Anyone else warming up to cucking?
Anyone else warming up to cucking?
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No. I think it's gross and no self respecting man or woman would participate in such an act.
Even if the relationship isn't serious? What about MMF threesome?
Porn addiction + low self esteem + shock dopamine spikes to the brain are all key components to the cuck fetish.
Stop watching porn, feeling like shit, and acquire some god damn self worth and you won't be a cuck.
a chick getting fucked with her face covered in cum is so very hot....why isn't there more porn that focuses on it?
r/cumcoveredfucking
AGREED.
If I'm not in an exclusive relationship, I'm not sticking my dick in it. That's how you wind with child support payments. Also, I dont like to share.
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I'd love to see my woman on her knees facing that thing!
thanks.
seems like the only stuff done regularly is that British guy on brazzers. There is an old scene he did with Rachel Roxx that was the top tier in it IMO
All of that help from lighting angles and positioning and she still doesn’t have an ass
Still cute though!
My gf wants that, I'm no cuck but will arrange for funnsies, why not
Kik?
dat dopamine shock tho...
Dont let her pick the guy ;)
Nope. It is gay. If you are into cucking you might as well go full assrammer and suck the dick yourself.
Who think was him...?
Yeah, it seems like an increasingly attractive thing. I'd love to watch my girl get used like a whore
This is nice
>Anyone else warming up to cucking?
Actually done it. Shit was cash
Don't believe all you read about low-test betas; it's just sports fucking
>Nope. It is gay.
Retard of the year contender right there
Yeah shared with old roommate, was fun. Kik veinman93
nice try, jew
Someone else who completely misunderstands the dynamic
>nice try, jew
Fuckwit who bought into the jew meme
If you truly loved her, you'd let her fuck a really hung bull!
Did she love it?
>If you truly loved her, you'd let her fuck a really hung bull!
Only if that's something she wants to do. Not every woman wants a stunt dick
Any cucks in the Niagara region of Ontario?
Would love to chat to someone local to me.
If you're local Kik me at Dreamy.kink
Good point!
In a long term relationship/marriage the conversation eventually comes up, MMF or MFF or couple swap.
I'm in Niagara, but I'm not a fucking degenerate.
Naa, youre a retard
OMG YES! The relationship with my girl got so much better since she started cucking me. Any questions?
im more into hotwifing...
sneakily try to do it with my girl and im trying to see if I can broach the topic...
shes very shy and conservative so its not easy
First post best post
>Even if the relationship isn't serious?
Then how is it cucking?
>What about MMF threesome?
That's not cucking.
my girl turned me into one and doesnt even know it
I was her first cock in high school, shes was so shy and innocent
awful at sex and bjs, had no idea what to do which a cock
then she went away to college and it ruined her (as college does most girls)
she discover drinking, which at first I thought was awesome, brought out this horny side Ive never seen, she got validation and confident from getting me hard and making me cum, she needed it
THE BEST EVER
then I started to hear rumors about her con campus with other guys, I wasn't the only one taking advantage of this secret slutty drunk side
THE WORST EVER
I never told her I found out,
but ever visit id hang out with some of her friends that didnt know we were dating to tell me stories
ODDLY HOT EVER
after hearing a few stories, they just made me hornier for her, and we'd just go back to her room and fuck every time id visit
Oy vey, Schlomo! nice thread
>Any questions?
Why are you lying?
Another one. See
Jews are everywhere trying to influence Yea Forums, gab, voat, etc.
They'll never succeed, because the truth outs, and all Jews do is lie, steal, cheat, deceive and kill.
Jews are the epitome and personification of evil.
my favorites ones where when she was black out and trying to still be innocent and nice
I wanna watch someone fuck my girl. Anyone interested?
You really are a moron who has swallowed the meme, hook line and sinker. If you're shilling from St Petersburg then you need a new line
would love to watch my wife get fucked
also loved the ones where she was so blackout out she just owned the in slut and did anything without consequence and especially when shed do things shed never do with me
love her shop and build!
nice lips too!
more?
can we see more? interested
*shape
would love to
"You do? Good. Then show me. Kiss me. Mmm come on, use your tongue too. Ahh, good... don't leave my face so sticky though. Clean it, all of it. There babe, there's a good boy~"
I have tons more
Not sure if I’m ready quite for the full cuck yet but the idea of her experience another cock intrigues me. Does she interest anyone?
