Daily reminder: socialism has never been successful in the history of mankind

Yes it has.
America is socialist
Europe is socialist
Most of the world is socialist

Stop equating socialism and communism. They aren’t the same thing. Communism has haven worked. But neither has pure capitalism since neither have really been tried.

How isn’t it? Explain

We have too many people (especially actively unemployed) for a Norway or Sweden policy to work. That's like saying let's base or economy off Connecticut, everyone is rich there.

I know this will blow your mind typically we also suggest taxes get raised.

Daily reminder: Americans have no idea what "socialism" is in 90% of the developed world.

Socialism is a broad concept that encapsulates a lot of philosophies. So does capitalism. If you want to talk about the utopian perfect socialist state, that has never existed. Just like a purely market drive capitalist state has not existed. All economies are a mixture of the public and private ownership of production.

norway isn't part of the european union like switzerland.

I really hope someone is paying you to post these threads all day every day. At least then you'd actually be getting something out of this secret crush you seem to have on AOC.

"the republican party is the party of the people, the little man, the average joe, small america etc"

"can we raise the minimum wage at little? i'm not saying it has to actually account for inflation rates or anything, just enough to make it easier for everyone else?"

"No that's our money, shit jobs are worked by shit people who deserve shit pay, you had any talent you would be rich already. Now shut up and go back to work the Democrats are going to steal your freedom and make abortions mandatory if we're not careful."

"Are you sure we can't raise it a little?"

"Trust me, the Republic party is the party of the little man, the average joe, everything will be fine"

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Oy fuckwad you want socialism go to a socialist state. Fuck off and go beg for food in those countries you fucking traitor.

There is no place in this world that isn’t socialist to some degree

your daily sage is here

That is your excuse for socialism? Are you fucking retarded? Oh what let's read your previous post. Hmm looks double confirmed.

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are you the mustache dad from the meme lol?

>Mfw if a society fails
>"See this doesn't work use this!"
>It eventually fails
>"See this doesn't work use this!"
>The world ends tomorrow and only a small section of man kind on a space station is still alive
>"See this doesn't work use this!"

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>Social Security
sure kid

Yea, fuck taxation, and hospitals, and roads, and the fire department, and the police, and the... oh im gonna just let you fill in the blanks with socialist benefits in your life, despite clinging to outdated party titles.

This man is a national hero. He fought in 6 world wars and still had a true purpose. To make the greatest stock photo picture for IKEA to mass produce his greatness with the aid of capitalism. Someday I hope to be at least 1/10th of his greatness. No head back to your soy latte and power bottom ways because all I see is you a whiny asshole and clearly your transgender otherkin is rearing to shut you up with his rubber dick he bought from amazon. Head to Venezuela and let me know how the internet connection is there. I head they got a pretty sweet diet program there called the Maduro plan.

Daily reminder:
Republics havent been eitger but we keep trying to patch them up and blend them with socialism to string them along anyway.

Shove your reminder along with your head up your back porch portal. No one fucking cares what you have to say.

ya, except for pretty much all of Scandinavia.

>THAYT'S NOT SOSHLISM

ok, then why don't we adopt some of their economic and social policies

>WE CAYN'T DO THAT THAY'S SOSHLISM

OP said Socialism never worked.. Not socialist programs. Big difference. OP is right socialism has NEVER worked and is responsible for 40-100 million dead. Depending what figure you believe.

Socialist program are ok. The government doesn't run things well. If you believe the government can control your money better then you... then you would be in favor. I however do not.

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Socialist and is not socialism. Socialism is a form of government and AOC wants it. OP is right socialism has NEVER worked. Venezuela is the most faithful adaptation of socialism. you can early argue is covered the 10 key elements of the Marxist manifesto. yet again it is a complete and utter failure.

I will say socialism/communism works. most of us do it. its called your family. In a family I would say all of us are communist. As a form of government its a complete disaster. 40-100 million dead depending on what figure you use. how many more people must die before we think we may get it right?

Hallo,
Please tell me again how excellent your people are doing. I love hearing how your late stage capitalism is providing health and prosperity for alk your american people.
Hugs n kisses,
Denmark

US enjoys a lot of freedom. I can choose what I want to do with my money. I rather not have a 50% tax rate. I have good health so I care less about spending lots of money on healthcare, and rather put that into my family.

Denmark is a beautiful country but its not the US. you are tiny by comparison. your a mostly white, high taxing country. if you want to have that, then good for you be proud. I rather live in the US and have my freedoms here. We can all agree we live in some of the best countries in the world.

Also hate to break it to you but Denmark is a free market economy just like the US so we are both capitalist countries as well.

lol Denmark. Cute little country. How many people ya got? Arent you like the size of Tennessee? Plus dont you still have an Monarchy? So progressive. Such a bastion of leadership. Get fucked.

>socialism has never been successful in the history of mankind
Except for North Korea (despite the sanctions & isolation)
youtube.com/watch?v=kPhoOmpXEwY

And it never will since it's a extremely flawed ideology. Goes for all forms of socialism, even nationalsocialism.

lololololoool

This is why capitalism wins again.

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>facts=retard

You are what’s wrong with this country

And Capitalism kills 20 million a year, so how about that?

>Norway is socialist
>a few socialist style programs under capitalism
Not only are you wrong, but you're sub 70 IQ

Nice bait faggot

AOC shouldve just stayed a bartender. Green new deal sucks, more than 20000 lost jobs and billions of dollars gone. Plus she's not hot nor intelligent at all. Looks like a human horse hybrid to me

Because it has never been attempted. The failures are literally all statism by definition.

