Any electricians here?
My kitchen lost its electricity. Flipped the switchbox and still nothing. When I turn my oven ON, the fridge and lights work. When I turn my oven OFF, they lose all power. What the fuck?
inb4 call an electrician it's Friday night here. Have to wait until Monday. I don't want to leave my oven ON just to keep power to the fridge.
Is it just the kitchen? Your house has 2 120v connections coming in, your stove and dryer run on both together (240v), maybe you lost a phase (one of the 120v lines) does your dryer work right now?
losing one phase wouldn't cause his appliances to act that way. get an electrician user
Not using based 240v for everything.
>the land of the free and the home of the brave.
But not brave enough for double.
Sounds like the on/off switch on your oven is fucked. Remove it and replace it and buy some wire while you're at the store in case you have to re-run anything.
Just the kitchen. Europe here so it's 220v default. The weird thing I don't understand is why having the oven on would make the electricity flow to the fridge and microwave, but as soon as I turn the oven off, all lose power.
Also unplug the fucking thing before it burns the house down lol
Yes it would you stupid fuck, one of his 120v phases is fucked, the oven is 240v so the on switch completes the circuit to send 120v to the other other appliances
call your power company not an electrican op
Either a switched outlet, or dumbass thinks light switch is oven knob.
What a retarded system. Fucking about with split phases for fucking dryers.
>Chad 230V throughout the house UK system.
put ground wire on nipple and positive wire on your right nut to do a hard reset
op is european, he doesn' thave a 120v phase
OP here, it's Europe so it's 220v-240v by default. But what I don't get is that when I now switch on the oven, the fridge and oven lights go on DIM. As if they're not receiving enough power. If I switch the oven off, everything dies.
wait, so whenever your oven is on everything is fine and whenever your oven is off your fridge stops working? or turning your oven off causes the circuit with the oven and fridge to trip?
either way there's nothing you can do without an electrician, see if you can unplug your fridge and plug it into another circuit.
Everything is fine when the oven is on. As soon as I turn off the oven, then all kitchen things like the fridge and microwave die.
Are all the breakers on? Your post is ambiguous as to whether the kitchen breaker is latching OK
Sounds like a fucked neutral somewhere. The current is trying to find a route back to neutral, and it's using the neutral from another circuit.
Are all of those appliances in your kitchen on the same circuit breaker?
I've flipped the breakers off and on again so they seem fine. Funny is that at first, the fridge and kitchen lights were fine. Now they're running dim, like at half power. It's like something somewhere is draining or diverting the power, and it's related to the oven. Because when it's on, it works. As soon as I turn the oven off, everything shuts down.
don't feed the troll...
They're all in the same one yes. The other parts of my apartment are fine. The ones connected to the kitchen circuit breakers are the ones that die when I shut off the oven.
do you have multiple switches in your circuitboard? is it a circuit breaker or an RCD that flips off?
in any case, there's little you can do safely without getting an electrician. your fridge should plug into the wall and if your house/flat has multiple circuits you'll be fine to put it on a different circuit until monday. definitely get it checked out - possible faulty electronics in the oven causing current leakage, might be a ground fault of some kind
Ok sounds like the On/Off for your oven is grounding in the off position instead of breaking the circuit, try unplugging the oven to see if that fixes the issue.
It could also be a live back-feeding. Electricity works on the flow of current between L and N, so if you have a back-feed on the neutral, it acts almost like a resistance if that makes sense. You need a neutral connection free of impedance is what I'm saying. That could be resistance (Loose connection, arcing) or back feed.
Trying turning off all OTHER breakers and seeing if that makes any difference
do you know if your lights and appliances are on the same circuit? your lights shouldn't be affected if they're on a different circuit, which is usually how things are
i had this exact same problem 3 weeks ago. one of the phases was dead coz one of the two 100A fuses in the basement blew.
They're on the same circuit breaker, so somehow connected at least.