I want to know in explicit and vulgar details how you'd dominate my girlfriend
My Kik is growlerfunk
>Not sure if I’m ready quite for the full cuck
>the idea of her experience another cock intrigues me
What do you think the difference is?
I'm not going to fuel your fap fantasy
Wwyd?
Well she was a virgin when we met. But the difference being one is an idea and curiously of what other guys would do with her vs actually watching her with another guy. I’m not sure I’m ready for the reality part yet.
I need to find a chastity chage that fits me...
Id pump a load in her.
Give her herpes and a baby.
As a swinger, I don't really understand cucks
Why would you not want to be involved too?
My girl was also a virgin when we met, and after we got married I was always curious if she wondered what she missed. So I asked her and gave her permission. One day she came home and asked if I was serious as there was a guy making advances. I said OK so she fucked him. I wasn't there as that would be a bit creepy, would have put her off and stopped her losing her inhibitions and having a good time
Sorry not a faggot.
Definitely want to see my girl blacked
Fuck you, you jewish communist faggot.
We're going to kill all of you, you evil motherfucker.
Got kik?
She hasn’t really expressed any interest but I kinda want to see how she would be with another guy compared to with me or what he/she would do
pesjdoe142 is my kik
The only real problem of all this cucking shit is the ultra-cringy captions you faggots add to pics.
Except I'm not jewish, whereas you're just a fucking moron
I'd have liked to have been there, or for her to do it again, but at the end of the day it's for her to get her jollies. i get her to come home to me, tell me all about it and fuck my brains out in reclaim and gratitude
Friendly reminder, there's a difference between MMF and MFM, and MFF and FMF.
Would you record it next time? Or want to be there? Did she tell you about him doing anything special or unique? Or anything she tried with him that she hasn’t with you?
absolutely not.
this is clearly being pushed on us to destroy the western family, and feminize the western male.
any self respecting white man should reject this with every fiber of his being or neck himself before we decide to neck him.
Pipe down young faggot
No.
Being a bull? Yes.
Post kik if you’d like to breed my wife, or otherwise take control of her body
Jesus Christ, why would any Jew waste time here, there's no money to be made.
More into the idea of hot wife then cucking
No nigger. Beating up/hanging cucks will soon become normal.
turn her around
>Would you record it next time?
Yes, but she'd decided she'd done it once and doesn't want to again
>Or want to be there?
Yes, I would have like to have been there ore done MFM, but see answer to 1.
>Did she tell you about him doing anything special or unique?
>She told me all about it, and no nothing special. he preferred doggy and didn't want her to suck him - I guess because he didn't want to pop early
>Or anything she tried with him that she hasn’t with you?
Nope, she just got fucked and came. Then came home and fucked me with a slick pussy.
Nah
Gotcha. I might be open to MFM but wonder if she could handle multiple cocks at once.
Where did the guy cum with your girl?
Husky706
Then you're a Jew sympathizer, which makes you just as bad.
my gfs tits
I’ve been fucking a married woman for a few years, her husband doesn’t know, last night he was out for a few hours and we planned on me coming over. I told her to fuck him before he left and let me ride second. Fucking hot as hell
Spankable. Is she into rough stuff?
>Where did the guy cum with your girl?
Inside her. Neither she nor I can understand the current porn-inspired fashion of whipping the cock out and cumming on tits or belly. It feels sooo much better to cum inside, so she offered him that. Besides, she like the feeling of the guy cumming in her - it often sends her over the edge again
>Then you're a Jew sympathizer
No. Just anti-simpleton
>Two years ago I suspected my wife of cheating on me. She had all the classic symptoms where her routine would change, she would come home late from work and she would go out with "the girls".
> before this she had a very predictable life and dumb ass me thought "thats great she's getting out"
>One day I was going through my cell phone bill I noticed the same number several times and for no reason I apparently woke up and started to be suspicious
> I did a cross reference to the phone number and found that it was a local guy an acquaintance of ours
> At first I thought I was being overly suspicious this guy was married and actually had some business dealings with my wife but as time went by it slowly drove me crazy.
>I decided to go technical and I bought a GPS and a camera.