/thread

Aren't they capitalist and authoritarians?
As far as I understood there is an elite and group that ANYBODY can join, and I mean anybody as long as they earned it. They must score high scores in so many things when they are young, and there is an exam that if they get those scores they are accepted into said group the rest is fucked because is only a one chance thing.
So if they failed then is entirely their own fault.
Also heavy censorship so not socialism

>Venezuela is socialist.
Lolno. Venezuela is statist.

>Socialism is not the same thing as social programs
So only actual socialism, in its totality counts?
>Socialism is responsible for
Nothing since socialism has never existed as social programs are not the same thing as complete socialism by your own logic.

Ok, we'll all quit paying taxes. Then you can maintain your own road, hire your own police and fire protection and teach your own children. You up for that?

Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland...

I'm down to stop paying

Yes. Additionally, the primary services you described aren't paid for by the federal government in the US.

>OP is right socialism has NEVER worked
Sorry - I really don't understand then. What countries have been socialist then?

So you want to form a socialist country without a state? Interesting. When people begin voluntarily exchanging goods and services, are you going to use violence to stop them? Or are they free to choose to associate however they like?

Either you're an anarcho-capitalist, or you believe the violence should be used to get people to do whatever you want them to do. Typically, that's done in the form of the state.

Where do I sign up? Pay as needed basis... The services you list are for the most part not funded by the federal government.

Daily reminder: /pol/ genuinely believes they had anything to do with tipping the last election, and will not stop their daily race baiting, 'socialism bad' neckbeard-psyops faggotry posts until after the next election.

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China's tax rate is 3-45%. Not socialist. Even their market, which they claim is socialist, is just state capitalism.

Norway isn't socialist.

oh look dullard level thinking memes

Venezuela is about as close to communist/socialist as you can get without going full USSR. That said, it's easy to make a functioning communist state when you have plenty of oil reserves. But longevity is not something Communism can do.

>There is no place in this world that isn’t socialist to some degree
>government=socialism
Retards like you need to get off my board

Exactly,
So get off my board retard.

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>capitalism with socialist style aspects= socialism
Is school out for spring break?

>government programs = socialism

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Keep getting on your knees and licking those boots clean classcuck your doing a great job.

classcucking faggot scum

libertarian ideas were tried. The US grew faster and more wealthy than any country ever. Then the US embraced socialism, and the culture and society and government has been down hill ever since.

socialism is a great tribal government and has been used successfully throughout history.

Your board? Sorry, this is O U R board you bourgeoisie faggot, back to plebbit if you're going to bring highschool knowledge here

>Libertarianism was never tried
>Literally the majority of any developing country

Daily reminder that hurr durr durr hurr

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regardless of weather this is true or not i don't get why people keep saying that as if it was some definite proof it can't work it took many trails and error to get to the current system but in the end it ended up having a good amount of success what is so wrong about trying to improve it

нe зaбyдьтe oпyбликoвaть этo, y нac ecть квoтa нa этoй нeдeлe

>never heard of norway, sweden, or denmark

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big oof

>friendly reminder Sanders will be the next USC President

>never heard how they are being torn apart as a nation with crippling unsettable debt

>Anarcho-capitalism is the only option that is stateless
Objectively false.

If there is a state, there is neither communism nor socialism. Both are fundamentally stateless, as soon as a state is involved it is by definition not communism nor socialism. That is why I can say that definitively socialism and communism have never been attempted in the modern world. Bonus point: communism and socialism are both synonyms of one another. The differences are imaginary and invented by Lenin who misunderstood the principles of Engels and Marx.

>communism
>/ˈkɒmjʊnJz(ə)m/
>noun
>a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

>socialism
>/ˈsəʊʃəlJz(ə)m/
>noun
>a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

As already stated 'close to communist' is not communist spcoety. Socialist programs in a statist country are not socialist society.
>Functioning communist state
Contradiction in terms. Communism is fundamentally stateless. If there is a state in control it is not communist.

What does it matter wether you say state controlled or not, communist, fascist it makes no difference the party bosses rile and the indidual has np rights or freedom

>Marxism requires an interim state to consolidate power and dole it out as necessary, until the state can slowly wither away

AOC fan fiction porn.
pic related

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>what is lenin
You can't MAGICALLY make a massive shift in society with no controlling factor. If that's what you think communism is, then you are believing in actual magic.

Rule 34

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>What does it matter what it's called?
Because this thread is about how communism has failed. It cannot have failed without being attempted. It is of great importance that you correctly state what has failed, and authoritarian statism has failed A LOT. Communism hasn't.

>expecting a society to change without a central force

neither.does a pure capitalist society. never understood these posts, any successful economy mixes elements from most theories

Marxism was exactly NOT about that. Go read.

Because its the only defense for communism. If you illicit the no true scotsman fallacy, then suddenly you don't have to take responsibility for all the failings for attempted communist states.

>Marxism was anything other than theory and criticism of capitalism

>What is Lenin
A statist hiding behind the label of a socialist. Like the Kim family hiding behind the label of democracy as they maintain a dictatorship.

Nobody said magic was involved. Revolution is not magic. The world isn't at the correct point to attempt this kind of revolution yet, but when it does get there it WILL be bloody.

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>Imagining that a sufficiently motivated populace can't change society.

>Theories can never be put into practise.

So then, friend. Please tell me how a state would instate communism or socialism.

So go ahead and explain how it would happen.

>Theories on markets make up a government

are you talking about Amazon?

Nobody attempted communism. Nobody has attempted pure capitalism either. Neither can be said to have failed or succeeded. Capitalist nations drive inequalities that result in poverty-based deaths that far exceed the numbers of socialist or communist states that you all bitch about.

