Why everyone butthurt about socialism? It’s not bad

The U.S. already has one fag haha

Socialism is always limits the economic growth and progress on a nation.

It also doesn't work in a globalist economy and exacerbates the economic growth and progress problem.

The "successes" you hear about socialism are in spite of it and they never tell you the full story with all the information.

Here's an example where Old "socialism / liberalism" works.

The Housing code

"Let's legally require every carpenter building a house to meet a housing code so that all the houses built from here on are safe and noone has houses fall down on them. Houses will cost more in the short term, but if everyone has to deal with higher housing costs, then employees will demand higher wages from employers, employers raise prices of their goods to cover the higher wages, and after a few years everyone is back where they started except now we have safer houses."

That's the Old Liberal/Government interventionalist theory in a nutshell.

But this only works assuming a few things.

1) The market you are imposing rules on can't just leave to another country without those rules

2) The extra costs of those new rules can be adequately handled by the private sector in the nation

3) the higher costs of the nation do not drive away businesses to other countries

Globalism is the ultimate threat to Liberalism/Socialism.

Before 1960, Liberalism/Moderate Socialism could work.
I'm a Trump voter and I would've been a Liberal advocating for better working conditions etc in any year before 1960.

Nowadays, it can't work.

Modern Socialism and Liberalism is "NOONE CAN GET AHEAD IN AMERICA EVEN IF THEY WORK HARD SO MINIMUM WAGE SHOULD BE 20 DOLLARS AN HOUR WAAAAA" and is a retarded ideology based on lies.

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Yep, you’re black

Because it sucks about as much dick as a communism. Hell a dictatorship is better than both of those, atleast they're honest about fucking their people over.

"woke" retards

Go ask a Venezuelan you mentally stunted liberal.

White as hell. Eastern European.

because it doesn't work, never has worked and until we become literal mindless robots it wont work

does anyone here actually know what socialism is or know about theory?

Yes.

Have you ever tried studying Capitalist theory and why supply and demand self regulates pricing automatically?

Why is it that "Intellectual" Socialists study only Marxist theory without genuinely studying why Capitalism works better?

youtube.com/watch?v=w6adVQrSUAc

Yes I follow AOC on ig

What is socialism? Do you know about LVT?

ah damn you're too woke for my commie-nist propaganders

Def not clicking your virus link trumptard

Samefag

disappointed but not surprised

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Wrong fag

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wonder why the "read capitalism books" guy went silent

go fuck yourself douche nozzle

Nazi Germany vs Venezuela

you're so fucking stupid hurts

Nazi Germany didn't have socialism? They privatized a bunch of shit?

Because you deflected my question with another question, showing that you don't care about studying systems that actually work and only care about worshiping Meme Marx.

No, you answered with just a "yes" and the nsaid something that indicates that you don't know Marx. I asked the question first, and LVT is very simple to explain if you know what it is. Socialism is very easy to define too. You failed to do either, thus showing that you either don't know or are too lazy to engage. Also, use a better source than PragerU which is funded by billionaires. How about citing some actual theory? Or have you never read a book?

Also, I watched the video and you'd only believe this if you were completely fucking blind to anything going on right now. You do realize that the entrepreneurs this video glorifies, while some are good people, also end up being people like Jeff Bezos or Rockefeller?

How are people getting raped by capitalism?

Capitalism rewards innovation, value and hard work. Everyone benefits from new innovations and productivity. The fact that we have an obesity problem is a miracle when other countries face problems of starvation.

The morality of the individual has nothing to do with a system of government.

Just because there are bad people, doesn't mean governmental laws should be in place to punish bad people at the expense of everyone else.
What bad things have Bezos and Rockefeller done that makes you want to enact more socialist laws?

I don't have to prove that I've read Marx's theories and pamphlets.

You very very obviously don't know anything about socialism, communism, or Marx. Do you genuinely believe that all innovation would juts stop if capitalism wasn't in place? You realize that a lot of innovation happened before capitalism right? Capitalism has done its job of advancing society form feudalism, and Communism and Socialism are just the next step up, These systems are practical. They are the next step in the evolution of society.