>After about a week I noticed that she was going to the same places every day after work
>So she was not working late, she would go too the local park that was wooded and had trails
>I was enraged but kept my cool around her until I knew for sure
>It wasn't until the following week when my security cam notify me of movement in our home
>When I opened up the app to see what was going on I was presented with a live image of my wife sucking on this guy David's cock.
Cont...
The fuck you people gotta bring Jews into this...Doesn’t that get boring? Find another boogie man. Lizard people...flamingoes...Bolivians...anything else.
Tstruck21
Cont...
> I went flush and could not believe my eyes, she was naked from the waist down and he was completely nude
> I felt powerless to do anything, I was about 50 miles away working watching this guy go from feeding my wife his dick to laying her down and fucking the shit out of her. I was rivedted to the phone screen, watching him make her scream like I never have, then finally barebacking and squirting into her.
>Or my way home from work, I started out wanting a divorce and possibly murder. However, I began to realize I had an enormous hardon. That ride was the longest and most confusing of my life.
>By the time I got home I decided too collect my thoughts and talk to her about another time when my mind was more clear.
>The following afternoon nothing happened, she still took a long way home but did not fuck him for another couple days
>One weekend AM I followed her to the park so she could work out and found his car next to hers in the lot, they were no where to be found, mystery solved about the way home.
>Then the day after my phone notified me that there was movement in the house. Again I was presented with my wife bent over the couch this time being fucked doggie and screaming his name and finally from the view of his convulsing ass being seeded.
>This time going home I didn't think about divorce, this time I was REALLY turned on and needed relief.
> When I got home, I saw my fresh fucked rosey cheeked wife and took her to bed, when I fucked her she was already raw and soaked and I lasted about 30 seconds from all the new sensations.
>She knew I suspected after that but never asked me.
>We are still together and she will fuck him about once every couiple months. I know he owns her pussy without question. But I realize I am a total cuck now and she made me into one. I have to admit I LOVE it and it is a total fetish with me now.
This video is total OC and actual footage from the first day I noticed.
I usually cum inside her. I am curious what she would look like covered in cum how slutty she might look but I agree it feels too good to pull out
(cont)
and as for the multiple cocks thing, assuming you don't mean DP she could suck one while being fucked by the other, then swap ends, but sometimes a girl needs to focus on the sensations to cum rather than having to concentrate on sucking a dick while being railed.
If your girl is multi-orgasmic you could just take it in turns to fuck her, swapping before either cums until she's nearly ready to cry uncle, then one more round to completion each.
Neo Nazis...what you gonna do? Can't educate them, can't use them as decent landfill
Kik
Bekka_cal
interesting choice of words, actual faggot.
>I am curious what she would look like covered in cum how slutty she might look
It's all about her and what she wants. After all, it's her body getting fucked
If you need a black bull and are in the nyc/nj area then contact me
kik slickguyj1234
snap blackbullsavage
tell me you are from here or will be ignored
kik Fabia1996
pic is my gf. imma cuck.
Pics? Kik?
Trips checked, tho beta
>That's how you end up with child support payments.
yes, im sure thats why you never have sex. child support.
Sent
Half of me wants to because the idea turns me on like nothing else. The other half knows it will hurt my marriage.
Luckily my wife found out and said she had NO desire to be with other men. So, that is that. Still, I fantasize about it all the time.
Trying to get my gf into this. She’s super loyal but I think there is potential. Advise?
Gf with her bull. Just started a month ago and our sex has been amazing
Anyone from Maryland (DMV area) who is into white bbws? My wife is a big girl and I want to think of a way to talk her into playing with another man.
Let’s see her
Same here man. I love the fantasy and I jerk off thinking about sharing wifey often but not sure about the reality...Can i see your wife? Have kik?
Where is the potential? My wife out and out refuses.
Faggots
I’m nervous about the whole idea of sharing her but easing into it. Don’t think I want her posted here sorry I’m a beta
I’m not entirely sure. She’s been with almost 10 guys and When I’m fucking her and she gets really horny I can tell she starts to let go of inhabiton a little so maybe I can ease her into it?
She's a big girl. Still interested?
nope
Kik?
We can kik bro. Looking for a pre work fap
depends on how big we're talking. can i get a peak?
By that do you mean fat?
Never been cucked before, but I get off hard to the thought of my thick, latina girlfriend getting railed by a taller, fitter stranger with a bigger cock than mine.