I'm not saying I think we need to be more x or y I'm just saying no successful economy is pure x or y there's countless examples of socialism/communism failing but people, specifically Americans, forgot what happened when we had a pure capitalist society. child labor, starvation, abuse all happened before the economy crashed and we were forced to eventually establish socialist policies. that isn't too say we've been perfect since but a hell of a lot better for sure

>How would a state kill a state
Wrong question. Only the PEOPLE can create a socialist or communist societies.

>Communism or socialism are forms of government.

State referring to a collection of people under a state power. How are they to implement communism?

>Implying marxism and communism are the same thing
>Implying socialism and communism are the same thing
>Implying marxism and socialism are the same thing
Do all pinkos just swap buzzwords like a fucking mad libs?

>that are based off economic structure

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>20 million under Mao alone
Kay

>United States in it's gilded age
okay

>Implying Marxism (a word invented by people to describe the social philosophy of Karl Marx) isn't the same thing as Communism (a word invented by Karl Marx to describe the social philosophy of Karl Marx)
By fucking God you are dumb.

Gotta love how many times you hear "it's not real communism" but can never explain how it SHOULD be done. I guess it's easy to be a political genius when you're dealing in fantasy.

>Under a state power
I really don't think you understand how fundamentally stateless the concept of Communism is.

>The term "communism" was first coined and defined in its modern definition by the French philosopher and writer Victor d'Hupay.
Yeah.

that's funny, I didn't realise there was collective ownership of the means of production in those countries.

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>A communist state will magically pop into existence.
Stop acting like a retard. If communism has never been attempted, how is one to attempt it in real terminology? It's not like a new people and landmass will randomly pop up.

what do you even mean by libertarianism? i'm pretty sure that's a political position and not defined a political or economic system. it would be pretty easy to argue that the early united states was a libertarian society compared to most countries now.

I think you mean communism...

well communism is a theoretical endstate rather than a set of actionable policies, all communist state were more attempts to make communism to a greater or lesser extent.

Dont try to reason with literal dotards who don't even know what socialism is

So communism has no actual basis in reality, on only deals with fantasy.

Daily reminder that you should hug a socialist today because they gave you:

- Weekends
- Voting despite not owning property
- Sick days
- Vacation days
- Worker's comp
- Lunch breaks
- Time-and-a-half OT

And a lot more.

Communism sucks and does not work. But adding some socialism to our capitalism is like adding peanut butter to chocolate. It makes a great thing into something amazing.

But please, keep listening to your rich bosses and parrot whatever they tell you. Everyone knows your supervisors only want what's best for you!

yeh basically, i mean there is no literal law of physics stopping it from existing but it's never been observed on a large scale in modern history.

Reminder that countries that appear to be socialist with successful health programs are actually capitalist and only appear to be socialist.

It's a mixed market, dingus. The world is complex. But I doubt you've ever been taught anything about political or economic theory.

If no country trying it is actually communism, and communism cannot be enacted rationally, then its pointless to discuss. It has the same merit that talking about fucking Disney politics.

>social polocies = socialism
no nigger, sure some socialists may have had meaningful impact on things like workers rights but socialism isn't some wishy washy thing that you can "have a bit of". if there isn't collective ownership of the means of production it isn't socialism.

And in what way does the communism of d'Hupay differ from that of Marx?

Seriously you idiots dont actually read books do you. Go and read it yourself Socialism and Communism are economic systems. Whole socialist can exist in the constraints of a government, Communism requires an anarchist society. Dont believe me..... GO READ MARX AND ENGELS YOURSELVES it says it repeatedly.

that's why things like democratic socialism and social democracy exist. jesus christ not everything is about achieving "communism", this terrifying authoritarian state you envision.

>Be scandinavian
>ITT people think scandinavian countries are socialist. Because socialism isn't communism etc.

They have socialist aspects, but aren't socialist. I live in one. Main difference between the two.

Communism: Working class owns everything and everybody is equal and earns the same (assuming that it doesn't fail).

Socialism: Government owns the means of production and people get their wages to live (assuming that it doesn't fail)

i mean it might be useful to discuss in a futurism sense for a post scarcity society but yeh it doesn't have much merit as a modern day political system. except for it's seeming efficacy in killing lots of people when it's implementation is attempted.

it works in theory and would work if you had a state of like 50 people

I do like our model, over most other models though.

democratic socialism is the big gay and it's spooky how many people are advocating for it while misunderstanding it. social democracy is pretty cool tho.

one exception Mao intentionally broke with doctrine and used the less educated peasants, this caused many down stream problem.

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>if there isn't collective ownership of the means of production it isn't socialism.
Afraid that's **communism**, mate. There is some public ownership under socialism, such as utilities, but private business still very much exists under socialism. It's just that wealthy fuckers taught you to conflate the two so it's easier to treat things that empower working class folks as scary and unworkable.

And you're completely wrong that you cannot pick parts of socialism. Does the gov't in your country pay for roads? Police? Fire dept? All that could be private businesses but are gov't owned. Are there still private owned shops in your country? Has your gov't descended into a communist nightmare?

No? There you go.

the killing people is always targeted and essentially ethnic or class genocide masked by revolution and equalization. it's people taking advantage of situations.
the ideology itself is not at fault.

Most low income people want socialism for a few dumb reasons.

>they don't want to work hard enough to get success
>they are lazy
>they blame their problems on other people

:^)

But I thought that wasn't actual communism. You need to make up your mind.