Could be if it's a 2 or 3 phase supply, worth checking. Don't think Europe uses 2 phases together at an outlet though as you'd get over 400V there
I probably should unplug the oven for now. But this is going to be a real pain. It's not exactly designed to be easily rolled in and out, it's deeply buried into the kitchen counter complex.
Fuck this. But I guess I'll have to do it anyway for safety. I don't want to wake up choking with smoke engulfing my apartment.
>Could be if it's a 2 or 3 phase supply
it was a 2-phase 240V N. American setup. losing one phase caused this weird interaction between appliances.
Turn off the power for the kitchen circuit.
Disconnect the oven from the circuit. Don't touch any of its metal parts as long as it is connected!!!
And put the fridge into a different circuit until you got a electrician.
Can't tell you more about as I am missing the english words in my vocabulary.
t. non-english electrician
Get a heavy duty extension cord and plug your fridge in to another outlet outside the kitchen. That way your food won't go bad until you get this fixed. I would leave the stove off until then.
You'll generally have either one or three phases going into your house and then a number of parallel circuits running off that phase - so you may have a breaker or RCD for your entire house/flat and a breaker for each circuit
if your lights and appliances are on different circuits but your lights are affected by the oven then this points to a more serious problem with the phase or your premises' wiring, rather than an issue with the appliance itself
This, basically. It could be a fault with your supply. We can't tell from here.
English speaking electrician.
You lost the neutral. At least that's what we call it in the USA. AFAIK UK has 440/480 for the "range" and other big stuff, and it's center tapped with 2 opposite phases of 220/240 for standard lights / wallplugs. Just like USA does with 220/240 for the big stuff and 110/120 for lamps/wallplugs. Anyway, your little stuff has lost its return path (neutral). Oven works because it only operates across the phases hot to hot. It probably has a neutral running to it, because clock or something. WHen it is operating it provides a shitty return path for the other stuff. Probably the neutral wire broke off / burned up somewhere maybe in your fusebox / circuit panel but maybe somewhere else like at an outlet. half broken circuits do weird shit, with half asses return paths thru appliances and crap. either way, if you don't into electricity, wait for the electrician. UK has double voltage so sticking your finger in the wrong place is more likely to be deadly than my side of the pond.
Mfw a post about an oven is the most interesting post in here since weeks. Only traps, furry and degenerate gay shit.
weak and predictable
OP her, thanks for the updates everyone. Currently trying to figure out how I can pull out the oven from the kitchen setup and unplug it until I can call an electrician.
prolaps cat
>AFAIK UK has 440/480 for the "range" and other big stuff, and it's center tapped with 2 opposite phases of 220/240 for standard lights / wallplugs
No, three phase only for 400V equipment which gets all three phases. Motors basically.
Like yo electrical infrastructure
Ok wow this is horrible. I managed to pull out the oven and it's an unholy mess of wires. It would be so much easier if I could see one master wire to unplug.
Put a pic up for fucks sake. It's an imageboard.
>Mfw a post about an oven is the most interesting post in here since weeks. Only traps, furry and degenerate gay shit.
Yes, I'm waiting to see if OP electrocutes himself.
Because the plug the oven is plugged into is melted and shorting
If I'd electrocute myself I wouldn't post be posting here. So the outcome is either this thread dying or me posting "great success".
I need to unplug the individual stove wires now before being able to pull out the oven so I can pull out the main plug. Am I going to kill myself doing this?
>I'm waiting to see if OP electrocutes himself.
OP hasn't responded in a while. He might be dead by now.
Fucking hell. Mistery indeed. That's insane.
Grab a spoon and test which wire still has current when the over is OFF
>Am I going to kill myself doing this?
Yes, if you are doing it wrong!
Turn the power off from the circuit first!
t. non-english electrician
One wire remains that prevents me from pulling the whole thing out. It looks like a ground wire, it's glued to the center of the oven on one end and somewhere deep in the oven panel on the other end. I either have to figure out how to get one of those disconnected gently or break the whole thing.
Check to see if any fuse has blown, the power is probably travelling between the phases through the heating elements in your oven if it's pwered by more than one. Then it travels the backway through your oven into your other electrical appliances.