She recently decided to stop taking birth control, so I get off to the fantasy of us all getting hammered drunk and letting him pump her pussy and unload in her several times throughout the night, knowing full well she's fertile and unprotected. Even hotter if she ends up pregnant and he refuses to claim ownership and I end up raising a son who ends up taller than me and packing a bigger cock.
If it ever happened in real life, I would probably neck myself in shame and guilt, but the thought is exhilarating as fuck. Kik me at apollogh if you want to share the fantasy, as well as swap some pics. I have tons of her.
So she can be spread and shared? Not a newfag sorry boys
Would you spread my wife’s ass open?
>can i get a peak?
You mean "peek", unless you want the guy to show you a picture of a mountain top
100x yup
Now there’s a taco
No, I mean that she's 30 feet tall.
She's real heavy. So unless you're into that...
Yes 100%, please tell me what you would do to my slutty gf she wants to know as much as I do
You could have meant she was a power lifter, rather than a manatee
I wanna see that ass working my dick send her over well send you the vids
And gayest person of the year fo yiu lmao
I wouldn't need a disclaimer on here for that.
Nope. I have no respect for a slut and id imagine my wife would lose all respect for me if i tried to "share" her. Its absolutely disgusting
>If you truly loved her, you'd let her fuck a really hung bull!
And if you truly love her, you'd do everything you have to do to pleasure her yourself even if it means to wear a dildo and fuck her
She’s got a tight little asshole
As long as I get to see the vids she's all yours
As long as I get to see the vids she's all yours
Start by using a dildo when having sex, not a realistic one just a vibe type with no features.
After gauging her interest and getting her into it, almost depending on it for her stronger orgasms get a realistic dildo with features. Only fuck her from behind with it at first and eventually place her hand on it when your fucking her . Tell her its "to help with how she likes it"
She will get comfortable with it, go SLOW (this is important)
Start to talk to her when she is close to cumming with it and tell her some of your fantasies and how you love you can trust her with sharing
When it becomes routine and she gets a bit more adventurous see if she will share as well. You may be surprised!
Then take it to the next level and share your fantasy of her hotwifing or hot-girlfriending.
Go on a swingers site and just browse with her, make fun of it and every so often get a bit serious and tell her what do you think of that guy - that alone will create unbelievable sex.
Then take the leap and when you do start with a 3 way MFM so you will be comfortable as well and it looks like your idea of fantasy fulfillment. When you are done with the 3 way take her back sexually and act like its the best thing ever - NEVER show jealousy. Then Thank her for her fantasy fulfillment and start the path towards her becoming your personal slut.
The pic is my religious housewife that I made into a complete whore in the bedroom in this very way
Good one man lol
More?
>lmao
Really? lmao? Fucking child
Anything to share on Kik?
Dd418191
>hotwifing
What's the actual difference?
Need moar pics and stories.
Wow! Thanks for the tips man! This was actually the path I’m in right now. Getting her the dildo soon, she said she said the idea of me using it in her is hot but awrkesrd at the same time. Hoping to slowly introduce it as you have mentioned here. Thanks again!
I'll leave her tied up and dripping in cum for you when you get back
You wife looks good wouldn't mind pounding that ass
Sashaotb
Good luck! Remember to go slow with it and when you start using it, use it dogie first. If you think she is open to it , it also helps if you both share in the ordering process. She might surprise you. In her mind it also makes it look like its her idea.
My wife
I never want it to actually happen to me, but cuckold and humiliation porn makes me cum so hard.
What's wrong with lmao lmao
Cucks, come share your girls and find a bully in our kik
group.
I'd love to knock that bitch up.
Scan the code or message 'Unclepockets'.
These days cuckold has a beta, submissive connotation. Hotwifing implies no submissive qualities on behalf of the man, he just shares his wife
Cucks, want to share your slut privately? Kik me at palewifesins
Yeah I’m taking it really slow especially since I feel like if I drop it on her now it’ll completely throw the relationship off. Yes! Planning on ordering it together she’s opening up slowly she told me she wants the clit vibrator included. I’ll make sure to use it doggy with her. Yesterday she used a little clit vibe on her clit and she said she wants me to pound her from behind while she uses it. Well see how I can open her up with the dildo. Thanks for the support man!