Pretty sure the definition of Marxism is seizing the means of production. Neomarxism allows the means of production to remain privatized at the penalty of 90%+ taxes/confiscating any profits etc.

no nigger, socialism requires public ownership of the means of production, it's literally one of the defining characteristics.
and policies may be socialistic, but they are not "socialism" socialism is a noun, not an adjective.

i mean you can say that sure, maybe not a causation and instead a correlation but if there is a strong correlation between a political ideology and shitloads of people dying then maybe you should be suspicious of people espousing said ideology,

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I don't waste time in studying the nitty gritty of ideologies that have no worth. Merely pointing out what the user before was asserting as truth was in fact, a moron.

thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

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You know what I find weird about AOC? No nudes. I don't mean leaks, I mean almost no fakes. There's even tons of fakes of Hilary. At least AOC is cute.. It's weird.

keep posting this garbage

during cohens testimony yesterday, AOC line of questioning has opened up the door to getting trumps tax returns. Meanwhile, trump was failing again in North Korea.

But seriously, keep posting that shit. cause AOC just started something huge.

someone sounds a bit
a n g e r y

Then why are there two terms -- socialism and communism -- when you say they're identical? It's almost like we need two terms because they aren't the same. Go figure.

Again, not saying there's no gov't ownership under socialism, but you're completely ignoring the point I already made: You live under **some** socialist policies and benefit from them without turning into some Marxist hellscape.

But I get why you're ignoring that. You've been trained to believe anything with the "socialism" tag is horrible even though you literally enjoy things like weekends and PTO thanks to socialism.

Who's a good boy? You are! Yes you are!

>socialism has never been successful in the history of mankind

wrong.

pic related

the Kalahari bushmen (and most other primitive tribes) live and survive in full-on communist societies - everybody shares everything, everybody works together for the good of the tribe, everything belongs to everybody/nothing belongs to anybody.

yes, they still live in mud huts and shit in the bushes, but you didn't specify "history of advanced/civilised mankind"

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>Continues using the term communist state rather than the appropriate communist society.
Revolution could destroy government and set itself up as a communist society. It would then be up to the people to collectively continue this, which they obviously would of it proved to be an effective system.

But will never know until and unless there is enough motivation to overthrow the system that allows people to feel like they have a chance to 'win' even as they are losing.

POTUS is out making shit happen while the neomarxists waste time and energy in the grip of TDS.

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Yeah shut the fuck up before I have trump deport you faggot

>socialism is communism

American education

>success

>not agreeing to relieve all sanctions on a dictator with nothing in return is failing
Man you guys sure flip flop on what you want with NK. At first, it's a disgrace that he calls him a great leader, now, you want NK to have no political ramifications for the shit they did.

The fuck. Socialism is a form of economy communism is when socialism seeps into government and people become slaves.

As someone already said earlier. No nation can be 100% capitalist of socialist. It just doesnt work.
But capitalism has a much more dangerous future in the whole grand scale of it all.

They're both shit so yeah they're basically the same you dumbass

>primitive tribes are "success" now
Aim low, user.

right
i never said communism and socialism are identical, they're not, at all. socialism refers to a specific historical phase of economic development, and it's not me saying there is collective ownership of the means of production, it's marx. if you want to be a pedantic asshole and argue against marx but for socialism then you do you, otherwise you should just use the recognised words for what you're describing, which is social democracy.

yes they're both shit but they're not even fucking close to the same.

Capitalism is doing absolutely stellar right now. What with the declining value of human labor and all. Capitalism is becoming “too efficient” and humans are going to continue to be needed less and less for the economy to function. The elite have to make a decision now: continue to let one or two into the upper middle class for every 1000 new poverty stricken peasants who get the dwindling table scraps, or start voluntarily taxing themselves/paying higher wages to grow and pacify disappearing middle class. If we keep on the former path, the guillotines are coming out.

>Arguing semantics
So you're saying, that an insurgency and overthrowing would have to be taken, and install a temp government. IE, still having to take it by force, IE, making a communist state.

>No worth
Which is an assertion you cannot make unless you know what it is, which you clearly don't.

>union rights workers = socialism
Nice try faggot, almost had people believing your fairy tales

Daily reminder that your talking about something different than she is.

Daily reminder that her views are more popular than yours are.

Daily reminder that she got elected on that platform despite how Yea Forumstards feel

Daily reminder that she's way hotter than anything you'll ever be able to fuck

Daily reminder a woman of color is better than you.

Then please, oh enlightened one. What -is- the difference?

>Doesn't even know who d'Hupay is
And you think that Marx came up with communism.

>So you're saying ... install temporary government
Nope. I never said that. You misidentified the process of a revolution as a temporary government. It isn't.

>Implying an overthrowing can be done without an interim government
Right, so you're dealing with fantasy again.

that's because it's only tried in brown/black countries.

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There isn't one in the method, the only difference is that d'Hupay was all about specifically a 'commune' which is where he got the word from.

Norway is a homogeneous white country.

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Russia, Hungary, Poland, etc are neither black nor brown countries.

i mean doesn't have to be a government, it can just be mob action with no organisation

>Reformation of communist ideals
>No difference in the method
Right. So you just googled who he was and what his deal was. So you do not know the differences.

>collectivism on a national scale with mob rule
Again. Fantasy.

Socialism and communism aren't the same things, as your picture implies.

Also, the teenagers like yourself with that "GIB ME FREE SHIT" post that you kids make every day is a non argument NEET was to devalidate something based on a complete lack of knowledge.

It's not free. We pay taxes. You guys are ingorant children.

Indepent businesses for starters. Can't do that in socialism

well no, the odds of anything coming from it without a hierarchy emerging is basically 0 but revolution it'self can happen without organisation

Until you hit 65 in the US and then BAM! We love socialized medicine and welfare. A whole generation of complete sociopathic assholes.

