of human military history proves that swords are very useful and one of the most versatile weapons there ever were.
You typing this sentence out tells me everything I need to know. Not going to waste time arguing with someone who refuses to do even a cursory bit of research into military history.

>real man
>posts an imaginary weapon
no surviving examples.
also actual flails were a weapon for plebs, it's where "flailing", as an insult to your skill, comes from

THIS
Western arms are no match for true Nippon steel.
Staymad

Samurai houses would be built to be strategically easy to defend. They also had a lot of cross beams in the ceiling where enemies were expected to enter, and open spaces where you could defend from. In other words, it would be easy to defend, but attackers would have to limit their methods of attacking to avoid getting stuck in a beam. I visited some old samurai houses, I'll see if I can find a photo.

A castle would also be built in such a way that attackers would have to enter very cramped doorways and very steep stairs, making it hard for them to do anything at all, really.

swords were very situational weapons, against "poor-as-fuck-infantry" they´re a great weapon but against a dude in full plate its basically useless

>pic related
this i a proper knights weapon along with the lucerne

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no blade will ever penetrate a proper helmet. retards

I've studied military history. It's part of my BA. Your argument is completely irrational and nonsensical.

grorius nippon steer forded a birrion times

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lol retard. youll be fighting alone faliling around like the retard you are

It’s all in the footwork and true cross leverage. You uncultured niggers.

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"As a weapon, it may be wielded with either one hand or two. It was used in virtually every conflict up until the modern era, where even then it continues on in the form of the bayonet, and is probably the most commonly used weapon in history."

"The spear is the main weapon of the warriors of Homer's Iliad."

"The key to this formation was the hoplite, who was equipped with a large, circular, bronze-faced shield (aspis) and a 7–9 ft (2.1–2.7 m) spear with an iron head and bronze butt-spike (doru).[9] The hoplite phalanx dominated warfare among the Greek City States from the 7th into the 4th century BC."

"From the late 2nd century BC, all legionaries were equipped with the pilum. The pilum continued to be the standard legionary spear until the end of the 2nd century AD. "

"In the late period of the Roman Empire, the spear became more often used because of its anti-cavalry capacities as the barbarian invasions were often conducted by people with a developed culture of cavalry in warfare."

"After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the spear and shield continued to be used by nearly all Western European cultures. Since a medieval spear required only a small amount of steel along the sharpened edges (most of the spear-tip was wrought iron), it was an economical weapon. Quick to manufacture, and needing less smithing skill than a sword, it remained the main weapon of the common soldier."

"The Vikings, for instance, although often portrayed with axe or sword in hand, were armed mostly with spears,[14] as were their Anglo-Saxon, Irish, or continental contemporaries."

"Spears began to lose fashion among the infantry during the 14th century, being replaced by pole weapons that combined the thrusting properties of the spear with the cutting properties of the axe, such as the halberd. Where spears were retained they grew in length, eventually evolving into pikes, which would be a dominant infantry weapon in the 16th and 17th centuries."

You're a joke.

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Still, this would seem to encourage stabbing over swinging, it's hard to imagine a place where a katana, designed for swinging, would be better than a yari.
Tight round staircases in european castles definitely discouraged long weapons though.

triggered weebs in here

It depends on the situation. There are never an one-fits-all answer. Generally, it would be hard using spears while raiding houses, unless you're alone in attacking the house. Spears are so strong on the battlefield because of the way they are used in formations. Even one on one you suffer the problem that your opponent can grab your spear, which is why schools such as Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu focus a lot on how to avoid that. This would especially be a problem indoors.

You can to a certain degree attack a household with spears, but they would usually be used to cover exits, and stab whoever tried to escape. However, the second you try to pass a threshold, it gets pretty awkward, as you can't do much without hitting your friends in the process. Spears are a lot better to defend in such a context, because you could create a wall of spears in doorways you want to defend. Still, this was easier when defending a castle rather than a home.

I wonder how effective would a foldable spear be. A locking hinge in the middle, something like your knees locking themselves when pushed past a certain angle.

People tend to overestimate the drawbacks of a spear's length honestly. There's no rule saying you HAVE to hold it all the way at the end. Hold it 3 feet back from the head and you've still got a wickedly sharp blade and a reach advantage that's much faster and easier to do quick stabs with at close range.

The kinds of conditions that would completely inhibit spear use would very likely completely inhibit sword use as well; no one is going to be swinging a sword around with much success in a hut with 4 foot ceilings. At extreme close range and in extremely cramped conditions a dagger becomes pretty much the only practical thing.

WeW are you that retardet i mean fuck Katanas...but these Swords have just 1/3 of the weight a Longsword has...

A stick with a pointy metal end is literally better than any of your gay ass swords

I've got one of these. It's false-edged, but by god are those points.. pointy

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this guy gets it
>pic related is considerd the most efficent mid-range melee weapon
>best long range melee weapon is the halbert
>best close combat weapon is the dagger

also bows > crossbows
and gambeson (linen armor) > full plate

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>bows > crossbows
There`s a reason why bows were abolished at some point.

yes, gunpowder

Nah, in the late medival ages armor became thicker until the crossbow was invented which rendered any armor completely useless as contrary to a bow it was easy to operate and could punch through even the thickest armor. As a matter of fact it was considered so overpowered that it was banned for use against christians at some point in history. Arround the same time the first muskets made their appearence and co-existed with crossbows for a certain period of time, but due to their inexpenciveness guns were victorious.
The next big step was guns which could be reloaded from the rear, that happened (if i remember correctly) arround 1880. They quickly became popular and shortly after the first generations of modern rifles made their appearence.

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consider the following:
bow has more range (cuz arrows can support longer flight, while bolts loose their kinetic energy ver fast)
reloading a crossbow takes way longer than shooting another arrow from a bow
armor penetration was a result from changes in the head of arrows and bolts alike
gambeson stops arrows and bolts and also swordhits or blunt damage from hammers, while being way cheaper than full plate wich was the actual reason noone used fullplate anymore

just a short video as example for my last point
youtube.com/watch?v=CULmGfvYlso

>gambeson (linen armor) > full plate
why is that?

Yeah, you could totally use that to like... Hold down some paper... Litterally useless

cuz it offers more protection
less weight and no joints or openings like plate armor needs to be movable
also way cheaper
gambeson offers just the same protection from cuts, blunt damage and arrows as full plate does
sounds unbelivable if u never looked into it, cuz everyone thinks metal > cloth
but the multilayer cloth is so fucking hard to penetrate, just watch some youtube videos on gambeson, that shit is crazy

niggers can't read boi

That like comparing a bulletproof vest made from Kevlar with a. 3mm block of copper