Soo...he was behind that

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>They are the next step in the evolution of society.
Why do you assume that Socialism/Communism is the next step in human government?

>These systems are practical.
Show me one country where Communism is practical and has worked.

>Do you genuinely believe that all innovation would juts stop if capitalism wasn't in place?
This has to be bait.

If you remove the incentive for people to work harder than others to innovate and succeed, innovation would be greatly reduced and almost totally stop. That's just human nature.

If you want more of something, you remove as many barriers as you can and even subsidize it.
If you want less of something, you put up as many barriers as you can and tax it.

This is the Skinner box and Learned Helplessness.
1st year Psychology.

It would be great if humans weren't humans. Communism and marxism would be great if human weren't humans. Utopias just dont exist because people are pretty shitty.

I feel like someday maybe it will work, but humans are not nearly close enough to that yet.

I'm sorry I meant to link this video. I'm retarded

For all the Socialist/Communist believers

holy fuck I need to sleep

youtube.com/watch?v=zkPGfTEZ_r4

Cuba has a slightly higher life expectancy than the grand ole USA despite being embargo'd by half the first world for decades. Anarchist Catalonia was doing well until it was crushed by fascists. The Soviet Union advanced Russia from a feudalistic steppe country into an industrial superpower that crushed the Nazis, even though they were also embargo'd by most of Europe, as a lot of other countries forced them into trading with the little grain they had instead of their abundant natural resources. They also made it into space first, even though they didnt walk on the moon. Capitalism has completely failed in Africa, reducing the whole continent to an exploited shithole. People have ambitions of their own, a lot of people have hobbies. People are satisfied by doing things. No one pays you to clean your house but you do it. Capitalism, as explained by the LVT you don't know about, i doomed to crash, recover, crash, recover, repeat. The failure of capitalism results in a rise in populist movements, usually Fascism and Communism. Fascism is still capitalist and authoritative, so its bound to be overthrown by the people and as previously mentioned Capitalism repeats this cycle. Once Communism is achieved, however, people wouldn't have an incentive to overthrow it unless they were part of the minority bourgeoisie. In the end the system that benefits the people the most will prevail, as long as things can reach that point before capitalists make the Earth into a fireball.

That video makes a very false assumption that the economic price of something or how money is spent is in an optimal way for efficiency and the well being of all people involved. That assumption is categorically false. Look, I really do believe that you want what is best for people; I do too. I don't get into these kind of arguments to be right, I want people to be aware of the flaws of capitalism. Read a bit of communist theory, and be more skeptical of capitalists. They do have a very vested interest in the success of capitalism, remind you. I appreciate that you do still know more than some people I've talked to though.

>Cuba has a slightly higher life expectancy than the grand ole USA despite being embargo'd by half the first world for decades

That's not a symptom of Communism.
Rats in labs who eat less calories always live longer. Combine that with our American diet of milk, fatty foods, and meat in extreme abundance (thanks to capitalism) and of course we dont live as long.

>The Soviet Union advanced Russia from a feudalistic steppe country into an industrial superpower that crushed the Nazis, even though they were also embargo'd by most of Europe

Dude, the Russian army didn't have enough resources to make enough guns and they handed out sticks to half of their soldiers in WW2.

Germany lost to Russia thanks to the Russian Winters and the fact Russia has 11 time zones...
youtube.com/watch?v=7DljgSrTbNE

>Capitalism has completely failed in Africa, reducing the whole continent to an exploited shithole

Certifiably wrong.
un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2015/12/2-billion-move-out-of-extreme-poverty-over-25-years-says-un-report/

>The failure of capitalism results in a rise in populist movements, usually Fascism and Communism. Fascism is still capitalist and authoritative, so its bound to be overthrown by the people and as previously mentioned Capitalism repeats this cycle

America, founded on freedom and free market principles, has the oldest operating Constitution in the world. Out of every country, America's founding document is the oldest one still in operation.
Do you know why America is so rich? Because we've made operating businesses in America so easy to start.
America is one of the easiest nations in the world to start your own business. Even 3rd world nations have more regulations on opening a business.
Those 2 things aren't a coincidence.