I've looked it up since he was mentioned. It's the same communism. Protip: he also didn't invent the word, it had been in use since the twelfth century.

So, by your own admission, a communist whatever you want to call it, cannot be achieved without a communist state, and authoritarianism.

Good point, well made

>I've looked it up
Uh huh. So you've done no research, but you're quick to try and shift the goalposts on someone who points out you're a fucking retard. You do not know what you're talking about again.

i think you've fallen afoul of the issue with conducting discourse on an anonymous platform, i wasn't the guy arguing with you about communism, i just decided to pedantically pick at a little error you had for fun.

>Can't reading comprehension
>Has no argument
>Lol I trol u
Mediocre.

like what? what the fuck has this idiot done? i mean fuck, he had two solid years of total gop control, he couldn't get a wall (had to wait till some tv bitch yelled at him, till he got off his fat ass), and he raised my, and everyone i knows taxes. but even with this tax increase, the us government debt still increased tremendously.

super secret plan to defeat isis in 30 days - none existent
the better, cheaper healthcare plan im gonna love - none existent
Mexico will pay for the wall - nope, the u.s. tax payer will, through an emergency declaration, cause the deal maker can't make a fucking deal
North Korea - accomplished denuclearization...oh wait, he didn't get shit done.
Has not released his tax returns - probably cause theirs crimes indicated in them, as per cohens testimony.

but yeah. keep telling me how much 'winning' this is. trumps a bankrupt, confidence man, fraud, traitor, beholden to putin. and his followers are useful idiots.

>Responds to trolling
Weak and predictable.

>admits he has no argument
>accuses the other of trolling
Yeah, I'm sure.

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>MeXiCo wIlL PaY FoR ThE WaLl - nOpE, tHe u.s. TaX PaYeR WiLl, ThRoUgH An eMeRgEnCy dEcLaRaTiOn, CaUsE ThE DeAl mAkEr cAn't mAkE A FuCkInG DeAl
>nOrTh kOrEa - aCcOmPlIsHeD DeNuClEaRiZaTiOn...oH WaIt, He dIdN'T GeT ShIt dOnE.
>HaS NoT ReLeAsEd hIs tAx rEtUrNs - pRoBaBlY CaUsE ThEiRs cRiMeS InDiCaTeD In tHeM, aS PeR CoHeNs tEsTiMoNy.

>bUt yEaH. kEeP TeLlInG Me hOw mUcH 'wInNiNg' ThIs iS. tRuMpS A BaNkRuPt, CoNfIdEnCe mAn, FrAuD, tRaItOr, BeHoLdEn tO PuTiN. aNd hIs fOlLoWeRs aRe uSeFuL IdIoTs.

Sound's like a typical liberal

Nobody ever made such an admission. Listen for a second.

The proletariat, as a whole, become dissatisfied with the establishment. They organise (this is not government) a revolution, in which they collectively oust anyone who does not agree to form a communist society. There is still no state involved in this process. There is no interim government. There is government, which is overthrown by the entire collective who thereafter form the nation, stateless.

>Point proven
I win. You are weak and predictable.

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I have to disagree with your thesis user. Socialism has been an enormous success for those corrupt bastards that profit from extracting wealth from net producers, and then 'failing miserably' to properly distribute it.

But, they're the only beneficiaries. Everyone else gets fucked.

Uh huh. So again. Fantasy.

You don't /thread your own post reddit-chan

imagine going thru the time to actually post this

yeahh I wonder why!

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>live under **some** socialist policies
Correct
>and benefit from them
Wrong

All socialist policies are shit and we should get rid of the ones that exist. Get your welfare and obongo phone somewhere else, nigger.

i mean i was right you can have a revolution by mob rule, it just didn't really matter.

>I win
I have never seen someone as pathetic to claim victory in an online user message board.

You are proving the OP's point faggot.

>still has no point

You have no privilege to talk to me, faggot.
Later.

care to challenge the statements? you can challenge the statements right. can't you?

tell me trump hasn't raised your taxes
tell me isis is defeated with a super secret plan
tell me North korea has de-nuclearized
tell me mexico is paying for the wall
tell me that the deal maker, made an awesome deal with the wall, and didn't just flat out fail.

tell me these things. show me these things.

you can't. hence why you turn to such inane arguments.

>swefag here.
>sweden is about to become a 3rd world country
>thank you socialistic assholes

>CaRe tO ChAlLeNgE ThE StAtEmEnTs? YoU CaN ChAlLeNgE ThE StAtEmEnTs rIgHt. CaN'T YoU?

>TeLl mE TrUmP HaSn't rAiSeD YoUr tAxEs
>tElL Me iSiS Is dEfEaTeD WiTh a sUpEr sEcReT PlAn
>tElL Me nOrTh kOrEa hAs dE-NuClEaRiZeD
>TeLl mE MeXiCo iS PaYiNg fOr tHe wAlL
>TeLl mE ThAt tHe dEaL MaKeR, mAdE An aWeSoMe dEaL WiTh tHe wAlL, aNd dIdN'T JuSt fLaT OuT FaIl.

>tElL Me tHeSe tHiNgS. sHoW Me tHeSe tHiNgS.

>YoU CaN'T. hEnCe wHy yOu tUrN To sUcH InAnE ArGuMeNtS.

I don't challenge morons. Don't make me laugh.

>Reformation of communist ideals
There were no communist ideals before d'Hupay. It seems he took a disparate word for collective ownership that had been used for hundreds of years and applied it discussion to a commune living by sharing ownership of ALL things produced in the commune, distributing them to those who needed them, and everyone giving as their abilities best suited.

I.e. the same as Marxism. Marx and Engels just made it popular.