It might be the power cable for the hotplates. Can you post some pictures?
Anyways DON'T break it and don't pull it out by force! Just let the kitchen circuit without power and wait for an electrician. You did everything you can do for now.
t. non-english electrician
weak and predictable
they will see this thread. they will want to question everyone in this thread
gee we don't seem to have this problem in america
I have the power off and the one cable that is preventing me from pulling out the whole thing looks like a thicker copper-like wire that's screwed on by nuts on both ends. Going to unscrew one of those two ends now. If I don't have success I'll post pics.
Not an electrician but that's definitely a short between wires. Go figure out where a bit of wires melted or a mouse chewed into and they're touching.
Make sure to turn off the main breaker when you do it too so you don't light yourself up.
What I mean by this picture is basically, sounds like a main fuse has blown. Maybe not in your appartment, if you live in a house of several flats. Might be in the basement or something, but then your neighbours should have the same problem (not definitely, though).
Based
OP here, almost done getting the oven out so I can finally unplug it. Will post an ugly picture of the ugly circuitry in a few.
The neutral (Mp, or PE, or PEN) is broken.
OP is kill
OP is coal
electrician here
leave everything off and call an electrician
Well shit. I got the oven out. But the main power goes deep into the oven on one end and deep into the wall on the other end. Not so easy to unplug.
Dude, I told you to not touch that cable and yet you are still fucking around with it. Unbelievable!
Did your parents drop you on the head as a baby?
pic related
t.non-english electrician
sounds really like bad work
kinda worried about you lol
This. Don't fuck with electricity if you don't understand it
This would actually be fun if it weren't Friday night and the rest of my kitchen didn't depend on it. It's a lot like opening up and building your PC. I've been disassembling the oven to try to get to the part where I could just unplug the fucking thing.
But so far both ends of the power are deeply walled into. Shit design. I'm still nowhere near getting the oven actually unplugged.
Officially confirmed retarded. Congrats.
your pc wont kill you
Maybe just turn off the breaker to your kitchen, and use an extension cord from another room in the house for the fridge, until you can call an electrician?
Seems like less effort than pulling all that shit out.
He won't do that. He has been told this already several times, but he is not listening. He is literally retarded
Can't easily unplug the cable as it goes to who knows where in the apartment. Same with the oven, not unpluggable easily.
Do you get off on calling people retards? Did you even read the thread? I have the kitchen turned off on the breaker level. Fridge/freezer are hard or impossible to move and replug to another area. The joys of a predesigned kitchen.
that's why in Canada one needs 9000 hours on job and school before they become an electrician
how old is your building?
i want to see pics
Extension cables are your friend, but go ahead and demolish your oven/kitchen.
t. non-english electrician
The power cable from the oven literally goes straight into a concrete wall. I guess that's the job safety of professional electricians, to know where it actually goes to.
Don't even tell him, his brain can't precess information that he doesn't want to hear/read.
pic related is op
Come over here and unplug my oven then, genius. I'll pay you. If you can do it without using a machete to cut the power cord.
Post your address.
electrician here
at this point its
tits or GTFO
Actual electrician here.
Your shit is fucked. Last place you want to get advice is /b. Call an electrician
Also, show tits
Grug here. Grug have no idea power of lightning. Grug pretty sure op is troll or soon death
OP here for one last time. Thanks for all the various opinions. I didn't manage to unplug the oven or get the rest of the kitchen to power back up. I'll just have to grin and bear it until the weekend is over. I've put the things back as they were, and same situation: the kitchen only gets power when the oven is ON.
There are weekend on-call electricians. If you are renting, call one and your landlord will have to pay. Electrical faults are dangerous.
If you owner occupy, tough it out princess
keep switches and power off
and eat cold food
Take the cover off the electrical panel and see if a rodent snuck in. Could be something between the wires.
Try popping the breakers out and in with the MAIN BREAKER OFF.
Then kick it on and try it
If that was happening then either the breaker would flip or something somewhere would be getting very fucken hot and likely making a bad smell.