If you want more of something, you remove as many barriers as you can and even subsidize it.
If you want less of something, you put up as many barriers as you can and tax it.

You don’t work. You don’t eat. I’m not paying for your lazy ass. Want to take away my incentive to work hard. think I’ll magically keep doing what I do for the good of the nation? Nope! The people who want the government to take care of them won’t contribute to society and likely are not doing so now.

Yeah I'm not saying Capitalism is perfect. I'm aware of some of the flaws which is why I said I would be categorized as a liberal if we lived before the year 1960. But Communism isn't just imperfect; it always stagnates a country and, more often than not, leads to millions dead by starvation. Look into the Holodomor. These aren't coincidences.

Some governmental regulations/liberal principles/a few socialist principles make sense when applied to a capitalist structured nation. Communism never works.

Why do you think Communism is better than Capitalism?

I appreciate you aren't a total retard or a troll and are actually open minded.

>Rats in labs who eat less calories always live longer
Here's some evidence
youtube.com/watch?v=4UkZAwKoCP8&vl=en

For your first point, I'd like to see you compare Cuba to other poor countries and the USA to other rich countries and see that that doesn't hold true.
Secondly, Germany wouldn't have ever won the Second World War. Even if they had attacked in optimal conditions, the army was huge and powerful. I can't find a source on the stick claim.
Thirdly, the program used for advancing these countries sounds like some socialist theory. People are doing better by means of voluntary, unpaid work that improves living conditions for their community and people are being provided with jobs instead of having having jobs be an exclusive thing. Do you understand what it means to own the means of production?
Lastly, America did well because of its natural resources, good relations with Europe, and so forth. Also, an increasing amount of small business are closing due to being unable to compete with large corporations like Amazon (factorfinders.com/study-shows-more-businesses-closing-than-opening)

I know about that study. They did it with monkeys too.

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So the Holodomor was a tragedy but I think it was caused more by embargo's and a big fuckup in communication. i can't find it right now but Stalin wrote a letter to a Ukrainian rep when he realized just how fucked the situation was, as previous letters to him undermined the situation. The Soviets were also forced into trading with grain because Europe and the US embargo'd USSR gold and minerals, which they had lots of. (cdm21047.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/russian/id/3094)

Imagine how completely entrenched in ideology you'd have to be in order for this image to mean anything.

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you're thinking of Social Democrats not Socialists. Obama, Hillary, and Bernie do not believe in the proletariat ceasing the means of production.

>Fascism is still capitalist and authoritative,
Communism is by definition authoritative and totalitarian. Everybody must do what the state says otherwise it doesn't work. At least in capitalism people have the freedom to self determination. If you are going to pay burger flippers and casheirs the same as people that give 8+ years of their life to education or those that do dangerous jobs, why would they ever do it in the first place? Why would people ever move to where jobs are unless they are forced either by the state or by economic reasons. If you want your $20 an hour, be a fucking garbage collector or move to where they need people. Asking the state to force people to do what they don't want to do is not a solution. Bribing them with opportunities and the promise of a better life is. Better yet, cut social programs that encourage laziness eg swap welfare for government work programs, and cut immigration which is why wages are stagnant in the first place. If jobs are being automated away anyways why do we need them? We have no more land that needs to be settled.

>Lastly, America did well because of its natural resources, good relations with Europe, and so forth

You aren't giving enough credit to our business laws.
Hamilton designed our laws very thoughtfully and it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest, reasons America is the richest country in the world.
Maximizing participation in business is unbelievably beneficial to people being elevated out of poverty, and raising the living conditions of the poorest populations.
The fact that business owners can't be imprisoned is genius.
If it were the other way, the cost of doing business would rise and people would be leery of being going to prison just for opening a business. And the only people who would be interested in opening businesses? Potential organized gang criminals who already were under threat of going to prison.