Checked, but invoking SS as an example of Socialist success is maximum retardation. Globally, pensions, including SS, are over $70T underfunded.

Trillion.

Sow socialism, and reap the poverty.

Daily reminder: AOC ins't even socialist you retarded americunt

>taxation
>benefits of socialism

Checks out

Right, you just go with your feelings like every other Trump cultist.

yeh ofcourse i don't have a point, you're still responding to me though as you seem to be raring to "be right on the internet" picking a fight wherever you see, no matter how pointless, you just keep responding no matter how explicitly it is stated that it is nothing more than a provocation to get a rise out of you. you're quite simply a detestable creature, no wonder you don't understand communism.

Source?

It looks like something I'd be interested in.

Yeah, we all know she'd be considered far-right in communist yuropistan.

Just goes to show how much you cucked yuropoors fail at life.

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i take your silence on the issues as agreement on the issues.

she is a hypocrites like most leftist/liberals.

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>being this retarded

sure kid i take your silence on the issues as bait and retarded statements.
let's move on.

Taxes are lower than if the socialists have their way
Isis has been continually ass fucked
North Korea knows its place
Mexico is paying for all the criminals we’re deporting
The best deal is not being cheated by every country we deal with anymore

/thread

I can only imagine how many miles of dick this latina slut took in college

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How much meat had she eaten up until that point?

>hospitals aren't privately owned
drooling_brainlet.jpg

>still not knowing the difference
Let's not deal with hypotheticals.

>still not having a point

Even if you take an extremely high tax hike against the rich, upwards of 80-90% effective tax rate, you'll only get an additional 300 billion a year. That's not nearly enough for either socialized healthcare OR free secondary education. The numbers don't work when your country is larger than the continent of Europe.

the previous articulated points stand. refute them if you can.

you can't.

Will you now assert that you are correct about him inventing the word that has been found in writing dating back before he was born?

Your statement was incorrect. He didn't invent it. I have already admitted you were right that he used it before Marx, but I have skimmed through a translation of his "Projet de communauté philosophe" and the system of ownership he espouses is identical to that proposed by the Communist manifesto.

Not everyone reads like Trump.

I actually already do.

Live innawoods. Get on my level.

LOL parts of taiwan or HK are more economically free than any western region
kys

Wrong idiot. Everyone would be equally taxed, because under socialism you have wealth equality.

Also, nobody is saying 90%, you stupid capitalist fuck. Realistically, we'd tax everyone at 75%, and they'd benefit greatly.

So you wanna anarchy?

Good luck funding your socialism without jackbooted thugs stealing from productive people to feed lazy faggots.

>WiLl yOu nOw aSsErT ThAt yOu aRe cOrReCt aBoUt hIm iNvEnTiNg tHe wOrD ThAt hAs bEeN FoUnD In wRiTiNg dAtInG BaCk bEfOrE He wAs bOrN?

>YoUr sTaTeMeNt wAs iNcOrReCt. He dIdN'T InVeNt iT. i hAvE AlReAdY AdMiTtEd yOu wErE RiGhT ThAt hE UsEd iT BeFoRe mArX, bUt i hAvE SkImMeD ThRoUgH A TrAnSlAtIoN Of hIs "PrOjEt dE CoMmUnAuTé pHiLoSoPhE" aNd tHe sYsTeM Of oWnErShIp hE EsPoUsEs iS IdEnTiCaL To tHaT PrOpOsEd bY ThE CoMmUnIsT MaNiFeStO.

>NoT EvErYoNe rEaDs lIkE TrUmP.

You seem to read like an idiot.

>still responding

She probably had a few trains run on her

The elderly are the biggest hypocrites in the world. Can’t afford to live in your home area any more? Boo hoo move to where you can afford. Oh no my house of increasing value is becoming too difficult to pay taxes on! Should I sell and move to a more affordable area? Nah, we’ll just get the government to bail us out with locked tax rates keeping us glued to houses we shouldn’t afford keeping supply low and demand high. Win win for us old fucks and our “investment!” Your degree isn’t getting you good enough work? Lol should have gone into a more lucrative field. Oh no coal is dying! Should I learn a new trade? Nah let’s elect an orange man to bail us out! Medicare for all? I’m not paying to keep you alive you lazy slackers. But keep paying for my Medicare tho lol.

>Your statement was incorrect. He didn't invent it
So who did? If you mean to refute my point, you're going to need to give evidence.

your a fag
get lost

>Fantasy
No. Hypothetical situation that depends on a population frustrated enough about the system that lets so many think they can win falsely. That is unlikely given the power of propaganda, but not impossible the way you imply with your use of the emotive-language word 'fantasy'.

Not a point user. You're pissing in the wind.

>ThE ElDeRlY ArE ThE BiGgEsT HyPoCrItEs iN ThE WoRlD. cAn’t aFfOrD To lIvE In yOuR HoMe aReA AnY MoRe? BoO HoO MoVe tO WhErE YoU CaN AfFoRd. Oh nO My hOuSe oF InCrEaSiNg vAlUe iS BeCoMiNg tOo dIfFiCuLt tO PaY TaXeS On! ShOuLd i sElL AnD MoVe tO A MoRe aFfOrDaBlE ArEa? NaH, wE’Ll jUsT GeT ThE GoVeRnMeNt tO BaIl uS OuT WiTh lOcKeD TaX RaTeS KeEpInG Us gLuEd tO HoUsEs wE ShOuLdN’T AfFoRd kEePiNg sUpPlY LoW AnD DeMaNd hIgH. wIn wIn fOr uS OlD FuCkS AnD OuR “iNvEsTmEnT!” YoUr dEgReE IsN’T GeTtInG YoU GoOd eNoUgH WoRk? LoL ShOuLd hAvE GoNe iNtO A MoRe lUcRaTiVe fIeLd. Oh nO CoAl iS DyInG! sHoUlD I LeArN A NeW TrAdE? nAh lEt’s eLeCt aN OrAnGe mAn tO BaIl uS OuT! mEdIcArE FoR AlL? i’m nOt pAyInG To kEeP YoU AlIvE YoU LaZy sLaCkErS. bUt kEeP PaYiNg fOr mY MeDiCaRe tHo lOl.

keep crying baby

Let's compare the numbers of lives saved by Capitalism. All the vaccinations, increases in sanitation, and technology to use in education.