Enderwage
Really, You don't know how passé "lmao" is? You obviously hang out in the wrong company. Lmao is so last century
>My wife
Unlucky. Can understand why you have a cuck fantasy. i'd want someone else to fuck that rather than me as well.
Once I put her on the path of "fulfilling my fantasy" we started swinging. It was wild, I would have 3 ways and orgies etc... It was ALLOT of fun. But I noticed that my sociopath ass eventually wanted more...
>Struck up a online conversation with a guy who wanted to seed my wife in the worst way
>He was 1/2 decent looking and was proven clean so just to test the water I told him I could make it happen but wanted $200 for her pussy on condition he did not tell her I sold her ass.
>He accepted in a heartbeat
>I told her tat I met this guy who was interested and she was reluctant at first, she never went solo with another guy. After some convincing she decided to go for it.
>We met at a local hotel and met him in the lobby I told her that I wanted to talk with him to give him the swinger rules in fucking my wife solo in reality I was collecting the cash.
>He paid and I told him no rough stuff etc...
>That night he had her ass , her pussy and she sucked him off twice according to her. I give him credit he used her HARD.
>I set up several meetings with them and once with him and 2 friends.
>I did this several times with several guys and one married guy even paid $700! All he did was bend her over fuck her and leave.
Hope you liked that one and try not to think too bad of me.
I want to tongue fuck her asshole
i guarantee your on your way
It's fucking incredibly hot. Keep going with more stories!
Excited and nervous to see how this turns out but my girl is really hot and I want to double team her or see her taken she would look so good. Thanks again for the support! This shit is scary but keeps interesting me.
You are an extremely lucky man.
Anyone interested in pics and vids of my fat, slut wife?
My girl cucks me. Pic are her tits. Kik me if you wanna chat: MisterE_1313
Yes
Dropbox link
/sh/49m1uwmhnm2stpn/AADkwrRHEeB_S8HTF5UfhF4ga?dl=0
Would love to fuck her for you!
Great tits! Let's see her wet little pussy
Very much interested
Crazycooter232
She'd enjoy that. She likes being used
Sharing my girl on Kik. jjflash16
Want her?
No, go kill yourself.
nah i ain't a bitch
Please no.
fr, white chicks piss me off sometimes
where you from
Yes!
First of all:
>you're lying
But if you're not I just want you to know how disappointed your father is in you.
what want user?
So I found this of my wife on my stoner wife's phone, but I didn't take it. I'm pretty sure it was this black guy we both know. I haven't said anything partially because I'm curious if she's actually letting him fuck her. Wwyd, and should I kill the nigger or just let it happen?
MOAR
based and chastitypilled
Full frontal?
Looks good. Let it happen. Join in
She was definatly fucked right after this picture was taken. No need to be curious because it's already happened.
close,I have like?
I didn't know she was even into black guys, and he's our supplier
no
Phaplord on kik is a sad cuck wanna be.
you aren't a cuck you're just being cheated on retard
Maybe she's trading for free shit?
Lol your wife probably took it in the butt, does that make you mad or turned on? There's gotta be a reason why you posted here
My wife's ex was a black guy with a huge cock. I am super average size, but it gets the job done.
She swears up and down that he was TOO big most of the time, and she cums hard on me.. but I wonder sometimes.
Wonder the same thing about the 8 guys my gf has supposedly fucked
What does she say?
Hot! More!
It's my favorite fetish. Nothing gets me harder than imagining someone else impregnating my girl
Okay sry but actually i don't usually speak english with ppl (non-native)
So I'm little late
no
my wife loves masturbating infront of me to cock tributes to her
She tries not to mention it a lot because she thinks my feelings will get hurt. Said the same thing when I mentioned a 3 sum
In the DMV and into white BBWs checking in.
yes
Nice. Whereabouts?
Kik?
NOVA. but I don't want to get too specific.
>ITT: Jewish propaganda
>and said she had NO desire to be with other men
she already cucks you mate
lucky
Bullyherpussy
Gotcha. Use kik?
I know that she doesn't
>impregnating my girl
she's not YOUR girl bruh
??
Kik me for more of my milf mom
Kik: mymumstits
Spot on user.
face?
wow im chatting with you on two threads now. she really is my type
She’s hot. More?
No, fuck that shit.