If a business owner fails, they can just keep trying easily.

>For your first point, I'd like to see you compare Cuba to other poor countries and the USA to other rich countries and see that that doesn't hold true.
Can you link to anything?
There are age anomalies all over the world, man.
Japan and a small region called Sardinia have some of the longest life expectancies in the world.
We can't use life expectancy as the only reason for claiming superiority of a mode of government. That would be silly.

>Thirdly, the program used for advancing these countries sounds like some socialist theory. People are doing better by means of voluntary, unpaid work that improves living conditions for their community and people are being provided with jobs instead of having having jobs be an exclusive thing. Do you understand what it means to own the means of production?

I'm trying to find something, but this is not the case.
It's actually the fact that capitalism is spreading to these places and they are producing more wealth for the entire population. It's not a UN program that is making this happen.

Is this ironic?

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First, not everyone can be an entrepreneur and if you're poor and your business busts its hard to recover.
Second, Cuba has has a rising life expectancy compared to America's declining. So its more than just anomaly. indexmundi.com/united_states/ and indexmundi.com/cuba/demographics_profile.html
Third, I am referring to the link that you used. Did you read what it said?

So the apologist point of view is that the USSR needed a Global capitalist economy to prop up their Communist economy?
At some point, you have to think "why do these things happen to Communist countries all the time?"

Under Communism there wouldn't be money or a state. You're thinking of intermediary socialist states. One popular school of communist thought, Marxist-Leninism, believes in a strong state for transitioning because its meant for heavily underdeveloped countries that need an iron fist to kick things off. Read your shit before you say stupid stuff.

In a way, yes. There is no Žižek scale, but the "socialism leads to communism" quote supposedly being surprising/kept hidden/meaning anything at all only really is true under a very narrow, American understanding of "politics".

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Well, if I lived in a country that didn't have the resources to do something and I could only obtain them through trade, I'd have to trade wouldn't I? Do you think every country has its own reserve of every resource it needs?

because its an easier system to abuse and historically has been devastating to the people. We have it better than anyone in history so don't believe the "our system is awful" propaganda. We know pure capitalism is bad that's why we don't have a purely capitalistic system but as a base it is less exploitable than other systems.

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It's so close the point is just silly.
>Cuban Life Expectancy
total population: 78.8 years
male: 76.5 years
female: 81.3 years

>American life expectancy
male: 77.7 years
female: 82.2 years

The doublethink of Communist apologists is the irony.
Adhering so strongly to an ideology that has disastrously failed many times while making fun of others for being too strongly adhered to an ideology.

I know its really pushing it but still, they literally live on a low resource island that has been embargo'd for decades. Is it not insane that they have even that slight of an edge on our life expectancy? That's fucking insane. We are the richest country on the planet.

There is no "communist" (socialist) that would even think that that image is wrong. There was never any question about whether or not socialism was meant to bring about commumism. The point is that socialism naturally dissolves into communism. That is a complete non-point for anyone that is not completely spooked by the different leftist terms that he or she has no idea what they mean or how to differentiate them. (You)

what do you think nazi stands for you silly willy

Okay, let me tell you about the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. But seriously, it was a socialist party but Hitler infiltrated it. Look up the Night of the Long Knives.

please tell me about all of these socialist paradises tho

and tell me on the machine, through the internet - brought to you by capitalism lmao

lol those fucking peasants in the french revolution used weapons produced under feudalism what a bunch of fucking libtards lol

yes nice reply you clearly responded to the point and for sure know what youre talking about

unless you're gonna give half of your shit away to help out your fellow man you don't really care about helping society out (like socialists claim to want to do) I think you're just a lazy little shit that wants free stuff

In regards to your socialist paradise I'd like you to look at a list of all the countries that tried to go socialist until the US intervened and installed dictatorships. Or just fucked the country over in general. And I am involved in activism for the causes I believe in and donate money to OXFAM and a few other causes. Also, people still work under Communism and its not just "muh free stuff". You don't have anything of interest to say because you don't know anything.