Socialism is at a constant net negative

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>Newfag enough to think this has ever been a hard and fast rule.

90% is literally the figure quoted for anyone who’s turning a profit through private business. If you think socialists want equality you’re ignorant. They just hate anyone richer than them.

n o u

>hypothetical situation where a disenfranchised class has the ability to overthrow an entire government and every other class of people but will not install an interim government
Pure fantasy.

Oh, /pol/ had plenty to do with it. They were farmed like fucking potatoes by Black Cube for memetic virulence of the GEOTUS memes and Mossad induced Trump Fever.

That shit was professionally crafted by some of the most potent propagandists the world has ever seen, and /pol/ was their rape baby.

the have a central figure head/president.

*You're
not "your" dipshit.

There isn't a difference in the shading philosophy of d'Hupay's commune and the communism of Marx

not a rule more of a faux pa

That's cute.

If Jonas Salk was a capitalist, he'd've been the first billionaire.. But instead he deliberately gave away the polio vaccine because some things are more important than getting rich.

Capitalism will never create a utopia. Things are getting worse and something's got to give.

She is such a dream boat!!!

nah. lets not compare the current tax state with your imagined tax state under others. cause, 1 is real, and the other is imaginary.

isis still exists. its not in your mind anymore, cause fox news doesnt put it there, cause theres a republican in office. once hes out, expect ISIS and US DEFICIT to be headlines again. shits like clockwork.

North Korea knows its place - and that is to secure and produce nuclear weapons.

Mexico is not paying for the wall, but somehow is, cause we're returning their criminals? the fuck kind of logic is that.

So the deal makers, deal, is to not make deals. I would think that a 'superb deal maker', would be superb at making deals. not making deals, is not a deal.

That's cute.
You must be retarded to be brainwashed by some gypsie.

Lowest tier bait I've ever seen.

The absolute effrontery of posting that taxation requisite to wealth redistribution could occur without the equivalent of state thuggery is literally proof of negative IQ

“Fuck you, I got mine!” Amirite?

>denmark
>succsessful and the happiest people

>NaH. lEtS NoT CoMpArE ThE CuRrEnT TaX StAtE WiTh yOuR ImAgInEd tAx sTaTe uNdEr oThErS. cAuSe, 1 Is rEaL, aNd tHe oThEr iS ImAgInArY.

>IsIs sTiLl eXiStS. iTs nOt iN YoUr mInD AnYmOrE, cAuSe fOx nEwS DoEsNt pUt iT ThErE, cAuSe tHeReS A RePuBlIcAn iN OfFiCe. OnCe hEs oUt, ExPeCt iSiS AnD Us dEfIcIt tO Be hEaDlInEs aGaIn. ShItS LiKe cLoCkWoRk.

>nOrTh kOrEa kNoWs iTs pLaCe - aNd tHaT Is tO SeCuRe aNd pRoDuCe nUcLeAr wEaPoNs.

>MeXiCo iS NoT PaYiNg fOr tHe wAlL, bUt sOmEhOw iS, cAuSe wE'Re rEtUrNiNg tHeIr cRiMiNaLs? ThE FuCk kInD Of lOgIc iS ThAt.

>So tHe dEaL MaKeRs, DeAl, Is tO NoT MaKe dEaLs. I WoUlD ThInK ThAt a 'SuPeRb dEaL MaKeR', WoUlD Be sUpErB At mAkInG DeAlS. nOt mAkInG DeAlS, iS NoT A DeAl.

Not an argument.

Wow you are a moron. Nobody would be allowed to get that rich. It would be illegal to have more than 1 million dollars, and if found out the wealth would be confiscated. You don't need that much money, when you are given what you need in life.

Daily reminder. She's not a socialist. You are allergic to the world social-

You have a democracy with socialistic solution and safety net in the most successful nations in the world. You dont replace capitalism with socialism. Rather implement solutions what fix the issues with capitalism, which might happen to align with socialistic solutions.

Stop being a blind conservative sheep and read into the meaning of different varieties. No one wants the socialistic regime of Venezuela in the US.

Np.

trump being a bitch in front of putin

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Completely ignores that the very definition of Socialism is a form of government.

user..I..

NM. It's futile.

>Even if you take an extremely high tax hike against the rich, upwards of 80-90% effective tax rate, you'll only get an additional 300 billion a year.
Cite sources

>That's not nearly enough for either socialized healthcare OR free secondary education.
Cite sources

and here is what an alpha male looks like

any questions?

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yuropistan is a socialist regime

Like most words, unattributed. But he was not the first to write the word, just the first to use it in its modern sense.

there you go OP, to quote that one girl "you people have worms in your brains"

Yeah I figure that’s about how her college years went

You seem to write like a troll.

You're incapable of an actual discussion. You're an ape pounding your chest at humans who are trying to have a conversation. You don't give a shit about the truth or what will build a better society, all you care about is your side winning.

Grow up. Please.

>Socialism is when the government does things
>Falling for this meme
The man has really got you pussies shook by this boogeyman.