I'm a subby man but never a chance in hell
>lmao isnt hip so I dont use it
Cuck
I hope he posts all,of her along with Lori
her mouth feels really really good around your cock
Damn it sure looks like it.
That a cosplay BJ?
Hell yeah
I want to send you porn of her and see what you think
More
Ewhite933
You want her too?
Not the same guy,but im letting you know that she looks liek the hottest fuck. Post more cosplay porn. Id trade her for my girlfriend.
I'll fucking spitroast her with you.
Fuck, tell me more! I'm so hard right now
I wanna take turns filling her up with hot sperm... You got a discord?
I can get rough,so expect your girl to get really loud. Hope she can get 9 inches into her as well. How old is she? What else she cosplays as?
She's 18 and she mostly just does kitty slut stuff
Jesus. Ass?
I wouldnt mind fucking the absolute shit out of her. Is she into cuck stuff? Where do you guys live?
Someone does captions on GFs pics?
We live in washington, but I haven't asked her if she's into cuck stuff
I really should considering it's my biggest fantasy to fuck her after some dude has dumped a load into her pussy
Fantasy for my and my gf too but she has no idea. We should trade girls then trade back
Id hapiily cream her. But only if i get to dump another lead on that face. My gf wouldnt be into sharing though,so she would be needed to be...coerced. Roughtest thing you done to her?
more body with face
Do you have any video of this sucking ?
I'm kinda lost- "kitty slut"?
As in, petplay type stuff?
Hell yeah! Empty your balls into my gf's pussy please. I don't even care if you knock her up
add my discord Sigma#2804
Mine is into rape-play, so some pretty rough stuff
yeah but Yea Forums wont let me post the google drive link
and where the fuck is the video
my gfs body, enjoy
heck off
kik? beautiful body.
How about we trade girlfriends? I fuck yours, you fuck mine. I wouldnt mind someone to go really,really hard on her,as in beating and using her. She would hate it,but it would be so hot.
kik?
No discord kik? I’d fill her up deep man that 18 year old pussy would get used. I’d love to force her down and make her scream. But you need to take my gf In the mean time
Just put a few spaces into the url randomly. that way you can post it and we can watch it.
>>
kik is siggydiggidy
no, we only had tumblr. but feel free to post on here
fuck yea. mature ladies titties and stomach just feels so nice when fucking doggy style and they are just hanging
wwyd
Messaged. What an ass damn.
My girlfriend and I talked about fantasies and realized we shared the cuck one. The only time we’ve done anything so far she was blindfolded tied up and had noise canceling headphones on and she got fucked by 8 different guys. She has no idea who fucked her that day. Her best friends husband was the first one, and ironically the last guy was someone who’s married to a total cunt who she hates. She’ll never know she had both their cocks in her mouth and fucking her pussy. The other 6 were guys I found on swinger websites
Fake and gay.
But I like that story, please continue.
Fuck off, true story and pic is from that day, but fuck you
Post more then.
bullshit.
your story changes constantly, which one will it be?
I was going to until your bitch ass made it seem like I needed to prove it. Fuck off with your bullshit
Sounds like you just have nothing and are being salty about it. Nobody believes your story unless you show some actual proof,otherwise fuck off.
Kik
Needmoreppl
Socal Bull
Hmu for meet ups
your story changes constantly when you post the same pic, get fucked. nobody believes you or wants you here if you're gonna post bullshit.
Whats your gf and yours age? That girl is 18, bf can't be much older.
Both are 19. WWYD? No limits.
I need to fuck that.
I'm only into cucking if its a black guy who will fuck my wife.
Does she still self harm often? If so, does it anger you? How do you handle it?
Fbfp.
Why doggy
Kill yourself. Seriously. If this is the best thing you can do for a job, you need to die. Post your PayPal and I'll send you $10 for a bottle of bleach.
a job? lmao
imagine being so autistic you think cuckoldry isn't an actual fetish, but instead it's a way for teh j3wz to control da white man.
>it's just sports fucking
sounds awesome
>then she went away to college and it ruined her (as college does most girls)
so many such cases
Anyone wanna share cuck/cheating stories? I've got a couple that happened to me but wanna hear more! Kik Escapistrhcp
>Gf with her bull. Just started a month ago and our sex has been amazing
more. also what does she say about it?
is this cumshot real or fake...
I’m loving those tits
dude i've lost it. i'm literally gay now from the chan.