I would bet the highlight of y’all’s day is reporting to the other college republicans about how you “triggered a libtard hard last night,” but I think it’s more probable that you’re not part of any kind of social club (online doesn’t count)

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Sucks to be poor, sorry. Your pipe dream is never going to happen here. If you think being a millionaire will ever be “made illegal” you’re literally the dumbest person on this board, which is saying something.

Totally checked you insufferable faggot.

I don't get any of those things, because I'm not a wagie. I am self-employed, and own myself.

The true reality that we are heavily propagandized to not realize is that we actually own ourselves, and fucktards with guns cannot make us do any god damn thing we refuse to.

We are actually in fucking charge, even if pieces of shit with guns and waterboards can kill us for not obeying their dictats.

Be smart enough to avoid the pieces of shit, and prosper. Fail, and evolution is proved.

Nope, very possible if the disenfranchised class of big enough and the owning class small enough.

Just because you don't think it will happen doesn't mean it's a fantasy. It's a very real possibility.

You Americans are evil and stupid as hell. Count your days, because your capitalist nightmare state won't be allowed to continue for ever.

I live in Germany, but I speak for all Europeans when I say we will support the inevitable Revolution in America. Bernie will be elected to start with and it all gets better from there. You can go fuck yourself.

Yes, the ideology is at fault because it cannot reckon the seizure of the state by criminals. It's just a ladder for psychopaths.

Based schnitzelbro

>Faux Pas
Ftfy. The first time /thread was used was in an argument about coding in 2005 and it was used by a guy who concluded his list with it. It might be a faux pas in your mind, but in my mind is a way to sign of saying, this is it, there's nothing left to say.

How about assraping taxes that can only be avoided by paying living wages or offering partial employee ownership?

They don't have anything to share dumbass. It's impossible to not get your fair share of nothing at all.

You can't hoard nothing and have a plethora of it.

My.Fucking.Sides.

true socialism has never been tried in the history of mankind

and then north korea and china rape the world uncontested

Which definition? The word government doesn't appear in the dictionary definition of it.

Oh, yeah. Trump is really taking it to the zionists with Kushner as his Chief of Staff, five Goldman Sachs alumni in his cabinet, and sucking Bibi's clipped penor.

>Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them. Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity. There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them, with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.
Funny, government doesn't seem to be present in this definition.

Oh the irony when no form of the word 'your' appears in my comment whatsoever.

Not only are you so BTFO that your best argument is grammar nazi'ing, but you can't even reply to the right post.

Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.

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>public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity

These are all references to government you monkey.

You can thank socialism for the 40 hour workweek. As well as The fact that you don’t have to work on the factory floor with a 6 year old.

>You: Socialism is defined as a form of government!
>Me: here is the definition of socialism. Government is not there.
>You: posts the definition of government.
Yeah, government is present in the definitionof government. Government is defined as itself. Socialism is not defined as a system of government. As illustrated two posts ago. Stay stupid buddy.

See

No, they are talking about ownership, not governance. Governance is not mentioned. Nice try.

Don't make us come over there again. Just be satisfied with ruining europe for a third time.

Who gives a fuck if its socialism or capitalism or whatever. This is one of the dumbest semantics arguments in history.

What AOC or Bernie are pushing for are systems that are already in place in Western Europe and especially Scandinavian countries, which have higher quality of life and dont let their citizens get fucked over by corporations. So the argument that "durr AOC is dumb because socialism doesn't work" is so fucking disingenuous and stupid because it absolutely doesn't apply to the policies shes talking about.

>Most population is a slave
>Poor health conditions
>Democratically is a mess

Truly a successful country

This is what we call reductionism of problems, just because something work in Africa It does not mean it will work in China

Norway is rich as fuck, have a low cost of infrastructure and their main trade in the world is intelectual property, this is not the same as every area...

>Don´t have any idea of what is socialism

To have socialism everything must belong to the government, and most of private property being extinguished so no, Very few countries are socialist

>Socialism is when the governament run some things

noop, socialism is a very clear form of government...

Noop

If this is the case, Nazism is socialism and monarchy as well

>Venezuela is statist.

Which is the represantiton of the people

My god leftards are hard to talk to, I am done.

My girlfriend owns the hoodie version of that and takes great joy wearing it in public to make faglords like you uncomfortable.

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To paraphrase the definition of a government, it is a community that decides how to allocate resources. If socialism doesn't meet that standard, then none of this discussion has any merit.

It doesn't. You're completely incapable of rational thought, and only able to parrot the lines your handlers teach you through patient repetition.

Why are so many poor people conservative when they can't even afford health insurance?

>Let me paraphrase and change the meaning of government.
No.
Government is the people making the decisions and the way they make them. Socialism is a decision they might make, not a form of decision making in and of itself

Socialism Fails Every Time!!!

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>
>We have too many people (especially actively unemployed) for a Norway or Sweden policy to work. That's like saying let's base or economy off Connecticut, everyone is rich there.

No we dont. This argument would hold weight if we had Norway or Sweden's economy. We have entire STATES that generate more wealth than either country. California by itself is the world's fifth largest economy. We'd have enough money to make these changes if we didn't let these corporations get tax breaks while paying employees peanuts.

Daily reminder, that all reasoning stands to fail because socialism comes from the hearts/gut feelings that half of that hunted mammoth belongs to that woman who hid behind the rock during the hunt/battle.

Yes that's what's happening. It's not that theres people working full time who still cant afford to eat or live somewhere without assistance.

In 50 years we went from one person being able to work and afford a house and sustain 3 other people to most people barely being able to afford a life by themselves while working.

Reminder: False equivalency is a fallacy that low IQ people fall for.